2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf ever there was a doubt about the tremendously powerful forces that Bernie is standing up to
just look at the mass media and how it is piling up on Bernie.... making BIG lies
about Bernie's intentions. "Bernie wants to raise your taxes." Saying things like,
"if Bernie looks like he is going to win, Joe Biden will jump back into the race."
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Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)
PatrickforO
(15,473 posts)quaint way of saying 'fuck you' to all of us who aren't billionaires.
But you know what?
The 'mainstream' media no longer controls the message.
We do.
Bernie won that town hall.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Sees through it at this point.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)person is willing to lead us. But, America doesn't have enough sense or integrity to elect a truly brilliant,
energetic, principled individual as Senator Sanders. How sad. How happy I would be if America were to prove me wrong and elect Bernie as the revolutionary new President!
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Running on raising taxes is a loser in the GE. Anybody remember Mondale?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Because you seem to not understand deductibles, out of network and co-insurance since you don't want to raise your taxes and actually lower your spending.
This happens all the time.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/10/surprise_out_of_network_hospital_bills_why_it_s_so_hard_for_states_to_protect.html
tecelote
(5,156 posts)shows Bernie only saying he will raise taxes and no context.
They wanted that soundbite and I'll bet you hear it everywhere today.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politics/democratic-town-hall-2016-live-updates/index.html#
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)year. All people need to do is go to Bernie's web site for the truth and facts.
The corrupt corporate owned MSM are criminals. They're blatantly lying to viewers.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
artislife
(9,497 posts)It isn't just the premiums, it is the whole fiasco of Out of Network and co -insurance and co-pays and denials.
It is a mess. You go in to have a baby and you must find out if everyone coming into the operating room is in network. This is a job. Crazy making, we need single payor.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Wife and I got HOSED with HUGE bills after her surgery cause not EVERYONE was 'in network' like the anasthesiologist and I think one other (person with their hand out there). Our max OOP didn't apply for those folks, and the coverage was way reduced ... even though we were told by the Doc that ordered the surgery ... 'insurance approved it and we're in their network'.
You LITERALLY DO need to find out ahead of time, if possible, when having like ANYTHING expensive done ... whether EVERYONE involved is in-network, and whether ALL PARTS of the procedure (or tests) are 'COVERED' (so you will only pay the 'co-insurance' %) and counts against your deductible and your yearly OOP.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)All the doctors in my town were on the one network. I think that if you went to big cities, there were probably private doctors on a different kind of payment system. I don't know. I had good doctors and could pick a new doctor every three months or so. There was no in and out of network. and when I traveled to a different country or the equivalent of a state, my insurance still covered me.
Our system is ridiculous. The bureaucracy for patients in our system is just a heavy burden, and it's there right when you don't have the energy to deal with such nonsense.
I prefer single payer non-profit insurance to our for-profit healthcare insurance.
Ino
(3,366 posts)Bernie kept saying there would be no premiums, but never mentioned no copays/deductibles/etc. That would be the icing on the cake, that would absolutely convince everyone. That needs to be made clear!
BainsBane
(57,771 posts)You should really familiarize yourself with his proposals.
glinda
(14,807 posts)My friends over the Pond and in Canada cannot believe what I pay. It is embarrassingly sad to even talk to them about it.
BainsBane
(57,771 posts)Unfortunately he hasn't shown in a serious or consistent way what the costs would be while the system is being implemented. Also figures demonstrating single payer costs in other countries are not the same as what it would cost here.
He also has proposed new taxes to cover college education and child leave. The assertion that anyone who has paid attention to that is a liar or a corporate stooge doesn't help his candidacy, at least not among informed voters.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That's simply because with single-payer we will eliminate paying for the big profits of for profit-making insurance companies and big, big salaries for the CEOs of those companies.
Look at Yahoo Finance to figure out what the companies like United Health, etc. are making. That's money out of the pockets of sick people into theirs.
And then there are the unnecessary and duplicative administrative costs that we incur because we have so many different healthcare for-profit companies.
As for taxes on Wall Street to pay for free tuition in state colleges and universities, that's money that the students pay one way or the other. Taxing Wall Street to pay for that lessens the burden on our young people. It makes it possible for young people who are not from wealthy families to choose what they want to do with their degrees without worrying about how in the world they will repay their student loans. It means that young people can start families.
As it is now, we have young people graduating from college who will still be repaying their own student loans when it comes time to put their kids through college.
If you spread the pain of paying for college tuition among all taxpayers, it is much fairer than our current system. We need college-educated leaders in our country. Bernie is so right about college being the new high school. My grandfather went to high school. It was a choice for him way back at the turn of the 20th century. We expect people to know a lot more now when they enter the working world than we did in 1965 or even 1975. Bernie is talking about the next logical step in education.
As for taxes for family leave. Check it out. We are the only developed country, in fact almost the only country that does not have paid family leave.
We need to reduce the sums we pay for our military, for defense. That is also part of Bernie's plan. He does not talk about it a lot, but he has mentioned it. I suppose it is a daring and maybe even dangerous thing to suggest cutting the corruption and waste out of the military, but if we do that, the taxes we now pay will stretch a lot further than they do.
We have military bases all over the world. Surely we don't need, in this day and age of the internet, quite so many. And surely we do need to have much more flexible forces. We need to figure out a way to get our military into areas like Benghazi very quickly. We have bases everywhere but were not ready to go in to protect our consulate. That is not Obama's or Hillary's fault but is rather indicative of our need to update and consolidate our military while making it more efficient and responsive to crises. I think Bernie can do that. The fact that he is not financially beholden to big corporations will mean that he can put a team together to review our military spending and make good changes. That will free a lot of tax money for other purposes like infrastructure improvements.
I think Bernie will accomplish far more than anyone else would with the money we are now paying in taxes. He lives fairly frugally and will run an efficient government on less money. That's his character.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Front end costs, as in the taxes you pay, versus backend costs, as in the insurance premiums, deductibles, copays, etc. for most people, the minor front end increase (taxes) they would pay are much much lower than the backend costs they are already spending year after year.
Either pay a little more now or pay a lot more later for your medical expenses. The beauty of it is that single payer will have enormous negotiating power to lower overall medical costs for everyone...much more negotiating power than any insurance company has today. Even more than the current version of Medicare.
BainsBane
(57,771 posts)And what the costs will be during the transition. His recently released plan doesn't do that. His own numbers are inconsistent, even on the summary page.
Even so, he does say it will involve a tax increase, as does his proposal for "free" college and the child leave bill he supports.
Rather than insisting anyone who looks at his plan is a liar, you could just admit he proposes raising taxes and explain why.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Why him and no other?
How do you demonstrate how badly we have been getting ripped off for decades until you stop it and calculate backwards based on the savings of the first two years (one year to implement, and one year to stabilize)?
Can Hillary demonstrate how she will curtail the shadow banks? The ones that couldn't exist until the Glass-Steagel act had been revoked by the DLC darling.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)signs for his Obamacare. That's now how these things work.
Hillary presents no dollar signs in her discussion of family leave. She does not even admit that you can't impose paying for family leave on employers. The government needs to do that.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They KNOW they're being screwed.
Young people are going to flood the polls in this election.
It's past time for the 21st century to begin.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)In a few weeks we are going to see the votes, and the nation is going to be amazed at the response for Bernie and his real deal. Just a few more days.