Sanders could still win this

[CoffeeCat]

There are 22 counties with votes that have not been reported.

11 of those counties Sanders is in the lead, thus far.
11 of those counties, Clinton is in the lead, thus far.

However, Polk County--the biggest county has 12 percent of the vote out. It was reported on our local news that the area still out is near the downtown area of Des Moines. This is very, very liberal, hipster land. Mostly young people. This area has seen an influx of very young people. Most of the population growth is due to apartments, condos and townhomes being built in the downtown area. The area that surrounds the downtown area is also very young people who live in older homes around the Des Moines area. Very artsy, liberal area.

The second biggest county with voters still out is Linn. They have 7 percent out. That county is 52 Bernie, 47 Clinton--thus far.

The third biggest county with voters out is Scott county. They have 3 percent of the vote out. That county is 50 Bernie; Clinton 49.

Most of the remaining counties are counties with very sparse populations. Rural areas. Even though, these counties have small percentages of the vote out, there are not as many votes in those areas.

[valerief]

1. I don't understand the delay. nt

[NowSam]

4. Microsoft has to "count" things while we sleep.

I went to bed in 2000 believing Al Gore won the election.

[earthside]

9. He did win the election. n/t

[NowSam]

10. Indeed he did. eom

[SamKnause]

19. Exactly.

And what the hell did the Democratic party do about it ???

Nothing.

And in 2000 when Bush stole the election, what did the

Democratic party do about it ???

Nothing.

It is time for a fucking revolution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FEEL THE BERN

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. And did this country suffer the repercussions of those decisions!

Revolution is right! I bet the party hears us now!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[SamKnause]

36. We are still suffering and will continue to suffer the consequences

of the spineless Democratic party.

The Clinton family bears much of the blame deservedly.

It is past damn time for a revolution.

FEEL THE BERN

[alittlelark]

38. ... so did I.... I was shocked and nauseated that AM.....

[mgcgulfcoast]

6. fraud occuring as we speak?

[valerief]

8. I hope Bernie's calculations can validate the results. nt

[Robbins]

7. so that

Clinton could declare herself winner.

Back in 2012 on night of iowa romney declared winner only it turned out santurum won Iowa.

[CoffeeCat]

22. The Republicans have a very different caucus procedure though

They vote by paper slips.

And the problem that year, with the Republican vote totals was that a county hadn't reported their results. Some weird thing happened and some precinct captain forgot to count votes.

Democrats vote by show of hands. Those counts should be over. There should be no reason that people should be counting. After the count is over, you report your totals to the state precinct.

There is no explanation for these outstanding and unreported votes.

It's bizarre.

[CoffeeCat]

13. I just attended my caucus and I don't get the delay either.

I am really mystified.

I don't get the delay. It doesn't make any sense. AT ALL.

At the caucus, people vote by show of hands. You go around the room and count. Then, you figure out--based on these counts--how many delegates each candidate gets.

Then, people give speeches and try to sway the OMalley supporters and the undecideds.

Then, a final vote count is taken. Final delegates are totaled.

We had 300 people at our caucus locations. A pretty big precinct. We had record turnout and we started late because we had so many new registered voters. We started 15 minutes late.

We were finished by 9:00 p.m.

This is really bizarre. I don't get what is taking so long. You can't tell me that these people are still counting by show of hands!!

[valerief]

17. No. They must be figuring out how to cheat, so the results aren't a tie.

That's all I can figure until TPTB tell us otherwise.

[sabrina 1]

21. I agree, the delay is odd. And coin tossing to decide an election? Naturally it was in Hillary's

favor

I watched the Des Moines caucus and something changed pretty quickly at the end when O'Malley didn't have enough to stay in. Seemed the went over to Hillary, but I couldn't tell really. Suddenly she was ahead.

However, Bernie supporters asked for a recount because they were missing three people.

Suddenly there was a quick hand count 'do you want a recount or not'. And it was decided 'no recount'.

[jillan]

34. I was watching the same thing. That young woman that was a spokesperson for Bernie was amazing!

The younger one with the red shirt & ponytail.

Was very proud of the way she fought.

[sabrina 1]

37. Yes, she was amazing. Very smart, very enthusiastic. Watched the exchange with her and the Hillry

supporter. She was telling her how she is saddled with so much student debt. The Hillary woman became quickly negative, never acknowledger her concerns, began using the pronoun 'you' which always makes it personal. That was during the time when they were trying to get O'Malley and non-committed voters over to their side.

The young woman was right, Hillary's supporter was mischaracterizing Bernie's proposals.

[cui bono]

39. This is what you are talking about, no?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/43sexj/cspan_stream_clinton_precinct_chair_lied_about/

dorkzilla posted about this. cali has posted an OP about it too.

.

[Nyan]

47. What I also don't understand is why is she declaring herself winner?

when it hasn't been fully counted.
I won, the rest of you just shut up. Is that it? (sorry if I'm too emotional. Well I am).

[roguevalley]

53. there are irregularities reported about not having enough people to count

then having iowa dems do it leading to a bias charge. It was reported late.

[hoosierlib]

2. He WILL Win...

If only by a delegate...We WILL Win...

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. how about Jefferson and Black Hawk and Boone? too small to really matter?

[CoffeeCat]

25. I missed Blackhawk County...

Blackhawk County is the home of the university of northern Iowa. Liberal stronghold. Bernie is winning there 54; Clinton 46. 6 percent of that vote is still out.

Boone County is relatively sparse.

[Art_from_Ark]

46. Last time I looked at Jefferson County's totals,

Bernie was winning by a country mile.

[Paulie]

5. It would be awesome to wake up with that news!!!!

Thanks again for EVERYTHING CoffeeCat!

[Punkingal]

11. Thank you!

[MrMickeysMom]

12. I was going to say that the influx of younger voters may increase the caucus time?

More explanation, more questions, and perhaps recount?

Anyway, thank you SO MUCH, CC! Get some sleep!

[californiabernin]

14. He's won. Looking forward to all those debates! n/t

[ecstatic]

15. Does it even matter anymore?

The moment that mattered was tonight (now last night). Election night. Any changes will just be an afterthought that barely gets coverage.

[2pooped2pop]

32. And bingo for why there are votes still out

Bernie wins but Hillary steals the hoopla by announcing her own victory.

[Attorney in Texas]

16. Thank you for all you did!

[Helen Borg]

18. there are mysterious delays at times....

Go figure.....

[artislife]

20. CoffeeCat, I don't think I told you today

How much I love you!

You have been the gem on this board and I just thank you for everything you have done and shared.

[CoffeeCat]

26. Thank you so much. I enjoyed letting DUers know what was happening...

...and it was very exciting to be a part of it. It continues to be exciting!!

I look forward to "reports-on-the-ground" from DUers in NH, NV, SC and the rest of the states.

It's going to be an incredible primary!!

Thanks again artislife.

[artislife]

29. You set a high bar for the rest of us!

I will be caucusing on March 26 in Washington State. My precinct is in a Republican stronghold. I will do what I can.

[sabrina 1]

40. I second what artislife said!

[2banon]

23. Thank you CoffeeCat, I trust you'll keep us updated.

xing fingers for a certain outcome in favor of our candidate!

[senz]

24. MSNBC says he very well might.

They're talking about "coin tosses" in some of the caucuses.

That close.

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Linn and Woodbury still out

Polk rolling in without Clinton's state delegate lead increasing.

Sanders will flip it.

[CoffeeCat]

31. I'm cynical (and I don't trust Hillary Clinton) so here is my guess

I think Bernie won.

I think the powers that be--including the Clinton and Sanders camps--know that Bernie won.

Clinton wasn't up for giving a concession speech. So, they're holding back results so she could give the speech she gave and then leave. She is spared the humiliation.

She seemed angry and very emotional during her speech. There was an dark undercurrent to her speech. Sanders seemed elated and celebratory.

You can't really cheat in Iowa. There's just no way. So many people are witnesses to those count. At least 15 people from each camp verifying those totals. These counts are in gymnasiums and elementary school lunch rooms with everything out in the open. Everyone sees the counts. All precinct captains verify the counting and results. They're announced to everyone in public. Many take pics of the results on their cell phones.

I don't think any cheating is happening. I think a Sanders win (which we will know about tomorrow) is being delayed at the pinnacle moment.

Yes, I know that's cynical. Yes, I know I have no proof. However, there is no way in hell that there are people still caucusing. No way.

[Howler]

33. Well.

That's way better then what I am thinking .... so I will go with yours CoffeeCat. Btw! You rock and thank you for all you do.

[Robbins]

35. I am with you

I think bernie barely won but they are holding off till morning to announce so clinton could give "Victory" Speech tonight

[cui bono]

41. I agree with your assessment. n/t

[sabrina 1]

42. That's an interesting take. Bernie canceled his departure, he was supposed to leave

earlier on a charter plane with news media. They were told they were not leaving. Bernie may know also, because he did not concede at all, said 'we are in a virtual tie'.

She would pull something like, deliver a speech people think is a victory speech and leave.

But it is odd. Tweety just said 'the results may not be in for a few days'!! What's so difficult?

[MrMickeysMom]

52. That was extremely informative and logical, if you ask me...

I don't live in Iowa, but after hearing what you explained, I agree.

I had the sound off on TV when she spoke, listening to Bernie TV, but said to my husband, "man... look how angry her face is... Is she trying to be grateful or tough? I've seen her flash that kind of face when she's pissed off during the O'Malley remarks during a few debates. How does somebody who claims victory look that way?

Well...

[rocktivity]

43. He's won it morally as far as I'm concerned

a margin of less than one point is hardly the stuff of a victory lap of either candidate -- or so Obama's supporters of eight years ago could tell her. Split the delegates straight down the middle.


rocktivity

[pnwmom]

44. According to HuffPost, out of 52 Iowa delegates, she has 28, he has 21, and there

are only 3 in play.

And 99% have been reported.



http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-02-01

[Art_from_Ark]

48. According to this article, Iowa only has 44 Democratic delegates

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/things-delegates-stake-iowa-caucuses-36634904

[pnwmom]

54. They have 44 pledged, who were being picked tonight, and 8 unpledged,

who are free to vote for their choice.

A minute ago, HuffPost was still reporting 28/21 Hillary/Bernie, with 3 delegates' votes remaining in play.

[Paulie]

51. Huff post counts "super delegates"

Look at the fine print on their numbers.

[pnwmom]

56. They will be in the Iowa delegation and they are part of the equation.

Always have been. Sanders strategy to basically ignore them has this downside.

But regardless, Hillary is still slightly ahead in the SDE equivalents -- not counting the super-delegates.

[Paulie]

57. They can also change their vote

I wouldn't count them till they actually exercise that vote. Especially when they are not voting at a convention today.

[NRaleighLiberal]

45. even closer still now - 0.1% separation with 1% to go!

[merrily]

49. Sanders did win it.

[zentrum]

50. Thank you Coffee Cat. Hope

…..you can find out what the Bernie's camp is doing to ask about looking at the actual vote count.

[Docreed2003]

55. Thank you CoffeeCat...

Not only for keeping us informed on the ground game in Iowa, but for your very hard work... Thank you and I hope this is the beginning of beautiful things!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. Here's where being both liberal and rural helps.

[captainarizona]

59. debbie does iowa ii

there are 90 precints where their was no democratic state official to precide. debbie wasserman schultz strikes again?

[Bernblu]

60. This is just unbelievable and pathetic.

Is it third-world or third-way? You decide.