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[Kalidurga]

1. LOL so now she is begging for debates

LOL this is too funny. How many events do you think Bernie should cancel so her inevitability can be accommodated for these new debates?

[FlatBaroque]

10. Projection

[Kalidurga]

15. But it is not the other way around

She didn't support more debates early on. And at this point I am sure her schedule is also pretty tight. Of course it's easier to get in and out of her events since 300 people are so much easier to accommodate and don't make as much traffic.

[CoffeeCat]

33. Laughable

Queen Hillary thought that she and DWS could limit the debates--thus preserving her inevitability and lessen the exposure for her opponents.

Now that she's up shit creek, she's looking for a paddle.

She wants more debates now.

So pathetic.

Her hubris has come back to bite her in the pantsuit.

She looks foolish.

[Trajan]

40. Your presentation of this story

Reeks of an ugly streak in your human soul ...

Whatever good I saw in you before has been replaced with this pitifully weak personal attack ...

All those years of goodness, wiped out with a careless, malevolent posting.

Stopbush? ... Thanks for all your previous work against George W. Bush, AND against the Iraq debacle ...

But now? ... You are so gone ... You do not exist in DU anymore - not from where I sit ...

Despicable ....byebye

[roguevalley]

43. given that DWS is in HRC's pocket and would allow her to continue to be in the other two

DNC debates if she does this, we know she wouldn't do the same for Sanders. DWS is a piece of work. She's the problem here, not Bernie protecting his place in the DNC's debates. If anyone wanted to know for sure if DWS is a HRC shill, this is it.

[Robbins]

2. tell DWS to sanction them

bernie misses out if he agrees to them and clinton pulls out and then DWS bars bernie from sanctionedd ebates.

funny how now clinton wants more.

[Awknid]

30. This is what I think Bernie is thinking

Why trust DWS?

[SheenaR]

3. What's there to think

Everyone, regardless of candidate support, knows this is not true. If it were sanctioned, he would do as many debates as allowed. You don't get out a revolutionary message by avoiding debates. I applaud him following the rules of the PARTY.

[still_one]

4. I don't care whether their are more debates or not. People know already where the

candidates stand on the issues

[NurseJackie]

5. I think it's pretty obvious that Bernie's fans will be in agreement with his decision. But...

... what will be interesting to watch will be how they justify and explain his decision.

[stopbush]

13. Clinton wins this round by saying she's open to the idea

while anti-establishment Bernie clings to the establishment rules to justify not adding debates.

Clinton only loses if the DNC authorizes more debates and she then says no. In the meanwhile, the politics are on her side.

[bunnies]

45. I can say Im open to being turned into a squirrel... because I know it has NO chance of happening.

See how easy that is?

[restorefreedom]

14. hi jackie. please see #11 for my take. nt

[Avalux]

7. WOW MSNBC - are fucking kidding me??

[Snotcicles]

32. When I cut the cord with Comcast, they asked me why. I told them because of their (MSNBC)

bias against Bernie Sanders and I told the nice lady to make sure my remarks were quoted in my file.
A couple days later a sales rep called to try and get me back. I told him to look at my file and if they corrected my concern he could get back with me. I haven't heard back.

[HassleCat]

8. We probably don't like it.

For the same reason Clinton supporters were dead set against more debates when Clinton was the presumptive favorite, and had nothing to gain from more debates. Now Sanders is catching up, and things are going his way, so more debates don't help him at all. Clinton needs more debates because MSNBC and the rest of the punditry will declare her the winner of all of them, so she could use one debate per day for the next month. She has figured out to use debates against Sanders, so of course she wants more, and Sanders doesn't. Sanders has the advantage in the "more debate" discussion, since Clinton and the DNC made it very, very, VERY clear that there would be no additional debates.

[okasha]

28. Every time he appears on a stage with Hillary,

Bernie gets clobbered and she gets a bump in the polls.

There's no advantage to him in more debates.

[HassleCat]

36. That's true

If people just watched the debates and made up their own minds, most would call it a draw, which we see reflected in the focus groups and "person on the street" interviews before the pundits and spin masters massage the results. But the mainstream media always declare Clinton the winner, and that affects public opinion at least as much as the debate itself.

[Snotcicles]

37. Yep, up is down. Her numbers have been on a steady decline from the beginning. eom

[closeupready]

9. The more people see her, the less they like her, so I say, go for it.

K&R

[restorefreedom]

11. he was always open to more SANCTIONED debates

but now, after dws screwed him and martin out of exposure during the critical early days, and hillary is tanking, NOW he is supposed to save her by going rogue and being in an unsanctioned debate? nope.

dws has two choices..,she can sanction it and display the collusion with camp clinton or
she can ignore it and let it get cancelled or turned into a "forum"

bernie said from the beginning he would not participate in unsanctioned events and he is keeping his word. its called ethics...i can understand why that word is unrecognizable to dws and hrc.

[mmonk]

12. Spin.

[karynnj]

16. Their statements are actually pretty close to identical - just framed differently by the media

Sanders via Weaver: will not do a debate unless it is sanctioned or the DNC says it not use it to exclude someone later.

Clinton via Palmieri: will do debates if the other candidates do and if the DNC sanctions it

DNC: has yet to either say they waive the rule or that they will sanction it.


This is GAME playing. The two positions become the same if the DNC sanctions it or waives the rule. The problem is not Bernie - it is DWS, who incidentally co chaired HRC's 2008 campaign.

Question: Is DWS the worst DNC chair ever?

[daleanime]

19. +1

[JonLeibowitz]

26. Two quibbles

1. The DNC released a statement saying it would not be sanctioned.

2. Palmieri was quoted as saying something different: IF all candidates agreed, THEN the DNC would sanction it.

1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. Also, 2 taken alone points to clear collusion with Hillary.

[karynnj]

34. Good points

The fact that the DNC has still NOT sanctioned them suggests that Palmieri might have simply been speculating.

[Jarqui]

17. I wouldn't give her any unless the playing field is leveled

There was bias for Clinton at the CNN town hall. There was bias with Andrea Mitchell at the NBC debate. Enough!

If they cannot put on an event on a level playing field, then I'd tell them to get stuffed. Sanders campaign is doing just fine without them.

Secondly, since the DNC has proven itself to be a wing of the Clinton campaign, they're out and can't have anything further to do with the debates. If they properly investigate and report what happened to the Sanders data that was compromised last October, I might reconsider.

Thirdly, since the DNC has found itself incapable of doing this right, the campaigns need to get together without the DNC and organize what is going to happen and when. Not just debate when Hillary wants. They agree to a schedule.

Hillary didn't want Obama talking to leaders without preconditions. Those would be my preconditions to allow Hillary to discuss this with Sanders.

[CharlotteVale]

18. It's dishonest crap, that's what I think. What about unsanctioned debates doesn't

Hillary's DU crowd get?

Instead you're spreading the bullshit that he won't debate, when if he does participate in an unsanctioned debate he can't participate in the sanctioned ones because of an agreement he made.

Why aren't you being honest about this?

[farleftlib]

22. Because dishonesty is the only way they know?

It is so obvious that Bernie absolutely has to decline this debate unless he has rock-solid assurances from DWS that it will not be held against him later...and from DWS? Crickets. It's bullshit of the first order and they will pretend Bernie is a hypocrite or afraid of more debates. It's laughable really.

[CharlotteVale]

24. And it's funny how nobody asks why DWS won't just sanction this debate, isn't it?

That's the real issue. She's trying to hurt Bernie and everybody knows it. But Hillary is the one who's so obviously desperate.

[farleftlib]

31. It's very funny they leave that aspect completely out of the discussion

and yet there will be a half dozen more posts claiming Bernie is backing down from debating Hill.

Their desperation is stunningly obvious.

[Snotcicles]

20. They had their chances for debates. Now it's time to get out and meet and greet like he is doing. nt

[Segami]

21. If Bernie agrees to more debates, he should make it conditional...

....That DWS resigns her DNC position immediately!


No,...ok!

[jillan]

25. Yes!!! LOL!!!

[jillan]

23. Bernie sticks to the DNC rules & Msnbc attacks him for it.

[aidbo]

44. And this isn't the first time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251955306

[DefenseLawyer]

27. It's a trap!

[Kip Humphrey]

29. Oh, the irony! Thanks, DWS, for giving us such sweet irony and a sure sign that Hillary is losing.

Without DWS, this would not have happened.

[Trajan]

35. I think that Hillary needs this more than Bernie

The games that have been played by Hillary and DWS regarding the Democratic Party debates have already created a circus atmosphere surrounding their choices ...

No debates? ... More debates? ... Who the fuck knows anymore?

THIS Bernie supporter would be quite happy if he flipped them the finger and told then he was busy, and then go participate in a couple of huge rallies with 20,000 - 30,000 people attending ...

Who needs debates? ... Fuck'm

[Go Vols]

38. lol

Rachel Maddow Asks Hillary Clinton If She Buried The Democratic Debates In TV Siberia

.... As a general rule debates are bad for front runners. No front runner ever wants more debates. The Clinton campaign is the 900 lb. gorilla in the Democratic race. If they wanted more debates, the DNC would have scheduled more debates.

It was great of Maddow to ask the question that has been on the minds of most Democrats. The debate schedule has clearly been designed to minimize viewership. Hillary Clinton’s answer was a dodge that passed the buck to the DNC.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/19/rachel-maddow-asks-hillary-clinton-buried-democratic-debates-tv-siberia.html

[Duckhunter935]

39. My understanding is

Both will not participate unless they are sanctioned, and Hillary also will not participate unless all of the others do also. So they have the Elmont the same position.

[arcane1]

41. You can't even bother to name the person who said it, much less back it up with fact?

Desperate times indeed

[islandmkl]

42. DWS and the Third Way (which sounds like some bad entity in The Hunger Games)....

have painted themselves, and their favorite candidate, into a corner that was supposed to contain the other candidates...

something I learned at a very young age when it came to painting swimming pools:

START PAINTING IN THE DEEP END!