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Metric System

(6,048 posts)
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:33 PM Feb 2016

Last night felt like a victory for DU's Hillary supporters. Here's why:

For many months we've been subjected to Hack Attack Goodman's ridiculous articles, in what I can only assume was a covert operation to make us lose our minds and switch support to Bernie. And boy, did he ever call Iowa wrong:

Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-will-fini_b_8717248.html


Not to mention, we've been told by some DU Sanders supporters that basically everyone hates Hillary and that there's a huge enthusiasm gap. Judging by the rhetoric on DU, you'd assume hardly anybody would show up to caucus for her. But plenty of people did show up for Hillary AND she pulled ahead, however slightly, of the candidate with all of the "enthusiastic" voters and big crowds.

So yes, taking all of this into account, I'd say I feel pretty good about last night's outcome. But what do I know? I'm just a low-information voter.

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Last night felt like a victory for DU's Hillary supporters. Here's why: (Original Post) Metric System Feb 2016 OP
Goodman hasn't been posted forever. Never even heard about the guy until Bonobo Feb 2016 #1
Less than a week ago, but who's counting? DanTex Feb 2016 #8
Wow, a poster with 500 posts! Bonobo Feb 2016 #9
While you're at it, smear the 33 people who recced it too. DanTex Feb 2016 #11
Would you rather be called.... daleanime Feb 2016 #2
I'm for Sanders, and even *I* thought Goodman's stuff was ridiculous. (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #3
Have you noticed your fellow Hillary supporters saying for months that she was inevitable? el_bryanto Feb 2016 #4
I never once saw a Hillary supporter on DU call her inevitable. That was a term throw at her by her Metric System Feb 2016 #6
+1 Its not coming from us OR Hillary's campaign Lucinda Feb 2016 #10
No, they never literally used the word *inevitable* frylock Feb 2016 #16
She won and Bernie lost. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #5
Yes, this concerned me. The dem turnout was much lower and the Rethug turnout was its highest ever. JudyM Feb 2016 #7
Yes. Very good point. We should be thinking about that in between fighting each other. Matariki Feb 2016 #14
That is because of the debates AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #18
did anyone besides that one dude ever seriously suggest she was going to come in third? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #12
Yeah, last night was a HUGE victory for Blockbuster Video! mhatrw Feb 2016 #13
Poor, oppressed underdog Hillary. frylock Feb 2016 #15
Oh please AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #17

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
1. Goodman hasn't been posted forever. Never even heard about the guy until
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary supporters started posting it. Check the record.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
11. While you're at it, smear the 33 people who recced it too.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Probably easier for you than just saying "I was wrong".

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. Have you noticed your fellow Hillary supporters saying for months that she was inevitable?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:45 PM
Feb 2016

and that supporting Sanders was pie in the sky nonsense?

Bryant

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
6. I never once saw a Hillary supporter on DU call her inevitable. That was a term throw at her by her
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:56 PM
Feb 2016

detractors. Also: coronation.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
10. +1 Its not coming from us OR Hillary's campaign
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:36 PM
Feb 2016

Just crap to slam Hillary with - and it's not even original

frylock

(34,825 posts)
16. No, they never literally used the word *inevitable*
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:17 AM
Feb 2016

but it was obviously implied in their mocking posts of Sanders and his supporters.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
5. She won and Bernie lost.
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 10:46 PM
Feb 2016

Democrats suffered a major drop in attendance from 2008, (approximately 27%).

Yes, there was a turnout of the youth, but in nowhere near revolution numbers.

Obama in 2008, now, that was a revolution.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. That is because of the debates
Wed Feb 3, 2016, 02:19 AM
Feb 2016

Debbie Wasserman Schultz allowed them to suck all the oxygen out of the room

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. did anyone besides that one dude ever seriously suggest she was going to come in third?
Tue Feb 2, 2016, 11:54 PM
Feb 2016

If they did, I would question their knowledge of actual political reality.

I mean, I can predict that if I say "yummy smores" three times in a darkened bathroom marshmallows will shoot out of my fingertips, but that doesn't mean it will happen.

the reason last night was a loss for HRC was because her team poured a ton of resources into Iowa, and because she's supposed to have been "inevitable", this nomination was supposed to be a cakewalk for her. And the past several months have demonstrated that the campaign style, messaging, and inspiration-generating deficits she had in 2008 are still very much a problem, and that itself is doubly a problem for her in a primary contest when her "electability" and strength as a candidate are being served - as opposed to the bold stands and policy proposals of Bernie Sanders - as a prime reason to support her.

But it wasn't the end of HRC's campaign. It was basically a tie, but it was also a strong showing for Sanders, which means the contest- and the conversation, as Hillary put it last night- will continue.

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