Official Debate Thread 3

[TexasTowelie]

[uponit7771]

1. Hillary is at least going back at Sanders bullshit this time

[Flying Phoenix]

2. What bullshit?

So far Clinton's been the one throwing nothing but bullshit.

"I'll look into it" - great answer about releasing the transcripts of her Goldman-Sachs speeches.

[uponit7771]

5. His bullshit purity test that he can't pass

[OrwellwasRight]

13. He doesn't have a purity test.

That is something she made up. He said she called herself a moderate, and she called his truth telling a smear. She can't have it both ways. Either she is a moderate or she isn't. Deal.

[riversedge]

16. Oh, yes he does. He twitted out a LONG list yesterday. Where you been??

[OrwellwasRight]

24. Fighting the TPP.

Where YOU been?

[frylock]

84. *drops mic*

[OrwellwasRight]

91. Thank you!!

[morningfog]

46. That was a good list. He was right and you know it.

[LittleBlue]

6. Hillary is sputtering and nervous because she's guilty

She looks shaken because she is. Everything he said about her is true, nobody can reasonably deny it. I can't believe her supporters still cling to the belief that she isn't heavily influenced by Wall Street.

[uponit7771]

67. She looks pissedd... And authentic... That's good

[riversedge]

11. Yes, Hillary is onto Sanders bull. Keep up the good work Hillary

[Purveyor]

3. #illlookintoit

[tomm2thumbs]

4. Those BOO's are going to play on national news through the weekend - big fail on Hillary

She went too far and finally the audience had enough - accusing Bernie of smear attacks just shows that she has no idea of what is going on in the world, and she is in a bubble formed by her staff.

inauthentic accusations = inauthentic candidate

[riversedge]

15. More claps. Glad Hillary called Sanders out.

[MrMickeysMom]

99. SOS major accomplishment...

frequent flyer miles

[tomm2thumbs]

100. bwhaahahaha!!!

[SMC22307]

168. Did Bernie say that?

(I'm just getting home from work...)

[MrMickeysMom]

173. No... My snarky husband actually did!

But I got a laugh by stealing it!

[SMC22307]

191. Kudos to your snarky husband!

[karynnj]

194. and pivot to Asia ie TPP

[hexola]

7. Really good debate - bet the GOP is jealous!

Wow - meaningful exchanges on the issues...

I'm stunned!

Really don't think I've seen anything like this before...

[metroins]

69. Agreed

This is a real debate.

[beam me up scottie]

8. Iraq/ISIS

[JudyM]

9. she is persistently cutting him off the second he stops speaking. and keeps yelling over him.

[grossproffit]

14. How dare she!

[grossproffit]

10. Best debate ever.

[beam me up scottie]

12. She'll keep us safe at home?

[OrwellwasRight]

20. I'm already safe.

I don't need anyone to scare me into supporting militarism. She needs to peddle those wares elsewhere.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Vote for Hillary or the terrorists win!

[OrwellwasRight]

37. Everytime

Hillary says ISIS an angel gets it wings.

[beam me up scottie]

40. Ha! Perfect!

[Paulie]

17. Special forces are not combat troops

I leaned something today!

[valerief]

19. Private army. That's what dictators have. nt

[beam me up scottie]

21. Right, boots on the ground are not boots on the ground!

[restorefreedom]

25. yes, i am sure the dead special forces will be relieved to hear that

oh yeah they can't cuz they're DEAD, Hillary!

[restorefreedom]

18. oh good,war. her strong suit nt

[JudyM]

27. .

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Somebody told Bernie to modulate his voice.

[restorefreedom]

30. i think the strain on his vocal cords did that. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Probably. :)

[firebrand80]

23. #Moozlums

[RoccoR5955]

33. It's a Brooklyn accent you are hearing.

I find it offensive that you jab someone for his regional dialect.

[valerief]

43. Yeah, it's getting pretty old. nt

[firebrand80]

64. I find it offensive that you find it offensive

[RoccoR5955]

75. Hey, I am from Brooklyn

When someone slams one of my homeboys, of course I am offended.
Get a grip!

[MrMickeysMom]

117. I'm not from Brooklyn...

But, I'm from people who grew up there...

I find it insulting, too.

[RoccoR5955]

28. I agree with Bernie on the war thing

Saudi Arabia has the strongest military in the area. Where the hell are they in that fight? Why are they relying on the US to do their job?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

29. He's not answering the Afghanistan question... nt

[TCJ70]

34. Chuck asked him to predict the future...

...neither of them should directly answer that question.

[tomm2thumbs]

36. Hillary will do the same

[SheenaR]

32. #ReleaseTheTranscripts

[MrMickeysMom]

77. I should PM you as to how to do that

I'm almost literate...

And, we all know she should do just that!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

35. what a cage match!!!!!

[RoccoR5955]

38. "We cannot be the policemen of the world."

Great point that I totally agree with.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Word!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

47. He emphasizes that we are not the world's cops.

Always points out Saudi Arabia should be sending troops, not us.

[RKP5637]

65. Definitely!!! The US runs around in other countries while we fall apart at home. Sometimes, I think

it's done for MIC profits. If we ever had a lot of peace, there are going to be a lot of upset stockholders and lots of unemployment. Some days I think it's all a pathetic game of destruction, death and rebuilding, then the sales of arms.

[polichick]

41. Her tone is so bitter.

[riversedge]

51. LOL

[riversedge]

42. todd confronted him with the Fact that he has not released a Foreign Policy administration and he is

babbling something about his doctrine would be we can't do it alone--need a coalition. oh my. That all you got sanders??

[SheenaR]

44. Axelrod

Goldman Sachs guys must have gotten tired of hearing the bin laden story by the third speech.
#demdebate

David Axelrod

[morningfog]

58. Lol!

[frylock]

153. !

[beam me up scottie]

45. Yes she has more experience but judgement is important.

[restorefreedom]

53. one of us voted right and one of us didn't

bam!

[Joe the Revelator]

48. Hillary accusing Bernie of putting Israel in a corner....is something....

[questionseverything]

49. experience and judgement are 2 different things

she is hiding behind obama again

[bullwinkle428]

50. The IWR vote is the biggest single reason why Hillary isn't President today.

[dana_b]

52. well of course you were there - you were SOS!!

[restorefreedom]

57. was she in seal team six too? nt

[notadmblnd]

93. of course. That's where she came under enemy fire.

[restorefreedom]

98. jeez,, how could i have forgotten? nt

[polichick]

54. She interrupts and keeps sounding bitter and rude.

[beam me up scottie]

55. Obama picked ME to go after the terrorists!

[RoccoR5955]

60. Typical Clinton

All about ME!

[JimDandy]

138. Yeah, that was the wrong approach. But she is intent on getting as many

Obama and Isis/Military mentions as she can. Ironic that a POC firewall is involved with both (The Obama one at her desire and the long-running literal military one bitterly recognized and derided by POCs themselves over the last 70 years.)

[beam me up scottie]

149. She's trying to take credit for things Obama did after she left.

[JimDandy]

159. Absolutely. n/t

[LittleBlue]

56. Did Clinton just inadvertently admit that Saudi Arabia funds ISIS?

She just openly admitted they fund the terrorists in Syria. Didn't realize we were admitting this openly now.

[Duppers]

141. Big Whoops there.

[Joe the Revelator]

59. This is the same woman who ran the 3am phone call commercial against Obama....

...

[tomm2thumbs]

80. 'vote for me or someone is going to sneak into your house and kill your sleeping child'

[tomm2thumbs]

61. Her 'experience' has kept us in perpetual wars, no?

and advisors she throws out make a great deal of money in keeping wars perpetual

[dana_b]

66. yep! I'm tired of her "experience"

[OrwellwasRight]

62. Let me scare everybody about how dangerous the world is!

Not cool. Not feelin' the cHill.

[Karma13612]

63. she drags out all her comments and answers

Last edited Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:52 PM - Edit history (1)

to the point where the moderators are eager to get on to the next topic, and Bernie only gets to rebutt in a quick rush, along with having to also answer the next question that Chuckie throws.

I want an open-ended debate.

If you ask a question, then let the responder respond.

She just interrupted Bernie after he only had the floor for a couple moments.


She is talking more than Bernie

sorry all, I was getting really really mad.

And I still am.

thanks much for not putting me in the corner!! I'll be good!!

[JudyM]

72. and then cuts him off.

[Live and Learn]

186. Jury results

On Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

she drags out all her comments and answers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1143890

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Seriously, calling a female Democrat running for President a "bitch" (and it makes NO difference that a couple of letters were replaced with special characters)...Is that what flies on DU now?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:40 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Whatever. Can the poster change "bitch" to "asshole" and make the PC police happy?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Even partially disguised, that word is not allowed on DU. The rest of the post I agree with.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

And to poster 1, the answer is yes.

[Karma13612]

190. thanks for saving me!

Very sorry I got so upset.

She's just making me angry with her long comments and then not giving Bernie a chance to rebutt.

Also, I find the alternative word that was proposed, to be more offensive than the word I chose.

To each his own.

I have indeed lived and learned.

[MrMickeysMom]

68. I'd love to have some ap that counts the number of "I"s and "Me"s

I, I, I, I, I,I

[Arazi]

82. Agreed. Once you hear it, its very obvious

[RoccoR5955]

83. Me too

Than compare it with Bernie's us, and we's.

[MrMickeysMom]

94. That is EXACTLY it...

It stands out very strongly, in my view.

[beam me up scottie]

70. No normalization of relations but Bernie never said that!

[riversedge]

81. He just admitted he did but what he disputes is that he claims--go slow. not tomorrow

[beam me up scottie]

85. No he didn't, he said move forward

[questionseverything]

71. her taking credit for anything to do with iran is crazy

she made fun of obama for saying he would even talk to them

[Avalux]

74. I know. She is mean spirited and desperate.

Bernie just brought up her calling Obama naive. Good for him!

[frylock]

106. John Kerry is all 'what the fuck?!'

[questionseverything]

121. really and he seems to be doing a good job keeping the peace

watching him as sos makes me believe the anti war stuff of his youth was no act

[frylock]

135. I've been impressed.

[Lorien]

172. She desperately wants a war with Iran

it's the last item on PNAC's list: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484

[dana_b]

73. yep!! Bam! you need to talk to them

[islandmkl]

76. let me correct the record...as i recall...(insert rewrite here)

[OrwellwasRight]

78. Thank you for the lecture on how hard diplomacy is.

Has she recycled this commercial yet?

[Gregorian]

79. OK, I actually fear her taking office. She's loopy.

[Avalux]

88. I think her performance tonight shows that she's really scared she may not. nt

[frylock]

107. Yep

Game over.

[brooklynite]

90. Questioning her sanity? Maybe you should suggest Sanders run that as an ad...

[Gregorian]

119. That was a bit harsh. Washing dishes does that to me.

[polichick]

92. Ego disintegration.

[bettyellen]

127. You have for almost a year now- why pretend this is new for you?

[Lorien]

161. Hey, she was told it was "her turn"

how dare we insignificant peasants throw pebbles on her path to the thro...er, White House!

[Gregorian]

183. Thanks.

[TCJ70]

86. You have to open the door without conditions first...

...a conversation never hurt anyone. She's way too ready for war.

[LittleBlue]

87. She just made a completely circular argument. Wow

She is shocking when under pressure.

[Karma13612]

105. yea, this is what happens when she is forced off script.

she picks on Bernie until the next question posed to her.

then she waffles (do you want maple syrup, strawberries or whipped cream on those)??

[questionseverything]

89. correct the record was probably not the best choice of words

reminding people of brock and her semi legal super pac

[restorefreedom]

95. ouch.

Rania Khalek ?@RaniaKhalek
Half the "foreign policy experts" Clinton cited as opposing Sanders have ties to military contractors https://theintercept.com/2016/01/21/clinton-foreign-policy-experts/ … #demdebate

[slipslidingaway]

137. Half the "foreign policy experts" Clinton cited as opposing Sanders have ties to military contractor

ouch!

[Satch59]

96. She is so far qualified...

Almost not fair to Bernie but this is a big part of the job and her experience is just over the top...

[RoccoR5955]

103. Yeah

Experience with taking donations from military contractors.

[polichick]

104. Experience does not trump judgement. Dick Cheney has experience too.

[Snotcicles]

111. And Obama didn't have when he became POTUS. nt

[Satch59]

123. Oh please...

Comparing Clinton to Cheney is so infantile... Is Obama like W??

[polichick]

130. I didn't compare them.

[Lucinda]

192. Bernie does though. n/t

[frylock]

116. What are you watching?

[metroins]

97. Foreign policy: Hillary

She's dominating Bernie on it.

[TCJ70]

102. Yep...

...she's just more knowledgeable about it.

[RoccoR5955]

109. Not to mention those all important

campaign contributions from the military contractors.

[TCJ70]

113. Don't get me wrong...

...I'm a Bernie guy. But when it comes to talking about foreign policy she has the edge.

[questionseverything]

114. she knows the players

but her lack of judgement terrifies me

was what 2 debates ago she wanted a no fly zone? that is a straight ticket to ww3

[OrwellwasRight]

110. I think that is true on this one issue.

But most Democratic voters don't vote on foreign policy fears. They vote on economic policy hopes.

[metroins]

125. I agree. Nt

[OrwellwasRight]

101. Yes, let's invest more in war

instead of roads and trains and schools and such. Bla bla bla...

Yada yada, I'm not interested in that so much.

[valerief]

108. Hey, war profiteers gotta get richer. Cuz. Jesus. nt

[Ron Green]

112. Would Hillary mention the Koch Brothers

if Bernie weren't in this race?

[TCJ70]

120. She's trying to boost her cred...

...with buzz words.

[tomm2thumbs]

128. they would probably have a superPAC for her, frankly

and perhaps they do

[bettyellen]

115. YAY- tag teaming the Koch Bros. Yippee.

[Paulie]

118. Hillary is strong on foreign policy

Weak on domestic. Maybe she would be interested in being Secretary of State? Win Win

[questionseverything]

132. i hope bernie asks kerry to stay on

bernie might be able to find somewhere for hc in his admin but it needs to be somewhere she can't cause too much trouble

she is way too quick to want war for sos

[EndElectoral]

165. Flabbergasted. Strong on Foreign Policy? IWR, Bengazi, Honduras, her flipping on Iraq-Iran

One might add her ignoring of the Palestinian situation taking staunchly Pro-Israel migration stands. The Clinton Foundation donors getting huge weapon deals and a host of others.

Her foreign policy needs to be judged by HER actions, not by HER constantly changing rhetoric.

[beam me up scottie]

122. She gave him props for his Veterans bill, good on you Hillary!

[Motown_Johnny]

124. Bernie keeps admitting when she is right but Hillary can't seem to do the same.

Is this some debate tactic or is she simply incapable of giving him any credit at all?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

129. Uhh, she gave Bernie credit on the Veterans bill... nt

[Motown_Johnny]

131. That wasn't what I meant.

When he gets time to respond he says things like "She is absolutely right about that". Simply admitting legislation that was passed isn't the same thing.

I was talking about policy.

[suffragette]

134. I like that he does that

It speaks to how to positively work with someone and build consensus.

[polichick]

136. Both - it's ego and strategy imo.

[restorefreedom]

126. twitter has not been kind

Zaid Jilani – ?@ZaidJilani

There was no progress with Iran until Clinton left the State Department. Don't let her rewrite history. This was all John Kerry #DemDebate

[BeyondGeography]

133. Bernie takes out Republican trash better than any Democrat

Pointing out the emptiness of their patriotism re. their desire to privatize the VA is just one of many examples.

[beam me up scottie]

140. Yes he does! And on the koch brothers they agree.

[OrwellwasRight]

144. Word.

[bettyellen]

139. someone HAS to make a coin flip joke.

[brooklynite]

142. "I love and respect the Caucus Process"

I wonder if his supporters do.

[Dem2]

143. Bernie is more pragmatic about Iowa than his supporters here

Kudos to Bernie!

[bettyellen]

145. Well done!!!

[Joe the Revelator]

156. As it should be. Supporters have a role, and that is one of them.

[Dem2]

158. Kudos to Bernie!

[Bonobo]

164. Yes. But why do you care so much about supporters on DU?

What is your angle? We Bernie supporters do not make an issues out of Hillary supporters in that way and I find it disconcerting.

[Dem2]

182. Kudos to Bernie!

Hello!

[Gregorian]

146. "Whatever they decide to do" How disengenuous. Like it's not important?

[bettyellen]

150. she is giving him a silver platter to present himself on.

[frylock]

175. I'd be open...

[GoneFishin]

147. Whatever "they" decide to do? What a pant load.

[vdogg]

154. What exactly should she have said?

[GoneFishin]

160. Of course she would not answer that question.

[valerief]

148. Fuckin' talking about horserace bullshit. Electability. I hate this nonsense. nt

[Gregorian]

167. It's an embarrassment. Absurd. Corporate media is so tiresome.

[brooklynite]

180. Because it's okay to lose?

[RoccoR5955]

151. It is settled fact that Bernie does better than Clinton in the general election n/t

[lovemydog]

157. Nothing is settled fact unless and until it occurs.

Sure polls may be saying this now, but those 'what if' type polls aren't very reliable.

[dinkytron]

152. Bernie's funny and charming. His Iowa answer was excellent. He is in command.

[bettyellen]

155. Dude- they like specific targeted voter suppression. UGH.

[restorefreedom]

162. hillary: i've been vetted

yeah, thsts why people dont like and trust you

[RoccoR5955]

163. I just counted

Hillary used the word I and me 13 times on the last question.
She needs to get over herself!

[dinkytron]

166. Uh Wrong. There's a lot we don't know about you, Hillary. What did you say to Goldman Sachs in

those speeches.

[EndElectoral]

170. Not surprising that HRC would agree with Colin Powell

[RoccoR5955]

177. And here I thought it was Colon Bowel. n/t

[Avalux]

169. She said we want a president to keep us SAFE and get the economy moving again....

Does she think we are a bunch of Republicans? Using fear and that stupid shit Bush used to say.

[MrMickeysMom]

171. Oh, good the FBI investigation gets mentioned

"I'm 100% confident!"

So, the argument is, "I'm no worse than the Republicans"

[Jarqui]

174. She's lying about the emails but that's nothing new nt

[questionseverything]

176. were powells e mail on his home server?

shouldn't she has recognized what should have been classified?

i do not remember ever having a candidate with an open fbi investigation

usually even the appearance of a problem and the candidate withdraws for the good of the party

[brooklynite]

178. Sanders apologies for staff intruding on Culinary Union cafeteria...

...and misrepresenting themselves as Union members.

Funny, I don't remember the folks here doing the same.

[NurseJackie]

193. They're still denying it ever happened. (As per usual.)

[frylock]

179. Good on Hillary for declining to respond to Sanders on the newspaper non-endorsement non-issue.

[metroins]

184. Good on both of them

No need to stoop to GOP mud.

[bkkyosemite]

181. Everytime she would pull the Mohamed Ali I'm the greatest

they would not allow Bernie to talk and go on to another question. I wish Bernie would say I also will start on day 1 to be the President for the people by the people.

[TCJ70]

185. He said nearly that exact thing...

...during the domestic portion of the debate.

[bkkyosemite]

195. she said it over and over and over and over....and.....

[californiabernin]

187. Sanders wins the death penalty debate hands down. n/t

[GoneFishin]

188. Water privatization scheme turned deadly. Snyder belongs in jail.

[GoneFishin]

189. No. You referred to it as a gold standard.