I'm in a bit of a somber mood today. The reason I support

[mmonk]

Bernie Sanders for president is that people in America struggling in their everyday lives shouldn't have to fight so hard just to be heard. Really, that's all I have to say. I hope you all have a great day.

[DanTex]

1. I support Clinton for the same reason. In the end, everyone here has the same goals.

The primary can get a little vitriolic, but we really are on the same side. Hope you have a good day too.

[Art_from_Ark]

2. Given all the crap you've been posting about Bernie

it's really hard to believe we're "on the same side".
Hell, one time I counted 5 OP's by you on the first page of GD Primaries that were all smears or bullshit complaints about Bernie.

Bernie represents the average American. Hillary doesn't.

[beam me up scottie]

3. ^^^THIS^^^

[Roland99]

26. + a brazillion

[Betty Karlson]

4. We are on the same side, even Clinton's supporters.

It's just Clinton and her DINO pals (like Debbie) who may be on the other side.

[DanTex]

6. I'm voting for the Dem candidate in November either way. You?

[Art_from_Ark]

7. It doesn't matter who I vote for in the GE

Arkansas in all likelihood will vote for the Republican. The state has NEVER voted for a Democratic ticket that didn't include at least one Southerner since the 1940s. My vote has never, ever come close to mattering in presidential elections. Even in 1968, the closest Arkansas presidential vote in my lifetime, but when I was too young to vote, the state went for George Freakin' Wallace by a wide margin, with Nixon coming in second.

I lived in Arkansas when Hillary was First Lady. My Democratic mentor when I was a teenager, my history teacher, was supremely pissed that Hillary started to meddle in the state's educational system. Between that time and now, the state has gone from true blue to deep red.

While a corporate lawyer at the Rose Law Firm, Hillary helped to overturn a ballot initiative by Little Rock voters that would have given them a break on their utility rates at a time when inflation was eating away the wages of working people.
If the ballot initiative had succeeded, my family would have likely been able to eventually benefit from it, since it likely would have spread statewide.

As a University of Arkansas student, I also worked on a temporary basis at a Walmart warehouse in its home office town when Hillary sat on the board. I commuted the 40-mile round trip from Fayetteville to Bentonville for a measly $18 gross a night, on an on-call basis. It was obvious by reading the notices in the break room that labor was having a lot of difficulties with management. That situation did not change during the time I was there.

Meanwhile, a lot of my liberal professors at the University of Arkansas were remarking that Hillary serving on the board of Wal-Mart was "the best of both worlds"--that is, "Hillary gets to rub shoulders with America's Richest Man, while Sam Walton has a nearly direct connection to the Governor". And although it has been said that Hillary worked to raise the salaries of women at Wal-Mart, a woman I knew who was working full-time in an intellectual capacity at corporate shortly after Hillary left was only puling in a lousy $15,000 a year.

Hillary also got donations from Arkansas' richest Republicans (Sam Walton, Jackson Stephens, Don Tyson, et al) to help finance her husband's 1992 presidential campaign, and has been cozy with Alice Walton ever since.

When she and Bill came back to Arkansas for a visit in August 1993, and I and about 75 other locals went to the Springdale airport to greet them, Bill dived into the crowd and started shaking everybody's hand, while Hillary was aloof.

And things that Hillary has done after leaving Arkansas, including plugging NAFTA and TPP as SoS and the President's wife, shilling for Bush's war against a defenseless Iraq asSenator from New York, and laughing about the death of a nation's leader as SoS, have really rubbed me the wrong way. And another straw on the proverbial camel's back was when Bill Clinton came back to Arkansas in 2010 to campaign for Blanche Lincoln versus a more liberal candidate in the Democratic Senate primary. Lincoln won the primary in a dubious run-off election, then went on to get her ass handed to her in the general election-- the first time an incumbent Democratic Senator from Arkansas had lost an election since Reconstruction.

So please, tell me why Hillary is such a great candidate.

[Fast Walker 52]

9. she has so much experience, dontcha know

unfortunately, a lot of that experience is doing crappy things.

[DanTex]

10. You don't think it's even slightly ironic that you accuse me of bashing Sanders, and then

proceed to write a multi-paragraph Hillary-bash?

And this is after not even answering my very simple question: will you vote for the Dem nominee?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. Hoping for a TOS?

[DanTex]

16. Huh? Why is this so complicated? I said we're all on the same side. Which we are.

I said I'm voting for the Dem nominee, because we all have the same goals.

How did this become controversial?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. Hillary supporters have been setting up Sanders supporters with that question.

[DanTex]

19. Not sure how "will you vote for the Dem nominee" could possibly be a set-up. Particularly in

a discussion about how we're all on the same side.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. It's a tactic....

A Hillary supporter finds a Bernie supporter and then demands to know if they will vote for Hillary in the general and if they say no than they get reported for a violation of the Terms Of Service of the website and are expelled.

There are several long time and very popular members who were ejected.

Some Hillary supporters are still grave dancing in their sig lines over one of them as if it was a major victory that they're proud of.

[DanTex]

30. I know that MannyG got PPRed because of that, but it didn't seem like it took much baiting.

Anyway, no, I'm not baiting, I just figured that, since my post was about how we're all ultimately on the same side, voting for the eventual nominee even if it isn't my or anyone else's first choice was a relevant question.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

32. In the future you should avoid the question altogether to avoid being accused of baiting....

Besides, it really isn't anyone's business who they actually vote for.

[SunSeeker]

82. Who you are voting for is a perfectly reasonable question--on this site.

If you aren't voting Dem, you shouldn't be on this site.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

92. Some have used the THREAT of withholding their vote in the hopes of dragging the party to the left..

It's as traditional as the VW Microbus with flowers on the side and the bong that hasn't had the water changed for so long it has polliwogs swimming in it.

[SunSeeker]

110. No self-respecting VW Microbus owner would let their bong water grow polliwogs.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

117. I met some that believed it would gain mystical powers....

I believed it was one of those primordial building blocks of protein experiments.

[A Simple Game]

47. We are all on the same side because we have the same goals?

I have to assume you aren't paying attention to the primary race.

Bernie wants to expand my Social Security, Hillary wants to "enhance" my Social Security. I don't like it when the Republicans want to "enhance" my Social Security, don't ask me to like it when Hillary wants to do it.

I want my wife, children, and grandchildren to have affordable health care, so does Bernie. Hillary wants to "work on" the ACA.

Hillary wanted to and still wants to kill people that don't look like us and alienate the survivors while wasting taxpayer money to do so. Bernie thought in the past and still thinks that is a bad idea. I agree with Bernie.

I could go on but you should get the idea from these examples. We are talking day and night on so many issues.

As for my vote? I will support the most liberal candidate in the general election.

[asuhornets]

56. You wrote:

"Hillary wanted to and still wants to kill people that don't look like us and alienate the survivors while wasting taxpayer money to do so." What tha?

[Ed Suspicious]

108. She wants to drop some bombs on some middle eastern moms, but NO boots on the ground!

[DanTex]

61. Same goals, just different ways to get there. It's fair to disagree about strategy.

Hillary, for example, wants universal healthcare by expanding ACA. Bernie wants to get there with single payer. Same goal, different road.

The main reason I support Hillary is because I think she is more electable, and the most important thing is to defeat the GOP to protect and expand on the progress we've made with Obama.

[Armstead]

57. Maybe because you often deliberately push the negative hot buttons of Sanders supporters

Branding people's sincerely held liberal/progressive goals as unicorns and socialist bullshit is not likely to make people feel warm and fuzzy about claims of unity.

(I know glass houses, but you asked a question.)

[litlbilly]

90. Because the people who post, Bernie is a commie, or he's gonna raise your taxes are not on our side

they are not on our side, period. Anyone who posts things like that are not progressive's, liberals, democrats, they are conservatives.

[DanTex]

91. Haven't seen any commie posts, and Bernie's the one who said he was gonna

raise taxes. Does that mean he's not on your side either?

[litlbilly]

93. Then you havent been paying attention.

[litlbilly]

94. Or is it that you just like poking sticks even though you know you are completely wrong

[Bubzer]

17. That was my impression as well...

[Health Wagon]

27. Your and my definition of "bash" is apparently different.

You call it "bash" I see facts.

Truth apparently hurts, doesn't it? You might want to seriously rethink your candidate.

[DanTex]

29. And vice versa. I post facts about Bernie, people don't like it, accuse me of stuff. Meh.

[Health Wagon]

33. Like what?

[DanTex]

34. For example, that he voted for gun industry immunity. That even liberal commentators like Krugman

who looked at his health plan in detail find it unworkable to the point of dishonesty.

[Health Wagon]

37. He voted for gun immunity for the manufacturers

because under federal law, the manufacturers are only to sell to FFL dealers. There is the exemption that if the gun is defective and they knew about it, the immunity goes away.

http://www.lanierlawfirm.com/law_firm_news/remington-rifle-lawsuit.htm
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/07/taurus_agrees_to_voluntary_rec.html

Two examples of gunmakers getting sued because of defects.

The parents of Jessica Ghawi got it wrong, they should be suing the people that sold James Holmes the arsenal. Wish they didn't get hit with a fine (which is the unfair part, in my opinion).

[druidity33]

69. yeah i never get an answer to that either...

when people use that criticism of Bernie and you point out how that law could have been implemented and what it meant... well, you get crickets. I mean, i can see the argument of putting gun manufacturers out of business through lawsuits, but at least be honest about it. And that would bring up cars... couldn't we just sue car companies out of business too?

[Art_from_Ark]

40. I'm telling you about my EXPERIENCES, directly and indirectly, with Hillary

Not innuendo, not bullshit from someone's blog, actual EXPERIENCES. As someone who was a very liberal resident of Arkansas during the Bill and Hillary years. And actual things that Hillary and her husband have done since then that have made me go from a Clinton supporter to someone who has become disgusted with that family.

[DanTex]

41. Anecdotes, yeah, I get it. I'm sure there are people in Vermont disappointed with Bernie.

I look at the big picture.

Again, it's ironic that you attack me for posting "crap" about Bernie, and then go on a long anti-Hillary tirade about why you are "disgusted" with her.

The whole point of my post is that we're all ultimately on the same side.

[mdbl]

80. I will feel better about Hillary

when she proves she's still on the same side. If she wins the primary, I guess we'll find out. Until then, i am going with Bernie because I trust he will prove truer to his words.

[mountain grammy]

49. It's unfortunate you see this as a Hillary-bash..

this is a telling of truth, not to bash Hillary, but to try to convince you that, maybe, just possibly, she is not the candidate our party needs. This is the kind of history that's convinced me to support Bernie Sanders. I supported Obama in 2008 because of Clinton's history, even knowing he was far less liberal than me, I trusted him to be one of us. Simple, I know, maybe delusional, but I've got to have a candidate who hasn't sold out to the 1%.

[DanTex]

60. It's equally unfortunate that that poster describes my factual posts about Bernie as "crap".

You can't really have it both ways.

[PatrynXX]

78. Will I vote for a Conservadem?

No. other than that take away what you will

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. Because she's got a new logo.

[classykaren]

25. Thank You

[Jarqui]

79. Thanks for that I learned a few things nt

[senz]

106. Thank you for sharing your memories, Art.

Most of us don't know anything about the Clintons from that time, so your first-hand experience is interesting and valuable. I've long suspected she lacks empathy for others, even though she tries to fake it, and that could explain some of the behaviors you observed.

I appreciate your sharing.

[Android3.14]

11. Just wanted to leave my sig line here

[DanTex]

12. It is a very clever sig line. And the post too. Clever!

[rhett o rick]

74. Are you guys keeping a list of those that answer no? There will be a lot of people

that have come out to participate because of the chance for an honest politician and if Clinton should win the nomination, they will be very disappointed. And if you really want to ensure a Democrat in the WH, you should heed the warning. Otherwise, you will have no Ralph Nader to blame for your failure.

[PatrynXX]

77. I'm voting for whoever shares what I believe in

2 % of that is Hillary and 98 % is Bernie so.... if Bernie has to be written in thats how it's gotta be.

[ecstatic]

89. Looks like we're NOT all on the same page

Anyone who doesn't care about up to 4 Supreme Court nominations is not on the same side as I am.

Many Bernie supporters openly admit that they will assist the GOP in the Fall by not voting or doing a write in vote. They say their vote won't matter either way because their state is too red or very blue. Imagine if everyone took the same approach?

[Amimnoch]

13. Hey, I've posted some nasty crap about Senator Sanders as well.

There's certainly no shortage of nasty crap posted about the candidate I support (hell I could probably just post a photo of the home page and find an updated list right there). I've also been wrong and over the top a few times and admitted it right in thread, deleting the post('s) after taking a breath and realizing i wasn't helping anyone.

Do you not see the irony how your first paragraph complains about Ark's posts, then you jump right onto the last sentence and take a snipe as Hillary?

Look, I get why there's such a great love, and passion around Senator Sanders campaign. He's an incredible orator. He's definitely a master at connecting with those who support him. His message is strong and powerful. Hell, I'd be lying through my teeth if I said i wasn't jealous of that. I support Hillary, but I do admit, I'm not passionate about it. My heart doesn't light up with hope at the prospect of her being president. I would not stand out in the cold for an hour among thousands of other supporters to hear her speak.

But, just like you, I do believe that my candidate IS the one that will be the one to get us the most progress, and on a site dedicated to Democrats, I SHOULD be able to at least make that statement without my character being assassinated for doing so.. Hell, that's what Republicans or for.

[Bubzer]

23. I've seen a handfull of your posts, and disagreed with a number of them... but I agree with this one

I respect that you've taken ownership when you realized you were wrong. Big kudos for that... that's not easy...not at all. Particularly when there are many who'll pounce on you for it.

I definitely agree that character assassination is the go-to for many who disagree and, rather than have a substantive debate, choose scorched earth tactics.

One minor thing... and I kinda hate bringing it up in light of all the agreement I share with you on this post... but I feel the need to point out that your willingness to take the high road and claim whatever failings you may have, your level of maturity doesn't transfer to Ark through mentioning your actions and then mentioning Ark.

[Amimnoch]

66. I have decided to get out of the shit slinging, and follow our candidates lead into a more positive

approach.

Thank you for your kind words.

Come this summer there's going to be enough character assassination coming at whomever our candidate is. The garbage we dig up on our candidates and attacks we use against our candidates in this primary could come back to bite us in the arse. I'm very thankful our 3 candidates are more respectful to each other than we are

[Bubzer]

68. I have to admit, my own posts have been of lower caliber than I expect of myself in recent times.

Not something I'm exactly proud of. Some of it, I can rightly say I was baited into... or perhaps allowed myself to get baited into... some of it was just borne of my frustration. Either way, there's definitely been some pretty bad posts... and bad posts always feed more bad posts. In short: downward spirals suck (unless we're talking about the album, which I rather enjoyed).

Anyway, I think we very likely agree that the nomination can't come soon enough. With luck, DU will settle quickly after that.

[Amimnoch]

70. I couldn't agree more!

I know exactly what you mean about not feeling proud about some of the things I've posted.

I've been downright rude and obnoxious to people that, at the end of the day I probably agree with on 95% or more on ideological/political issues.

I hope so too!

[humbled_opinion]

42. Your own comment is an

indictment on why Hillary can't win a GE.... " I support Hillary, but I do admit, I'm not passionate about it." If you, a loyal supporter that is overlooking her multitude of flaws and baggage aren't passionate about supporting her, how in the world will she ever get enough support to win a GE? Haven't you paid attention to how hugely important this election is turning out to be? More to the point can you even for one minute imagine Trump in the White House, I was struck with fear one day at work when a die hard Teapublican said to me I don't care what Trump says or does he has my unconditional support, I asked why and his response is that I and all like minded Democrats never once stood up to stop Obama from usurping the Constitution with his lawless attacks on our Freedom, I couldn't eve respond to that because it sounded so insane to me, but that is their mainstream now. I feel bad that Hillary brings so much baggage and that she is not inspiring like Bernie is, see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017324155

for context.

So then I ask Hillary supporters why are you all so hard and fast against Bernie, his campaign is reaching critical mass, he is leading in all the early state polls, so to me it looks like there is only side in this debate that is being stubborn....

[Amimnoch]

65. I disagree.

Regardless if a candidate drums up passion or not is not an indicator (it certainly doesn't hurt, but it's not an actual indicator). The one that can drum up the most votes does. Either Hillary or Bernie has that capability in the GE.

I don't have passion for Hillary. I have admiration of her and everything she's gone through and done. I have a belief in her capability to govern well. I have faith that as president she will strive to give us continued progress that President Obama started. What's more, I am sure the methodology she'll use.

how in the world will she ever get enough support to win a GE?

Because she's been through the ringer and back. Every aspect of her life since she started being first lady has undergone extreme scrutiny, and she's still standing. Bernie is polling very well for the GE right now, but the GE has not started yet. Bernie has not been in the direct target of the Republicans yet. This month is the first time I've even see their side take a shot at him (worse they went after his wife). It was an awful hit piece, but really, that's JUST the beginning. In the primary both Hillary and Bernie have been very cordial with each other (other than a few very mild back door attacks). The Republicans will not Treat him with the same consideration.

Haven't you paid attention to how hugely important this election is turning out to be?

Agreed. Trump leading the whacko right is very concerning. Despite what the polls say, I think Hillary will do better against trump than Bernie will. Why?
Trump is drumming up the same kind of passion that Bernie is, just a very different platform.
Consider that, at the end of the day, Trump is only pulling ~33% of his party. The reason he's so far ahead is because the rest of the whacko's are competing for their same base.. Much of that base will not vote for trump in a General. Much of the Republican establishment is VERY anti-Trump. I'm not naive enough to believe they will support Hillary, but i can see a lot of them not coming out on election day to support Trump.

As to your last statement, I am not anti-Bernie. I am pro-Hillary, and come the General I will be Pro Democrat regardless of who that person is, and it would be a fair statement to say that I'll also be anti-Republican.

[humbled_opinion]

95. I too admire what she has accomplished

I am applying a risk management strategy in the primaries, I can fully support Bernie Sanders he speaks to my heart, I agree with him 100 percent and I have passion as well as admiration for his campaign. However, you cannot deny that she does terrible when it comes to the question of honesty.... I truly hoped that this email issue was behind her but it is very concerning and very risky to waste a vote on her and she winds up getting indicted. Better to galvanize all of our support behind Bernie Sanders now and not have to worry about the baggage.... The worst possible scenario in my mind is Hillary beating Bernie becoming the nominee and then getting indicted.... people that voted for her will have the results of that fiasco on their heads...

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. +1000000

[Cary]

35. I have never said anything negative about Bernie

And when I get trash talked I get this same low level I know you are but what am I crap.

I have no problem with Bernie Sanders but I am embarrassed to be associated with Bernie Sanders supporters. Own your own behavior. Look in the mirror instead of blaming others.

[redstateblues]

44. DanTex doesn't do smears or BS.

It never fails that about halfway through the thread when no one has a reasonable rebuttal to DanTex the responses devolve into personal attacks on Dan's character. Just in: Bernie is not perfect-He has vulnerabilities. If he makes it to the GE, it will make what has been said in the primary seem like slow pitch softball.

[840high]

83. +10

[humbled_opinion]

38. Of course we are on the same side

the real question is for those whom we support, whose side are they on? So I submit some factual proof of why I support the candidate that I support.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017324155

Now I showed you mine, show me yours...

[daybranch]

51. Not really, you are Hillary are on

the side of the oligarchy and we are fighting that oligarchy you support. We both have a common foe , republicans but they too are representing the same oligarchy to which Hillary's donors belong. Simple enough for you. I hope you do not find this vitriolic, but I am not on the side of Hillary and if I have to vote for her, I will be holding my nose.

[Cary]

52. I don't know you and I can only comment on my general experience here

The attacks on me are not about "sides." The attacks on me are people acting out their own insecurities and malice.

There is no good reason for the "sides" schtick. You always "hold your nose" when you vote. It isn't really about personalities, it's about policies. If you want more war and less taxes for billionaires, go with the Republicans. Perpetuate their smears and their disinformation. Insist on some mythological ideological purity, just like the radical right is doing. Scuttle our collective efforts against "conservatives."

[Fumesucker]

76. You can get the same results with Hillary, or at least a lot of us firmly believe that

Definitely the "more war" part and who the hell knows what Hillary is going to do to the people who made sure she didn't stay "dead broke" for more than a moment or two after leaving the White House.

[Cary]

84. Totally ridiculous

There is a huge difference, and no power in your defeatism.

[Fumesucker]

87. Like it or not, fair or not, true or not, a lot of people believe that

At this point it's getting late to change any perceptions, it is what it is and unfortunately in politics perception is reality.

[Cary]

88. There will be some disaffected people

It takes all kinds.

[Fumesucker]

118. When a candidate basically has to say "I am not a crook" it doesn't inspire confidence

[Cary]

120. Once again the mainstream will move forward,

Without you.

[DanTex]

62. Huh? I'm not on the side of any oligarchy.

[Cary]

63. Of course you aren't, DanTex

It's utterly ridiculous and profoundly stupid to accuse fellow Democrats of this nonsense, which is why those pushing this garbage against Democrats are marginal and will always be marginal.

[retrowire]

71. You really don't think that special interests and big money

have more say in Washington than we the people?

[Phlem]

98. Blinders bud.

Lookee how Bill's NAFTA turned out. A fucking huge pile if stinking crap but the TPP will be better?

I post only a few times a week anymore because of the obvious "Blinders" of the Hillary supporters. It's just not worth it anymore.

[retrowire]

102. yeah but damn me for having an undying faith in people. lol nt

[Phlem]

107. Hear that! lol indeed!

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. Ummmm...no we are NOT on the same side.

That's just a ludicrous thing to say.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Cary]

64. Then you will lose, period.

And you deserve to lose.

[rhett o rick]

73. I guess you think the wealthy are gods and deserve to win. Well a movement of the People has

begun and we intend to throw out those that are corrupted by the wealthy 1%. The growing wealth gap is literally killing Americans.

[Cary]

85. That's just uncalled for

Over the top.

[Phlem]

100. Over the top, please.

Did you see post #64 ?

You better tune down your hypocrisy, your right wing is showing.

[William769]

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[Cary]

86. Thanks.

Amazing.

[rhett o rick]

72. This is a class war and we certainly are not on the same side. H. Clinton is on the side of Goldman

Sachs. You can't deny that. She is in tight with the banksters and Wall Street. And none are on our side. They want our resources to make themselves richer.

Now she may honestly feel for us and maybe try to help us but not at the expense of the Wealthy 1%. If the poor get help it will come from the middle class and the working class. In fact, I bet the wealth gap will continue to grow if she gets the presidency.

Some of those that are comfortable with the way things are, with 16 million children living in poverty, with the US having the highest infant mortality rate of all modern nations, don't understand why we are so enthused by Sen Sanders. We see this as a life or death struggle for many Americans. H. Clinton and her personal $50,000,000 is on the wrong side of the class war.

[Phlem]

101. *sigh* and the "That's news to me" doesn't cut it anymore.

So obvious it's like the sun colliding with earth but, Huh? I support Oligarchs? Says the guy with "thirdway, fresh thinking" logo on his sig line.

It's just fucking stupid and not funny, tolerable, and just plain old ludacris anymore.

My step father never finished middle school, went straight into the military, retired Republican.

Told me he he could tell when a car's oil needs to be changed by tasting it, and still makes more sense than the Hillary supporters in DU.

Holy Fuck.

[rhett o rick]

103. If tomorrow she put on a crown, a robe and sat on a throne, her supporters would kneel.

They don't care one iota what she stands for. She is on the side of the American Aristocracy in this class war and her supporters don't care.

[Lorien]

114. It's just a sports match for them

They have money stashed away, they wave the flag for Team Blue, the official choice of the DLC. Never mind that their kids won't have a planet that can support the lives of 90% of extant species within 40 years; it's all about that TEAM WIN!

[rhett o rick]

121. I think it's authoritarianism.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/127710250

[Lorien]

130. That too!

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

[Phlem]

116. Amen Brotha.

Called out the third way bigtime after the midterms and haven't looked back ever since and her supporters are fake or are clinically ignorant.

I've actually lived with relatives that exhibit it (Stepfather) for years. What can say, didn't make through middle school and retired tech sergeant and fully Republican.

It does teach you how to reach deeper and maintain.

We have less than a year. We can do this!

Solidarity!

[Lorien]

113. ^^This

and so much more!

[whereisjustice]

105. hahahahahahahahahahahah - winner of today's most insincere post of the internets

[Lorien]

111. My goal isn't to funnel more money to the top. To frack our land until

all of our fresh water is toxic, to allow Monsanto to fill our shelves with toxic unlabeled GMO products, to allow Wall Street to cause another recession, to ruin student's lives with impossible debt burdens, to screw workers with a non-living wage, to allow big Pharma insiders to regulate our medications, to keep affordable healthcare out of the reach of millions of Americans, to start a war with Iran. We are NOT on the same side, we never were.

[closeupready]

112. No, I don't believe any of this.

[Tanuki]

5. Thanks, mmomk.

I hope your day gets better!

[Doctor_J]

8. It's difficult to not be discouraged these days

As the Princeton study showed, we have almost no say in what happens in the US. This campaign has made that quite clear. Keep your head up, soldier on.

[raouldukelives]

21. Shame ain't it? The louder corporations can scream, the less we can be heard.

There are those who add their wealth to the choir of consumption without conscience and thereby diminish whatever voice they may have had and there are those who take the idea of democracy, for all, seriously.

[NCTraveler]

24. Have a great day.

I would argue those voices are being heard by all three of out candidates. One of the best primaries on the issues I have seen. O'Malley has really nailed it with his platform, as has Clinton, and to a lesser extent, Sanders. All three are addressing the issues with respect to those hurting most from our system. It's a great time in history to be a Democrat.

[asjr]

43. We are very lucky in having three very intelligent

candidates running for office. The Republican candidates are all ready for the trash heap.

[restorefreedom]

46. now THAT is a nice post!

although i disagree about bernie

[merrily]

28. Amen is all I have to say to that. You have a great day, too.

[Duval]

31. That's one of the reasons I support Bernie! K&R

[CharlotteVale]

36. K&R. Me too.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. ...except for if they're black. Then, it's shut up and vote for Sanders regardless of what he says

or does...or does not say or do.

[Fawke Em]

59. Uh, no.

That's Hillary's position.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

96. Uh, YES! That's BOTH of them. That's both of them and their supporters telling black people...

...to shut up and vote for OUR candidate, or else???!

[Goblinmonger]

81. When has he acted against the interests of blacks?

Serious question. I don't get it. It seems to me like the stances that Sanders takes are much more in line with supporting the black community than Clinton's. I'd love to know why the black community is overwhelmingly supporting Clinton when the stances I see Sanders take on economics, health care, marijuana, Wall Street, and other things seem much more solid than Clinton.

I'm not trying to be the "shut up and vote for the white guy." Really. I'm trying to understand.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

97. He can start by stop denying racism and putting economic justice ABOVE racial justice. Race is

central and that's why he'll lose. And NO! I do not support Hillary Clinton, either.

I don't support either of them. They both turn me off.

[Qutzupalotl]

99. What do you like about O'Malley?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

128. Even though I like my former governor because he did some good things...

...on the RACE issue, I do not trust him. I do not trust Bernie Sanders. And I definitely do not trust Hillary Clinton.

I live in Maryland and I may end up skipping the presidential category altogether and just supporting the down ticket candidates, which among them, will be Donna Edwards.

[islandmkl]

126. maybe you need to see a broader picture of the 'justice'...

and determine which aspect of the very real 'inequality' hinders racial justice...if it was only about race there would be a lot fewer poor people of all colors....

Martin Luther King, Jr. knew it was/is about more than race...and it was when he started addressing national issues BEYOND race that he became a threat to the power structure:

“Now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means economic equality,” he told a rally of AFSCME sanitation workers in Memphis on March 18, 1968, barely two weeks before his death. “For we know now that it isn’t enough to integrate lunch counters. What does it profit a man to be able to eat at an integrated lunch counter if he doesn’t have enough money to buy a hamburger?”

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

127. You don't get to tell me what I need. I know what I need. I know the issues.

And I do not trust Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton on the race issue.

Deal with it.

I am not voting for Bernie Sanders.

Some of you white Sanders supporters have really turned off black voters, and you're turning more of us off each and every day you continue to lecture us on RACE.

YOU ARE NOT BLACK! You don't get to tell us what to do!

Slavery is OVER!!!

[Lorien]

115. Bernie has fought for civil rights for 50 years

Hillary fights to put more people into the for-profit prison industry that she takes huge donations from. Her "three strikes" rule has made quite the tidy profit for them!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

129. I don't give a flying fuck how many marches Bernie Sanders participates in.

I do not trust him when it comes to race.

And I certainly do not trust Hillary Clinton. I loathe the Clintons. Their policies have all but destroyed the black community.

I won't be voting for a presidential candidate. That is becoming clearer to me as time passes.

I will be skipping that voting category and voting only for down ticket candidates.

[Uncle Joe]

45. Kicked and recommended.

Peace to you, mmonk.

[restorefreedom]

48. hang tough, mmonk

as bernie would say, we all need to stand together

he started something. and no matter who wins the nom(i still think it will be bernie), the fuse he lit is NOT going out.

things are gonna change




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[NRaleighLiberal]

50. I've been in a politically somber mood since the first Bush election theft.

Probably goes back further than that...as in Reagan. Oh, I forgot Nixon.

[Cary]

53. It is the age old struggle of power vested either in the masses or in some elite group

The Kochs are making a power play. It's a pure power grab. Why people tolerate it is beyond me.

[farleftlib]

55. I support Bernie for the same reason

and after last night I think we are being heard - finally. Bernie is a great man and his candidacy has energized so many people and has already surpassed everyone's expectations. I truly think we're going to win. It won't be easy but nothing good ever is.

I hope you start feeling better very soon.

[Armstead]

58. Familiar with the feeling.

[Zorra]

67. "Fear not the Path of Truth for the lack of people walking on it" -Robert Francis Kennedy

Great sig line, mmonk, very appropriate for this thread.

[lovemydog]

104. I hear you mmonk.

I too want people in America struggling in their everyday lives to be heard. Haven't yet decided who I'm voting for (my state's primary is very late). I keep that in mind in all my voting. Hope you enjoy a good evening.

[Lorien]

109. We honestly can't survive four more years of "Business as usual"

The working people can't survive it, students can't survive it, and the planet certainly cannot survive it. This is a fight for our lives!

[Bad Dog]

119. Imagine Trump or Cruz with their finger on the button.

Anything is better than that. Vote for the Democratic candidate whoever that is.

[rhett o rick]

122. I hope when you say that when you say that any Democrat is better than a Republicon that

you recognize how we are being manipulated by the Oligarchy. We must vote against Citizens United and HRC.

[Bad Dog]

123. I'm not being manipulated by anyone.

Last Republican president gave us Iraq and the birth of IS along with a lot of other nasty things. Bill Clinton helped bring about peace in Northern Ireland, unlike any of his Republican or Democrat predecessors.

I don't have a vote, I'm not American, I'm British, but whenever you people elect a Republican it always bites us on the arse.

[rhett o rick]

124. May I remind you that a number of Democrats betrayed us (incl HRC) and acquiesced

to the worst president in history when the chips were down. The Oligarchy is selling their candidate by showing us how much worse it'd be if we elect a Republicon. The greed of the Oligarchy is literally killing Americans and others in the world.

We must fight to end the corruption in DC that includes many Democrats.

[Bad Dog]

125. And you want to acquiesce

By throwing your bottle out of the pram and either not voting or voting for the enemy if your candidate does not get in.


America was the only country in the World whose population actually supported the illegal war in Iraq, and your Media colluded with the deception. Despite an overwhelming majority of our population being against it we were still railroaded into it.

I don't want that to happen again.