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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:49 AM Jan 2016

What the Clintons Mean to Me (by Corey Robin)

This has everything to do with the primaries for me. It is a reminder of who Hillary Clinton is as much as it is a reminder of who Bill Clinton is. Hillary, after all, makes no bones about bragging about how her time as first lady was an important part of her experience and bragging about the influence she exerted there. And she did!

She lobbied aggressively for many things while she was there and so to pretend that those years do not reflect on her is disingenuous at best.

http://coreyrobin.com/2016/01/25/what-the-clintons-mean-to-me/

Maybe this is a generational thing, but this is what the Clintons will always mean to me: Sister Souljah, Ricky Ray Rector, welfare reform, and the crime bill. And beyond—really, behind—all that, the desperate affirmation to win over white voters by declaring: We are not the Party of Jesse Jackson, We are not the Rainbow Coalition.

People don’t seem to remember just how much the Clintons’ national ascendancy was premised upon the repudiation of black voters and black interests—a move that was both inspired and applauded by a small but influential group of Beltway journalists and party strategists, who believed this was the only path to taking back the White House from the Republicans—but for me, it’s vivid as yesterday. Maybe it’s because it happened at a formative period of my life, during my first years in graduate school. My roommate and closest friend throughout those years was Paul Frymer, who’s now a professor of politics at Princeton University. Paul’s dissertation—which he began to write in the apartment we shared on Canner Street in New Haven, and which formed the basis for the now classic Uneasy Alliances—was born in part out of the tremendous frustration and anger many of us felt about the wrenching transformation the Clintons imposed upon the Democratic Party.

I was recently re-reading some of Paul’s book, and it brought that whole sordid moment back in painful detail. Like the fact, according to an article by Andrew Hacker, which Paul cites, that “for the first time in almost half a century, the party’s [1992] platform made no mention of redressing racial injustice.” (I re-read the platform: it does mention affirmative action and civil rights in passing, but it’s cursory.) Or the fact that in their 1992 book, Putting People First, Bill Clinton and Al Gore only mentioned race once. And that was to oppose the idea of racial quotas. Or the fact that their chapter on civil rights was mostly about people with disabilities.

What’s more, white people got the message: according to polls, white voters were more familiar with Clinton’s attack on Sister Souljah than they were with his economic plan. So did black people: though they voted for Clinton, their share of the total voter turnout fell by 20% from 1988, when they cast their ballots for Michael Dukakis (and accounted for 20% of the vote for him and 10% of total turnout), and 1992, when they cast their ballots for Clinton (and accounted for 15% of the vote for him and 8% of total turnout).

About Corey Robin
Corey Robin is a professor of political science at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center. He is the author of The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin and Fear: The History of a Political Idea. His articles have appeared in the London Review of Books, Harper’s, The New York Times, The Nation, and the American Political Science Review.

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What the Clintons Mean to Me (by Corey Robin) (Original Post) Bonobo Jan 2016 OP
Zero to do with the primary and no link. nt onehandle Jan 2016 #1
I added the link and why it is indeed absolutely relevant to the Primaries. Thanks for the help! Bonobo Jan 2016 #2
la, la, la, la.... tk2kewl Jan 2016 #15
22 million new jobs created. That's what I remember about oasis Jan 2016 #3
22 million mostly in the very low wage service sector, with the remainder mostly in IT which vanishe azurnoir Jan 2016 #9
Wingers rejoinder, low wage is better than zero wage and there's no proof that they were low wage uponit7771 Jan 2016 #25
oh and more about those service sector jobs - they were the basis of welfare reform azurnoir Jan 2016 #10
Ssshhh .. We can't remind Black voters about this shit before SC Primary. n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #4
Because if you don't "remind" black voters of this, we won't remember because we're not as Empowerer Jan 2016 #17
Hey, I need to be reminded of things all the time, ask my GF. it's a human trait shared by many. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #24
wow... really?! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #26
Well, yeah, if it's the truth. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #31
23 million new jobs Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #5
Fascinating how now suddenly "Economics is everything" is in play! Bonobo Jan 2016 #7
Easy to have declining crime rates SheenaR Jan 2016 #27
The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin and Fear snagglepuss Jan 2016 #6
I rec'd this because I think there is some truth to it dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #8
I was overseas from before Clinton ran until 1995 kristopher Jan 2016 #11
Excellent post!!! TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #12
I always considered it insulting when they called Bill "the first black president". Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #13
Didn't Bernie vote for the same crime bill mentioned in the OP? Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #14
Only because it contained the Violence Against Women act and an assault weapons ban: beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #16
Why didn't he vote no and then fight to get a separate VAWA bill passed instead of going along with Empowerer Jan 2016 #18
Because it was better than NOTHING. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #20
Oh, you mean he COMPROMISED? Empowerer Jan 2016 #23
Is that news to you? Go figure. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #35
Yeap, Sanders throws stones from a glass house. Others can't be afforded pragmatism like he is uponit7771 Jan 2016 #29
Strawman/substance free snark = FAIL beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #33
He is so pure! boston bean Jan 2016 #19
Straw man/substance free snark = FAIL beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #21
Yeap, SBS "compromising" is good ... PBO or HRC!? BAAAAAAD!!! uponit7771 Jan 2016 #30
Said no one ever. Well except you of course. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #34
well, no one except Sanders... you know, especially on the subject of reparations.. gottah compromis uponit7771 Jan 2016 #36
Then you'll have no problem linking to the quote, right? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #37
Yeap, link inside uponit7771 Jan 2016 #38
Where is the part where Bernie said compromising was only good for him? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #39
You're the keen at strawmen, I said compromising was only for him not Sanders uponit7771 Jan 2016 #40
I get lots of practice because you post so many strawmen. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #41
Why yes, yes he did but he's afforded the benefit of nuance ... HRC!? Nah, she dont get none of that uponit7771 Jan 2016 #28
Ricky Ray Rector. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #22
That it was farleftlib Jan 2016 #32

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. I added the link and why it is indeed absolutely relevant to the Primaries. Thanks for the help!
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jan 2016

nt

oasis

(53,689 posts)
3. 22 million new jobs created. That's what I remember about
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jan 2016

President William Jefferson Clinton.

Prosperity has a way of bringing about fond memories.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. 22 million mostly in the very low wage service sector, with the remainder mostly in IT which vanishe
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:15 AM
Jan 2016

a very few tears later

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
25. Wingers rejoinder, low wage is better than zero wage and there's no proof that they were low wage
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

.. jobs for that time

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. oh and more about those service sector jobs - they were the basis of welfare reform
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:22 AM
Jan 2016

those employers fast food, janitorial, ect started to have to give their employees 'pork barrel' perks like paid holiday's and breaks , can't have that so Clinton provided them with near endless supply of nearly slave labor- women with children- they would still live in dire poverty but they'd be paying taxes for the privilege of doing so but in Bill's defense he did do poor women a favor- he rolled back the Hyde-White amendment that disallowed federal funds from being used to pay for abortions- gosh thank you Bill

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
17. Because if you don't "remind" black voters of this, we won't remember because we're not as
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jan 2016

well-informed or as insightful as you are.

Thank you for looking out for us by "reminding" us of things that we couldn't possibly know on our own. We can't imagine what we would do without your help.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
24. Hey, I need to be reminded of things all the time, ask my GF. it's a human trait shared by many.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

I could have been talking about any voting block, such as "don't remind labor unions & workers"
about who championed and passed Job-killing NAFTA", or "don't remind ex-felons about who ginned
up the disastrous "War on Drugs", creating mass incarceration of millions who now cannot get jobs or even
vote in many states", or "don't remind Iraq War Vets and their families of who voted to go to war in Iraq".

Black voters are also an important voting block, a fact that I'm often "reminded" of by Hillary supporters, gloating
about how Blacks are leaning more towards supporting Hillary, which admittedly baffles me sometimes; but I
could just as easily have said the same about any the above voting blocks that I mentioned above, and probably
have at one time or another on DU.

The over-riding bottom line is that I deeply believe in the utter sanctity of each & every citizens' right
to come to their own conclusions politically and to vote their conscience on election day, regardless of their voting
block or the color of their skin.

Isn't it just human, the need to be reminded of stuff from time to time? it's a notoriously common foible that many,
including myself, have every so often, so I do feel saddened that my statement was taken as some kind of an insult or
put-down. That was not intended at all.

BTW - I personally welcome being likewise 'reminded' about any of our candidate's past actions, or
positions on issues. I may not like it, but I certainly don't want to be shielded from such reminders, provided
they are true.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. Fascinating how now suddenly "Economics is everything" is in play!
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

Seems to me that there's a bit of hypocrisy at work if that's the case.

Sanders' emphasis on economics has been met with accusations that he doesn't care about POC (despite the evidence).

But when a criticism is similarly made of the Clintons, suddenly economics uber alles.

I love it!

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
27. Easy to have declining crime rates
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jan 2016

When you are incarcerating everyone.

Respect from the world... Ok Donald.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
6. The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin and Fear
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jan 2016

I've not read him but I've noted his book and I plan to read it. Thanks for posting.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
8. I rec'd this because I think there is some truth to it
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:49 AM
Jan 2016

Their whole approach to marketing Hillary as an ally of POC was, to my eyes, an attempted firewall safeguard from any left insurgent candidates who might emerge, as Sanders did.

Their past policies and actions are not particularly favorable to or even sensitive to the needs of POC. Bill's administration did plenty of harmful actions such as the ones mentioned in the OP, Hillary worked the white side of the race issue as a candidate against Obama in '08, many examples such as their "reform" of welfare.

Also there were a lot of confederate flag campaign buttons for Clinton/Gore, distributed (unclear by who) in some of the southern states. Maybe Jackson's candidacy was enough of a threat to them to use this tactic, or maybe, as the Clintons claim, it was the work of supporters not affiliated with the campaign, but knowing what I know of the Clintons and how they operate, I am skeptical of such a claim. I'd post images but what I find on the web is RW sites, anyway they're out there and easy to find if anyone wants to see them, entirely real and part of their campaign, whether they did it or not.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. I was overseas from before Clinton ran until 1995
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:32 AM
Jan 2016

The first time I paid any attention was the impeachment proceedings in the House. The sub-civilized self-serving behavior of the Rs made me furious, and until the 2007 campaign I'd given the Clintons a complete pass with my wishes for their happiness and prosperity.

But the behavior in the 2007 campaign pretty much ended that. I still somewhat excuse the hard-hearted essence I perceive in Hillary as a product of a bright frustrated person who had to endure a campaign of partisan abuse so massive that it has nothing in our history to legitimately compare it to. But that only goes so far and I can't overlook the seeming low-bar ethical standards her behavior displays or the damage to the nation those inadequate standards cause.

I still wish her and hers happiness in their future, but I beg the FSM that the country be blessed with the compassionate judgement and wise guidance of Bernie Sanders.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
14. Didn't Bernie vote for the same crime bill mentioned in the OP?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:45 AM
Jan 2016

The 1994 crime bill, correct?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Only because it contained the Violence Against Women act and an assault weapons ban:
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jan 2016
Sanders opposed the Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991 during his first year in the U.S. House of Representatives.

"All over the industrialized world now, countries are saying, ‘let us put an end to state murder, let us stop capital punishment’," Sanders said in a 1991 speech on the House floor. "But here what we’re talking about is more and more capital punishment."

The bill, which included provisions to authorize the death penalty as appropriate punishment for crimes involving the murder of a law enforcement officer, terrorism and drug trafficking, never reached the desk of President George H.W. Bush.

In 1994, however, Sanders voted in favor of the final version of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, a bill that expanded the federal death penalty. Sanders had voted for an amendment to the bill that would have replaced all federal death sentences with life in prison. Even though the amendment failed, Sanders still voted for the larger crime bill.

A spokesman for Sanders said he voted for the bill "because it included the Violence Against Women Act and the ban on certain assault weapons."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/02/viral-image/where-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-stand-/

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
18. Why didn't he vote no and then fight to get a separate VAWA bill passed instead of going along with
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jan 2016

a bill he disagreed with?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
20. Because it was better than NOTHING.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jan 2016

As a freshman congressman his bill wouldn't have stood a chance so he chose to support women.

If he had voted against it y'all would be smearing him as a misogynist and a gun nut.

Oh, wait, Hillary supporters already do that - constantly.

He supported it because it was too important not to. And he continued to support it:


uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
29. Yeap, Sanders throws stones from a glass house. Others can't be afforded pragmatism like he is
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jan 2016

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
36. well, no one except Sanders... you know, especially on the subject of reparations.. gottah compromis
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

.. big time on that one.

HRC MoM, not so much... they're pragmatist...

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
38. Yeap, link inside
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016
HUCK TODD: Well, you have been calling for political revolution. And there have been some critiques of it, though, that you’re sort of narrow in where you call for revolution. Ta-Nehisi Coates, one of the more respected thinkers in the civil rights movement these days, wrote in The Atlantic, “Why aren’t you for reparations because of slavery for African Americans when you’re calling for economic justice on so many other levels? Why do you stop short on that issue?”
BERNIE SANDERS: Well, for the same reason that Barack Obama has and the same reason I believe that Hillary Clinton has. And that is, it is absolutely wrong and unacceptable that we have so much poverty in this country and it is even worse in the African American community. That African American kids, between 17 and 20, who graduate high school, have unemployment rates and underemployment rates of 51 percent.


http://thedailybanter.com/2016/01/bernie-sanders-using-obama-as-human-shield-for-reparations-issue/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. Where is the part where Bernie said compromising was only good for him?
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jan 2016

And only bad if you're Hillary or Obama?

Here's your straw man again:

Yeap, SBS "compromising" is good ... PBO or HRC!? BAAAAAAD!!!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. I get lots of practice because you post so many strawmen.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

So back to this particular strawman, where did Bernie say "compromising is only for him"?

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
28. Why yes, yes he did but he's afforded the benefit of nuance ... HRC!? Nah, she dont get none of that
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jan 2016
 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
32. That it was
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

It sticks more in my craw because Bill was originally opposed to the DP but changed his stance to appear tough on crime. He personally attended the execution of a mentally disabled man to make it clear he meant business. I actually would be less offended by this if he had supported the DP all along. That was the epitome of sell-out politics.


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