2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary denounced MoveOn at a private fundraiser but told a very different story in public.
Maybe this is why her high dollar donor class feels so comfortable when she employs populist rhetoric when speaking to the rest of us. It's just rhetoric.
Here's what she said about MoveOn at a private fundraiser in 2008 (that wasn't quite as private as she might have hoped).
I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who show up there to support me.
Here's what she told MoveOn during a public conference call.
You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up the standards that we should set for ourselves. I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better - both online and in the corridors of power.
H2O Man
(73,510 posts)a member/supporter of MoveOn for years, as have many of my family and friends.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)What a long time ago that was.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in spite of what she claims, she does not like progressives.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And no she surely doesn't like Moveon or progressives or activists. You can really hear it in her voice when she's talking about us.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)not Obama, not Goldman-Sachs, not even Biden. We are not part of the cool kids, the in-crowd.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)It's reality. We are only good for them when we can help them otherwise we can't even get lip service...they hate us.
Fuck them.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)I think they straight up despise us. Do you think for one moment that any of Hillarys high dollar talks to the financial industry don't include a healthy dose of left-bashing? Id bet anything its one of the reasons she wont release the text of a single speech.
But they all want our votes though, dont they.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)scapegoat (Nader) than reach out to lowly progressives.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)From the consequences of of his own lies, he was giving the farm away to corporations and the 1%.
And they both have made very clear that support from groups like MoveOn did not mean jack shit to them. From Bill's obsequious sucking up to the Bush family to her sneering remarks about MoveOn, it's plain that they regard progressive Democrats as useful idiots who will support them no matter how often they kick us in the nads.
Because what choice do we have, right? We don't want Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Bernie Sanders has given us an opportunity to call their bluff.
Uncle Joe
(58,297 posts)Thanks for the thread, pa.
angrychair
(8,682 posts)I take exception. Guess that's why we voted to endorse Sanders
kath
(10,565 posts)Gah. Can. Not. Stand. Her.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Queen of Camp Weathervane.
I can't stand her, and I'm a woman. I mean I really, really can't stand her.
kath
(10,565 posts)Haven't spoke with the sister who is on the cusp between boomers and GenX since October. at that point she was one of those "I like Bernie but do you really think he can win types". I'm hoping she will move into Bernie's camp, if she hasn't already.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)It needs to stick as it also refers to transfer of her shifting progressive talking points to Republican metal.
http://scienceandfilm.org/articles/2571/liquid-metal-terminator-genisys
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Just standing next to Bernie, a man of unimpeachable integrity and consistency, makes her look bad. When the MSM puts a microphone in his face and asks about her inconsistencies, he answers in a straightforward manner. But make no mistake, it is her inconsistencies that are causing her grief. That's entirely her fault and her problem.
Divernan
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Frankly, those sons and daughters of B>>>>>> are here to destroy any effort to support Bernie.
And if you notice the gnu members, there are a ton of assholes coming here solely for that purpose.
kath
(10,565 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)That's about all she has going these days.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)and fundraisers.
Not fit for public consumption I have NO doubt whatsoever.
She's just like Mittens in that regard.
Wow.
Priceless.
Thanks.
pa28
(6,145 posts)I'd like to read the transcripts of the private speeches she gave to Goldman and other financial institutions but she won't release them for some reason. Too bad.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)or transcripts.
Free the beasts!!
To me, these comments by Hillary Clinton (that I've never seen before) is her Mitt Romney 47% moment. That Romney release showed us what he kept hidden during his campaign in a way that only listening and watching for oneself can do.
pa28
(6,145 posts)She seems to share a really easy rapport with high dollar contributors she seems to lack with the great unwashed. Let's have her release those transcripts and see if we're both getting the same story.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Moveon under that bus many here seems to be talking about.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Love to see some videos of those quarter million dollar speeches.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)from all that business and get to the issues that affect citizens.
Correct me, if I'm wrong.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)she deserves in her own mind. The days of this are over with youtube, internet and what not. The days of two faced lying are over with smartphones that can record everything.
I believe she is beginning to jump the shark.
marmar
(77,056 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Expose this corporatist chameleon for what she really is.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Despite what she might say in campaign speeches or debates.
I truly hope she loses this primary.
There is so much at stake here, and she will turn her back forcefully on us (she already has on several key areas) as soon as she gets the nomination locked up.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)So this is no surprise.
kath
(10,565 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)And it makes no difference to many of her supporters because they don't care if she lies. They don't care if she supports war on innocent nations. They don't care if she spouts racist memes or uses sexism as a crutch.
All that matters for some is making sure a woman gets into the White House because "IT'S HER TURN!!!!"
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)merbex
(3,123 posts)That someone from the NH in the next few days gets up and asks her a question and has this video ready to play on their phone.
If we never get the text from her speeches, or a video or audio from those high dollar Davos like events THIS is the next best thing.
See what she would say. Or even a reaction - preface it with how Moveon was originated - and she speaks ill of it?
Some could make the argument that Moveon allowed she and her husband to even GET those speaking fees.......last impeached President, or almost impeached, Nixon, he certainly wasn't being invited or getting those fees. He wrote a book and iirc he sat down with David Frost.
The Clintons have made corporate speech making a cottage industry.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)who want to keep us out of wars and stuff like that...
This illustrates why it's hard to put any stock out of anything that comes out of her mouth.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)From this statement it sounds like she might be the source of the disinfo about the "Bernie Bros" that she claims are bothering/harassing her supporters online :
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)It makes me wonder what she's said to her stans at hundreds of other speeches and fundraisers.