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Former Mormon Explains Why Mitt Romney Should Never Be PresidentBy Sarah Wood
Written by: James Martin (former LDS and strongly against Romney for reasons as listed below)
(EDITOR’S NOTE: We’re sharing this opinion of Mitt Romney, written by a former member of the LDS Church, unedited and uncensored. Addicting Info is not endorsing this article, or attacking the LDS Church, but we would like to give James Martin a forum to share his unique perspective.)
Romney:
The first thing you need to know about Mitt Romney is that he is a Mormon, aka a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They call themselves Christians, but they have so thoroughly brainwashed their members that anything the church says…goes. No matter how much Mitt Romney says he would keep his church separate from Government, and how he would never let the church come in and run Government, commands of the church come first and foremost in Mormon minds.
If the church wanted Mitt to let them come in (AND THEY WOULD) and help or direct the Government, that is how it would be. Why? Because the church leaders would supposedly have a “vision” that it is God’s will. The church is all about trying to prop up the image of its founder, Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith had a supposed vision (prophecy) that one day a Mormon would become President of the United States, FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE, of letting the Mormon Church take over the U.S. Government. You can take it to the bank, that if Romney were President, the church leaders would have another “vision,” that a church takeover must happen. By the way, that prophecy was simple revenge for perceived wrongs done to Joseph Smith by the government. Nevertheless they treat all his prophecies seriously, no matter how ridiculous they are.
The only other church I know of that elicits such obedience was The People’s Temple, and we all know what happened there, they drank the Kool-Aid. In other words, the Mormon religion is a cult of brainwashed souls.
Mormons duck out the back door of the church as quickly as they come in the front door. The number of people on the church rolls rises all the time, but that’s because even if you join and then decide the church really isn’t for you, they still continue to count you as a member. Unfortunately this trend doesn’t apply to the “old school” Mormons like Romney. They’re totally entrenched into the religion/cult.
Some of the freaky Mormon beliefs are:
Mormons have a member “stand in” for a dead person and they’re baptized as a member of the church.
Mormons have a couple “stand in” for a dead man and woman and marry them into the church, and those count as a “twofer” in church membership rolls. Supposedly they’re “sealed for time and eternity” as husband and wife. Mormons are also supposedly the only ones who will be allowed to have sexual intercourse in Heaven.
Mormons believe that God was once a man here on earth and that he attained God-hood due to his “good works” here on earth. He was then elevated to live on the planet Kolob. This is why the Mormons stress “good works” as part of their membership. But here’s the rub! How could God create the earth according to the book of Genesis (which their other teachings do NOT dispute) unless he was ALREADY a God, and then attained God-hood through “good works?” If you truly are a Christian, does this all sound a bit weird to you? And no I’m not kidding you, these things are core beliefs of the Mormon Church. They all are from the false prophecies of Joseph Smith. You see, it’s easy, if you know all the facts, to tell why Mitt wants the White House so badly.
One of the tenants of the Mormon Church is to have as many babies as possible. So this goes hand in hand with Romney’s stand against abortion AND birth control. If you’re not popping out a new “Mormon Unit” every 12-18 months, you’re not having enough unprotected sex.
It also explains why they stress getting a good education, so they can make enough money to support all those kids with the mother being a “stay at home mom” like his wife Ann. Yet he wants to cut and privatize education. This is one of the Republican strategies to keep the voting public too dumb to see the truth.
Back when I was a youth in the church, we were taught that black people were descendants of Cain, and that the dark skin was the curse God put on him for killing Abel. Black people were to be shunned at all cost. We weren’t to be rude about it, but we weren’t to associate with them. This racist “teaching” is no longer part of Sunday School, because a few black people threatened to sue the church for racism and discrimination because they were not allowed to join. Suddenly the church elders had another supposed “vision” that blacks had paid their penance (still indicating they’d done something wrong) and they’re now allowed to join. But they were not allowed to hold church offices, so the threat to sue was renewed and lo and behold another “vision” comes down the pike and blacks are now allowed full membership. I used to go to church with people like Donny & Marie Osmond and their family. I KNOW they were raised to be racist. In my opinion, to be raised racist and suddenly have your church tell you that you must do a full 180 and love and embrace black people is a total mind-fuck. (Excuse the one word, but nothing else seems to convey the gravity of the situation)
Christians don’t believe that God changes his mind to fit the times, yet this is what the Mormon Church is saying he does. A further example of this is that Joseph Smith said polygamy was an “everlasting covenant” from God, but the government said that if Mormons continued to practice polygamy, Utah would not become a state. If you look up the words everlasting, and covenant, you can see once again that God SUPPOSEDLY changed his mind just to fit the times.
Mormons wear “special” undergarments. For reasons too long to go into, suffice it to say that they believe this underwear protects them from evil and gives them mystical powers, as well as making their bodies more visible to the spirits when the rapture occurs. There are symbolic cuts in the underwear that are the same as symbols of being a member of the Masons. Also many of the secret ceremonies, hand signals and handshakes are derived from Masonic rituals.
Romney wants to be President to fulfill a cult prophecy. When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader. The Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon President of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
Economic goals according to Romney’s own book, “Believe in America” Mitt Romney’s Plan for Jobs and Economic Growth © 2011
Wants to provoke China into war by labeling the Chinese government as criminals in the world court. Never mind that they own most of our money, they have nuclear capabilities and over a million soldiers. I’m sorry, but we wouldn’t stand a chance.
Wants to privatize Social Security and Medicare. They say Obamacare would create death panels, but that’s nothing compared to what it would be if Wall Street controlled medical benefits. And with how well Wall Street has proven that they can screw up even a wet dream, do you really want them deciding how much your Social Security checks should be? I don’t think so. Romney would privatize his next meal if he could.
General plans (from stuff he has said lately)
Wants to cut education funding and oversight.
As a vulture capitalist, Mitt Romney cost thousands of employees their jobs and their retirement pensions, while he made out like a bandit. If elected president, Romney will kill Medicare and Social Security and further subjugate women’s rights, while destroying the EPA and other government services.
OBAMA is looking pretty good now, isn’t he? Read on, don’t just shut your mind and stop here.
Romney avoids mentioning it, but Joseph Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent Commander in Chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat, James Polk and Whig, Henry Clay – Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.
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orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:18 AM - Edit history (1)
but when I went through Salt Lake city as a kid (1975) I was in SHOCK at what a cult really looked like.
rickford66
(6,094 posts)We make fun of the "Moran"s and the "Hugh"s. We should proof read our comments.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Also for my misuse and poor spacing of commas.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)We have to do our best to keep all religions out of our government. The Christian Right want to impose a theocracy too. Life would soon look like it does in the most fundamental Arab countries. Women would be considered equal to farm animals in no time. Gays would be outright killed and anyone not Mormon or Christian would probably be executed after a trial by church.
The church is lying low right now, but they WILL influence Romney if he gets elected. State laws are affected by the church already, why not the Presidency.
As a non-Mormon, I am considered as an "outsider", but I can see, hear, and experience just how there is NO separation of church and state because I'm living it in UT.
onecent
(6,096 posts)
clydefrand
(4,325 posts)has made more problems for this world than anything else, including natural disasters and wars.
If a god created everything, then why don't we all look and think the same. Why do we have so many different ideas about god? I believe in nature and evolution. That can't be controlled by us...except we can do things that won't make things worse like global warming. But too many people don't think we have anything to do with it. Well, I do.
Oh well, maybe that is god getting even with us for being bad people. Yeah, right.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)There are certainly buzzwords that have changed this election, not to mention codewords re: racism. Israel, abortion, Islam, Sharia law, Muslims, terrorists, birth control, food stamps, Medicare, SS, welfare, etc.
I used to think Americans were a generous and forgiving people, but we sure don't act that way now...particularly, since the Tea Party fiasco began. I've never seen so many selfish, hateful, bigoted and narrow-minded people...many of them well-fed and driving fancy motorhomes/cars/mega-trucks. All Mitt had to do to get the RW on his side was mention Israel and they were at his feet. Imagine what will happen if he's elected.
We will be at war with Iran, China, the old Russia, on and on and on. The military complex will be thrilled, the RW will be watching the skies for the big arrival and we'll still be shaking our heads and wondering what the hell happened.
Don't forget to vote~~~
valerief
(53,235 posts)all just get along?" is, "Because people believe instead of think."
Every time a politician says, "I believe," I cringe.
Juanhar1
(2 posts)I read on the LDS website that one of their core beliefs is that they're direct descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel and that the HDqtrs of the kingdoM of Jesus Christ will be established here in the U.S. per their interpretation of Ezekiel 37. A belief that all of the members are programmed with at an early age.
This led me to research the history of Bain and Company and If there was any current connection to the State of Israel What came up was this head of Bain Capital, Orit Gadiesh(google her bios) who was a former intelligence Agent for the IDF and the former head of the Mossad was her boss. These two along with Binyamin Natanyahu establishes a Cabal that when these individuals are connected to Mitt, these apendages provide the Israeli links that make what the Former Morman alleges, most credible. Now you have to ask yourself; If Romney is elected, could you rest easily knowing that Israel had the controlling influence of the LDS Shill that had his finger on the Button?
LeftishBrit
(41,516 posts)'Israel having the controlling influence of the LDS shill' sounds like a cross between the Protocols and the sort of people who thought JFK was controlled by the Pope!
But if you have genuine sources, please link to them!
roody
(10,849 posts)
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Plot
The story is set in a future theocratic American society, ruled by the latest in a series of fundamentalist Christian “Prophets.” The First Prophet was Nehemiah Scudder, a backwoods preacher turned President (elected in 2012), then dictator (no elections were held in 2016 or later). {...}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_This_Goes_On%E2%80%94
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)In 1978 a revelation came to a church leader to allow blacks to join.
In 1979 Larry Miller completed his acquisition of the New Orleans Jazz basketball team and the team move to SLC to become the Utah Jazz.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
12AngryBorneoWildmen
(536 posts)Theological prostitutes, they be.
valerief
(53,235 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)who chased us away, and told us talking to an African-American would strand us longer and could be dangerous for us. We were harassed simply for hitchhiking and the fact that one of the three of us said hello to a group of ladies .
no_hypocrisy
(55,377 posts)The CCC
(463 posts)Become an AntiMormon and lose 60 IQ points.
Z_California
(650 posts)This type of information will dominate the last week of the election campaign to give the evangelicals something to think long and hard about.
BSUbluNorange
(78 posts)Couldn't read past the first few sentances. Good grief, ex mormons harbor a lot...
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)has been "brainwashed". There are people that think Saddam had WMDs and people that think Moses talked to a bush and people that think the Cubs will win the World Series next year, even though there is no proof of any of them. They have all been convinced by something other than evidence. If you don't want to call that brainwashing you can come up with another less pejorative term for it.
beac
(9,992 posts)Good grief.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Please take a moment to review the copyright policy. Unless you wrote this yourself, you need to add a link to the original source and limit the copy and paste here to 4 paragraphs or less.
Thanks!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)
under their breath, I bet they still believe all that stuff about cain. Southern Baptist preach the same type of stuff but their take says that the one who saw Noah naked, his descendants, were cursed to be slaves ergo--the black race in america. American religions
sad, sick and bigoted. Any religion's leader gets into office, we're fucked.
alfredo
(60,327 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)you better think long and hard about who is more likely to come for your guns: a Marxist Kenyon or a Religious cult leader Hell bent on Theocracy?
shireen
(8,340 posts)There are many Mormons supporting Pres. Obama. Harry Reid has been especially aggressive in going after Romney.
I think this article is about one point-of-view of Mormonism. It does not represent all Mormons. Like all religions, there is great diversity in how the faith is practiced among its followers.
There's a pretty fine line between established religions and cults. But that's a discussion for another thread in a different forum.
There are 1600 in a closed Mormons for Obama Facebook group and according to PEW 390,000 Mormons will vote for Obama.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)on this background on the Willard. Been posting summaries and opines about Willard for months. One only has to read web sites run by Esra Taft Benson's grandson. Tons of real facts about the LD$ Cult and the accention of Willard and who made his choice as their fair haired Boy.
This White Horse Prophecy is not a joke,had a member of the local Priesthood confirm our suspicions about this issue yesterday. Was asked how we found out about this,simple,we read something other than the local rag or watch Faux. We temporarily lost one of our family to this cult,but,reality smacked this person and the truth came out. Converts will never ascend to any position within this cult. It's all about family linage. It's the magic gene pool and nothing more or less.
If you want to see what a Willard administration would look like,just look at Udah,it's all about the 10% Club(Mormon Priesthood). State is totally run by the Rethugs,bonded to the max,very racist,though subtle,corrupt to the core,no bid contracts are the do of the day. State run by Temple Square,which is it's largest employer. By the way,Temple Square has a daily take of about 6 plus million,attained through hundreds of companies all under nonprofits called Desert Industries,Bonneville Group and Farms. This is what you will see.
mary195149
(379 posts)is how these other Christian Religions are leaning more towards Romney to be President over Obama. Aren't they afraid that the Mormons will gain more power??
GreenPartyVoter
(73,399 posts)the truth, but at least he's a conservative and has the right stand on abortion and gay marriage." FWIW, though, as a senior he does not like R&R's ideas about Medicare.
guappo1
(53 posts)I was a member of the church ever since I was 8 years old. I was not active until I had a family of my own. After I got into the religion I started learning more about the beliefs and started to really ask questions of the church. I could not ever understand with the Black racist idea but left it alone. I knew I would not follow that teaching.
It came to me completely after going through the temple. The ritualism of the Temple was very close to the Masons and me also being a mason did wake me up on how could this supposed very religious ceremony be that way. My family left the church, without any regrets,
The idea of a Mormon as president does bothers me for most of the reason you have stated, but the fact the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is supposed to be a Prophet, Seer and Revelator. I do not see any devout Mormon male that would not follow a request from the President of the church. That alone is enough.
Cha
(320,554 posts)this close to having his hands on the "buttons" that could cause annihilation.. that Ann herself has uttered that she's worried the most about mitt's mental state should he get in.
LeftishBrit
(41,516 posts)but let's not engage in religious bigotry. It would not be acceptable to go after a politician just for being a Catholic, Jew, Muslim, etc, so it shouldn't be acceptable to go after them just for being a Mormon. After all, isn't Harry Reid a Mormon too? And, on checking, the religious-right loony Anglin, who came frighteningly close to defeating him, was a Baptist and not a Mormon.
Theocrats and fundie hardliners of any religion are dangerous, but no more if they're Mormons than any other religion.
The problem with Romney isn't that he's a Mormon, it's that he's a moron! And a vicious snob into the bargain.
I am an atheist by the way; and I hate right-wing politicians whatever the religion!
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)power hungry!
they constantly campare their membership numbers to numbers of other churches. they want to "win" and it has nothing to do with helping people get into heaven.
Tippy
(4,610 posts)they are just a bunch of nuts......
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