2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat the Clintons Mean to Me (by Corey Robin)
This has everything to do with the primaries for me. It is a reminder of who Hillary Clinton is as much as it is a reminder of who Bill Clinton is. Hillary, after all, makes no bones about bragging about how her time as first lady was an important part of her experience and bragging about the influence she exerted there. And she did!
She lobbied aggressively for many things while she was there and so to pretend that those years do not reflect on her is disingenuous at best.
http://coreyrobin.com/2016/01/25/what-the-clintons-mean-to-me/
Maybe this is a generational thing, but this is what the Clintons will always mean to me: Sister Souljah, Ricky Ray Rector, welfare reform, and the crime bill. And beyondreally, behindall that, the desperate affirmation to win over white voters by declaring: We are not the Party of Jesse Jackson, We are not the Rainbow Coalition.
People dont seem to remember just how much the Clintons national ascendancy was premised upon the repudiation of black voters and black interestsa move that was both inspired and applauded by a small but influential group of Beltway journalists and party strategists, who believed this was the only path to taking back the White House from the Republicansbut for me, its vivid as yesterday. Maybe its because it happened at a formative period of my life, during my first years in graduate school. My roommate and closest friend throughout those years was Paul Frymer, whos now a professor of politics at Princeton University. Pauls dissertationwhich he began to write in the apartment we shared on Canner Street in New Haven, and which formed the basis for the now classic Uneasy Allianceswas born in part out of the tremendous frustration and anger many of us felt about the wrenching transformation the Clintons imposed upon the Democratic Party.
I was recently re-reading some of Pauls book, and it brought that whole sordid moment back in painful detail. Like the fact, according to an article by Andrew Hacker, which Paul cites, that for the first time in almost half a century, the partys [1992] platform made no mention of redressing racial injustice. (I re-read the platform: it does mention affirmative action and civil rights in passing, but its cursory.) Or the fact that in their 1992 book, Putting People First, Bill Clinton and Al Gore only mentioned race once. And that was to oppose the idea of racial quotas. Or the fact that their chapter on civil rights was mostly about people with disabilities.
Whats more, white people got the message: according to polls, white voters were more familiar with Clintons attack on Sister Souljah than they were with his economic plan. So did black people: though they voted for Clinton, their share of the total voter turnout fell by 20% from 1988, when they cast their ballots for Michael Dukakis (and accounted for 20% of the vote for him and 10% of total turnout), and 1992, when they cast their ballots for Clinton (and accounted for 15% of the vote for him and 8% of total turnout).
About Corey Robin
Corey Robin is a professor of political science at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center. He is the author of The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin and Fear: The History of a Political Idea. His articles have appeared in the London Review of Books, Harpers, The New York Times, The Nation, and the American Political Science Review.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)nt
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)i can't hear you

oasis
(53,689 posts)President William Jefferson Clinton.
Prosperity has a way of bringing about fond memories.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)a very few tears later
uponit7771
(93,532 posts).. jobs for that time
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)those employers fast food, janitorial, ect started to have to give their employees 'pork barrel' perks like paid holiday's and breaks , can't have that so Clinton provided them with near endless supply of nearly slave labor- women with children- they would still live in dire poverty but they'd be paying taxes for the privilege of doing so but in Bill's defense he did do poor women a favor- he rolled back the Hyde-White amendment that disallowed federal funds from being used to pay for abortions- gosh thank you Bill
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)well-informed or as insightful as you are.
Thank you for looking out for us by "reminding" us of things that we couldn't possibly know on our own. We can't imagine what we would do without your help.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I could have been talking about any voting block, such as "don't remind labor unions & workers"
about who championed and passed Job-killing NAFTA", or "don't remind ex-felons about who ginned
up the disastrous "War on Drugs", creating mass incarceration of millions who now cannot get jobs or even
vote in many states", or "don't remind Iraq War Vets and their families of who voted to go to war in Iraq".
Black voters are also an important voting block, a fact that I'm often "reminded" of by Hillary supporters, gloating
about how Blacks are leaning more towards supporting Hillary, which admittedly baffles me sometimes; but I
could just as easily have said the same about any the above voting blocks that I mentioned above, and probably
have at one time or another on DU.
The over-riding bottom line is that I deeply believe in the utter sanctity of each & every citizens' right
to come to their own conclusions politically and to vote their conscience on election day, regardless of their voting
block or the color of their skin.
Isn't it just human, the need to be reminded of stuff from time to time? it's a notoriously common foible that many,
including myself, have every so often, so I do feel saddened that my statement was taken as some kind of an insult or
put-down.
That was not intended at all.
BTW - I personally welcome being likewise 'reminded' about any of our candidate's past actions, or
positions on issues. I may not like it, but I certainly don't want to be shielded from such reminders, provided
they are true.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,568 posts)-declining crime rates
-peace and respect from the world
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Seems to me that there's a bit of hypocrisy at work if that's the case.
Sanders' emphasis on economics has been met with accusations that he doesn't care about POC (despite the evidence).
But when a criticism is similarly made of the Clintons, suddenly economics uber alles.
I love it!
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)When you are incarcerating everyone.
Respect from the world... Ok Donald.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)I've not read him but I've noted his book and I plan to read it. Thanks for posting.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Their whole approach to marketing Hillary as an ally of POC was, to my eyes, an attempted firewall safeguard from any left insurgent candidates who might emerge, as Sanders did.
Their past policies and actions are not particularly favorable to or even sensitive to the needs of POC. Bill's administration did plenty of harmful actions such as the ones mentioned in the OP, Hillary worked the white side of the race issue as a candidate against Obama in '08, many examples such as their "reform" of welfare.
Also there were a lot of confederate flag campaign buttons for Clinton/Gore, distributed (unclear by who) in some of the southern states. Maybe Jackson's candidacy was enough of a threat to them to use this tactic, or maybe, as the Clintons claim, it was the work of supporters not affiliated with the campaign, but knowing what I know of the Clintons and how they operate, I am skeptical of such a claim. I'd post images but what I find on the web is RW sites, anyway they're out there and easy to find if anyone wants to see them, entirely real and part of their campaign, whether they did it or not.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)The first time I paid any attention was the impeachment proceedings in the House. The sub-civilized self-serving behavior of the Rs made me furious, and until the 2007 campaign I'd given the Clintons a complete pass with my wishes for their happiness and prosperity.
But the behavior in the 2007 campaign pretty much ended that. I still somewhat excuse the hard-hearted essence I perceive in Hillary as a product of a bright frustrated person who had to endure a campaign of partisan abuse so massive that it has nothing in our history to legitimately compare it to. But that only goes so far and I can't overlook the seeming low-bar ethical standards her behavior displays or the damage to the nation those inadequate standards cause.
I still wish her and hers happiness in their future, but I beg the FSM that the country be blessed with the compassionate judgement and wise guidance of Bernie Sanders.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The 1994 crime bill, correct?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what were talking about is more and more capital punishment."
The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.
In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.
A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)a bill he disagreed with?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)As a freshman congressman his bill wouldn't have stood a chance so he chose to support women.
If he had voted against it y'all would be smearing him as a misogynist and a gun nut.
Oh, wait, Hillary supporters already do that - constantly.
He supported it because it was too important not to. And he continued to support it:
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Got it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)boston bean
(36,930 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts).. big time on that one.
HRC MoM, not so much... they're pragmatist...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)HUCK TODD: Well, you have been calling for political revolution. And there have been some critiques of it, though, that youre sort of narrow in where you call for revolution. Ta-Nehisi Coates, one of the more respected thinkers in the civil rights movement these days, wrote in The Atlantic, Why arent you for reparations because of slavery for African Americans when youre calling for economic justice on so many other levels? Why do you stop short on that issue?
BERNIE SANDERS: Well, for the same reason that Barack Obama has and the same reason I believe that Hillary Clinton has. And that is, it is absolutely wrong and unacceptable that we have so much poverty in this country and it is even worse in the African American community. That African American kids, between 17 and 20, who graduate high school, have unemployment rates and underemployment rates of 51 percent.
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/01/bernie-sanders-using-obama-as-human-shield-for-reparations-issue/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And only bad if you're Hillary or Obama?
Here's your straw man again:
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So back to this particular strawman, where did Bernie say "compromising is only for him"?
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That was one of the worst abuses of power Clinton ever committed.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)It sticks more in my craw because Bill was originally opposed to the DP but changed his stance to appear tough on crime. He personally attended the execution of a mentally disabled man to make it clear he meant business. I actually would be less offended by this if he had supported the DP all along. That was the epitome of sell-out politics.