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Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:44 AM

 

FLORIDA DEM'S MESSAGE TO IOWA, N.H.:IF YOU WANT OUR HLEP IN NOVEMBER, DON'T NOMINATE 'THIS MAN'

(Title used in the online version of the Tampa Bay TImes, www.tampabay.com)

Prominent Florida Democrats agree Hillary Clinton is stronger candidate than Bernie Sanders
(This is the establishment speaking here!)
By Adam C. Smith, Times Political Editor

Tuesday, January 26, 2016 6:00am

Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn (D) has a message for Democratic voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"It's okay to be right, but it's more important to win. And if you don't win, you can't govern,"

Buckhorn said when asked about the excitement Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is generating in the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire. "When all is said and done certainly in Florida Hillary has a much, much better chance of prevailing than Sen. Sanders."

The electoral math is simple: If Democrats win Florida's 29 electoral votes in November, they win the White House. Florida's most prominent Democrats overwhelmingly say Hillary Clinton stands a much better chance of carrying Florida than Sanders.

Like it or not, a self-described democratic socialist like Sanders is simply not a strong Florida candidate, said former chief financial officer Alex Sink (D).

"Absolutely not," said Sink, who recently hosted Clinton at a fundraising reception at her home east of Tampa. "Look at the history of the Democrats Floridians have elected: Bill Nelson's not going to go for a socialist Democrat. I'm not going for a socialist Democrat. Bernie's touching a nerve, and rightfully so, about income inequality. I totally agree with him that that's something this country has to address and fix, but I don't agree with his solutions."
Florida has long been viewed as Clinton country. She and husband Bill have deep roots dating back to when he was an obscure Arkansas governor successfully campaigning to win a state Democratic Party presidential straw poll in 1991. Today, virtually every prominent Democrat in the state is publicly backing Clinton or remaining officially neutral.

"The person the Republicans are the most scared of is Hillary, because she's going to be very tough, particularly in Florida, and specifically in Miami-Dade, which is hometown to a couple of the Republican candidates. I think she would win Miami-Dade against either (Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio)," said Miami congressional candidate Annette Taddeo, who was the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor in 2014. "And from a Florida Hispanic perspective, it's going to be very tough for somebody besides Hillary to get the Hispanic vote. She's known, and she clearly has a track record."

The pragmatic, Hillary-can-win argument is not new. Nor is it necessarily effective.
Even when Barack Obama was challenging Clinton for the Democratic nomination in 2008, supporters of the former senator and first lady argued that Clinton strong with Hispanic voters, seniors and Jewish voters was far better equipped to win Florida than Obama. Neither of them campaigned for Florida's 2008 Democratic primary, which was declared meaningless by the national party, but Clinton beat Obama by 17 percentage points.
He still wound up carrying Florida in two general elections.

"The more people get to know Bernie the better they like him," said Michael Briggs, a spokesman for the Sanders campaign.

The two most recent polls of Florida Democrats show Clinton leading Sanders by at least 36 percentage points.
In Iowa, at least one poll suggests Sanders is neck-and-neck with Clinton ahead of the caucuses on Monday. Sanders leads most polls in New Hampshire, which neighbors his home state and votes Feb. 9.

Winning those two states could give Sanders a big burst of momentum, but then he faces contests that appear stronger for Clinton: Nevada Feb. 20, a South Carolina primary Feb. 27, and on March 1 the so-called "SEC primary" in a dozen states, many of them in the south.
"It's possible that Bernie could win the first two the caucuses in Iowa and the primary in New Hampshire. But once you get into the flow of South Carolina, the SEC primary, and later on in mid March in the Florida primary, Hillary is going to win in Florida and she's going to win big," said Sen. Bill Nelson, a Clinton supporter who suggested "it would be difficult for Bernie to win" Florida in the general election.

"Despite all the partisan politics," agreed Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jack Seiler, "Florida is a moderate state, and Hillary is definitely less liberal than Bernie."

more at:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/prominent-florida-democrats-agree-hillary-clinton-is-stronger-candidate/2262744


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Reply FLORIDA DEM'S MESSAGE TO IOWA, N.H.:IF YOU WANT OUR HLEP IN NOVEMBER, DON'T NOMINATE 'THIS MAN' (Original post)
ViseGrip Jan 2016 OP
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #1
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #2
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #3
cali Jan 2016 #7
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #16
Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #4
Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #5
Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #6
SheenaR Jan 2016 #14
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #20
JTFrog Jan 2016 #24
berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #8
FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #9
left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #10
Oilwellian Jan 2016 #11
CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #12
Avalux Jan 2016 #13
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #15
SheilaT Jan 2016 #17
m-lekktor Jan 2016 #18
KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #35
JTFrog Jan 2016 #19
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #25
JTFrog Jan 2016 #26
jeff47 Jan 2016 #31
Mass Jan 2016 #21
jeff47 Jan 2016 #34
jillan Jan 2016 #22
JTFrog Jan 2016 #23
ViseGrip Jan 2016 #27
JTFrog Jan 2016 #28
JTFrog Jan 2016 #30
jeff47 Jan 2016 #32
Autumn Jan 2016 #29
Vinca Jan 2016 #33
KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #36
HockeyMom Jan 2016 #37
Matariki Jan 2016 #38
Matariki Jan 2016 #39
DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #40
bunnies Jan 2016 #41
restorefreedom Jan 2016 #42

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:45 AM

1. Biggest hit piece of the day!

 

Another print article in the Times states "Hillary got the easier non-policy questions".

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:46 AM

2. While voters who won't vote Hillary in a general election are called "traitors"....the party?

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:54 AM

3. The Florida democratic establishment is exposed as the traitors!

 

How awful! These are the DINO's we don't like anyway, that DWS and Alison Tant Richards party chair force on us!

If you don't know, the FLA Democratic Party Chair is the WIFE of Barry Richards! He worked for Bush vs. Gore in the 2000 mess of an appointed preznit. Look what happened to our country. THIS MAN'S WIFE IS THE PARTY LEADER IN FLA!


Bernie, like Kerry, must win without Fla. Just don't allow Ohio to steal it as in 2004!

Can someone on the Sanders campaign give a call to attorney Cliff Arnebeck or David Cobb? You need to be caught up on Karl Rove's tactics. Rove is still in the background wreaking shenanigans.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:59 AM

7. I think voters resent this kind of creepy coercion

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:28 PM

16. PS Mr. Richards was an attorney for GW Bush...not Gore!

 

Yes, the current dem chair's hubby!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:56 AM

4. Third Way has been so successful in Florida (not)

 

that I am surprised it took Debbie so much time to find a Florida mayor ready to attack Sanders with the (already long debunked) eligeability argument.

Maybe she should consult her pal Ross-Lehtinen (R) on how to procede with the ad hominem attacks? Ross ows her some free advice for saving a red seat, surely.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:57 AM

5. lol n/t

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:58 AM

6. I really don't think I fit in this party anymore.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:24 PM

14. Been thinking the same

And because of just joining the group, people think I am some political neophyte. But I have packed a lot of political experience into my 30+ years. The Democratic Party of this election is a moderate barely left of center outfit. They are not liberals anymore. I want a party that represents liberal minded people who are not satisfied with the status quo.

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Response to SheenaR (Reply #14)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:33 PM

20. ^^^THIS^^^

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:06 PM

8. I smell something foul... Like DWS

 

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:10 PM

9. I can smell DWS a thousand miles away

it is a rancid and corrupt odor.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:13 PM

10. We should all vote so as to please Floridians?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:15 PM

11. Florida is a nest of Third Way so-called Dems

How desperate of them.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:19 PM

12. That makes me look forward even more to voting for Bernie.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:20 PM

13. Resorting to blackmail? Sheesh. n/t

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Response to Avalux (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:27 PM

15. Yes, and what a way to ask for our help should it be Hillary. Look....

 

They know voters will stay home if treated this way! Florida dem party does this all of the time!

THE FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC PARTY FACILITATES REPUBLICANS AND DINO'S ALWAYS!


oh yes they do!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:29 PM

17. In early 2008 wasn't "everybody" saying that

 

it was simply not possible to elect a black man that year?

Just trying to remember.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:31 PM

18. wow. fuck THEM!

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Response to m-lekktor (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:02 PM

35. Ay- yup!.- nt

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:32 PM

19. Where exactly does it say: IF YOU WANT OUR HLEP IN NOVEMBER, DON'T NOMINATE 'THIS MAN'?

 

Oh right, it doesn't.



HLEP!!11!! I'm SERIES!!!111!!

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:42 PM

25. Oh it just says it in the LARGE FRONTPAGE OF THE ONLINE VERSION OF THE TIMES.

 

That's the title, everyone online is reading. That's the message the voters will read, right after the so called Town Hall, last ditch effort by DWS/HRC/DNC.

Fuck them. And if you can't read what this says...read who the players are here.

Buckhorn, the so called dem mayor of Tampa, stands with Rick Scott on many issues, even in pictures! The most hated corrupt Gov in the country. The Gov who took the 5th 75 times, after stealing 4 BILLION FROM MEDICARE. Buckhorn has politically aligned himself with him, cuz he wants to run for gov....but you know he has to right...to keep facilitating the Third Way here in Florida, that dems hate. that's why florida dem turnout is low.


The paper used this title online, cuz they get it too. These are the same losers controlling the party, re, Alex Sink herself. The nerve of that woman, after losing race after race, and being the chosen one without a primary by the party. FLORIDIANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS SHIT.
If it's not clear enough for you here in the story and title, then look up florida politics and you'll get it.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:43 PM

26. That's not what the link in your OP says.

 

Prominent Florida Democrats agree Hillary Clinton is stronger candidate than Bernie Sanders
Adam C. SmithAdam C. Smith, Times Political Editor


From the same link in your OP.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:56 PM

31. Actually, it does.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:35 PM

21. Misleading title... For the rest, it is just HRC's supporters pushing their candidate

As for Sink, how many times does she need to lose to stop being considered a relevant voice about who can win and lose elections in Florida.

As for who is going to lead in Florida in March, let's wait until Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina are out. This is what makes the difference usually.

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Response to Mass (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:02 PM

34. Title matches the paper's front page. (nt)

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:38 PM

22. Threatening Iowans on how to vote? This is insane! But I have to laugh....


"Despite all the partisan politics," agreed Fort Lauderdale Mayor Jack Seiler, "Florida is a moderate state, and Hillary is definitely less liberal than Bernie."

Yep - Exactly

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Response to jillan (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:39 PM

23. Nope.

 

The OP is pushing misleading bullshit.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:45 PM

27. Not pushing anything. Just pasted an article with the actual title online for thier paper.

 

Right....blame the OP. Look, this is why in the general election dems will stay home! Hillary will lose Florida! So blame the OP all you want and ignore what is really going on. You may think this works for Hillary, and it does, yes they support her. But sending a message to Iowa?
You need Bernie's votes in Florida in the end, right?

Ignore this at your own peril.

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:45 PM

28. Bullshit. n/t

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:48 PM

30. You pasted it? You copied and pasted "HLEP" from the online front page?

 

I call double bullshit.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:57 PM

32. OMG!!! A TYPO!! THAT COMPLETELY CHANGES THIS SCREENSHOT!!!



Boy, that typo surely changes the meaning from the front page of the paper's web site.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:47 PM

29. Hey, you want our help in Nov you better back the fuck off and let the process flow.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:58 PM

33. That's the first piece I've read that made me say "Go f*** yourself" out loud.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:04 PM

36. I muttered it under my breath (along with "global climate

 

change can't happen to a nicer group of people!"

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:28 PM

37. This Floridian is voting for Bernie

 

You gonna tell me I CAN'T as your own resident? If and when Hillary wins the Primary, then I will vote for her. Until then, NO!

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:43 PM

38. By Florida Dems, does this mean Wasserman-Schultz?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 01:44 PM

39. What does this even mean - "if you want our help in november"

are they going to vote for Trump, or Bloomberg, if Sanders wins the nomination?

All of Florida's Dems?

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:03 PM

40. Well you know the old political adage: As the Mayor of Tampa, Florida goes, so goes the nation.

 

Thanks for clearing it all up.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:59 PM

41. NH Dems message back: Fuck you. nt

 

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:02 PM

42. i smell more donations coming bernies way.....l

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