Help me understand: Clinton admitted she was a moderate centrist but is mad if Sanders quotes her on

[Vote2016]

that issue.

I don't understand why this is controversial (don't her own supporters see her as more of a moderate centrist than Sanders?) or why it upsets her when Sanders quotes her from September 15 in Ohio, when she "plead guilty" to being a moderate:

Columbus, Ohio (CNN) - Hillary Clinton confessed Thursday to something liberals have long suspected: being a moderate Democrat.
"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center," Clinton told the audience at a Women for Hillary event in Ohio. "I plead guilty."

Now, when Sanders repeats Clinton's admission that she is a moderate or centrist, Hillary calls it an "attack" and a "low blow."

What's up with that? What am I missing?

[JRLeft]

1. She really is Mitt Romney.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Hillary is the only candidate who could out weathervane Mitt Romney!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[JRLeft]

6. Etch-a-sketch

[roguevalley]

15. this has rattled her and she is regrouping. Everything probably feels like an

electrocution to her. A jolt on her unnerved sense of direction and self. Nothing worked and she's facing another slam in the solar plexus in NH. All of this shakes the world view and your confidence about where you're going and how to get there. She has planned her progress through America to the White House since 2009 so when this exploded, it blew her away. Andrea Mitchell said they were in meltdown and you saw their faces. You don't rebound from fright and the idea of another public lose and humiliation forming before you immediately. She's lashing out at everything. Her future depends on how fast she recovers, reorganizes and moves on. I don't think she can honestly. The town hall wasn't good.

[JRLeft]

30. What mat save her is, the lack of viewers watching the townhall.

[ProgressiveCentrist]

2. Perhaps I'm qualified to answer that

Hillary might not think its fair to say you have to be one or the other.

Is someone who believes in women's rights, child hood poverty, and climate change, but also agrees with the death penalty, intrusive national security measures, and international trade agreements a moderate progressive? A progressive moderate?

[Live and Learn]

3. A hypocrite? nt

[2pooped2pop]

4. A weathervane?

[hollysmom]

7. well there are various ways of believing in woman's rights

and isn't everyone against childhood poverty, they just don't all want to do something about it, so the issue becomes - what do you plan to do about it? You know in a way that would be acceptable to a republican congress. And you can believe in climate change, but will you pay the bill for it?
I mean I believe in a lot of things, but how much is it worth for me to do something about it? I believe in family, but how many times do I have to pay to keep a brother's house from being foreclosed? When do I say say live on the street.

[frylock]

10. Hungry kids just want free stuff.

[ish of the hammer]

13. as an individual, you can say and or do whatever is legal around your obligations.

a government, however, has a different set of obligations and also criteria of how to meet those obligations. when you personalize government obligations and conflate them with your own obligations, you wind up with repub - like thinking.

[HassleCat]

8. That's it.

Most politicians like to have it both ways, and our prohibitive favorite is no exception.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. He didn't say that.

He was asked a question, do you think Hillary is a progressive? (paraphrased)

His response was that on some days she is and on others she isn't. (also paraphrased)

Then he pointed out what she said in a speech (not a response to a question) where she plead guilty to being kinda moderate and kinda center.


She is using different terms to describe herself in different situations. If she considers herself a "progressive moderate" then she should say so.

[Vote2016]

14. Isn't a moderate someone who is more to the center from a progressive or a liberal? Can you stand in

the middle of the room and also stand along the left wall (that sounds like a small room)?

The progressive values you mention include women's rights, reducing child hood poverty, and climate change. Don't Republicans like Olimpia Snowe, Chris Gibson, and Susan Collins support these values? I thought that these were values moderates support, too, right?

[ProgressiveCentrist]

18. I like your room analogy

It reminds me of a grade school dance.

boys on one wall girls on another.

In this case D's and R's or progressives and conservatives.

Sanders and his crowd are all pinned to one wall yelling at anyone venturing into the open space.

I don't think everyone on the wall are entitled to claim the progressive mantle. I'd argue it takes some progressive values to venture into the gaps.

[Fronkonsteen]

29. We're yelling because

The floor is greased and tilted to the right.

[Ken Burch]

16. Would that be a "progresserate"? Or a "modative"?

[karynnj]

28. great answer and fitting given your user name

All of these labels have difficulty fitting real people.

[pinebox]

31. Don't give us the "Hillary cares about childhood poverty" bullshit line

when she supported what her husband did with "welfare reform" which hurt millions of people.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

Sorry but we don't forget. It's shit like this which makes her have negative numbers with her favorability.

[elias49]

34. Yup. She's pretty selective

about what she crows over.

[jeff47]

36. She's smart enough to say they are not mutually exclusive if she actually believed that. (Nt)

[Binkie The Clown]

9. People in the bubble don't like it when reality intrudes. n/t

[kath]

11. People aren't supposed to notice when she flip-flops. She gets really mad if they do.

[CharlotteVale]

17. Ding ding we have a winner!

[Dragonfli]

19. I have an unorthodox but possible answer to that question, she may genuinely not

remember being a centrist at the time and may in fact be an entirely different, more progressive person during the later time. The anger may have been quite real as she would have not believed her own quote accurate but rather a lying misrepresentation of something she believes she would never say.

Let me explain - actually, this may explain all the seemingly differing and opposing views she has held depending sometimes years, days, or even hours apart. She may in fact not be the ever shifting weather-vane, lying, pandering, candidate that the evidence might appear to suggest while exhibiting such transitions of beliefs, views, and memories .

She may in fact be very sincere and heartfelt when opposing gay marriage and then somehow emphatically embracing it, or when she claims to be radically progressive one moment and a centrist moderate the next. Notice also how often she says things like, "I have always been consistent in my views if you go back and look you would see that" when that is often far from the case.

I have finally figured it out!

These may merely be the symptoms of Dissociative Identity Disorder!

What Are the Symptoms of Dissociative Identity Disorder?

Dissociative identity disorder is characterized by the presence of two or more distinct or split identities or personality states that continually have power over the person's behavior. With dissociative identity disorder, there's also an inability to recall key personal information that is too far-reaching to be explained as mere forgetfulness. With dissociative identity disorder, there are also highly distinct memory variations, which fluctuate with the person's split personality.

She may well be an extremely honest set of politicians rather than one ever changing seemingly ever shifting dishonest one, so people. cut her some slack and lets vote for the first President in history that truly can be many things for many people, because in fact she may actually be many people! If we vote her in, we can have an entire team of Presidents, no other candidate could possibly compete with that!

[RobertEarl]

20. Sounds about right

She thinks she is honest and that is all that matters.

I've known people like that. Hell, I've done it myself a few times.

But I ain't asking to be president.

[Fumesucker]

25. Two for the price of one!

What a bargain!

[Old Crow]

21. Easy to understand, if you ask me.

Early in the election cycle, Clinton misjudged how strong the progressive current was among the populace. She thought she'd have no difficulty winning the nomination as the 20%-right-of-center politician (save on women's issues) that she is.

Now that she's figured out that her chances of getting into the Oval Office as a "guilty-as-charged" moderate are slim, she's suddenly a progressive.

And anyone who dares to point out that flip-flop will piss her off.

[SoapBox]

22. Whatever it is, she's a mess...

Messages all over the place as well as her stances...she'll say anything to get elected.

Trust her? Nope.

[bvf]

23. Nothing like having to rely

on a few coin flips (in order to keep alive the political fortune you just months ago thought was inevitable) to put you near the edge, especially with New Hampshire on the front burner.

Think she wishes Lee Atwater was still available? I'll bet Bill does. Maybe a séance would help...

[sabrina 1]

24. You're not missing anything. She is not used to being held accountable for her own words

or actions, so when she calls herself a Progressive this weekend, many people, Bernie included, were shocked since they REMEMBER these things.

Maybe she thinks we don't remember. I would have asked her that question since it really stood out to me that suddenly she wants to identify with Progressives when she seemed quite happy to NOT identify with them just months ago.

There is no controversary. It is perfectly fair to remind people of their own words, then and now.

[EdwardBernays]

26. No one likes

When their lies and political machinations are exposed.

[Deny and Shred]

27. These viscious attacks are why we can't vote for Bernie

We want to talk issues like electability, and Bernie's gun control vote, and ... well ... that's about it.

Its a Low Blow to point out Sec. Clinton's actual words, her actual votes, her formerly held positions that are in contrast to her current ones, linking to her speeches, pointing out the millions from her donors, show some class. We are SUCH victims.

Besides, SCOTUS & he's a socialist.

[Fumesucker]

32. Nicely done...

[RiverLover]

33. But you can vote for a person who can't tell the truth.

That makes sense!

[Flying Squirrel]

35. She's saying, "Look! I'm a girl and he's hitting me!"

It's a coded message.

[Lorien]

37. She's nowhere close to being a "moderate Centrist"

Hillary's legacy of pushing the party to the right: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Chomsky: Democrats are now moderate Republicans: http://trofire.com/2015/09/23/noam-chomsky-dems-are-now-moderate-repugs-republicans-are-now-off-the-spectrum-of-reality/

The political compass: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016