2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy are Bernie Sanders's supporters advancing a false narrative that young people favor Sen Sanders?
People tend to forget that Mitt Romney won the white millennial vote in 2012. President Obama won the overall millennial vote due to young African Americans and Latinos turning out and voting for him.
A small segment of young white liberals might prefer Senator Sanders, but it doesn't mean he is a favorite among young African Americans and Latinos. Indeed, the polling results in Iowa show that people of color overwhelmingly voted for Secretary Clinton. Among the non-whites, Hillary won 58% compared to the 34% of Bernie's.
Let's talk about who the "millennials" favor after we give states with higher concentration of African Americans and Latinos a chance to vote.
So, can the Bernie Sanders's supporters stop advancing a false narrative that young people favor Sen. Sanders? If you want to be accurate, you can say "young white liberals" support Bernie Sanders.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)uponit7771
(90,357 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And let's not forget the popularity of Ron Paul among the same demographic.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)drray23
(7,637 posts)Yesterday night they showed a segment about caucuses. All i saw were clueless kids excited about the whole thing, acting as if it was all a big game and completely buying the utopia that Bernie is selling.
You might be right that in this instance its because of the particular demographics and it may change in other states.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)We had couples with newborns, many middle aged people and many elderly. It was the same for Hillary. The person I was sitting with also commented on the wide span of ages. I expected a large group of college-aged young people, but was surprised.
Although we have a community college, we don't have a large population of university students who live independently of their parents. So, I would expect most of the young people we saw last night sitting in the Bernie section to show up for the general election. Isn't not voting the fear regarding the young Bernie supporters due to being registered at home and not at college?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)We are making up and gaining votes through increase of African Americans, Latinos, and Asian Americans votes. Just look at the two conventions. The Republicans is overwhelmingly white. While, the Democrats is a reflection of America's melting pot. Hillary Clinton truly represents the growing Democratic base. Bernie Sanders is trying to tap into the Reagan coalition.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Voters under 30 broke for Sanders by 70 points.
Zach Carter - HuffPo
02/02/2016 10:24 am ET | Updated 10 hours ago
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WASHINGTON -- The final tallies in Monday's Iowa caucus showed a very narrow win for Hillary Clinton. But one demographic divide between the two candidates was not even close: Clinton is popular with older people. Millennials love Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).
Entrance polls of caucusgoers show Clinton besting Sanders with voters over 45. They also show Sanders crushing Clinton with everyone else, including a 70-point margin among voters under 30. As Sarah Kliff at Vox notes, that's an even bigger slice of the Iowa youth vote than a senator from Illinois named Barack Obama took back in 2008 (he got 57 percent). Sanders also bested Clinton 58 to 37 among voters aged 30 to 44.
Today's Democratic Party isn't the same coalition that gave Bill Clinton the presidency in the 1990s. While Democrats at the time savored his electoral strength, the major elements of his governing legacy -- welfare reform, Wall Street deregulation and tough-on-crime criminal justice policies -- were Republican priorities.
Clinton supporters have long insisted that such "triangulation" with the GOP was essential to the Democratic Party remaining relevant in the post-Reagan era. But the financial crisis of 2008 and the Great Recession changed the political playing field. Today's Democratic base is far more skeptical of corporate power than the party of the 1990s was. A bipartisan consensus has emerged that Bill's GOP-backed crime bill fueled mass incarceration. Even conservative boosters of his welfare reform have acknowledged that it fails during the recessions, hurting the poor.
For older voters, the partisan fights of the 1980s and 1990s were formative political experiences. They see Hillary Clinton and the broader Democratic Party establishment as figures who survived relentless Republican attacks (which they did). But Sanders' massive 84 to 14 margin over Clinton among voters under 30 shows that the party's future is eager to break with its past. This is a wing of the party that wanted to see Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) run for president on an anti-Wall Street platform, which Sanders has adopted. It's a wing of the party that is uneasy with a candidate who served on Walmart's board of directors and made millions of dollars giving speeches to Wall Street, even after her family had amassed a nine-figure fortune.
It is, in short, the wing of the party whose worldview was shaped more by the banking crash than the Reagan era -- a generation angry about income inequality which does not trust the generation that created the problem to fix it.
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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus_us_56b0bf13e4b0a1b96203a505
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I noticed it too--it's like the media expects the "young people" to vote as a massive borg because they say so.
It's really a lightweight analysis.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And unpalatable it seems.
Now they're doing damage control by making up things to fit the narrative, like only "white" millennials voted for him - except there's no evidence of that. But they continue to SPIN SPIN SPIN!!!
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Be careful, there's always a lot of alerts in his threads too.
Funny that.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't trust people who link to right wing websites, fool me once and all that.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)We all know that iowa is the most liberal state in the union
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)43% of D Iowans self-identify as socialists. That's an incredibly high number for any state.
If that's not liberal, what is?
Your rolling on the ground laughing boy is laughing at you.
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winter is coming
(11,785 posts)It's commie racist sexist Jew who's really, really old.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Note to jury: do not believe the alerter, by "they" I mean people in general, not the op, if you do a search you'll see that people did indeed call Bernie an atheist. This is not a personal attack or an accusation. Thank you for serving.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
He is either calling Bernie a racist or the OP a racist. Either way this is a personal attack.
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Since the poster didn't think to use the sarcasm tag, allow me to explain: It is a dig on the OP, who's doing a lot of spinning about Sanders' popularity with millennials, by making a sarcastic reference to Sanders' detractors trying to claim he's racist. It becomes pretty clear when you read the rest of the thread.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Or the poster thinks Romney is a racist. You can ask the poster to clarify.
elias49
(4,259 posts)more so than the 'Bernie Sanders's supporters'.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Sanders trounces Clinton among engaged young voters no matter what demographic you poll!
It was over 80% to 20% in Iowa, and it is over 90% to 10% in New Hampshire!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I also think that trying to atomize the nation by demographics such as AAs, Whites, Latinois, Old, Young, Male, Female, Bloindes, Redheads etc. is counterproductive to the common interests we all share.
Sure different groups have their own set of issues, priorities, identities etc. We have to recognize and deal with racism, unequal justuice, immigration and all those concerns.
But how about trying to unify to protect and advance the interests of the majority of the population who are not millionaires, rather than separating by tribal and demographic divisions? Otherwise we're just playing into the hands of those who don't have the interests of any of us as a priority.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)understatement, right there. That aside, without a comprehensive age/race breakdown, we don't really know how much of Bernie's or Hillary's support came from young millennials of color. Do you have that info?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Okay let's say there is a 30 year old black lesbian on a limited income. Which demographic is she? Woman? AA? Millennial? Somewhere the demographic categories she gets lumped in with are contradictory as to who she is expected to be supporting or what issues are her priorities. Is she exactly the same as a white straight wealthy soccer Mom, because they are both women?
Likewise, a straight, male who is of mixed race and is 45 and makes $300,000 a year. Is this an AA? White? Old? Young? Is he the same as an AA single mother living on $15,000 a year?
It gets fucking ridiculous.
djean111
(14,255 posts)No one is being denied a "chance to vote", that I can see. And, as far as I can tell, people support candidates because of issues, not who else they think will be voting for them. I doubt anyone here at DU is supporting Bernie because of some demographic breakdown.
Would like to mention that counting on demographics might bite some campaign in the ass, anyway - if Rubio is the GOP nominee, perhaps, when given the choice between a real Latino and one who just talks about Latinos, voters will choose the real Latino.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"Yo soy un Berliner!"
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Yet, you didn't.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)New poling shows that Hillary is favored by black millennials by a huge margin. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511247370