2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMainstream media drops lobbying bomb on Hillary
Last edited Fri Feb 5, 2016, 05:42 PM - Edit history (2)
Her loss in Iowa opened the floodgates for the media to start detailing the reality of the situation.
Headline: Meet the lobbyists, donors and bundlers behind Hillarys $157 million juggernaut
"now runs Subject Matter, a go-to Democratic lobbying firm for corporate interests.."
Clients: Wall Street banks (Goldman Sachs and Citigroup), the casino industry (the American Gaming Association), telecoms (Verizon and Time Warner), tech firms (Facebook and Microsoft), agribusiness (Monsanto) and the NFL.
"The superlobbyist brother of John Podesta, Clintons campaign chairman, he runs Podesta Group"
Clients: Defense contractors (Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Bechtel), pharmaceutical and health insurance giants (Merck and Blue Cross-Blue Shield) and banking and private equity firms (Well Fargo, Credit Suisse Group, KKR), foreign governments, including several Saudi Arabia, Azerbaijan, Burma and the Maldives accused by the State Department of human rights abuses.
Bonus points: Podesta has used his D.C. mansion, famously decorated with expensive modern art, to host a Clinton fundraiser (offering fine Italian cooking by him and his brother) as well as a book party for Clinton super-PAC attack dog David Brock (co-hosted by Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias and Clinton email pal Sidney Blumenthal.)
"She runs her own rival firm, Heather Podesta & Partners."
Clients: MacAndrews & Forbes (the Wall Street investment firm owned by billionaire Ronald Perelman) as well as Marathon Oil, the Cigna Corp. and the National Pork Producers Council and the National Cannabis Industry Association.
"Clintons most prolific Lobbyist bundler, now is a partner at Capitol Counsel"
Clients: Sullivan specializes in protecting tax breaks for private equity and real estate investment firms (Blackstone, Beacon Capitol Partners and the National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts.) Other big clients include the PhRMA, the drug industrys lobbying arm, and two of its leading members (Roche Holdings and Amgen.)
Bonus 1: "Sullivan is the former DNC finance chair who first got attention as the supervisor of John Huang, the fundraiser convicted of campaign finance violations during Bill Clintons 1996 reelection."
Bonus 2: "Sullivans partner at his lobbying firm, David Jones, another longtime Democratic fundraiser, has bundled another $386,000. "
"former Indiana Democratic senator" and "a strategic adviser to the business clients of McGuireWoods"
Clients: "Exxon Mobil, Duke Energy and the National Association of Manufacturers"
Bonus 1: "Bayh, who hosted a fundraiser for Clinton at the McGuireWoods K St. office last spring, also serves as a strategic adviser to Apollo Management, the Wall Street private equity firm (which paid Clinton $225,000 for a speech after she left office.)"
Bonus 2: "Two of his McGuireWoods colleagues, Andrew Smith and former South Carolina Gov. Jim Hodges, are also bundlers who have raised $240,000 for the Clinton campaign while lobbying for clients that include Smithfield Foods (now owned by the Chinese-based Shuanghui Group) and Dandong Port Group, a Hong Kong-registered port and grain importing firm owned by secretive Chinese billionaire Wenliang Wang, who has donated $2 million to the Clinton Foundation."
LOTS more here:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillarys-financial-armada-233033648.html
This is what wheels coming off looks like.
EDIT:
Since this thread is gaining traction, I'll add this:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
PLEASE READ THIS LINK ^^^
There's so much crucial info in it that needs to be repeated as often and as loudly as possible.
EDIT 2: The Yahoo article has 2200 comments... That's the power of the mainstream media reporting this. Mass exposure is exactly what's needed.

jillan
(39,451 posts)Wow!!!
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)a little creepy when you cover the smiles and just look at the eyes.
Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)the flag you are displaying.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)That was pretty brash and disgusting.
Duppers
(27,961 posts)So damn disappointed in Howard Dean.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Thanks !!
Proving that Dean has made his Faustian Deal
840high
(17,196 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I saw it last night. The topic of the thread is something to do with "seating arrangement"
grasswire
(50,130 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)how can we beat the republicans.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I mean republicans......
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Embrsce this... Sure the candidate may be running away from it, but it's good to see you embrace it. Better than pretending.
I mean on one hand it's awful and most people rightly see it as corrupt, buy at least you're keeping it real.
cali
(114,904 posts)I confused you with someone else with a similar username. My bad.
cali
(114,904 posts)that poster.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)At least people don't think you're the real Edward Bernays. Lol.
certainot
(9,090 posts)work the republicans have at their disposal($1000/hr x 1200 stns x 15 hrs/day), plus 25 yrs of accumulated alternate reality, and voter suppression-(all pols are corrupt, they're all the same, govt only works for the rich, etc).
it's biting them in the ass now as the party of lincoln becomes the party of limbaugh/trump/cruz but because the left ignores it they could still keep slimeballs like trump cruz rubio close enough to steal in.
the irony is that the republicans will use this vs hillary also, with a guy like lmbaugh increasingly calling the democrats the party of wall st
R. P. McMurphy
(820 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)is in all that dirty business up to his eyeballs.
Lobbies for freakin' Saudi Arabia, fer gawdsake!
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Why would anyone believe her multiple: Evolution's
Dustlawyer
(10,474 posts)Be careful what you ask for! Bernie has needed national exposure to get his message out, she gave it to him. This will be the point that they will say that launched Bernie to victory. The genie is out of the bottle. He will now start getting some positive coverage to go along with the Chris Mathews of the world who see their way of life crumbling around them.
Think of all of the Lobbyists who are watching their world evaporate before their eyes if Bernie wins and WE are successful at getting Publicly Funded Elections!
lob1
(3,820 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,474 posts)That is the one area that could sink him. The internets could only take him so far, there are still a lot of folks who get everything from the MSM. Now the MSM has to give him the extra debate exposure. His skill last night proved that he has every right and ability required to be on the same stage as Hillary. They were both very skilled, much like the last battle between Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker. The FORCE of Bernie message will be too strong for Hillary, or any Republican, to defeat!
Akamai
(1,779 posts)Hillary doesn't want any of them in NY City.
Wow! Very entertaining tv viewing ahead!
frylock
(34,825 posts)It will be a good opportunity for Bernie to talk about the damaging effects of trade agreements.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Too much baggage on board?
--- free after DU'er Tierra e Libertad
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)of the Democratic party for many years. He says it started when Democratic strategist Al From visited Clinton in Arkansas and promised him the White House if he would be corporate friendly, and especially friendly with Wall Street and the banks.
Now comes this utterly wonderful guy, Senator Sanders, who is drawing the curtain way, way back and we all can see the manipulators and how we have been controlled, how so much pain and misery has been brought about by the ultra rich and the political and media groups doing their bidding.
Go, Bernie!!!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And all sorts of other things.
Shows why we have rotted to the core.
First, no more Clintons in the White House...ever.
Second, it's time for that Political Revolution and a big enema in American politics.
polichick
(37,152 posts)turbinetree
(24,468 posts)And the MSM is calling Sanders out on having some checking / saving accounts with banks --------------------really
Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


pangaia
(24,324 posts)laid bare for what they really do.
Yippee !!!!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and offers nothing in return.
It's a hard sell. She could be telling the truth, but there is this appearance of a conflict of interest that is hard to dispel.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Here's the options:
Lobbyists are idiots
Lobbyists are idiots for giving money to 99% of politicians, because the politicians just take the money and do nothing in return. Lobbyists don't notice and keep funding all of their campaigns.
People are idiots
Lobbyists give tons of money to politicians and in turn get what they want, as long as it's politically feasible. People are idiots because they believe politicians excuses about all that money.
Which of those things do you think is more likely?
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)That ... that's a tough one.
Seriously, I'm like ... I dunno ... Hmmmm ...
Can I phone a friend, or something?
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Holy Crap!!!!
BainsBane
(52,916 posts)
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/
Ads like these, paid for by American Crossroads, Karl Rove's Super Pac
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)just because people from both parties see your candidates major weakness - her corruption - doesn't mean they're working together... nice try though...
BainsBane
(52,916 posts)The fallacy with pretending campaign finance is about personal ethics as opposed to the system is that it ignores this very thing. Sanders has benefited from more Super PAC and dark money spending than any other candidate in this election, of either party.
No one "has" Super Pacs. His repetition of that plays on the public's lack of knowledge about campaign finance law. In addition to GOP ratfucking the Dem primary through spending by Rove and others, there are Super Pacs explicitly formed to promote his candidacy. Since they, like the Nurse's super Pacs, take dark money, there is no way to know where the money comes from.
Clinton is not corrupt for following the law. The system is corrupt, and that same system is benefiting Bernie enormously.
As the debate last night made clear, Bernie picks and chooses when it comes to campaign funding. He could have used the public system but chose to go outside it because it benefits him. It benefits him to make grand declarations about super Pacs as a campaign slogan, even while he benefits them more from them than anyone else in the race.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Gotta love people that act immorally because it's totally legal... Totally.
The fact is the elite break the law with out getting in trouble all the time.
Hillary is the Goldman Sachs of politicians. Totally legal... All of it.. Just ask their team of lawyers.
BainsBane
(52,916 posts)You don't care how corrupt the system is. You don't care who benefits from it or how money corrupts the political process. You just don't like Hillary. And if your candidate benefits from the biggest haul of dark money spending, all the better.
Meanwhile, he votes for immunity for gun corporations and $800 billion in corporate welfare for Lockheed-Martin for the F-35, but none of that matters.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)And lol.
You are just blind if you think there's no meaningful difference between Sanders and Clinton.
BainsBane
(52,916 posts)Largely in terms of knowledge, experience, and competence. And the fact she doesn't seek to reduce American politics to a bumper sticker slogan.
One is qualified to execute the job of president and the other enjoys being treated like a rock star. One encourages conversations with voters and the other insists he has all the answers. One has an expansive knowledge of foreign policy, the nations and actors around the world while the other is not only lacking in knowledge, he isn't even interested enough to assemble a team that can help prepare him for something that is central to the job of president. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431
I happen to think a president should be competent. Knowledge and ability to understand the complexity of issues and society impress me far more than sloganeering.
As for integrity, look at the recent spate of incidents from Sanders' campaign: data breach, impersonating union workers, improperly using logos of activist organizations and implying endorsements, so much so he has had to pull ads and mailers. If one wants to dismiss it as the actions of rogue staffers, that suggests he can't control his own staff. If he can't manage a campaign, how can he be trusted to run the federal government?
While Obama didn't have a huge amount of experience, he ran a very efficient and competent campaign, which pointed to his competence. We don't see that from Bernie.
So to answer your question, there is an enormous amount of difference between Clinton and Sanders, and those differences favor Clinton.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)In addition to 40 years of experience, Bernie has repeatedly demonstrated good judgement and solid ethics. THAT is HISTORY, and can't be spun.
I prefer those qualities to any of the campaign pablum you posted.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Social Security and Medicare on the table (Past Tense). Third way New Democrats put Glass-Steagall on the table (Past Tense). Third Way New Democrat DWS left the door open and in came a mouse from a previous Clan. For 40 years Sanders has been a Progressive Democrat activist and has been elected over and over again. There is a big difference alright. Hillary Clinton favors third way and New Democrats instead of progressive social democracy. Hillary Clinton received half support of Iowa-no winner. She will lose in NH too. What is next?
Glamrock
(11,719 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)lobbying friends. Legal? Moral? The main thing is that the millions and millions are given to her for quid pro quo. This is politics and that's why the big corporations are involved in politics.
She claims to be anti-Citizens United but willing to use it for her benefit.
She represents the culture of big money corruption in government. Legal? Moral? Something we want our president deep into?
LeFleur1
(1,197 posts)after twenty years of being too good for the Democratic party to suddenly become a Democrat.
Because he needed the money. Ironic, isn't it?
The rules of the game: Citizens United was given the go ahead by the Supreme Court of the land.
Playing by the rules isn't shady at all. It's working within the system as the Supreme Court decided could be done.
Rilgin
(787 posts)Don't you have even one days memory of the Hillary talking points? According to Clinton wall street is taking out ads against her because she is against Wall Street. This ad accuses her of being in bed with Wall Street.
Please explain how it works.
Wall Street takes out an ad against Clinton asserting that Clinton is bad because she likes wall street. Does this not mean that wall street thinks its bad to represent wall street because wall street is bad. So Wall Street is taking out ads against itself as a good part of America. How Machiavellian.
Now returning to the facts. Again, the talking points are Wall Street is running ads against Hillary. But American Crossroads is Rove who is a republican hit man not a wall streeter. Moving on to substance. Your implication is that Bernie is in league with Rove in that both are attacking Hillary. Does that mean when Hillary attacks Trump that she is in league with Ted Cruz?
I really expect better and more consistent spin.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
BainsBane
(52,916 posts)Give me a break. My post is no more a smear that the OP.
I hardly eskew discussions of policy. For example in this very subthread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1150593
Here's a clue: policy involves more than saying Clinton sucks; Bernie is perfect.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)
Logical
(22,457 posts)SDJay
(1,089 posts)It's hard to overstate it. Bernie isn't going to get into this level of specifics in a debate or on the trail, which is fine. That's because this isn't solely about Secretary Clinton, This is how our system currently works and the more people realize this, the more they'll begin to understand what's happening to them beyond surface level rhetoric.
If absolutely nothing else comes of this primary, if millions of people start to actually realize what goes on in the backrooms of politics, it's been a very worthwhile effort. That doesn't mean we should be satisfied, as action needs to follow knowledge, but the knowledge part, in my opinion, has been lacking until this campaign.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)I sure wish that someone made an online viral video about the Podesta brothers... it would help Bernie a LOT.
Uncle Joe
(57,072 posts)Thanks for the thread, EdwardBernays.
Jarqui
(9,785 posts)Fee____ Name 2014 Lobbying Spending
===================================================
$225,500 General Electric $20,085,000
$335,500 Biotechnology Industry Organization $10,186,000
$125,000 Qualcomm Inc $9,530,000
$225,500 Pharmaceutical Care Management Assn $4,284,916
$225,500 National Auto Dealers Assn $3,657,000
$325,000 Cisco Systems $3,450,000
$265,000 Advanced Medical Technology Association $3,392,000
$225,500 Ameriprise Financial $3,390,000
$125,000 Novo Nordisk Pharmaceuticals $3,008,000
$315,000 eBay Inc $2,544,325
$225,000 Xerox Corp $1,435,000
$225,500 Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries $1,380,000
$225,000 Premier Health Alliance $1,258,696
$225,500 Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers $1,083,180
$225,000 United Fresh Produce Assn $1,040,000
$451,000 Salesforce.Com $610,000
$225,500 National Council for Behavioral Health $600,356
$225,500 Corning Inc $600,000
$280,000 Deutsche Bank AG $600,000
$100,000 California Medical Association $350,000
======================================================
$4,575,000 Clinton Fees from firms spending $72,484,473 on lobbying
It's kind of hard to talk your way out of that.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)This is one of my major issues... Corruption. I post about it as much as I can.
Duval
(4,280 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Does anyone remember the camera going to the audience showing Howard Dean last night? Did you notice how low he was sitting in his seat? Know why? Because he was sitting right by Steve Elmendorf!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)
olddots
(10,237 posts)OOPS ......
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)???
bvar22
(39,909 posts)They were all intertwined down in a dark hole.
A bunch of poisonous snakes, all crooked and twisted, and definitely something I wanted to stay away from.
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Funny, but I hadn't thought of that for years...until I read your OP.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)yourout
(7,494 posts)Corrupt to the core.
dae
(3,396 posts)tax breaks for private equity, and real estate firms. How hard do you think he was laughing when Hill was trying to chastize Sanders for his "artful schmeer" implying she could be bought.
Then again, he wasn't laughing when the Quinnipac poll came out today.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)
glinda
(14,807 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)There will be more stories as Sanders is vetted.
NJCher
(34,491 posts)It's public information.
Cher
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Doesn't it bother you in the least little bit that Hillary and hubby have received speaking fees in the past 15 years what would literally take a regular person 7000 years to earn?
Doesn't it worry you just a little bit that Hillary tells the banking industry one thing and the regular people something completely different?
I mean,
quantass
(5,505 posts)Glamrock
(11,719 posts)Sander's had family as paid staff! And unions! They're Super-Pacs you know.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Califonz
(465 posts)Or most Democrats don't want the election to be about a GOP billionaire vs. a Dem hundred-millionaire.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Thank you! This woman has too much baggage and too many skeletons with rotting flesh still clinging to its bones to win the general election.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)That one article alone should end her run, perhaps her career.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)That article is just... It's so damping and irrefutable.
And yet. And yet.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Time for Hillary to hang it up and spend some time enjoying her ill-acquired wealth.
I won't miss her.
KentuckyWoman
(6,594 posts)The fact he went K Street is more proof we live in a Corporatocracy.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)
dixiegrrrrl
(60,009 posts)
