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bigtree

(86,005 posts)
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:49 AM Jan 2016

O'Malley is a more experienced, accomplished choice than Sanders

O'Malley is better choice
Jan. 28 — To the Editor (Fosters):

Sanders' sudden unexpected rise in the polls has captured the media's attention. However, another candidate, Martin O'Malley supports the same issues with similar goals. The difference between them is that Sanders is doing the talk while O'Malley has the experience of having done the walk in several of these areas.

Both O'Malley and Sanders support raising the minimum wage to $15. an hour. Working toward that goal, as Maryland's Governor, O'Malley raised the minimum wage in Maryland to $10.10 in 2014.

Both support lowering college costs. O'Malley kept tuition costs in Maryland from increasing for four years straight. Maryland was named one of the top states for holding down college tuition costs by The Washington Post.

Both have plans regarding gun control. In 2013, Gov. O'Malley implemented such a plan and signed Maryland's Firearm Safety Act, one of the toughest firearms laws in the country.

Both support immigration reform. O'Malley passed the DREAM Act in 2011 which enabled children of undocumented parents to attend public colleges at in-state tuition rates. The ability of undocumented workers to obtain driver's licenses was also expanded.

Both support LBGT equality. O'Malley led the effort to bring marriage equality to Maryland in 2012. He successfully campaigned to defend the law when it was challenged at the ballot box. When Mayor of Baltimore, O'Malley signed Maryland's first anti-transgender discrimination law in 2002.

While Sanders is just talking about these goals, O'Malley clearly has the experience of implementing them.

Would you hire someone without a resume?



Sandra Teti
Rochester
http://www.fosters.com/article/20160128/NEWS/160129341
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O'Malley is a more experienced, accomplished choice than Sanders (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2016 OP
Bernie has a resume. SamKnause Jan 2016 #1
he has less actual progressive accomplishments than O'Malley bigtree Jan 2016 #2
I like the guy BUT pinebox Jan 2016 #13
What he did got him re-elected as mayor and elected twice as governor. For good reasons. MH1 Jan 2016 #15
Sure pinebox Jan 2016 #16
I won't. Why would you? She has incentive to cover her own incompetence, or that of her staff. MH1 Jan 2016 #17
Good point! pinebox Jan 2016 #29
Jury results, spawned by some oppressionist. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #24
lol wtf? pinebox Jan 2016 #28
For what it's worth, it wasn't me, and I doubt it was bigtree. MH1 Jan 2016 #31
Biazzro world alert lol pinebox Jan 2016 #32
I appreciate your input on this thread bigtree Jan 2016 #33
Anytime! pinebox Jan 2016 #34
the NAACP who brought the lawsuit against the city disagrees with you bigtree Jan 2016 #20
Interesting pinebox Jan 2016 #35
I read the sun article. You think that is going to handle this issue in today's environment? Skwmom Jan 2016 #37
actually, his answers on the trail have received approval and support from activists bigtree Jan 2016 #38
Thanks, bigtree. elleng Jan 2016 #39
'salright bigtree Jan 2016 #40
He hasn't accomplished the most important thing he needs. dogman Jan 2016 #3
we're working on that bigtree Jan 2016 #4
Yup. Introducing O'Malley to the nation is Hortensis Jan 2016 #19
They're both excellent. I wouldn't argue. Gregorian Jan 2016 #5
Agreed! nt Stellar Jan 2016 #7
sorry this worries me -fracking ypsfonos Jan 2016 #6
he made those policy moves at the end of his term, fracking restrictions bigtree Jan 2016 #8
Is he still at 7%? Autumn Jan 2016 #9
yep bigtree Jan 2016 #12
K & R. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #10
Martin is a nice guy, but LoveIsNow Jan 2016 #11
to be fair bigtree Jan 2016 #14
O'Malley is a great candidate and he'd be a better POTUS than either Clinton/Sanders KittyWampus Jan 2016 #18
Yep Andy823 Jan 2016 #21
Does it say a little something SheenaR Jan 2016 #22
his approval rating in Md. has been consistently strong, high numbers in 4 straight elections bigtree Jan 2016 #25
Look SheenaR Jan 2016 #27
IF Hillary really does crash and BERN out, the establishment might get behind him Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #23
I don't think they need to 'crash and burn' to make the race competetive for O'Malley bigtree Jan 2016 #26
I agree, though I must say that Bernie was able to get the internet excitement early. Xyzse Jan 2016 #30
I fully agree. Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #36
Clinton stomped O'Malley in Maryland in October polling Fumesucker Jan 2016 #42
there isn't a poll showing he's increased his name recognition bigtree Jan 2016 #44
I'm confused, isn't Maryland O'Malley's home state? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #45
for president bigtree Jan 2016 #46
I do wonder why O'Malley has done so poorly. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #41
He's better than Hillary. Hell, nearly everyone is. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #43

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
2. he has less actual progressive accomplishments than O'Malley
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jan 2016

...despite his 'excellent resume and track record.'

Point taken on the one line from the letter.

MH1

(17,608 posts)
15. What he did got him re-elected as mayor and elected twice as governor. For good reasons.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016

A lot of people were happy to see a lot of crap being cleaned up.

I'm sure he made some mistakes.

But I am GODDAMN FUCKING TIRED of no one wanting to OWN that cities DO have crime problems, and RESIDENTS BITCH TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO SOMETHING. CONSTANTLY.

And YOU would bitch too, if you saw children getting gunned down in the street. Or sitting on a couch and dying from a bullet coming through the wall. Or getting roped into drug abuse or gangs before they've even had a chance to experience life.

Yes, I am sure O'Malley made mistakes. But from what I heard he did better with a SUCKY situation than almost any other mayor faced with a similar situation.

The cops that brutalize black people in Baltimore own their own actions, just like brutal cops do everywhere. Did O'Malley miss some opportunities to fix some of those problems, maybe prioritizing too much on enforcement and not paying enough attention to the enforcers? I am sure he did, at least a little - it's a pretty easy mistake to make. (Although I know he also did some things with citizen review boards and the like.)

But it isn't "inexcusable". Not to anyone who has seen the other side of the coin. Watched the burial of children killed by stray bullets for just hanging out. NOT doing something to clean that shit up would have been "inexcusable".

MH1

(17,608 posts)
17. I won't. Why would you? She has incentive to cover her own incompetence, or that of her staff.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jan 2016

Why would she accept the blame herself when she can blame someone else?

TheBlackAdder

(28,222 posts)
24. Jury results, spawned by some oppressionist.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jan 2016

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MH1

(17,608 posts)
31. For what it's worth, it wasn't me, and I doubt it was bigtree.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jan 2016

That really was a strange alert.

I appreciate that you're willing to consider my points.

I don't think any politician - or any human for that matter - is pure as the driven snow, and like I said, I'm sure O'Malley's actions were not perfect and there are some things he should have done better. I just want people to realize that there is strong popular support for cleaning up crime in cities, that doesn't come from a "throw all those jerks in jail" mentality, but more from an "I can't stand to watch another 12 year old buried" mentality. And it's coming from the parents and grandparents of the kids being murdered.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
20. the NAACP who brought the lawsuit against the city disagrees with you
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jan 2016

The American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP sued the city in 2006 on behalf of 14 people who alleged their arrests indicated a broad pattern of abuse. O'Malley was running for his first term as governor at the time.

The city settled four years later, and agreed to retrain officers and allow an outside auditor to monitor "quality of life" arrests.

"There was, I think, a recognition within the Police Department and eventually at the political level that these strategies were counterproductive, which is what we had said from day one," said David Rocah, a senior staff attorney with the ACLU of Maryland.

Leaders at the NAACP — the group that brought the 2006 lawsuit against the city — said they no longer believe O'Malley should be held responsible for the police strategy. Gerald Stansbury, president of the Maryland State Conference of the NAACP, said the organization has a solid relationship with the governor.


"Clearly, the police problems go well beyond Martin O'Malley," Stansbury said. "There's been ongoing mistrust for some time."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-police-omalley-politics-20141007-story.html#page=1


“What was positive was that there was zero-tolerance for criminals and drug dealers locking down neighborhoods and taking neighborhoods hostage,” said the Rev. Franklin Madison Reid, a Baltimore pastor. “Does that mean there was no down side? No. But the bottom line was that the city was in a lot stronger position as a city after he became mayor.”

Benjamin T. Jealous, a former president of the national NAACP who worked with O’Malley when Maryland abolished the death penalty in 2013, credited him for supporting a civilian review board as mayor and for a sharp drop in police shootings that occurred during that time. Jealous said O’Malley’s “mass incarceration” police strategy is “a separate issue” than police brutality, and “a conversation for a different day.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/as-mayor-of-baltimore-omalleys-policing-strategy-sowed-mistrust/2015/04/25/af81178a-ea9d-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
35. Interesting
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

It seems this is one issue which is all over the place and pretty murky. This is the sort of crap that makes my head spin because you don't know wtf to believe.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
37. I read the sun article. You think that is going to handle this issue in today's environment?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)

rofl: :

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
38. actually, his answers on the trail have received approval and support from activists
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

...and aren't actually a subject most voters responding to his campaign are interested in.


jamilah ?@JamilahLemieux (for EBONY Magazine)
I spoke with @MartinOMalley on his criminal justice reform plan and addressing racism and engaging activists: http://ebony.com/news-views/omalley-debuts-criminal-justice-reform-plan-interview-503#.Vbtw_0uEz1o

The former mayor of Baltimore and governor of Maryland spoke exclusively to EBONY about why he’s ready to challenge structural racism and how his record of service makes him more qualified than both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders to change the culture of American law enforcement...

EBONY: Do you think that the nation is ready for this type of criminal justice reform plan?

MO: I absolutely do and one of the very important things that we can establish right off the bat is to require data to be recorded that measures police-involved shootings, custodial death excessive use of force… we should require every department to monitor as courtesy excessive force complaints because the things that get measured are the things that get management attention and in the past we haven’t had that standard recording in our country. And I think we especially need it now, so that all of us as citizens will know whether our departments are doing any better this week, or this year, or this month than we were before in terms of reducing excessive force, reducing discourtesy complaints and police involved shootings.

EBONY: Are you ready to tell the entire country—not just the National Urban League or the NAACP—that you are ready to make addressing racism an important part of your campaign for presidency and, if elected, your presidency?

MO: Yes, I am and it’s been an important part of my entire calling to public service throughout my life. I think Dr. King summed it up when he said that one day, this generation of Americans will be called not only for the evil acts of bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good. I think it’s irresponsible for us as citizens not to find ways to talk about this and I think that’s especially important in the public forum of selecting the next president of the United States. And that’s something that, as the mayor of Baltimore elected when our city had become the most violent in America that I’ve had a lot of experience with. And as governor, we reduced our incarceration rate. It was at a 20 year low and we did it by reducing recidivism by 15%. We restored voting rights to 52,000 people, we eliminated the death penalty and we decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana. So I’ve had a long trajectory over 15 years in a very diverse space of talking about . And I tend to talk about them in the course of this campaign because this is part of the work we need to do to address what all of us share which is a pretty brutal racial legacy of injustice in our country that’s not limited to crime and punishment. It’s everything in America whether its’ education or housing or other things and I don’t know that we can address it together unless we do find ways to talk about it with one another.

EBONY: In terms of your law enforcement policy as mayor of Baltimore, is there anything you would do differently?

MO: I wish that we had been leaders in the newer technology, both in our state and as mayor, the body cameras and the cameras police cruisers. We were early implementers of putting up public safety cameras to keep public spaces safe. I wish we had been just as early and proactive in the body cameras and cameras in cruisers...I also wish that I had done a better job of institutionalizing some of the practices in terms of policing the police that were implemented during my time, that I wasn’t able to institutionalize to carry on after my time as much as I would have liked…we promised three things: to improve policing, including how we police the police, and we also promised to greatly increase drug treatment funding, which we also did and to greatly improve our interventions in the lives of our most vulnerable young people…I committed to doing 100 reverse integrity screens a year, I committed to increasing the internal affairs division, I committed to a tracking and monitoring with an early warning system that is courtesy and brutality complaints. And I assigned independent detectives for the first time to a civilian review board so they’d had the power to investigate any case independently with the police department’s internal affairs division. And under the pressure of budgets not all of those things continued at the level that they had during our time…we reduced police involved shootings to their lowest levels in modern history. The three years where the lowest level of police involved shootings were during my time as mayor.
_______________

To make clear, O'Malley's term as mayor saw a sharp decline in the numbers of police shootings. Yes, he had an issue with arrests for petty crimes, but there's no evidence that was accompanied by an increase in police brutality, for instance. In fact, his police dept. changed the way incidents of police misconduct was reported and handled by establishing an active review board and a hotline for reporting police abuse or misconduct. Under his term there were over 100 'reverse integrity' stings of police conducted a year. They fully staffed the civilian review board including detectives on the board to investigate claims against police. They used technology to flag abusive officers who racked up complaints.

Also the numbers of arrests is skewed because it reflects repeat offenders, not new cases. What was happening during his term was an effort to clear the open-air drug markets which had been plaguing black majority neighborhoods.

As O'Malley said in a response today, if those had been white-majority communities, there would be no question of the swift and thorough response to drug-related crime and violence which threatened and cost black lives, many young black lives.

I think he's correct in estimating that at least 1000 black lives were actually saved by his police dept.'s focus on responding to and acting on the drug activity which was running rampant in Baltimore when he took office. The city had record deaths and record violent crime when he took office which saw a sharp reduction during his terms as mayor. During his time as governor, recidivism was cut significantly, and incarceration rates were actually REDUCED in his terms to 20 year lows; and voting rights were restored to 52,000 individuals with felonies.

That was a direct result of not only the heightened attention by the police to that drug activity, but also a result of a community policing effort, policing the police with increased accountability for police abuses, and a massive drug-treatment program which recovered many black lives in those communities.

He also closed the most violent prison in the city, ended the death penalty, signed decriminalization of small amounts of pot into law, and actually brought incarceration rates down during his stay in office. That says 'black lives matter,' at least to those black lives which were granted safe streets, prevention of violent crimes and killings and other opportunities to improve on their way of life.

I've lived in Maryland for 45 years. These issues aren't just an abstraction to me, and neither are they to other members of the black community who are affected by these issues.

Those communities, not coincidentally voted repeatedly for Martin O'Malley in overwhelming numbers throughout his several, successive roles serving in public service in Maryland. That's as much of an endorsement of his efforts as anything anyone wants to portray in terms of black support.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
3. He hasn't accomplished the most important thing he needs.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

Support among the voting public. He is not in the media game plan.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
4. we're working on that
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jan 2016

...his standing in this primary doesn't negate the progressive achievements for residents (and others) of my state.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Yup. Introducing O'Malley to the nation is
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jan 2016

something good to come from this primary season. Next time he'll have a much better starting position.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. They're both excellent. I wouldn't argue.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jan 2016

O'Malley deserves way more credit than he's getting.

He has accomplished a ton of great stuff.

 

ypsfonos

(144 posts)
6. sorry this worries me -fracking
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jan 2016

Also in 2014, O'Malley approved the practice of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," in Western Maryland on the condition of tight regulations. He had previously blocked the technique from the region for three years, awaiting the report from the Marcellus Shale Advisory Commission on the risks and benefits of hydraulic fracturing

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/green/blog/bs-md-fracking-regulation-20141125-story.html

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
8. he made those policy moves at the end of his term, fracking restrictions
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

...which are viewed by activists in my state as effectively tying up the ability of the republican administration which followed him to approve fracking in Maryland.

Governor O’Malley imposed a moratorium on fracking in Maryland in 2011.

To read more about his environmental record, see this article from Grist magazine: "Martin O’Malley, long-shot presidential hopeful, is a real climate hawk".

from that Grist article:

O’Malley is leaving office with a mixed, or at least nuanced, record on fracking. Western Maryland, just south of Pennsylvania, has natural gas deposits that are recoverable by fracking, but they have yet to be exploited. O’Malley imposed a moratorium on fracking in Maryland in 2011. But he’s about to be succeeded by Republican Larry Hogan, an enthusiastic fracking proponent. So after the November election, O’Malley announced that he will unveil regulations this month that will allow fracking under limited circumstances, following the best practices of other states and imposing additional, stricter rules to curb air and water contamination and restrict where drilling can take place.

For some environmentalists, O’Malley’s willingness to allow fracking at all is their one disappointment in his record. “I would prefer that O’Malley would come out in favor of a ban on fracking in Maryland,” says Tidwell. But others say O’Malley is making a shrewd move. With rules in place before Hogan comes in, Hogan may find it more politically difficult to repeal them than he would have to simply not write any himself. “The fact that we have a governor-elect who wants to move forward on fracking means we want to get some protections in place as soon as possible,” Karla Raettig, executive director of the Maryland League of Conservation Voters, told The Washington Post.


...so definitely designed to tie up Hogan who doesn't have the clout to push any of his own fracking plans through the legislature.

Of course, as president, O'Malley would be free to execute his own strategy - something, hopefully, nearer to the moratorium he imposed on the process in MD in 2011.

LoveIsNow

(356 posts)
11. Martin is a nice guy, but
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jan 2016

It's unfair to compare his getting things done as Governor to Sanders' (out Clinton's) getting things done on the Senate.

He literally never had to deal with anything less than a Democratic supermajority for eight years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Maryland

Imagine if Obama had had such luck!

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Baltimore city council is reliably blue as well. He is from one of the bluest states in the country and has no experience working with a Republican majority, as both of our other candidates do. Believe me, I get that sometimes Democrats can be as backwards as Republicans, but realistically O'Malley has been playing softball his whole career.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
14. to be fair
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jan 2016

...the legislature in MD has political divides similar to Congress in the obstruction from a persistent republican minority.

The idea that these accomplishments were 'softball' doesn't square with the actual fights he had to wage among the legislature and the public in my state to achieve these progressive accomplishments. Take a closer look at the individual political fights and you'll see what these legislators and other supporters are talking about.

None of these achievements were slam-dunks. Maryland has a very rabid and active conservative population which makes these progressive accomplishments hard-fought and relevant to the political divide pols face in D.C..

I would note that both Clinton and Sanders have benefited from Democratic majorities in the past.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
18. O'Malley is a great candidate and he'd be a better POTUS than either Clinton/Sanders
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jan 2016

The issue is he doesn't appeal to the ideologues like Sanders does.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
21. Yep
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jan 2016

And the MSM has already decided it would be a race between Hillary and Bernie. If anyone has the right to complain about not getting their fair share of exposure by the media, it's O'Malley. If he MSM had been fair about covering him also, he would be a lot further ahead in the polls than he is now. That's my opinion.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
22. Does it say a little something
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

when his home state that was just polled a few weeks ago had him at 5%? It definitely does. It doesn't matter what the media narrative is, you win your home area. Or at least that's why I am told Bernie is winning NH.

I am from RI. Lincoln Chafee was getting similar traction here. For the same reason.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
25. his approval rating in Md. has been consistently strong, high numbers in 4 straight elections
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jan 2016

...the fact that the other campaigns are doing better in the POLLS is a reflection on the success of the others in this primary and takes NOTHING away from O'Malley's progressive fights and accomplishments in Md..

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
27. Look
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

I believe you. I'm just saying that Clinton and Sanders did not do for Maryland what you are saying MOM has. So to get 5%, whether you want to admit it or not, says at least a little something. I like MOM, I promise you. I just think to be taken seriously nationally, you have to eclipse single digits in your home base. This is not an attack on MOM I assure you.

Omaha Steve

(99,741 posts)
23. IF Hillary really does crash and BERN out, the establishment might get behind him
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jan 2016

Now that would be a fun run to the finish line.

OS

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
26. I don't think they need to 'crash and burn' to make the race competetive for O'Malley
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

...better recognition in the media would definitely help.

It doesn't serve his campaign for every lead highlighting his poor showing in polls, and then, proceeding to dismiss and ignore any input from him in their reporting, on that basis.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
30. I agree, though I must say that Bernie was able to get the internet excitement early.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

He was just unable to promote himself as he was crowded out.

I really like him, and still my first choice, but, as I am happy with the 3 current Democratic primary runners, I don't feel too broken up about it.

Still, in regards to the Presidency, I consider that position an aspirational one. Many who run for the Presidency and some of the some that are considered "good/great" do not have experience that one would think should fit the role. What Presidents tend to be remembered for are their uplifting speeches, their battles and so forth. Though I agree that governors can be considered to have better executive experience than someone from Congress or Senate.

I really hope he can pull things together.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
36. I fully agree.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

If Hillary needs to withdraw for any reason, I expect an O'Malley inauguration next January.

And if the Republican wins in November, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see an O'Malley inauguration in 2021.

He's an impressive guy.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
42. Clinton stomped O'Malley in Maryland in October polling
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jan 2016
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/marylanders-dont-like-martin-omalley-so-why-would-the-rest-of-america/

O’Malley is starting way down in the polls, and he’s not well known. And we have evidence that more O’Malley exposure doesn’t equal more O’Malley support. He earned just 3 percent (compared to Clinton’s 63 percent) in a poll of Democratic voters in Maryland conducted in October by The Washington Post and the University of Maryland.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
44. there isn't a poll showing he's increased his name recognition
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

...which makes the statement by this pollster baseless and self-serving to his argument. He's almost invisible in coverage of our Democratic field.

And the pollster incorrectly cites Hogan's victory over Brown in my state as a referendum on O'Malley. Fact is, Brown ran a lackluster and invisible campaign which led to his defeat.

O'Malley, on the other hand, won four successive elections in Maryland with impressive margins of victory and left office with a high approval rating.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
45. I'm confused, isn't Maryland O'Malley's home state?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

That would seem to leave name recognition out of the mix, seeing as he once governed there.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
46. for president
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

...one of his two rivals is seen as more likely to win; and the other is riding on a populist tide of progressive supporters who favor their long-time champion.

Supporters who make this argument against O'Malley are reduced to discounting the strengths of their own candidates. I think if Sanders wasn't present or wasn't seen as a viable choice (for whatever reason), O'Malley would easily assume his following and more.

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