Among Sanders supporters are right wing operatives

[Thenewire]

Whose mission is not only to elect a republican president but completely overrun the senate and house of representatives with republicans. Sanders is a candidate whose ideas throughout US history has proven to be disastrous for the Democratic party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1972

Clinton is not directly attacking Sanders for saying he is a socialists or wants to legalize drugs, things that were fair game back then even during the Democratic primary. If anything, the Democratic party is being very accepting of Sanders and his rhetoric considering the devastating implications they can have if he is nominated. A democratic party candidate cannot win without the support of the establishment, without the support of those who currently have the power of wealth. I understand that legitimate Sanders supporters are trying to achieve good things and I respect those ideas but please keep in mind what happened during that presidential election and the parallels, hopefully we don't end up repeating history.

[Kelvin Mace]

1. Is fear and paranoia

all that HRC supporters have to offer?

[Thenewire]

7. You know, I really wouldn't care of O'Malley got the nomination instead

This isn't about fear or paranoia, this is about reality but you make of it what you will. It isn't just a presidential election, congress is also on the line. I'm also doing this for my own conscious if these terrible events were to repeat themselves I would at least have something to look back on.

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Congress is in the hands of the GOP

and unlikely to change hands unless we get a candidate with coat tails, and HRC does not have them. So, if HRC is that nominee and wins, she faces a GOP congress for four years.

[blue neen]

24. That may not be the case around the country.

This is from an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer about Pat Toomey's re-election bid:

"For all the fretting about Cruz and Trump, local Republicans took heart from a primary season that they argue has shown the party's energy and diversity and damaged Clinton."

"Some even dream of seeing Sanders, an avowed socialist, atop the Democratic ticket, which might cancel out any challenge posed by Cruz or Trump."

"I'd much rather run against Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton, absolutely," Gleason said."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20160126_Will_Trump_or_Cruz_sink_Toomey_re-election_bid_.html

[Kelvin Mace]

26. HRC damaged herself

with her own party. With HRC as the nominee, she will energize the loons on the right to turn out, while alienating a portion of her base, possibly enough to cost her the election. But even if she wins, she will galvanize the down-ballot races against her, thus control of Congress will remain in GOP hands. She also sets us up for a massive loss in 2020, just in time for the census.

[blue neen]

32. Um, that clearly is not what the article is saying.

It's really a pretty interesting article. It's worth taking the time to read the whole thing.

[Fawke Em]

50. We know those right wingers believe that, but they're living in the old world.

People want a populist.

Bernie is one.

Hillary is not.

Bernie will be more challenging for them. They just don't know it, yet.

[blue neen]

64. This is Pennsylvania. It is the old world!

[daleanime]

27. And an even redder congress....

after 2 years when republicans get to run against her again, that is of course assuming that she manages to win the general election. Which is not a given.

[Kelvin Mace]

61. Yep,

and going in with an economy teetering on the brink of another meltdown, she will get all the blame when it blows up. At least Bernie can say, "This is what I came to Washington to fix." HRC has cashed too many checks to make that claim. But she will tell them to "cut it out".

[daleanime]

62. Definitely......

same problem for Hillary if the economy tanks before the election.

[Skwmom]

21. They want to broaden the definition of VRW conspiracy.

Now that I think of it, they always use conspiracy as if it is a bad word EXCEPT when it comes to the VRWC.

But what the heck, special rules apply to them.

[Vogon_Glory]

29. Not Necessarily, But Look Around

Not necessarily, but look around. I don't remember nearly this much intra-party vitriol and hatred during the 2008 primary season.

I don't doubt one minute that there are GOP-Tea Party activists, Koch-roaches and other right-wing low-lives trying to knee-cap Democratic efforts to choose a winning candidate and halt GOP efforts to drag us back to 1893 and the worst of the Gilded Age.

[ms liberty]

35. Off topic I know

but you're not going to offer to entertain us with your poetry, are you?

[Vogon_Glory]

39. Yup, off-topic but

When asked by whackos
To produce free verse
To conform to their "librul" trope
I choose to refuse and say
"nope, no way, you dope."

[Kelvin Mace]

59. You must have been on a different DU

I remember things got real nasty with the PUMA crowd.

Seems about the same to me, though most juries I serve on involve fighting among the partisans.

[madokie]

76. You got that right

how do these people get through the gate anyway

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Got any names?

I didn't think so.

[neverforget]

10. Joe McCarthy did it better

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mccarthy-says-communists-are-in-state-department

Speaking before the Ohio County Women’s Republican Club in Wheeling, West Virginia, Senator McCarthy waved before his audience a piece of paper. According to the only published newspaper account of the speech, McCarthy said that, “I have here in my hand a list of 205 [State Department employees] that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department.” In the next few weeks, the number fluctuated wildly, with McCarthy stating at various times that there were 57, or 81, or 10 communists in the Department of State. In fact, McCarthy never produced any solid evidence that there was even one communist in the State Department.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. "They're playing my song!"

again.

[islandmkl]

3. talking mirror?...

like the one in Cinderella?

[cantbeserious]

4. Spreading Ever More FUD

eom

[VulgarPoet]

5. And yet we're the cranks. eom

[Doctor_J]

6. Clinton's donor list looks like a guest list for a Republican fundraiser

But thanks for sharing. and I love what's happened to the party since your beloved DLC took over.

[Mnpaul]

12. Just the other day

they were touting the support of Bush's former National Security Director.

[Thenewire]

16. I wouldn't mind the Democratic party becoming completely Socialist

But the election is this year. You cannot destroy and rebuild the supposed establishment in less than a year. The people with all the power, with the influence and money who support the democratic party right now will leave before they would support a candidate like Sanders. You should have started this 3 years ago after Obama got elected. This sudden interest to go against the establishment isn't grassroots, it is something that was sponsored by right wing extremists starting with the tea party and it has finally reached our side.

[RobertEarl]

23. WOW

So you think the heads of our party will desert the people if the people decide to want Bernie?

You claim: "The people with all the power, with the influence and money who support the democratic party right now will leave before they would support a candidate like Sanders."

You have such little faith in them, do you? Doesn't bode well for the leaders, does it? Who they gonna support? A republican?

I dunno, man, if you feel that way, what's the use?

[Fumesucker]

79. I have zero faith in them

I rather suspect the Democratic establishment will be running against Bernie if he wins the nomination, they'll try to be inconspicuous about it but hippos practicing parkour would be less obvious.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Yours is an extremely odd post.

It's like you don't actually understand the parameters of the political debate in this country, or that it's 2016 instead of 1972.

[Art_from_Ark]

67. They sure like to dredge up the Ghost of 1972, don't they?

As if Nixon's in the White House, Kissinger is Secretary of State, the Vietnam War is still going but Nixon and Kissinger will announce the end of American involvement just before the election, the White House Plumbers have burgled Democratic Headquarters, and the Democratic nominee has bungled his choice for a running mate

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Kind of explains why they're reliably unaware of the existence of the Millennials, too.

[Skwmom]

22. Exactly. And I read O'Malley's big backer also supported McCain and palled around with Palin.

Last edited Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Coale likes to help his friends. He has an eclectic set of them, both inside politics and out, some of whom he met through his wife, Fox News host Greta Van Susteren.

Since the mid-1990s, according to campaign finance records, Coale has donated more than $750,000 to political candidates and committees, most of them Democratic. But he has also palled around with Republican Sarah Palin. He attended Kim Kardashian’s wedding and represented Lisa Marie Presley in her divorce from Michael Jackson, back when Presley was affiliated with the Church of Scientology, where Coale and Van Susteren have been prominent members for years.

Coale supported his friend John McCain, a Republican, in the 2008 presidential election. But during the primaries, he was a major booster of Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom he also considers a friend.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hes-along-for-the-ride-with-martin-omalley/2015/04/12/fc70b548-d3ad-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html

Think about it.....

[Warren DeMontague]

78. Debbie Wasserman Schultz teamed up w/Sheldon Adelson to put sick people in prison for med. marijuana

So if we're looking into who in our party has noxious fucking right-wing asshats on the speed dial, maybe we can start there.

[RobertEarl]

8. Among H supporters are right wing operatives

Whose mission is not only to elect a republican president but completely overrun the senate and house of representatives with republicans, (Like DWS has done). Sanders is a candidate whose ideas throughout US history have proven to be good for the Democratic party.

He says pretty much the same as Obama but Sanders is the real deal.

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. Among Clinton supporters are right wing operatives

Sec. Kissinger: “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president.” According to Sec. Kissinger’s interview with NPR’s Scott Simon, regarding whether Sec. Kissinger thought Sec. Clinton would be a good president, “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president. But she’d put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” (NPR, 9/8/14)

Sec. Kissinger: “She’d (Sec. Clinton would) put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” According to Sec. Kissinger’s interview with NPR’s Scott Simon, regarding whether Sec. Kissinger thought Sec. Clinton would be a good president, “I know Hillary as a person. And as a personal friend, I would say yes, she’d be a good president. But she’d put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.” (NPR, 9/8/14)

“Republicans praised the prospect of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Sunday. Former Nixon and Ford Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said Sunday that Clinton would be an ‘outstanding’ selection. ‘She is a lady of great intelligence, demonstrated enormous determination and would be an outstanding appointment,’ Kissinger told the World Economic Forum’s India Economic Summit in New Delhi, according to Bloomberg News.” (CNN.com, 11/16/08)

“I think of Hillary with admiration and affection. . . When I call Mrs. Clinton ‘Hillary,’ I do that not so much to indicate familiarity but to use a name that the whole world uses. It shows to what extent she has succeeded in her people-to-people work.” – Henry Kissinger, Former National Security Adviser and Secretary of State for President Nixon and President Ford (Washington Post, 5/3/13)

http://correctrecord.org/praise-for-hillary-clinton/

[merrily]

48. Isn't that page a hoot? Huckabee, Kissinger, Condi, Jeb! Ridge and more!

I rest my case.

[99Forever]

11. Really?

Got any ACTUAL proof of your insulting accusation? If not, I highly recommend self deleting it immediately.

[R. P. McMurphy]

28. Maybe I'm reading too much into your reply . . ,

but is there an emphasis on "sock" as in puppet? The four-year hibernation seems odd to me.

[JonLeibowitz]

30. I believe it is a reference to boxing. n/t

[merrily]

53. Sock it to me was a tag line on Laugh In.

But, draw your own conclusions.

FYI. Calling someone a sock, mole, etc. in a post will probably get you an alert and maybe a hide.

[R. P. McMurphy]

55. Thanks for the info.

I wasn't aware and will be careful.

[merrily]

60. You're welcome. I knew you'd appreciate info about Laugh in.

If you haven't read the Terms of Service, you may want to do that. However, once a post is alerted on, 7 people jury or judge the post and a lot of subjectivity and interpretation occurs.

Until you feel acclimated, be mindful of personal insults. There is also a distinction sometimes made between saying "your post is rude" and saying "you're rude" or you're being rude. One is about the post, the others are about the poster.

[JeffHead]

14. Vote for Hillary or we're all doomed.

Really inspiring message you have there.

[beam me up scottie]

15. LMAO!

Oh man it's getting deep in here.

OOGA BOOGA!!! A VOTE FOR BERNIE WILL DOOM US ALL!!!

[merrily]

38. And I thought it was Pretend Sanders Hates Women's Rights Day.

Turns out, it's Opposite Day, which explains a lot here. Then again, DU seems to celebrate Opposite Day much more often than only 1 day out of 365 or 366.

[beam me up scottie]

44. It's always BOOGIE MAN day!

Bernie is the ultimate evil villain, he's one thing one day, another the next.

He's too far to the left! He's too far to the right! He's a right wing conspiracy, a left wing conspiracy, a Republican, a commie, a dangerous radical who's really just the establishment...he's every kind of boogie man you could ever want!

[merrily]

45. I keep forgetting how to celebrate that.

[beam me up scottie]

46. I usually light a few candles, put on some good music and open a bottle of wine.

[merrily]

51. Every day? Cool, but I think I'll just keep laughing. Works for me.

[leveymg]

17. HRC isn't a RW operative - she's the leading Neocon Rightist in the D Party.

The real operators are on Wall Street and rolling around in Bentleys in Saudi Arabia. She's their operative.

[VulgarPoet]

57. I said it before, I'll say it again

Between her voting record and her donors, she does a better job at being a neocon than most card carrying NRA members.

[JTFrog]

66. What an idiotic statement. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

19. I think there is one behind you.. LOOK OUT!!!

[Skwmom]

20. If I was a Republican, I would BEG you to run Clinton. It would be the gift that kept on giving.

[m-lekktor]

25. LOL! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

31. "or wants to legalize drugs"... did you just come through a time warp? FOUR STATES and counting

have legalized marijuana for adult recreational use. California- perhaps you've heard of it- with 34 Million voters, is likely to do so as well this November.



A majority of Americans support marijuana legalization, and something like half the states have legalized medical marijuana; all those state laws are in conflict with Federal law, which is why Sanders supports removing Marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, a perfectly reasonable and well-supported policy position.



So seriously, what the everloving fuck?

[senz]

34. Oh yeah, that's how FDR got elected to four terms ...

You wrote,

Sanders is a candidate whose ideas throughout US history has proven to be disastrous for the Democratic party.

[FrenchieCat]

54. The Great Depression and then WWII got FDR elected....

[senz]

58. That's what Republicans always say!

[farleftlib]

36. .

[merrily]

37. Among Hillary's supporters are right wingers. The New Deal was such a "disaster" for the Dem

Party that Democrats controlled the Oval Office for 20 consecutive years were seen to have controlled Congress for the better part of 40 or more consecutive years, ending in 1994, during the administration of one William Jefferson Clinton, a center right Democrat.

You need to give the McGovern meme a rest. It's exhausted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778825 (This ain't 1972.) (Please read both the OP and the replies.)

[jfern]

41. Bernie doesn't have a SuperPAC run by a right-winger, David Brock

[Autumn]

42. I'm sorry that your party puts the people who hold power and wealth over you.

A party should look out for the people.

A democratic party candidate cannot win without the support of the establishment, without the support of those who currently have the power of wealth.

[liberal_at_heart]

43. You're going straight to ignore. Bye.

[RobertEarl]

49. Not come back

I think the OP will think twice before posting such a preposterous OP again.

ETA: I went ahead and recc'd it so others can see this.

[Fawke Em]

47. Then why are all the right-wing attacks on single payer coming from the Hillary campaign?

Fail.

[restorefreedom]

68. ouch!

sometimes, the truth hurts

i hope they have a lot of advil over at camp clinton....

[AgingAmerican]

52. Cute conspiracy theory!

Meanwhile Hillary is pushing GOP policies.

[HassleCat]

56. Yes, reject the scary radicalism

"A democratic party candidate cannot win without the support of the establishment, without the support of those who currently have the power of wealth." Sounds like a Democratic Party candidate cannot win without abandoning Democratic ideals in favor of the interests of those who have the power of wealth. Speaking of disastrous for the Democratic Party, let's look at our 35 year descent into oblivion. We are now the minority party at all levels of government.

[dinkytron]

63. We must protect our precious bodily fluids.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. FUD ain't workin'. Keep tryin'.

Sooner or later one of those pieces of pasta is going to stick to the wall... I promise.

[Kalidurga]

70. Not if they keep forgetting to cook it first.

[Art_from_Ark]

75. They're throwing SOMETHING at the wall

but I don't think it's pasta

[McCamy Taylor]

71. Sanders is doing a great job.

[Fearless]

72. Bull shit.

[Betty Karlson]

73. Among Clinton supporters are right wing corporatists.

And those are on the record. The Sanders operatives are just a rumour, produced by fear bordering on McCarthy-esque paranoia. But then: that is what right wing corporatism begets.

[sammythecat]

74. 12 people recommended this slop

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Yeah

that's pretty fucked up.