2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWaPo Morning Plum- Democrats badly underestimated Bernie Sanders. That was a very serious mistake.
Democrats badly underestimated Bernie Sanders. That was a very serious mistake.
The inside track on Washington politics.
By Greg Sargent January 29 at 9:08 AM
Learn from this man, Democrats. (Joshua Lott, The Washington Post)
THE MORNING PLUM:
As we come down to the wire in Iowa, most of the reporting suggests Hillary Clinton may have a slight lead over Bernie Sanders. If she does win, it will probably offset any Sanders victory in New Hampshire, and Clinton may then pile up a string of decisive wins in more diverse states. Of course, Iowa could surprise us and Sanders could win, and we could be in for a very long battle ahead.
But whatever happens in Iowa, we can already reach this conclusion: Democrats, and Hillary Clinton, will have to engage in a serious, genuine effort to learn from the Sanders phenomenon and what it really represents.
NBCs Kasie Hunt has a terrific segment this morning on the surprise success of Sanderss campaign that should be a must-watch for all Democrats. It shows a range of pundits last spring mocking Sanderss socialism, his thick Brooklyn accent, his age (he looks 91? , and his manner (hes a loon). But then Hunts segment smartly shows footage of the roaring crowds at Sanders rallies, and the deep passion and commitment of the young volunteers putting in long hours in a Sanders Iowa campaign office, concluding: If Bernie Sanders is going to beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa, its because of volunteers like these, who basically live here.
And then Hunt interviews Sanders himself, who says this: Way back when, I dont know if you heard it, I said: Dont underestimate me. Dont underestimate me.'
more at link...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/29/democrats-badly-underestimated-bernie-sanders-that-was-a-very-serious-mistake/
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Just so that you know, the Tampa Bay Times, has also just endorsed Jeb Bush for the 'republicans'. You do remember Goldman Sachs did say, they'd be happy with either a Bush or a Clinton. I'm sure they would, and the puppets that they own.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)backed him almost out of the room.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 29, 2016, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)the status quo. We want change, real change, and we mean to get it. Bernie is totally
in touch with this feeling, and his timing of entering the race for president was perfect.
It is also just the right time for a person of his qualities to join the race -- someone
like him is badly needed - right now.
Bernie Sanders, the right man at the right time. This is why he will win!
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)They truly have not concept of what kind of life most people in America live: the challenges and hardships, the decline of the middle-class to the ranks of the poor, struggling to put food on the table, much less pay for higher education or health insurance.
Meanwhile, the establishment rubs elbows at cocktail parties, greasing the skids for the next Wall Street PTB takeover of more wealth.
And they just can't understand how this 74 yo "socialist" could possibly be so popular.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)and have been doing everything in their power to get us to think it isn't possible.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The people keep telling the party what they want. The party keeps saying "Shut up and vote for us".
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)They live in a comfortable little world where everyone is affluent and the range of permissible opinion runs from center left to center right. They completely missed the fact that ordinary Americans are not happy with the status quo. They dismissed Trump, they dismissed Sanders. While I'd hardly equate the two men--Sanders is a far better human being than Trump in every way--their rise is a symptom of the fact that the middle class has been forgotten by our political class and by the donor class who own them.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)I'm a Democrat. I never underestimated him!
That's pretty nervy implying that Clinton's camp has exclusive dibs on being the 'Democrats'
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and casey hunt can stick her anti bernie slanted "reporting"
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)turned as conservative as the candidates they keep providing for us. Bernie Sanders is gaining because we were already where he is, we just haven't had a chance to vote for liberal candidates, all we are given are "business friendly," conservative Democratic.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)We heard his concerns, hopes his complaints about the way Washington was being run --and his reaction to the complements --- "When are you going to run for president?" He would deflect the complement. This disappointed me.
Then he changed --- if no one with progressive values runs, I will.
I was happy. (Not Hoppy, happy.) So much so that I have $100. invested in his campaign.
I also invested $35.00 in Eliz. Warren's campaign a couple of years ago. That worked out well.
I want a repeat.
(I also plan to donate to the primary campaign of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz's opponent.)
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)our own party has refused to offer or back any who are not these new business friendly conservative third way types.
And why are we not hearing about voter registration drives and outreach programs instead of only reading about their backing of more conservative Democratic candidates.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)How dare they not march in lockstep behind our hand picked oligarch after we so carefully made it clear that she was the lesser of two evils!
Z_California
(650 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
NCjack
(10,279 posts)as Chair of the DNC -- you are unworthy.
benny05
(5,322 posts)David Mizner at DK had this to say about the narrative in general (that Sargent streams every day)
This is why almost all prominent progressive wonks, advocacy organizations and congressional Democrats have endorsed, or at least lean toward, Sec. Hillary Clinton.
They support Clinton not because his policies are unrealistic but because they dont support those policies. The theory of change debate, which a few Sandernistas have fallen for, is a concoction meant to obscure the fact that Sanders and Clinton have different goals, different ideologies, and, accordingly, different funding bases. Sanders wants to scrap the corporate health care regime and provide health care to all. Clinton doesnt. Sanders wants to break up the big banks. Clinton doesnt. Etc.
The argument against Sanders isn't working because most people see through this Clinton-concocted debate about the theory of change.
Thus, if I could school pundits like Sargent, who claims to be "liberal", my title would be Beltway Democrats Underestimated Bernie Sanders. Was that a Mistake[?/b]
[link:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/29/1476879/-Here-is-the-reason-why-the-main-argument-against-Bernie-Sanders-isnt-working|
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)..., total complete Fed-up-ness of the populace which is sick and tired of having Phony-ass-lying democrats that vote more of the same screw-the-middle class bullshit....and that includes the Clintons (all 3 of them) I personally am sick and tired of their mealy-mouth promises and distortions.
I'd rather vote for Bernie and go crashing like a 747 jetliner into the ocean then have the same republicans and republican/lites do the same crap of ramming a 2x4 up our asses. Fuck that shit.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)At this stage of my life, this is the last chance for seeing change.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)jomin41
(559 posts)poor voter turn-out. Finally, a candidate to get genuinely excited about. You might think, naively, that the DNC would be interested in exciting voters. It's easier to criticize people for not voting than to give them something to vote FOR. GO BERNIE!
ErisDiscordia
(443 posts)And if you must call it a "mistake," it is the luckiest mistake of our lives and the nation's history.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)If elite in the Democratic Party (or the Republican Party for that matter) would leave the echo chamber of financial supporters they surround themselves with they would know America is fairly well pissed off. Bernie speaks to that and he is sincere.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)"Democrats, and Hillary Clinton, will have to engage in a serious, genuine effort to learn from the Sanders phenomenon and what it really represents."
They won't, any more than the Rethugs did after 2012.
Soul searching and change is not in the establishment DNA.