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[daleanime]

1. But the laughter....

will be our own.

[mhatrw]

73. Bernie also represented communist Romania in the Model UN club in grade school!

BREAKING NEWS!

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. (GASP!!!!!) A SOCIALIST kibbutz? Sweet Mother of God save us!

A fucking kibbutz is socialist by it's very NATURE.

[roguevalley]

4. Hava n'kila, bitches. :D

[pnwmom]

5. They didn't all promote the Soviet Union. That was a feature of this particular kibbutz.

And no doubt why Bernie's campaign has been reluctant to name the particular kibbutz where he volunteered.

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. A socialist kibbutz. Maybe you should look up the damn definition.

[pnwmom]

8. The Soviet Union was a communist dictatorship. He could have gone to a different

kibbutz, one that was closer to "democratic socialism," but he chose one that particularly identified with the Soviet Union.

Not Norway. Not Sweden. Not any other Democratic Socialist country.

But with the Soviet Union.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. A different kibbutz? You mean one 'nem capalist ones?

[Wig Master]

18. I wonder about the nordic-inspired kibbutzes.

[mhatrw]

76. They serve herring instead of gefilte fish. nt

[pnwmom]

55. If you did any reading, you'd learn that they didn't all identify with the Soviet Union. n/t

[HooptieWagon]

37. Are you sure it wasn't a feudal kibbutz?

Hard to tell the difference with all those proles running around tending fields.

[mhatrw]

74. Are you now or have you ever been a member of a kibbutz?

[Fairgo]

3. The zen rebuttal

...and?

[pnwmom]

6. And this kibbutz promoted the Soviet Union, a communist dictatorship.

That will not go over well with the general electorate.

[KingCharlemagne]

9. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. Goldwater advocated use of nuclear weapons on

Vietnamese peasants in the 1964 campaign. You think that will go over with the general electorate?

[pnwmom]

13. She was a 16 year old high school student with Republican parents. He was an adult. n/t

[KingCharlemagne]

23. Bernie Sanders was 22 in 1963. You are really having to dig to the very bottom of the

barrel to smear and red-bait. Very unbecoming.

[arcane1]

31. This poster lives at the bottom of the barrel, being contrary for its own sake.

I'm not at all surprised this was the poster to first start playing "the Jew card" against Sanders. Not one bit.

[840high]

80. I've thought that for a

long time.

[kath]

91. Man, that's the freakin' truth.

Among the lowest of the low.

[KittyWampus]

68. AND he had a Soviet flag in his office in Vermont as an ADULT

[beam me up scottie]

69. JFC. Because of Burlington's sister city in Russia.

Soviet flag

Sanders hung the Soviet flag in the mayoral office in Burlington, in honor the city's Soviet sister city Yaroslav.[7]
http://www.keywiki.org/Bernie_Sanders

[notadmblnd]

107. Such desperation

I'd hate to have their jobs.

[KingCharlemagne]

75. At least he doesnt have the blood of of one million innocent Iraqis dripping

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from his hands.

[kath]

93. Absolutely!

[Fairgo]

12. I'm not familiar with General Electorate

Who is she?

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. "it has finally been identified, not surprisingly, as a socialist kibbutz."

Comedy this good couldn't even be written in Hollywood.

A hundred stoners with a flair for comedy couldn't tie this post's shoelaces.

[pnwmom]

15. Why was Bernie's campaign "keeping mum" about which particular kibbutz

he'd volunteered at, if they were proud of its flying the Red flag?

I think they know this will be used against him, and were trying to avoid that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. They knew sooner or later some anti-Semite would go into Red Baiting Mode I guess?

[pnwmom]

28. This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism. This particular kibbutz identified

with the Soviet Union, a communist dictatorship. Different kibbutzes in Israel had different philosophies.

I believe him when he says he is a democratic socialist and that he looks to Scandinavian countries as the model.

HOWEVER, he volunteered at a particular kibbutz that took a communist dictatorship as the model, and since then he's been vague about which kibbutz he spent those months in. No wonder. This will be used against him.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. It already has. Good ol' fashioned Red Baiting with a side of anti-Anti-Semitism goes a long way.

[Luminous Animal]

43. Yes it did. In 1935 before Bernie was born. And before Stalin's anti-semetic campaigns.

Absolutely no evidence that it still identified with the Soviet Union (and I would strongly doubt it given the persecution of Jews under Stalin) that this kibbutz was affiliated with the Soviet Union by the time Bernie arrived in the 60s.

http://forward.com/news/332946/revealed-at-last-inside-the-kibbutz-where-bernie-sanders-lived-and-learned/

[pnwmom]

54. The NYTimes article quoted Mr. Ely, who was a contemporary of Bernie's.

Let's assume you are correct, though.

Will this stop the Koch brothers from their ads with Bernie in front of the Red flag?

Why are Bernie's fans so convinced that Hillary is the only one with baggage that could hurt her in the general?

[mhatrw]

78. Are you now or have you ever been a member of a kibbutz?

[farleftlib]

17. Stop

Too funny!

[beam me up scottie]

30. HAMMER AND SICKLE BABY!

[Matariki]

14. I thought the Republicans loved Isreal?

Volunteering on a kibbutz is practically a quintessential experience for young Jewish people spending time in Israel.

http://kibbutzprogramcenter.org/

[pnwmom]

16. Not every kibbutz held the Soviet Union up as an example and flew the Red flag.

That was special to this particular kibbutz.

[thesquanderer]

34. So did they invade neighboring kibbutzim? Tell them to stop practicing their religion? (n/t)

[mhatrw]

81. So this is what Clinton meant by "Sanders hasn't been vetted"?

With vetting like this, who needs friends?

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I think the Republicans would be hesitant to make ads with such antisemitic tones.

nt

[Nanjeanne]

21. But it's ISRAEL. They will be so confused!

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[pnwmom]

32. His supporters are so certain that only Hillary has baggage, when the truth is

that until recently the national media -- and the GOP attack machine -- has hardly paid any attention to him. That will change.

[Bonobo]

24. Shameful OP.

Red-baiting and Jew-baiting at the same time.

Delicious!

[arcane1]

27. I warned that the "He's not a Christian" attacks would be coming soon.

It's the surest sign yet that the Clinton crew is terrified.

I welcome it! :Bounce:

[Bonobo]

42. Everyone knows kibbutz are socialist. This is an excuse to remind us he's a JEW!

An uber Jew- the kind that would go to a kibbutz!

And such a name! Who could even PRONOUNCE THAT!!! Not very American if you ask me!!

No, make no mistake. This line of attack plays on both anti-semitism AND red-baiting.


Shameful.

[treestar]

46. The OP did not attack him for not being a Christian

She only pointed to what Republicans will say.

None of us care about the kibbutz. The Republicans - the same ones who call Obama a communist because his mother had some friend - are the ones that will find that and talk about that trip too. They made a fuss about Bill Clinton going to the USSR too.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. An, the old "republicans will say" gambit.

Republicans will also say Hillary is still under a cloud of potential FBI trouble over her email issue.

Hey, Im not saying it, but Republicans will!

[beam me up scottie]

39. Someone had to finally go there on DU.

Add this to the long list of anti-Semitic smears coming from Hillary supporters.








Note to jury: not making this up, see my journal for links to others

[Bonobo]

44. I hope the lack of RECS represents that other Hillary supporters reject this.

It is disgusting.

[beam me up scottie]

50. Well I won't get my hopes up.

They did rec the anti-Semitic thread from tomatobubble.

[treestar]

47. It is not anti-Semitic

That must be clear. This is only trying to use the fact it was a kibbutz and therefore Jewish to play the victim.

The Republicans ranted on about Clinton going to the USSR too.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Oh we've gone round on anti-Semitism before, remember?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251624166

You're just about the LAST person I would consult about whether or not something is anti-Semitic.

[treestar]

62. You were wrong there too

I told you in that thread you were being disgusting, and it's even worse to bring it up again later.

Geez, even mentioning that Bernie is Jewish is "anti-Semitic." You're just using that. It's the equivalent as I said there of you being a misogynist for all your slams on Hillary.

[beam me up scottie]

65. You said questioning a Jewish American's loyalty isn't anti-Semitic.

Even though it was explained to you by another Jewish DUer.

Care to explain why you disagree again?

[Bonobo]

53. It plays of anti-Semitic fear of the Jew as the other.

I don't expect you to understand but don't even TRY to lecture me about what is anti-semitic.

Like other minorities, until you have experienced it and lived it, you have no place to tell us what it is.

Or maybe you feel that you are ready to start telling black people what is and what is not racism against black people.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Remember that poster's comments in the Diane Rehm thread?

Go back and read them.

[treestar]

59. Why bring up another argument?

You trying to make it personal?

[beam me up scottie]

60. Because you're lecturing a Jew on whether or not something is anti-Semitic.

Your past history regarding this issue is extremely relevant.

[treestar]

63. So is everything anti-Semitic?

Even mentioning that Bernie was at a kibbutz is anti-Semitic? I don't have to be Jewish to know what is and is not anti-Semitic.

[beam me up scottie]

67. Strawman, this was just explained to you - again.

Yet you refuse to listen, you know better than Bonobo.

[treestar]

79. I might

You don't just get to say "I'm (whatever)" and dictate to everyone else.

I get to tell him what is misogynistic then. I'm sure he's said something about Hillary I can spin that way.

[beam me up scottie]

82. Go ahead but you are still responsible for the things you posted.

[treestar]

58. I just see the Republicans as going after it the red baiting way

it wouldn't matter whether it was a kibbutz or not.

Thus my point about Bill Clinton. And with Obama it was more ridiculous. He was a communist because his other had some friend who was one when he was a kid. This is along that lines.

[ornotna]

25. Your doing a great job

The GOP won't have to write them.

OMG! A socialist kibbutz!

The kibbutz (Hebrew word for “communal settlement”) is a unique rural community; a society dedicated to mutual aid and social justice; a socioeconomic system based on the principle of joint ownership of property, equality and cooperation of production, consumption and education; the fulfillment of the idea “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”; a home for those who have chosen it.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/kibbutz.html

[arcane1]

26. Sounds like you're offering to write them.

You can be afraid of the mean old republicans, but I'm not.

[Luminous Animal]

29. According to another site, the kibbutz was fond of the Soviet Union WHEN IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1935

You know, before Bernie was born. Zero evidence whatsoever that is saw the Soviet Union as a model when Bernie visited the one in Israel in the 60s.

http://forward.com/news/332946/revealed-at-last-inside-the-kibbutz-where-bernie-sanders-lived-and-learned/

Yet another post that is short on facts and long on insinuation.

[pnwmom]

36. Mr. Ely was there at the same time Bernie was, and he mentioned the Red flag

in his account.

[Cleita]

35. So what?

You don't think the GOP hasn't written all the Hillary hit pieces too?

[pnwmom]

48. I know they have written Hillary hit pieces. But many here are convinced

Bernie won't be facing the same sort of attacks.

He will. Obama was attacked for being a socialist, which was ridiculous. Why people think this won't be an issue for Bernie in the General is beyond me.

[Arazi]

38. I went to a band camp in Finland once. Socialist!!1!!!1

Yup, I'm just a commie now because I once went to a summer camp in a socialist country!

[840high]

84. oh NO! Findland.

[last1standing]

40. "Paging Sen. McCarthy. Paging Sen. McCarthy to the Red Phone.."

"Sen. McCarthy, Mr. Hoover has more information about reds under the bed. Repeat more information about reds under the bed."

Oh! Won't someone think of the children who'll be exposed by this monster to the dirty ideology of caring "about your brother or your neighbor or whoever it is?"

It's a good thing we have good people like NoHope Hillary ready to champion the American Dream by channeling McCarthy and Hoover for our sake.

[Mike__M]

41. Oh. My. Dog.

I can't believe "Mr. Sanders would have internalized a political imperative to improve the lot of other.... The imprint was believe in people, and be responsible for them. Not only for yourself."
The shame.
That does it for me. I'm going to "look into" supporting another candidate.

[Glamrock]

45. I could be wrong

But my belief is that the resonations of his money out of politics message will be substantially louder than the attack ads. To be honest, I think these self-writing attack ads will help him. Example: "Blah blah money in politics. Did a see the latest one calling me a Communist? Case in point, look who's paying for it." I don't man. It's gonna be interesting to say the least.

[HooptieWagon]

49. I'm sticking around, this thread is likely to become a hoot.

[Mike__M]

57. Allow me. . .

My Little Commie, My Little Commie, aah aah aah ah aaah

[Odin2005]

51. Red-baiting crap.

[treestar]

64. At least you are sticking to the issue

The Republicans will do it as they always do.

[Odin2005]

70. People scared by the word "socialism" will not be voting for Democrats, anyway.

[pnwmom]

72. There are many centrist and moderate Dems who would be put off

by the idea of supporting the Soviet Union, which was a communist dictatorship.

[treestar]

77. True. It was never Democrats

who do this stuff. It is a Republican tactic. It probably doesn't work that well with other than raging right wingers. Going to the USSR doesn't mean you will become a communist. Right wingers think once you are exposed to something you will be infected by it.

[HooptieWagon]

61. I dunno...sounds pretty kosher to me...

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

66. It's over, pnwmom, the Democrats can't win. Both candidates are unelectable. Too flawed

[Truprogressive85]

71. This not the 50's nor the 60's the Commie bullshit work only works on the older demographics

[pnwmom]

85. And voters over 50 are the ones most likely to get to the polls. n/t

[Truprogressive85]

86. so they are the only ones ??

oh I did not know that maybe all those 45 under should stay home than ?

[truebrit71]

83. Wow, Red and Jew-baiting in one singularly disgusting OP...

You must be so proud of yourself...

[pnwmom]

89. The NYT article will be the first of many on this topic. You must not have been

paying attention when all the claims were being made about Obama, of all people, being a socialist.

[beam me up scottie]

106. And look at who rec'd this bigoted garbage.

[Joe the Revelator]

88. Wait! Bernie is Jewish????

That is what this OP is really about.

[grasswire]

90. Better a long-ago kibbutz than a pending DoJ indictment. mt

[pnwmom]

94. There is no pending indictment and there won't be. Even the GOP

sources say they doubt there will ever be -- because they know they're just blowing smoke.

[grasswire]

99. we will see, won't we? nt

[amborin]

92. that would be anti-Israel and anti-Israeli.. they'd alienate huge demographic slices

Idk that much but one of my teen friends worked on a kibbutz one summer and she led me to believe they are all collectivist and/or socialist

[pnwmom]

96. Some of them are more religiously oriented. And while they are all socialist,

they weren't all connected to the Soviet Union style of socialism.

[Warren DeMontague]

103. Why do Hillary's supporters hate Israel?

I think I'll ask twitter right now.

[Live and Learn]

95. The GOP won't dare use this. Only Hillary supporters on DU would use such a stupid meme. nt

[pnwmom]

100. Won't dare? But they'd dare to use baseless birther and socialist attacks against BHO?

Yeah, right.

[grntuscarora]

97. These Bernie attacks are getting sillier and sillier.

Best to stick to the issue differences, so you at least sound like adults.

[notadmblnd]

98. Really? You're going there?

Attacking Bernie Sanders because he's Jewish and volunteered on an Israeli Kibbutz? Wow! And some HRC supporters here have called me low because I made a crack about her narcissistic personality.

I guess I'm in good company now, huh?

Looking on the bright side though- I guess this blows the "Sanders is an Atheist" argument out of the stratosphere, doesn't it?

Also, are you aware the choice of kibbutz is usually determined by the kibbutz office in Tel Aviv, not the volunteer?

[pnwmom]

104. If he didn't see this as a problem, why has his campaign been refusing to answer

reporters who wanted to know which particular kibbutz he volunteered at?

Why was he hiding something so inconsequential?

[Warren DeMontague]

101. Yeah, you guys run with that.

Meanwhile, the crickets on this thread are deafening-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1140849

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

102. HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha...

Oh, wait, you're serious.

[Hiraeth]

105. trash thread.

[Jefferson23]

108. Your concern for Bernie is duly noted. lol