Official Debate Thread 4

[TexasTowelie]

[beam me up scottie]

1. In 1964 uh oh Barry Goldwater...where's she going with this...

[Matariki]

3. Not where I thought she was going

[beam me up scottie]

5. Me either, Hillary was like WHEW!

[Zynx]

17. No one gives a shit about that.

Not even you do.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Oh lighten up Frances.

[tomm2thumbs]

2. Oh lookie, a new room (hanging posters and putting out snacks)

[beam me up scottie]

18. Fluffs up the pillows, kicks off shoes... Want a microbrew?

[tomm2thumbs]

28. Cheers thanks

[Duckhunter935]

4. she just

basically said no you can't win but I hope your supporters come over to me.

[restorefreedom]

13. yeah, good luck to her on that point. nt

[LiberalElite]

55. I would sooner fall onto a bed of nails

from a great height.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. Emails.. drip ....drip....

[metroins]

10. Its such a non issue.

[ViseGrip]

11. drip drip again...

[bettyellen]

19. Pitchers provided by the Koch Brothers.

Bengahzi. LOL.

[ViseGrip]

7. Caucus votes count, any vote counts. She should not have fluffed that off.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Posted on Reddit: "Sanders is fighting dirty, with innuendo, and despicable tactics. A campaign I...

....have great respect for'



I laughed.

[Karma13612]

9. emails!!!!! eom

[tomm2thumbs]

12. I think bottom line is a Democrat is going to win the White House - Obama's support will cement it

We just need to make sure the best candidate is chosen to run

[Skwmom]

14. OMG. The distortion.

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Don't laugh about Benghazi or downplay it. It sounds swarmy.

[metroins]

60. She had almost nothing to do with it.

[Joe the Revelator]

69. Still...you can say that you had nothing to do with it, but the chuckle was a little much.

[Karma13612]

16. FBI!!!!!!!!!!! eom

[restorefreedom]

21. she is LYING

classified exists whether it is marked or not

wtf does she think we are all idiots?

[Avalux]

29. Yep - her body language gave it away. Not good at all for her. n/t

[restorefreedom]

43. i only heard it but thx for the info nt

[Gregorian]

22. "Honest to goodness."---yikes

[ViseGrip]

23. uuuuu. she's looking down....

[Avalux]

25. Sure sign she's lying her ass off. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Going on the right wing conspiracy tip....

[beam me up scottie]

26. I've been vetted, I can keep you safe, terra terra terra

[bettyellen]

27. Ouch, now it is Bernie's scandals. Losing control!

[nc4bo]

42. Didn't seem as much of a big deal as some hoped. nt

[beam me up scottie]

51. Yep, someone's disappointed.

[bettyellen]

53. Yeah, it's no !!!!Benghazi!!!!

[Skwmom]

30. Maddow - Pathetic...

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Bernie handled the email thing perfectly.

[hexola]

36. Avoiding it made it seem even more "sinister"...somehow

Odd how that went over...

[valerief]

32. Are we all convinced Rachel has jumped the shark? Now she's onto the

Sanders people at the Culinary Institute. None of this and Hillary's emails affect the American citizen.

[beam me up scottie]

33. BUTTONGATE!!! Give me a break.

[valerief]

41. And Hillary refused to comment on it like Bernie refused to comment on the emails!

What will the mods do now? God forbid they ask REAL questions instead of bullshit political ones.

[beam me up scottie]

45. Good on both of them, they're the adults in the room.

What issues?

[joshcryer]

52. Yep, way better than some of their supporters.

[beam me up scottie]

54. You just had to get a shot in, didn't you? Now who's not following their lead?

[joshcryer]

67. Speak for yourself.

I never jumped on the email bandwagon, and you dare pretend to have Sanders level of integrity.

[beam me up scottie]

75. And I did? Who do you think you're talking to?

[beam me up scottie]

82. Well? Where did I "jump in the email bandwagon"?

[joshcryer]

96. Well if you didn't I apologize.

But many many supposed Sanders supporters certainly did. I'll have to find the latest shitfest thread. I'm on my phone or I'd look it up.

[beam me up scottie]

154. Or you could take my word for it and apologize now.

[joshcryer]

237. I did?

Unless you're not sure if you participated in that?

[beam me up scottie]

240. Participated in what? You were going to look it up.

[joshcryer]

244. And I will.

You could've just accepted the apology.

[beam me up scottie]

251. I didn't realize you apologized. It sounded conditional as if you didn't believe me.

If you apologized then thank you but look it up. The only thing that worries me about the email/server issue is what will happen if she's president and the Republicans try to impeach her. I have defended her against right wingers for years over Benghazi and now I'm having to do the same thing over this scandal. I do not look forward to what they'll do to her in the general since they've chipped away at her for years.

[valerief]

57. Tacky

[joshcryer]

78. See posts 6 and 11...

...before calling me that, thanks.

[nc4bo]

49. I know right?!nt

[Skwmom]

38. What a corporate tool.

[bettyellen]

39. I think if they had to bring in "scandals" they had to do it for both. And both handled it well.

[ViseGrip]

34. losing control of campaign....of ffs....time for another donation to bernie!

[polichick]

35. Good move not to take 30 seconds after his stance on the emails.

[Motown_Johnny]

44. He took the high road on the emails and she tried to copy it.

The problem is that her followers will fall for it.

[slipslidingaway]

46. Yes nt

[valerief]

50. Right. Besides, we don't listen to that bullshit anyway. That crap may excite Rachel and Todd but

not voters.

[AtomicKitten]

37. "this scandal is not a problem because I've been involved in plenty of scandals"

@ reddit

[bettyellen]

48. Loved that!

[MrMickeysMom]

58. Oops

[Joe the Revelator]

40. Hillary handled the Bernie issues perfectly as well.

Good show.

[Ron Green]

47. Bernie's showing her how to dismiss those gotcha moments.

[Motown_Johnny]

56. Death Penalty, Hillary loses.

[beam me up scottie]

61. We want to make sure they kill the RIGHT criminal. And as humanely as possible.

[restorefreedom]

64. must meet high standards of evidentiary proof..

so, we can put you down for a yes?

[JudyM]

72. she did give a reasonable answer. get states' procedures fixed and use it for very limited cases.

[Motown_Johnny]

77. Sorry. She supports it. Bernie doesn't. She loses.

[JudyM]

83. yes of course but for her position she gave the best possible answer. will win some voters.

[Motown_Johnny]

107. Agreed. But it is unicorns and rainbows.

[Warren Stupidity]

262. She and her husband enthusiastically executed

an Arkansas man with an IQ that should have disqualified him from the death penalty. That was one of the first clear signals that the Clintons have no principles that supersede Blind Ambition.

[restorefreedom]

59. death penalty....wait for it...nt

[nc4bo]

62. Wth...audio keeps blanking out. nt

[RoccoR5955]

63. Sorry, the death penalty is wrong.

If we are supposedly for the lives of people, why not life without parole?

[tomm2thumbs]

65. She hopes someone else decides, so she doesn't have to

[beam me up scottie]

66. It is NOT an appropriate punishment! It is state sanctioned murder.

[restorefreedom]

125. another twitter ouchie

Dore ?@jimmy_dore
#HillarySoProgressive she's for state murder #DemDebate

[beam me up scottie]

131. I used almost the same hashtag the other day!!!

[restorefreedom]

142. ! nt

[Cassiopeia]

68. Right now I wish MoM was in this debate (DP)

It's one area I agreed with him solidly.

[MrMickeysMom]

70. I'm for the death penalty, but only if it's carried out properly?

A good death might be from depleted uranium?

Executions of innocent people, also... oops.

[restorefreedom]

80. yes. killing the "right" people is ok. nt

[beam me up scottie]

71. Yes, the death penalty is racist. Thank you Bernie.

[Arazi]

87. +10000 eom

[bettyellen]

73. Gutsy of Sanders to take a stand against capital punishment. YAY!

[valerief]

74. Yay! On to Flint!

[nc4bo]

90. Why can't we have the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers "fix" Flint?nt

[valerief]

132. We can. We aren't. Why not? Good question. Why can't Snyder, who's sitting on a billion dollar

surplus, fix the problem he created? No one is making him. Why not? Good question.

[restorefreedom]

76. bernie..death penalty

too many innocent people...have been executed
in a world,of so much violence, gotv itself should not be part of the killing

bam!

[MrMickeysMom]

79. Michigan... If the state is failing...

It's about the children and infrastructure... So, why fracking industry alliances, then, Hillary?

[restorefreedom]

84. damn fricking right nt

[questionseverything]

85. that poison water is different?

[californiabernin]

81. Sanders wins the death penalty debate hands down. n/t

[ViseGrip]

88. ^^^this^^^

[metroins]

89. I agree nt

[ecstatic]

261. So he's against the death penalty but pro guns?

Guns which, believe it or not, can cause death.

[ViseGrip]

86. Hillary you are not in office, and can't really do anything. The people of Flint can't wait.

The Gov should resign....

[questionseverything]

101. the gov should of been arrested by now

along with his emergency manager

[Gram Parsons]

91. Wow.... one issue is as black and white as a school bus full of nuns....

These are the grown-ups in the room for 2016. The Republican debates are like a bad cartoon show in comparison. Hillary and Bernie are both very much worthy of our respect and admiration. I will be proud to support either in the general election.

[bettyellen]

98. Agreed! And welcome to DU!!

[Gram Parsons]

264. Thank you, bettyellen! Long time lurker, rare poster, DU is great and has helped shape my worldview!

[bettyellen]

265. Well, it is kind of crappy at the moment. Will breathe a sigh of relief when the primary is over

and we again have a common enemy. I usually find it a helpful resource when phone banking for my candidates, as I bookmark good articles and refer to them often -offering to email people I speak with too.

[MrMickeysMom]

92. Good to identify... "If this were a suburban white community"

I'm glad he brought that up.

[beam me up scottie]

95. Yes, excellent point.

[OrwellwasRight]

93. Here we go, TPP Question!

[MrMickeysMom]

108. Give it to baby Chuck...

Unfettered free trade?

No, FAIR trade.... Get it, baby Chuckles?

[restorefreedom]

94. uh oh...trade and tpp nt

[pa28]

97. Trade. Finally! Tell us how that is connected with the situation in Flint.

[Karma13612]

99. But but, she has claimed she helped

create the tPP.

She was one of the architects!

[karynnj]

263. not to mention when sheet office, TPP as the centerpiece of her number 1

Accomplishment - the pivot to China.

[Cheese Sandwich]

100. Gold standard?

[AtomicKitten]

112. HELLO!!!1

[ViseGrip]

102. Hillary, will you be waffle?

[Motown_Johnny]

103. Local news says Hillary will be in Lansing Sunday.

Edit to add link

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/hillary-clinton-will-travel-to-flint-on-sunday?searchType=ALL&compId=211708685

[valerief]

120. I heard her mention tonight. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

130. Argh! Did I miss that? I didn't hear her say it.

The live stream I am watching is a little glitchie. Maybe it lagged when she said it.

[valerief]

143. Actually, I think she said she'd be in Flint Sunday. I guess you'll have to

replay the debate to get the certain answer.

[Motown_Johnny]

149. No, I bet I missed it. I edited my post.

[Duckhunter935]

135. yep, has to postpone a Bain

Capital fundraiser.

[Motown_Johnny]

138. Superbowl Sunday.

Won't most of them be in private boxes at the game?

[californiabernin]

104. Our debates are so much better and more substantive than the Republican variety show types.

[bettyellen]

111. the debates are a whole lot better than the threads about them, LOL.

[californiabernin]

121. That's for sure. n/t

[bettyellen]

105. No trade deals for you Bernie?

[beam me up scottie]

122. Ahem: "OF COURSE I BELIEVE IN TRADE!" I think is what he said.

[bettyellen]

129. Wrong noun, question was about deals.

[MrMickeysMom]

126. Keep listening...

Free trade?

Negotiated in secret, written by corporations, who can sue out country and over-turn our laws, our sovereignty, a race to the bottom... destroy the environment.... and worker rights, plus all the job losses

No, that's not fair trade, and that's what the TPP is.

[EndElectoral]

106. I'll give HRC one thing, she can sling the BS without saying anything.

[OrwellwasRight]

109. Not the 95% of consumers line!

Half of them live on $2.50 a day or less. These are not "consumers" of US exports.

And it is not just about the safety net! What about ISDS? What about Buy American, rules of origin, and financial services rules?

[restorefreedom]

110. i hoped tpp would be kind of trade agreement i was hoping for

when i saw what it was i opposed it

thats NOT what she said in the raddick interview

she was opposed to it "right now"

lying again

edit...do not CURRENTLY support it

she owned it..good

[ViseGrip]

113. They must ask about fracking....

[Gregorian]

114. Bernie's context is always The People, and you just can't beat that.

[OrwellwasRight]

124. Exactly!

[beam me up scottie]

115. Of course I believe in trade! Go Bernie!!!

[Cheese Sandwich]

123. That was a great answer. He knows his stuff on trade.

[ViseGrip]

116. again, Bernie has the better judgment once again

[avaistheone1]

156. He made that very clear.

[tomm2thumbs]

117. "Of, By and For Corporate America..." - trade agreements

[OrwellwasRight]

118. "I understand what the purpose of NAFTA CAFTA and TPP is"

He sure does: they are written by and for corporate America! They are written to squeeze US workers and give more profit to capital! Thank you Bernie!!!!

[Cheese Sandwich]

128. +1 I'm so glad Bernie ran for president so we can have a voice on this issue for once.

[OrwellwasRight]

137. Couldn't agree more!

[EndElectoral]

119. Bernie nailed that trade response

[OrwellwasRight]

133. So much better than Hillary's lackluster "safety net"

response. Even Senator Portman's announcement today that he opposes the TPP (he is scared that Ted Strickland will kick his ass in November!) was was better than Hillary's wimpy response. You can tell her heart is not into opposing the TPP.

[RiverLover]

134. His response was FABULOUS. He needs, needs, to be our president!

GO Bernie!!

[Armymedic88]

127. Bernie sanders stance on trade will win states like Ohio...

See Sen. Brown has been running the exact at platform and he keeps winning

[SamKnause]

150. It was disappointing that he endorsed Hillary.

I live in Ohio.

[Armymedic88]

160. I have a personal history with Sen. Brown and when he endorsed her I was in complete shock

[one_voice]

136. This is an excellent debate!

I want them both to be president.

Even/odd days.

[bettyellen]

141. Yeah, I wish I could make one person out of them both!

[napi21]

139. Ya know, The moderators tonight have put all the provious ones to shame!

I've watched every debate on both sides, and the criticism of the moderators have always been the subject of criticism the next day. I really don't find ANY problems with Rachel & Chuck and the questions they've asked.

[JimDandy]

148. +1

[restorefreedom]

140. lol...retro chafee tweet

Bernstein ?@dbernstein
Somewhere in Warwick RI, a man looks at the clock and realizes that once again nobody will raise the metric system issue tonight. #DemDebate

[beam me up scottie]

146. LOLOLOL!

[restorefreedom]

161. here's another

Pinaire ?@brianpinaire
Remember the #DemDebate from October? #JimWebb boasted of killing guys and #LincolnChafee bragged about being a block of granite.

rotfl!

[beam me up scottie]

166. !

[valerief]

187. Bwahahahaha! Golden! nt

[UglyGreed]

144. I would say

Hillary is thinking maybe I should of stopped at six debates.......

[MrMickeysMom]

145. What do you do first?

She didn't want to make a declarative statement of that.

"Start good things from happening?"

[Avalux]

155. She flubbed that. Makes no sense. n/t

[GoneFishin]

158. Can't argue with that. Because I don't know what it means.

[RoccoR5955]

147. Clinton's eyes are turning brown.

The poop has reached that level.

[tomm2thumbs]

152. she's overpromising... but claims other people are the ones doing it

OMG

[MrMickeysMom]

151. Why the FUCK hasn't anybody asked her about Soc Security privatization?

Chuckles... It hurts

[Gregorian]

153. She talks, but I don't believe her given her record.

[avaistheone1]

162. I haven't seen big and bold from Hillary.

Big and bold comes from the progressives --- who Hillary belittles.

[avaistheone1]

168. Okay the bold one here is Bernie

He addresses Citizens United

[hexola]

157. Fumble...

Sounds like Hillary is giving a Trump answer!

[senz]

159. Bernie has given the issues a LOT of thought. He knows what's most important.

[MrMickeysMom]

163. WHEN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DEAL WITH CONGRESS....I'm ready

[nc4bo]

178. +1. nt

[RoccoR5955]

164. Bernie is great.

He wants more people involved in the process. Not so with Clinton.

[Gregorian]

165. Damn, Bernie calls Mcconnell. He means business.

[uponit7771]

167. Sanders doesn't understand Mitch wont care if a trillion people were outside his door...

... he doesn't have to.

His seat is safe...

[beam me up scottie]

169. Kissinger?? No she di'int!!!

[Avalux]

177. She's proud the warmonger is her buddy. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

184. He's a war criminal! Who does she think is in the audience? Neocons?

[EndElectoral]

170. Why does Clinton use Kissinger as job reference?

[RoccoR5955]

180. Isn't he a war criminal?

Why is she putting him on a pedestal?

[californiabernin]

171. Sanders was perfect on "What would you do first?" question.

Nailed the real issue.

[hexola]

183. Yep - Hillary sounded like Trump...

Blah!

[RoccoR5955]

185. Yep!

[MrMickeysMom]

172. I want to "streamline" ... I want a "top to bottom review"...

AND... a compliment from Henry fucking Kissinger... He's a FUCKING WAR CRIMINAL!

WoW!!!!

[senz]

173. She hasn't thought it through. It shows.

[Gregorian]

174. Kissinger as a reference? Oops.

[BeyondGeography]

175. Dropping Kissinger's name; save that for the general

[Manifestor_of_Light]

176. She put on the pursed lips fake smile

And the wide eyes look at him. He brought up campaign finance reform as a litmus test for a Supreme Court justice to overturn that.

[Punkingal]

179. Kissinger....WTF?????

[restorefreedom]

181. oh no she didnt!

just bragged on kissinger complimenting her!

[ViseGrip]

182. Duplicative??? Hillary just made up a word. ffs

[avaistheone1]

186. Omg Hillary is quoting Henry Kissinger.

[uhnope]

195. what a gaffe

[questionseverything]

196. she just doesn't get it does she?

[senz]

213. You'd almost think she's out of touch with Democrats.

[avaistheone1]

239. She proved by that statement once again

Hillary is the best republican in the race.

[SusanCalvin]

188. Flattered because Kissinger complimented her?????

How obtuse can she be to even bring up that name?

[avaistheone1]

204. She just proved she is.

[JimDandy]

189. No I won't add or get rid of Federal agencies...

well have to see which ones to eliminate...

[TCJ70]

190. She's coming back around to going negative towards Sanders...

...that isn't the way to end it.

[restorefreedom]

191. she is coming unhinged

very defensive now....

[uhnope]

228. at least twice she looked a bit unhinged and out of control...raising her voice and angry

[restorefreedom]

252. its very interesting when you can only hear it

the focus is more on the voices and tone because there is nothing to look at

[nc4bo]

192. Toad asks a dumb ass question.

Don't think he got the show he wanted.

[ViseGrip]

193. she's yelling again

[MrMickeysMom]

194. What a fucking asshole Chuck Todd's questions are, indeed...

No, it's a little out of hand.

[beam me up scottie]

200. He gives toads a bad name.

[uponit7771]

210. Is it bad that I want someone to punch him in the mouth!? His questions are half ass and leading...

..my 7 year olds can come up with better questions!!

[bettyellen]

197. I like that they are trying to stay classy! TAKE A LESSON PEOPLE!

[SusanCalvin]

219. Amen.

[senz]

198. Bernie is CAPABLE of respecting other people.

[uponit7771]

199. Sanders is right!!! We have two kick ass candidates

[TCJ70]

205. Woah...

...did you just say something nice about Sanders? Stop the presses! lol

[RiverLover]

201. Chelsea can see him as a president

"President Sanders"

[RoccoR5955]

202. Bernie's statement

about being better on their worst days than the RepbuliCONs on their best days is pure gold!

[uhnope]

203. the laugh...the frozen smile...eyes bugging out

[uponit7771]

215. +1, Chuck Todd looks stupid

[Dem2]

206. Damnit what did Bernie say that got the loud applause?

I know they were being magnanimous toward each other, but then I got distracted reading something here - d'oh.

[restorefreedom]

223. he said they would both be better than the repubs nt

[Dem2]

232. Damn right!

I can applaud now

[restorefreedom]

248. :) nt

[ViseGrip]

226. No matter what goes on in the dem primary, they are 100 times better than the republicans!

[Dem2]

234. Thanks!

He's 100% correct

[BeyondGeography]

207. These two actually get along and that's a good thing

[a kennedy]

208. D*mn right 100's better then ANY repubs.

[Motown_Johnny]

209. First she wanted us to vote with our heads not our hearts. Now she changes it

and wants us to use both?

Can't she make her mind about anything?


Did the focus group not like that line?

[californiabernin]

211. What if supporters in both camps showed as much respect for each other as they do for each other.

That would be something.

[Joe the Revelator]

216. Then they would have to tear each other down more. Supporters serve a good purpose...

...by doing the dirty work of campaigning.

[bettyellen]

221. Not really, some just like being assholes on the net.

[Joe the Revelator]

229. Well that I agree with, but I'm talking about large scale.

[bettyellen]

260. I don't see the big picture where it is wise to repeat RW memes and attack over minor bullshit.

[joshcryer]

241. LOL, blocked from both of their "supporter" sites.

[hexola]

212. HOME RUN!

Bernie - "On our worst day..."

[RoccoR5955]

217. Grand Slam, touchdown and goal! all in one! n/t

[Karma13612]

214. This is a relief-

looks like neither wants to have the other as VP.
Good!

[OrwellwasRight]

218. Please don't talk about your youth, Hillary.

It only reminds people you supported Barry F-ing Goldwater.


That said, I think you may have performed better tonight than last debate -- at least you didn't say "homophobic inequality," which people are still wondering about.

[MrMickeysMom]

220. Bernie...Bringing it home...

He's kept to the issues...

It's just too late for establishment politics.

We need a POLITICAL REVOLUTION

Yes, the country belongs to all of us.

He knocked another debate out of the park.

[RoccoR5955]

222. Once again, Bernie hits it out of the park, and into the parking lot.

He surely won this one by a light year or more!

[beam me up scottie]

224. Our government belongs to all of us!

[OrwellwasRight]

225. Both had good closing statements!

Well done.

[JimDandy]

236. Well, Bernie's could have been stronger. n/t

[OrwellwasRight]

247. Well if you are going to nitpick, she could have left out the part where she talked about her youth

and reminded us all that it began with her campaigning for Barry Goldwater. But I was trying to be positive.

[JimDandy]

254. I want Bernie to not just to do well, but to bowl over everyone.

That's where that was coming from.

[OrwellwasRight]

255. OK, I hear ya.

Yes, his was less than perfect. But still good.

[R0ckyRac00n]

257. Huh

Wow, I felt just the opposite. I felt it was heartfelt simple and powerful. Eloquently capturing the core of what motivates him as a candidate,

[JimDandy]

258. Maybe I just want too much. n/t

[jillan]

227. Standing ovation for a fabulous debate!

[senz]

230. Jane is so gracious.

[Bjornsdotter]

259. I noticed that too n/t

[JimDandy]

231. Rachel to NH voters: Can't wait to see how you vote. Don't screw up.

[JudyM]

235. i know, what was that?!

[JimDandy]

242. I'm hoping she was speaking to the Republicans

and not some innuendo about Bernie. (Rachel is a Clinton supporter)

[tomm2thumbs]

238. I thought that comment was pretty strange

[nc4bo]

243. Rachel's been weird lately.

Not sure what's up with that.

[JimDandy]

245. Hopefully was a reference to the Republican clown car.

Would be sad if it was a reflection of her personal preference for Clinton. None of us are unbiased, but it behooves journalists to try as much as possible to not let those biases show.

[JimDandy]

250. How so? I don't have cable, so it's catch as catch can to see

MSNBC's nightly liberal lineup.

[nc4bo]

256. She's been on a Trump binge....I stopped watching.

Too weird to see her do that.perhaps she didn't have a choice?

[slipslidingaway]

253. Thought that was a strange comment. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

233. Best debate of the season. Easily.

[RiverLover]

249. Yep

They asked good Qs, too.

[jillan]

246. Bernie speaks for me but tonight I am proud of them both.