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Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:00 PM

PPP National Poll: Romney collapsing, Santorum surging with + 15 point lead.

Everything seems to be going bad in a hurry for Romney;

PPP is showing Santorum leading in Romney's childhood home of Michigan (2008 had 51%), Is showing a weak third in Georgia and may get embarassed today in Maine.

Now PPP is showing that Santorum is becoming the consensus conservative candidate;




http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/santorum-surges-into-the-lead.html

Riding a wave of momentum from his trio of victories on Tuesday Rick Santorum has opened up a wide lead in PPP's newest national poll. He's at 38% to 23% for Mitt Romney, 17% for Newt Gingrich, and 13% for Ron Paul.

Part of the reason for Santorum's surge is his own high level of popularity. 64% of voters see him favorably to only 22% with a negative one. But the other, and maybe more important, reason is that Republicans are significantly souring on both Romney and Gingrich. Romney's favorability is barely above water at 44/43, representing a 23 point net decline from our December national poll when he was +24 (55/31). Gingrich has fallen even further. A 44% plurality of GOP voters now hold a negative opinion of him to only 42% with a positive one. That's a 34 point drop from 2 months ago when he was at +32 (60/28).

Santorum is now completely dominating with several key segments of the electorate, especially the most right leaning parts of the party. With those describing themselves as 'very conservative,' he's now winning a majority of voters at 53% to 20% for Gingrich and 15% for Romney. Santorum gets a majority with Tea Party voters as well at 51% to 24% for Gingrich and 12% for Romney. And with Evangelicals he falls just short of a majority with 45% to 21% for Gingrich and 18% for Romney



Mitt its time to get out the money and start destroying Santorum.

Its what you do Mitt.

Just pretend he's Seamus.

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Reply PPP National Poll: Romney collapsing, Santorum surging with + 15 point lead. (Original post)
grantcart Feb 2012 OP
Douglas Carpenter Feb 2012 #1
sharp_stick Feb 2012 #2
LonePirate Feb 2012 #3
grantcart Feb 2012 #5
arely staircase Feb 2012 #8
Moonwalk Feb 2012 #4
Kahuna Feb 2012 #6
oberliner Feb 2012 #7
grantcart Feb 2012 #10
oberliner Feb 2012 #12
grantcart Feb 2012 #14
oberliner Feb 2012 #16
grantcart Feb 2012 #17
Hippo_Tron Feb 2012 #13
grantcart Feb 2012 #15
Hippo_Tron Feb 2012 #29
aaaaaa5a Feb 2012 #9
Ian62 Feb 2012 #30
corkhead Feb 2012 #11
Ian62 Feb 2012 #20
Ian62 Feb 2012 #21
zbdent Feb 2012 #18
Ian62 Feb 2012 #22
zbdent Feb 2012 #23
Ian62 Feb 2012 #25
zbdent Feb 2012 #27
Ian62 Feb 2012 #19
Ian62 Feb 2012 #24
grantcart Feb 2012 #26
zbdent Feb 2012 #28

Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:02 PM

1. alhamdulillah

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:03 PM

2. Watching these assholes

flop around like a fish on the deck of a boat looking for someone, anyone, to challenge Romney is priceless.

Personally I hope it shatters the shit out of the Republican party, having the fundies going after the establishment could derail their greedy lying line of bullshit for a generation.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:19 PM

3. How are "very conservative," "Tea Party" and "Evangelical" three distinct voting blocs?

Aren't they all three sides of the very same triangle?

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:27 PM

5. self identification

Having been raised in that community I believe that DU suffers from a very superficial view of Evangelicals from media presentations.

In the same way that Muslims are nothing like what is seen on TV most Evangelicals are nothing like the TV personalities that people see.

There are moderate and liberal Evangelicals, and moderate Evangelical Universities like Wheaton, Whitworth and Westmont that no one knows about but produces graduates that are concerned about service, the environment and the poor. Even the conservative Evangelical is more three dimensional than the media portrayal.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:43 PM

8. this is all very true

I live in a very evangelical and right-wing part of the country so I know the various flavors. I know liberal evangelicals and I know atheist tea baggers.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:24 PM

4. Damn it! You mean I have to update my dance card again? I was so sure....

...we'd finally settled on Romney. This is getting tedious. I have to keep putting my arguments with conservatives on hold because they don't know whose name to use when they crow at me that Obama's going to lose to "him." *Sigh* I've had enough. Wake me when it's over

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:28 PM

6. I am so loving this.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:28 PM

7. Reports of Romney's demise are greatly exaggerated

 

It's all about money and organization - Romney has them all beat in both categories. He will be the nominee. This is all to sell tickets to CNN and Fox.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:44 PM

10. If its all about the money then you need to start buying Romney on Intrade


There is a massive sell off and he's down to 27%.

The people who actually do put their money into it aren't agreeing with you.

The thing about money is sometimes it works against you.

Romney's positives have gone down 23 points in a few weeks, and money isn't going to get that back.

And finally Ross Perot and Forbes both had a lot of money too.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:13 PM

12. Romney is at 70 percent on Intrade

 

I think you got your numbers reversed.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:28 PM

14. Presidential numbers


If he gets the nomination those numbers will go up to 40-45 at least for a while.

I wouldn't buy Romney for the nomination because there is very little upside. You risk a lot to get a little if he gets the nomination.

If you think that Romney is going to get the nomination then you should buy Romney in the Presidential market because there is a much greater profit to be made than on the nomination market.

Not much point in buying Romney in the nomination market. You risk 70 for a small potential gain.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:37 PM

16. Where is your Intrade money?

 

Have you invested?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:44 PM

17. lol no


I have a big IRS liability I am working off.

I have to say that Romney's Presidential numbers look very inticing to me.

Even though I don't think he will get the nomination I do believe that he will rebound at sometime enough to bring that 27% up, I mean that is a staggering low number for somebody that is supposed to be a presumptive nominee of a major party. The thing is those PPP numbers on his negative numbers, a 23 point decline in just a few weeks, is making the investors skittish. Still if you buy at 27% you won't lose much as long as you sell before he quits, on the other hand if he spends his money and comes up a 10 points you will have made 33%

All of this is free advice and that shows what it is worth, nothing.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:22 PM

13. Romney's at 69% on intrade

When he loses the Maine caucus and goes down a bit, I'll probably buy some shares on Intrade.

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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:28 PM

15. Presidential numbers


If he gets the nomination those numbers will go up to 40-45 at least for a while.

I wouldn't buy Romney for the nomination because there is very little upside. You risk a lot to get a little if he gets the nomination.

If you think that Romney is going to get the nomination then you should buy Romney in the Presidential market because there is a much greater profit to be made than on the nomination market.

Not much point in buying Romney in the nomination market. You risk 70 for a small potential gain.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:57 PM

29. Well Romney's apparently won the Maine caucus and gone up 10 points while I was taking a long nap

But still a $10 return on $7 is a pretty decent return. I was going to wait for it to drop to $6 to get a better return. I don't know if I'd play the GE because I don't think I know the GE better than the markets do. If I did, I would almost certainly dump before November. I can't in good conscience bet on somebody I loathe winning an election that could go either way.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 01:44 PM

9. I wonder if Romney will even beat Ron Paul tonight? nt

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Response to aaaaaa5a (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 09:08 PM

30. GOP decided to stop counting once Romney was in the lead

 

http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-national/maine-caucus-results-a-vote-of-no-confidence

The cancer of corruption runs throughout GOP.
They don't even want to count their own voters.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 02:06 PM

11. all three segments of the republicon elecorate:

the batshit crazy, the religiously insane, and the filthy rich. Michigan has an open primary.

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Response to corkhead (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:31 PM

20. Encourage Dem's to participate then, in the GOP vote

 

I am sure they all love Mittens "I woudn't have bailed out the auto industry"

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Response to Ian62 (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:34 PM

21. We want u to vote in the GOP election

 

Don't know who we want u to vote for yet - but it won't be Mittens. Will keep u posted.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:23 PM

18. So ... after spending time in the rear, Santorum explodes from behind?

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Response to zbdent (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:36 PM

22. Do u know how funny your header is? LOL nm

 

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Response to Ian62 (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:39 PM

23. um ... yes ...

1. That was the intent.

2. I'm surprised nobody else posted a similar reply on this thread.

and

3. You're not being sarcastic, are you?

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Response to zbdent (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 05:34 PM

25. Nope I was wondering if it was deliberate

 

or an accident. And u just confirmed the former.
I will be watching out for anything else posted by you. I shud read it

And think about it a bit more before replying - unlike the other 1.
No problems this end either

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Response to Ian62 (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:32 PM

27. I'm hit or miss ...

I've seen enough where I've missed.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:28 PM

19. wingnuts

 

Just goes to show u how nutty GOP voters are if they are voting for a corrupt unchristian wingnut like frothy.
But O needs to help frothy and bash Mittens and drag GOP fighting out.
Frothy might have one wealthy backer - Mittens got hundreds.
Also need to help slimeball Newt stay in and drag it out.

Or do u think O could not beat frothy in Nov?
Frothy least electable GOP candidate.

Frothy cannot win anyhows.
He is not even on the ballot for states with a combined total of 564 delegates. And neither is slimeball.

But what wud O say to a brokered GOP convention with 4 candidates still in and no one with a large lead? GOP wud go mental. Best result for O is 25% each. That is not gonna happen - but O can get it closer to that if he thinks about it.

O already got most of this figured out. He is only running ads that attack Mittens.
Spending some cash now in close races attacking Mittens wud save cash later.
Takes a while for any reasoned thought to sink into your average GOP voter. But they can be played. Like someone else posted earlier

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 03:41 PM

24. Spanish Inquisition

 

Frothy reminds me more than a little of the Spanish Inquisition. They called themselves christian too.
He also reminds me of the mad ayatollah's in Iran trying to ram religion down people's throats and dogmatic religion at that. Neither adhere to basic tenets of their faith.

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Response to Ian62 (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:02 PM

26. I didn't expect that

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Response to grantcart (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:37 PM

28. GOP - gRipping Off Python (the g is silent)

"Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, fear, fear, fear, racial bigotry, and above all else, fear!"

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