Official Debate Thread 1

[TexasTowelie]

[TCJ70]

1. Thanks, Texas!

[TexasTowelie]

321. A belated you're welcome.

I just started things up and got out of the way.

[valerief]

2. Thank you! nt

[TexasTowelie]

322. You're welcome.

Glad to be of service.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

3. Let's go. I am so excited. nt

[firebrand80]

4. Bernie into full pissed-off mode in 10 seconds flat

[brooklynite]

6. Indeed, I think I've heard this message before.

[firebrand80]

16. He's got 30 years of meassage discipline nt

[libdem4life]

156. Consistency does set him apart...beats "all over the map" IMO, any day.

[frylock]

249. It must be so exciting to hear your candidate say something different every day.

[brooklynite]

254. More a matter of tweaking the words for the audience...

[RoccoR5955]

19. It's better than being pissed on! n/t

[Gregorian]

24. I know. He takes about ten minutes to calm down.

[Gregorian]

5. Here we go again...

[Motown_Johnny]

7. Hillary attacking the economy under Pres. Obama?

Shame on her.

[Champion Jack]

8. Is this streaming anywhere?

[restorefreedom]

13. tytnetwork....young turks

audio only but no matthews!

[TCJ70]

14. Yep...here...

... http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc2/watch/live-msnbc-democratic-candidates-debate-615981635659?icid=breaking

[Champion Jack]

23. Thanks

[GoneFishin]

47. Youtube "live stream 5th democratic debate"

[pangaia]

65. here--

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc2/watch/live-msnbc-democratic-candidates-debate-615981635659

[uhnope]

295. msnbc.com live

[restorefreedom]

9. stsrt over again???

health care


STOP LYING, HILLARY G* DAMMIT

[pangaia]

53. AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I could SPIT !!!

BERNIE,, come on, tell her the stop it !!!

[restorefreedom]

64. he called her bullshit. who hoo nt

[wordpix]

305. whatever sticks against the wall

stop it, Hillary!

[restorefreedom]

311. yup. nt

[cyberswede]

10. Substance-free post:

I like Bernie's hair better when it's crazy-looking.

I love Hillary's voice.

Now...can't wait to hear what they say.

[Joe the Revelator]

32. I was going to say.....I miss crazy hair Bernie.

[firebrand80]

50. Next step: better clothing nt

[winter is coming]

131. Yeah, I like the crazy hair, too. n/t

[wordpix]

307. Hillary's voice is grating tonight but she's made some points

I'm for Bernie all the way

[Punkingal]

11. The bullshit starting over lie from Hillary.

[TCJ70]

12. With as respectful as these two are towards each other...

...this should be a really good back and forth.

[Punkingal]

15. She doesn't want Donald Trump's kids going to school free.

[Trajan]

147. That argument is so lame

I don't want them walking the fucking streets, but, in the end, they are citizens with all the rights thereof ...

Stupid fucking argument ... I wish I could tell her that personally ...

[notadmblnd]

17. Now look who's promising the moon.

[Gregorian]

18. I think town hall is better. This lends itself to rehearsed sound bites.

[TCJ70]

20. Chuck needs to follow this up with...

...Ok, but how will YOU do it?

[Nanjeanne]

22. Oh you silly dreamer you.

[TCJ70]

25. I mean, she didn't even answer the question...

...she just went on about what she wants to do without addressing how.

[Nanjeanne]

41. I know - but Chuckie will never follow up with a question like that to Clinton - only to Bernie

[Motown_Johnny]

30. Specifically, how do you get health care coverage to the homeless?

She won't be able to answer that since people need to prove they qualify for it. People without an address or an ID will never be able to do that.

[OrwellwasRight]

21. How dare she!

"I want every American to have healthcare." But what about "universal healthcare will NEVER, EVER happen"? She cannot have it both ways.

What a bunch of BS, how will we control college costs? Um, Europe does. We're talking about public school, not Hah-vahd, lady!

[frylock]

36. 18 million people have healthcare..

No! 18 million people have health INSURANCE!

[OrwellwasRight]

88. What? It bothers you that you pay premiums

but can't get an appointment with a doctor?

You demand too much! Become a practical progressive that "gets things done"!

LOL!

[OrwellwasRight]

26. How do you pay for public colleges?

It is called TAXES. These things exist, Hillary, or have you forgotten?

[frylock]

255. She doesn't want Trump's kids to go to college for free with the taxes that Trump paid.

[OrwellwasRight]

262. So she actually is villifying the rich!

The point of universal programs is that they are universal. that means they cover all of us, and all of us should buy in the support the program. She doesn't get that.

[restorefreedom]

27. bernie killing it on health care and college

and said he repsects hillary irrespective of all the media drama


class act all the way

[KentuckyWoman]

28. Why doesn't she get it...... COVERAGE is not HEALTHCARE.

The privilege of paying 10% of your income on premiums only to be forced to choose NOT to obtain needed medical care because of the out of pocket costs is not "HEALTHCARE".

"Universal coverage" doesn't mean shit.

[Avalux]

37. She doesn't get it because she's never had to go through it. EVER. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

40. Universal coverage means

more money for the insurance companies afaic.
Bernie wants to get rid of the damn health insurance companies.

[OrwellwasRight]

70. She knows this.

She does not believe in Medicare for All because it would unenrich the big Wall Street insurance companies like MetLife (one of the TPP's biggest supporters).

And she better watch it on this immigration reform. Bernie voted with labor because Kennedy's bill was a huge mistake that empowered employers to use H1-Bs to undercut workers already here. The "progressive" position reforms immigration but also protects workers and doesn't sell out to Cape Cod employers that want to bring in temporary foreign workers for summer jobs!

[Gregorian]

29. Bernie's a hit! First applause of the night.

[RoccoR5955]

31. Clinton wants to work on healthcare

but she does not tell us how she is going to do this. Bernie on the other hand has a total plan.

[firebrand80]

33. I'm loving the one-on-one nt

[restorefreedom]

34. bernie calling her bullshit on the aca...

go bernie!,!

[frylock]

46. That was nice. Talking point dead.

[restorefreedom]

59. yup. nt

[KentuckyWoman]

72. The look on her face

She knew he made a hit.

[OrwellwasRight]

137. Except that she'll probably bring it up tomorrow...

[frylock]

258. Maybe even later in the debate!

[OrwellwasRight]

260. i really think she is being especially unlikable this evening.

It's too bad.

[frylock]

264. Highlights are not going to be good for her.

Still laughing at her response last night about the speaking funds.

[Cali_Democrat]

128. You mean the ACA he voted for? nt

[frylock]

259. Yeah, that ACA.

[Gregorian]

35. And here we have an example of a Dem with a spine. Fight back, Bernie!

[Joe the Revelator]

38. The ACA is not working in the middle.

Its honestly not.

[Cheese Sandwich]

39. Sanders: We still have 29 million people uninsured

[bettyellen]

42. Why is Bernie yelling?

[firebrand80]

57. Why do birds fly?

[frylock]

58. Why is Hillary?

[bettyellen]

67. Yeah, I see that. They are both much louder than yesterday.

[winter is coming]

126. Too many years giving speeches in rooms with shitty or nonexistent PA systems. n/t

[bettyellen]

140. They are both a little too loud tonight!

[firebrand80]

163. He's more is a street corner soapbox guy nt

[brooklynite]

43. Has Sanders ever defined "speculation"?

My wife and I invest in mutual funds every month, and put some of our earnings into our 401(K)s. Are we speculating?

[firebrand80]

76. Not that I can recall

Pretty sure he wouldn't go after retirement plans and such

[pangaia]

44. I am SICK of her saying START ALL OVER again with health care !!!!!

She says it over and over and over and it is pure bullshit and a lie !!

[Cleita]

94. It is an outright lie. Anyone with a brain can see that. eom

[laruemtt]

45. God, I despise

that look on her face when she's looking at him when he's talking, like she's barely tolerating him.

[RoccoR5955]

48. WTF can Clinton get done

if she has not shown us her plans?

[Gregorian]

49. Next question: You're not as bad as those things Bernie's calling you are you? Nooooo..

[flamingdem]

51. Both answers are correct

We need the ACA to become Medicare for all but it's amazing we got this far with the Republicans and it could bog down anyone and lead to failure due to the Republicans.

[Cassiopeia]

52. Donald Trump's kids are never going to go to a CC or state school.

I'm tired of that bullshit line.

[Motown_Johnny]

54. Hillary deflecting the question. She isn't a progressive and she knows it.

[restorefreedom]

55. hillary yammering about defintions

getting nasty

waiting for bernies comeback

[bettyellen]

56. Whoop, she went Wellstone. True that. They are both fiery! Love it.

[uponit7771]

60. GET IT GIRL!!!! Sanders doesn't pass his own purity test!!!

[livetohike]

71. Slam dunk! n/t

[polichick]

61. She sounds angry.

[bigdarryl]

252. Well didn't Bernie say he was angry a couple of days ago

And the theme of his campaign is his supporters are angry so what's your point on Hillary being angry or you just don't like her

[polichick]

269. Just commenting. A few posts down I said he's angry too.

[uhnope]

313. She practically lost control of herself. Not presidential

[TCJ70]

62. The definition of progressive is not worthy of a public debate...

...it's a word that has a million different meanings to a million different people.

[Avalux]

78. I wholeheartedly agree with you. n/t

[winter is coming]

209. This OP from earlier today deserves more attention than it's received.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1139514

The OP argues that this is what we should be asking, instead of who is/isn't "progressive":

For whom do we want the government to work?

[RoccoR5955]

63. Where is Clinton's "specific agenda?"

I know where Bernie's is. It's at feelthebern.org.

[brooklynite]

80. So you're saying I won't find it at Bernie Sanders' own website?

That seems like a problem. Plenty of detail at hillaryclinton.com

[RoccoR5955]

91. you can find it at Bernie's webite too

But feelthebern.org has it right there in front of your face.

[RoccoR5955]

108. Yeah, general detail. no specifics.

Bernie has specifics, like how he's going to pay for these things. I looked on clinton's site, and saw none.

[questionseverything]

265. healthcare sheet is about 4 paragraphs long

she gives no details at all

[ViseGrip]

66. I like her less tonight. "we are the same on universal healthcare". she's full of it.

[restorefreedom]

69. yes, but she is getting applause

with a stacked audience.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

81. The debate is at the University of New Hampshire. This is Bernie's base. nt

[restorefreedom]

87. depends on who was seated. nt

[Samantha]

319. Many people got tickets who just are DNC'ers

That is how they were described in the intro.

Sam

[restorefreedom]

320. mmmmm makes sense. thx nt

[Gregorian]

68. She polished her speech, but Bernie has the cruel reality of this economy on his side.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

73. Hillary is on her game. Her progressive answer was spot on. nt

[firebrand80]

113. She does better after she takes a punch

I noticed that in 2008

[polichick]

74. He sounds angry too.

[dana_b]

99. he should be n/t

[polichick]

125. I know - just being fair, since I said she sounded angry.

[Joe the Revelator]

75. Everyone wants to be a progressive until its time to do real progressive shit.

[restorefreedom]

84. ana nails it.

Ana Kasparian ?@AnaKasparian
That's right Hillary, Obama is not progressive, just like you. #DemDebate

[JRLeft]

143. Agreed!

[KentuckyWoman]

115. Yup.

Easy to get all hot and bothered over a word ........ harder to step it up regardless of the blabber.

[OrwellwasRight]

116. Preach it!

Ain't it the truth!

And she is the one who called herself the moderate.

[frylock]

282. word

[JudyM]

77. she may support the brady bill but shes got both guns blazing.

[uponit7771]

79. Sanders NON ANSWER!!!

[TCJ70]

85. Agreed...

...especially when there's a perfectly good one: Secretary Clinton, if you're going to take the label, you need to define and defend it.

[uponit7771]

86. He's about to step in it!! Or... dodge the question again

[bettyellen]

96. This whole line sucks, but both are doing well without being assholes.

[laruemtt]

82. When she gets going

with her yammering voice, I'm so grateful for the mute button. With all her millions, why has no one ever approached her about working on her voice? She's certainly got the $ for voice lessons, which might make her a little more tolerable to listen to.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

117. her voice sounds tighter than it used to.

I don't hear vocal fry or going up in pitch at the end of a sentence. I hear serious tension which sounds annoying.

[bettyellen]

83. Ouch, will he define Obama now? I bet he will not. She said, he said, oh nooo.

[uponit7771]

92. LOL !!! Now Obama is a progressive after proffering Obama be primaried

[Gregorian]

89. Bernie knows what's riding on this. It's no wonder he sounds excited.

[DesertRat]

90. My 84 yr old mother: "Why is Bernie always yelling? He's getting on my nerves." nt

[Joe the Revelator]

103. She has selective hearing if she didn't ask you the same thing about Hillary.

Both are loud tonight.

[Cleita]

121. Maybe she needs to turn down the volume. eom

[DesertRat]

129. It's not about volume. n/t

[cyberswede]

93. The moderators really want to create controversy, don't they.

I blame Chuck, not Rachel.

[bettyellen]

111. Yep, all they want to do is sow division. Bleech. Sounds like they are trying to turn it around.

[OrwellwasRight]

95. Is Hillary flip flopping on the TPP already?

She won't even talk about it!!!

[frylock]

283. What TPP?

Don't know what you're talking about.

[OrwellwasRight]

308. Exactly --

Oh wait, is Rachel going to FINALLY ask about it?????

[rufus dog]

97. Team Hillary better hope they don't use too many split screens

When he is talking she has a pissy look on her face. He does much better with the optics.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

166. Exactly!

She opens her eyes widely when she looks at him. Yeah she is pissed.

[valerief]

98. This "label" shit in a debate is nonsense. Its one thing for us to quibble over it

but it's shit in a debate.

[dana_b]

107. yes!!! he moderators love it though n/t

[valerief]

130. They brought it up. The candidates didn't. nt

[pangaia]

100. Bernie doesn't just throw out talking points.

He explains stuff..

[frylock]

101. Bernie brings up the vid of Hillary calling herself moderate.

BOOM!

[bettyellen]

122. Boom? LOL. Interesting.

[frylock]

290. Boom

[bettyellen]

293. Chacka locka!

[frylock]

297. High five!

[bettyellen]

301. High five! Good debate so far!

[frylock]

303. Spirited!

Woo boy!

[bettyellen]

310. I turned down the volume, LOL. But HELL YEAH.

[frylock]

314. The commercials are quieter!

[Gregorian]

102. She's going to mother Bernie to death.

[Punkingal]

104. Talking about her scars again...

[Renew Deal]

105. The argument over labels is a waste of time.

The issues are lost over an argument that belongs on DU.

[dana_b]

112. agree!!

[TCJ70]

138. I subscribe to Norman Goldmans view on labels...

...leave them at the door. Look at the policy positions to decide one way or the other.

[Duckhunter935]

106. did she just outright lie?

She said she was guilty of being a moderate not a progressive who gets things done.

[Bonobo]

109. And before it was called "HillaryCare", it was called "RomneyCare"! nt

[frylock]

123. Oooops!

[restorefreedom]

145. oh, snap. nt

[restorefreedom]

110. senator sanders wants to distinguish himself, i understand thst...

could she BE more condescending?

[Joe the Revelator]

114. Here is it is in all its glory

?t=21s


She said what she said.

[JudyM]

118. she is being freaking arrogant.

[JudyM]

167. good answer, bernie!

[restorefreedom]

119. only candidate with no superpacs

biggest applause of the night!

[polichick]

135. She can't spin that.

[Gregorian]

120. Definite sensation of Bern occurring.

[OrwellwasRight]

124. She is mad that she doesn't have the grassroots support that Bernie does.

Look at her face when he talked about his contributors!

[uponit7771]

133. She does have the grassroots support this election, just not from the same people Sanders is pulling

... and it's grassroots too

[OrwellwasRight]

146. Goldman Sachs and Tom Steyer

Super grassrootsy. I forgot.

[frylock]

296. Gotta be some grassroots over at Monsanto

[TCJ70]

127. Walk the walk, Hillary!

Get with it!

[Joe the Revelator]

132. Is Rachel's job to attack Bernie tonight?

Like her only job?

[pangaia]

134. 1988 "The Democrat was the spoiler."

[frylock]

302. That was funny!

[frylock]

136. Audience breaks up at Bernie's spoiler joke and Hillary doesn't even crack a smile.

bleep blorp

[islandmkl]

139. i have always been...no, scratch that...i am now____________

....what he said

[OrwellwasRight]

155. LOL!

[ViseGrip]

141. Rachel is an azzhole. she sounds ignorant, trying to paint Bernie not a real democrat.

[KentuckyWoman]

162. I want Bernie...... bit it's a fair question.

He's got to get Congress and Senate with him to get it done........ along with the vast majority of Americans driving their reps crazy.

[bullwinkle428]

142. 50-state strategy...about freaking time!

[Recursion]

144. Boy, he's a lot more persuasive in his speech than in his debating

At least to me

[bettyellen]

158. this is weird, they are so close to each other, yet using the split screen?

Ugh, the establishment. When he put PP there I cringed. PP is under attack, for fucks sake.

[Motown_Johnny]

148. Hillary keeps name dropping. Can't she stand on her own?

[dana_b]

152. nope!

SHe NEEDS the entire establishment to keep up with him!!

[jillan]

149. It's Lets Attack Bernie night on msnbc

No surprise with Chuckle and Rachel narrating

[bettyellen]

177. Rachel Maddow is pro Bernie, but not enough I guess?

[jillan]

196. Oh no she is not. It was her that took his words

Out of context about her endorsements

[LittleBlue]

150. Hillary is down to listing endorsements and conlcuding "we'll get things done!"

Jesus Christ this is bad.

[TCJ70]

151. WOW...she's trying to out endorse him...

...good grief does she know how that looks?

[islandmkl]

153. I'm enough like the Repubs that I guarantee that I will get along with them...

[Gregorian]

154. Bernie just hung the anchor of establishment around Hillary's neck. Yes!

[dana_b]

159. smart

[ViseGrip]

157. It's okay for Hillary to work with Repubs and Indy's, but not Bernie?

[Joe the Revelator]

160. Howard Dean should be ashamed of being allowed to be used like this.

[polichick]

189. Really.

[restorefreedom]

161. gender card...that did not take long nt

[awake]

181. 24 min

[restorefreedom]

192. good timekeeping! might be a record! nt

[Motown_Johnny]

164. She is trying to throw him off by staring at him and it isn't working.

A very old trick, and not a good one.

[dana_b]

165. oh please.... try to make him seem sexist!!

[bettyellen]

184. When?

[valerief]

168. Hillary played the gender card. Bullshit. nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

186. yes.

Just because she's female she's progressive??? Bullcorn.

[Punkingal]

199. Denying that she is establishment.

[frylock]

169. I'm a woman

fresh take.

[nc4bo]

170. LMAO right on schedule - there goes the woman card.

Such a phony.

[jillan]

171. Take a drink! Hillary just said she is a woman

[azmom]

183. Woohoo. I love drinks.

[jillan]

213. Prepared to get drunk.

[azmom]

221. Hahaha.

[polichick]

172. The Clinton Machine is sure as hell the establishment!

[KentuckyWoman]

226. Now see i think that is one of her selling points.

Her claim to be able to get things done is BASED on the fact she's already got the inside track with the established order. She's got the contacts on Wall Street and big money. THAT is why she feels she is more able to get it done than Bernie can. He's outside the establishment and the whole point is she claims he can't get it all done because of that.

Instead of denial she should be crowing it from the rafters.

[polichick]

236. Yeah, she's bought and paid for. No thanks.

[KentuckyWoman]

250. Actually I'm for Bernie.

To me personally her establishment creds are the majority of the reason why I don't like her. It's just that IMHO if she's sincere about her talking points, then it stands to reason her establishment creds SHOULD be a major selling point in her campaign.


Sorry I didn't make that clear.

[polichick]

261. Oh, I see - you're exactly right!

[azmom]

173. Hillary trying to convince us she's not establishment.

[pangaia]

182. RIGHT !!O M G !!!!!!!!!!!

[CoffeeCat]

263. And even better

she's attempting to out-liberal a democratic socialist!

I mean, seriously!

[azmom]

267. Why Hillary? why?

[Joe the Revelator]

174. Oh jesus fucking christ.......

[Joe the Revelator]

187. The endorsed you because your family keeps a 'enemies' list

of people they will politically end. THAT is the establishment.

[Renew Deal]

175. Hillary has a message tonight. "Get things done"

[RoccoR5955]

176. If Hillary can get things done.

How come she couldn't get healthcare done when she was working on it?

[Madam Mossfern]

178. Is she saying that women can't be establishment?

Sorry, no matter what, this candidate just riles me.

[Gregorian]

179. She is irritating. The same feeling as I got from Bush.

[islandmkl]

180. it's real fucking amusing that the Establishment is fucking you all...

I'm pretty sure you all like it and don't want that to change

[frylock]

185. Hillary railing against tax and spend Democrats

lovely.

[Bonobo]

188. Meeeeee! They LIKE me!!!

[OrwellwasRight]

190. OMG! Sanders is the only person who would call you establishment?

Um, no. I'll also call you establishment.

"I won't talk to people about big ideas like single payer." Exactly -- that is why you are not interesting to me as a voter.

And you won't talk about raising my wages? OK, you go talk to Wall Street about raising theri profits and I will talk to someone who cares about my wages. Buh bye.

[pa28]

191. A woman running to be the first woman president.

Got it. She's a woman.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

193. Sander's face is very red. And his eyes are twitching. nt

[JudyM]

194. wow, i'm starting to really dislike her personally.

[polichick]

195. The poor me card.

[INdemo]

197. Listening to Hillary one has to decide knowing she is the poster child of

Big Banks,Wall Street and the Corporate Mafia,Is she telling the truth?The answer is no.
Tomorrow she will fall back being the moderate center right candidate she is..she is lying and the NH voters will recognize that..

[Motown_Johnny]

198. Bernie gets 30 seconds to respond but Hillary can jump right in with no time limit?

WTF????

[bettyellen]

227. they seem to be giving both of them whatever time it takes- as long as they are OT.

[Motown_Johnny]

237. They seem to keep trying to stop him but the moderators are silent when she jumps in.

[bettyellen]

244. I'm not seeing either of them reigning it in, LOL.

[Motown_Johnny]

247. They keep telling him "30 seconds" but don't say anything when she jumps in.

It keeps happening over and over again.

[bettyellen]

271. Neither of them have been sticking to the 30 seconds, that is for sure.

[Motown_Johnny]

270. See, Bernie wanted to respond but Rachel cut him off and asked a different question

[Motown_Johnny]

316. again she interrupted him and they let it go

[frylock]

200. Hillary: Come at me Berniebro!

[dana_b]

201. it's not insinuation - he's said it out loud!! Jeezus - doesn;t she listen?!

[Madam Mossfern]

202. She says that she's being attacked

Bernie, make her right.
Go after her for real now.

[bettyellen]

203. She is throwing down about the innuendo or "artful smear" , whoa.

[dana_b]

204. BOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[frylock]

223. Yeah wow!

[polichick]

205. She just jumped the shark.

[dana_b]

211. she's riding the sharks back!

[rurallib]

217. and I just turned it off

goddammit anyway.

[notadmblnd]

206. Hillary being booed

[frylock]

230. Brutal

[tomm2thumbs]

257. She just bought guaranteed re-plays of her BOO's for days - what is she thinking??

She asked for it and she's going to get it - big time.

[nc4bo]

207. Ooh hooo she had to work hard on that.nt

[OrwellwasRight]

210. How is it a smear to tell the truth about somebody?

She is making enemies tonight.

[Duppers]

242. Indeed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511139980

[ViseGrip]

212. Hillary is nasty, and I don't believe Hillary. Hillary not changed a vote over money?

[Duppers]

246. Good thread on that here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511139980

[frylock]

214. Woah dang! She is losing her shit!

[bettyellen]

215. Oh shit, he is complaining about Bill Clinton. Oh no.

[Joe the Revelator]

216. Is THIS really the argument she wants to make?

This is going to bite her?

[ViseGrip]

218. Boooooooo Hillary.

[RoccoR5955]

219. She took care of her constituents.

Her constituents consist of her donors.
She was very good to Wall Street bankers, and they rewarded her. It used to be called bribery.

[ErisDiscordia]

220. So, I tune in, just for the hell of it, and there she is, playing the attacked victim

and so, I turn it off.

Honest to goddess, what is wrong with that woman?

[dana_b]

222. Woo hoo!! Oh boy....

[Motown_Johnny]

224. BAM!!! Lobbying and Contributions affect the system!

[polichick]

225. Bernie speaking the truth - Clinton spinning.

[Punkingal]

228. Did she just get booed?

[questionseverything]

273. yep that was booing

[Bonobo]

229. Hillary was FOOLISH to open that can of worms!

She is now getting her ass handed to her.

And yeah, people KNOW they are being fucked, Hillary. They are not stupid.

[pangaia]

231. I can not listen to her any longer.

I will go upstairs and get back to reading "The War Of The Two Emperors."

di Buonaparte is nearing Borodino.

[rufus dog]

232. I will officially go on record

She can't win, she can't be questioned without melting down.

[Joe the Revelator]

233. Its not an insinuation if he's sitting there saying right to your face Hillary. nt

[awake]

234. 29 min Hillary starts talking about being a victim

[laruemtt]

235. Boy, she's full of herself.

You're not all that, Hill.

[dana_b]

238. She is losing it

[RoccoR5955]

239. She makes mistakes. It's called poor judgement.

She is losing this one big time!

[bettyellen]

240. Swaps and derivitives? Oops. Nothing about Boeing or guns though.

[islandmkl]

241. she should not pursue her 'defense' about the money...you know what he could say...

she's getting a pass, but for how much longer?

just one question, Bernie: "what did you tell GS, etc. in those $225K speeches?"

[Manifestor_of_Light]

243. ooooh!

The whole audience oohed after I did. When do they start throwing furniture like they do in Asia?

[JudyM]

245. red herring, red herring alert. she isn't responding to the issue.

[dana_b]

253. she talks about herself, the people who back her,

and accuses him of attacking her and infers that he is a sexist. She did mention a few things that she stood for, but mainly her tactics are to go after him. He has mainly talked about what he has done and what he stands for. Yes, he has had to defend himself too but that is not what he starts with or keeps on talking about

[OrwellwasRight]

248. Waaah, people have been attacking me!

It is so hard to be me.

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[Zynx]

266. Wait until the Republicans open up on Bernie. It's easy to do.

They're openly salivating over this. They're not remotely scared of him. They're almost crippled by their glee over facing him.

[OrwellwasRight]

272. Yeah, but he won't whine about it.

He will welcome their hatred.

[bettyellen]

274. LOL, like people here thinking Rachel is a sell out.

[Gregorian]

251. Debate Thread 2

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511143042#post36

[MrMickeysMom]

275. She doesn't believe in Glass Steagal, but Dodd Frank?

Jeebus

I guess a 21st century Glass Steagal legislation is not good enough?

Poor dear...

[awake]

256. Is it time for a new thread?

[TCJ70]

277. There already is one...

...no one notified this thread.

[islandmkl]

268. i told Wall Street they were going to have a big problem before the crash..

and, you won't really hear me say this, but now they pay me $200+K per speech to remind them that I tried to warn them and I am their friend who will keep them from having the same problem again

[INdemo]

276. Hillary is lying !!!

[polichick]

278. She's not really "likeable enough" tonite.

[uhnope]

291. condescending, playing victim, I'm not the establishment because I'm a woman

what's not to like?

[polichick]

294. He treats her as a human being, she treats him as a thing in her way.

[islandmkl]

279. Wall Street crime goes free, jail-wise...kid with pot goes to jail

...she can't keep up with his mantra....she cuts it sideways and then: OBAMA!

[islandmkl]

280. we're going to stop these guys....at $200K a pop, how long before she breaks them?

[uhnope]

281. Hillary condescending watch

[islandmkl]

288. too many speeches to know exactly what she might have said....

yeah, she was talking to Obama about Bin Laden and can't quite remember what she might have told Goldman Sachs...

[uhnope]

292. lol yr right. Release the speech transcripts!

[uhnope]

284. Hillary raising her voice and getting shrill watch

[RoccoR5955]

285. She spoke to a lot of different groups

and made a lot of different money from them.

[uhnope]

286. Hillary "you smear me!" watch

[SheenaR]

287. Fuck this

Will you release the transcripts?

I'll look into it

[polichick]

300. Meaning "Not a chance!"

[uhnope]

309. you want it when?

[frylock]

317. Someone will find them on a table outside her quarters in a couple years.

[INdemo]

289. The Dodd-Frank bill was also weakened because Wall St lobbyists

got amendments added and Obama signed a weaker bill that gave the Banks more lee-way

[INdemo]

298. Hillary did not answer the question about releasing her speech trnscripts...

No she didnt. She said she would look into it

[uhnope]

304. let me get back to you on that

don't call me I'll call you lol

[RoccoR5955]

299. You mean to tell me that she will not help her hedge fund son in law?

Next she will try to sell us a bridge.

[uhnope]

306. Hillary "I'm not establishment because I'm a woman" sub-thread

[INdemo]

312. The big questionis will NH voters see what many of us see

and that is Hillary Clinton is lying .Hillary stands with Wall St,Big Banks and Big pharmaceuticals and she is lying..
I think the NH voters are smart and they will see right through her.

[frylock]

315. Oh gee, warmongers raised concerns with Hillary about Bernie's FP chops.

Good.

[frylock]

318. Hillary's dismissive laugh is not going to play well to the folks in Peoria.

[WiffenPoof]

323. Here's the Thing...

Hillary stated more than once that "if" the banks act against the best interest of the people, she would "break" them up. If I were Bernie I would have said "IF?!" Do you really think that the banks are currently NOT screwing the people? The difference is that Bernie would break up the banks as a part of becoming President. Hillary would wait and see IF they needed breaking up. Sorry...not good enough.

-paige