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Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:28 PM

Thomas Friedman to Republicans: This time around you should just take a pass, try in 4 years.

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http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/02/11/should_republicans_just_give_up.html

Friedman likens the Republicans to somebody playing scrabble where all the letters you have left are unplayable duds. Sometimes its better passing than trying to make out some convoluted word out of a bunch of wacky letters. Pretty funny and accurate analogy. Right now the key Republicans are searching through their dictionaries trying to figure out some possible word that you can make up out of a bunch of unplayable letters.



WATCHING the Republican Party struggling to agree on a presidential candidate, one wonders whether the G.O.P. shouldn’t just sit this election out — just give 2012 a pass.





Josh Haner/The New York Times

Thomas L. Friedman


You know how in Scrabble sometimes you look at your seven letters and you’ve got only vowels that spell nothing? What do you do? You go back to the pile. You throw your letters back and hope to pick up better ones to work with. That’s what Republican primary voters seem to be doing. They just keep going back to the pile but still coming up with only vowels that spell nothing.

There’s a reason for that: Their pile is out of date. The party has let itself become the captive of conflicting ideological bases: anti-abortion advocates, anti-immigration activists, social conservatives worried about the sanctity of marriage, libertarians who want to shrink government, and anti-tax advocates who want to drown government in a bathtub.

Sorry, but you can’t address the great challenges America faces today with that incoherent mix of hardened positions. I’ve argued that maybe we need a third party to break open our political system. But that’s a long shot. What we definitely and urgently need is a second party — a coherent Republican opposition that is offering constructive conservative proposals on the key issues and is ready for strategic compromises to advance its interests and those of the country.

Without that, the best of the Democrats — who have been willing to compromise — have no partners and the worst have a free pass for their own magical thinking. Since such a transformed Republican Party is highly unlikely, maybe the best thing would be for it to get crushed in this election and forced into a fundamental rethink — something the Democrats had to go through when they lost three in a row between 1980 and 1988. We need a “Different Kind of Republican” the way Bill Clinton gave us a “Different Kind of Democrat

more at the link


As a fairly 'moderate' Democrat I am all for trying the 'crushing' them into sawdust option and see what comes out of it. Would be a lot better than the obstructionist idiots we have now.

Worth a try.

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Reply Thomas Friedman to Republicans: This time around you should just take a pass, try in 4 years. (Original post)
grantcart Feb 2012 OP
Dawson Leery Feb 2012 #1
gateley Feb 2012 #2
Loki Feb 2012 #3
Cosmocat Feb 2012 #15
NC_Nurse Feb 2012 #4
mazzarro Feb 2012 #5
Kalidurga Feb 2012 #6
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #7
snot Feb 2012 #11
Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #19
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #20
Jakes Progress Feb 2012 #21
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #22
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #8
Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #9
grantcart Feb 2012 #10
Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #13
Occupy_2012 Feb 2012 #12
DCBob Feb 2012 #14
Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #16
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #18
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #24
great white snark Feb 2012 #25
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #26
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #27
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #29
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #30
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #31
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #33
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #34
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #35
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #36
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #37
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #38
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #39
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #41
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #42
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #43
rhett o rick Feb 2012 #44
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #45
LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #17
davidpdx Feb 2012 #23
K Gardner Feb 2012 #28
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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:32 PM

1. The far right needs to be crushed.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:36 PM

2. I love that they're spending scads of money which will ultimately be for naught. nt

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:33 AM

3. What makes him think that in four years

they will have anything better than this drek. "Fundamental rethink"......there's not a thinking brain among the whole lot.

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Response to Loki (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 10:22 AM

15. They are two years from like a 46 seat swing their way in the House

and darn near taking the senate.

Even if Obama wins reelection, the Ds might lose the senate, and the chances of getting the house back are pretty low.

This is a party that people had as dead after 08, two big elections where they lost A LOT of ground, but the ginned up an attack on freedom because of HCR, and had a bit 2000 election.

They are going NOWHERE, and they are not going to stray from their playbook which, sadly, works VERY well to win elections - use one of three strategies:

1) Gin up social issues
2) Gin up some kind of personal drama against the D president
3) Gin up national security issues.

They don't have a long term strategy. They just do what they do, be mean, angry and ALWAYS take the high ground as being THE PARTY OF THE USA.

They took control in 2000 after a really great 8 year period under Clinton by just screaming loud enough about social issues that people got fed up and just gave the control. They had the worst national security blunder in our history occur on THEIR watch, but used it to political gain to control the country for half a decade. They wore out their welcome and got booted in 06/08, but simply doubled down on stupid to get power back in 2000.

I have seen enough over the last two decades now to know for a fact, the people in this country are nothing if not oblivious and easily swayed by their BS, and they are mean, angry and power hungry, and will NEVER stop or go away.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 12:46 AM

4. How can they "rethink" what they don't think about in the first place. It seems

thinking has been outlawed by the RW'ers - it's all bout fear and rage and red meat these days.

"Who do we hate today, Brain?"

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:28 AM

5. As a flaming liberal/progressive, I want the rePIGS crushed, powdered ...

and blown away never to be reconstituted in any shape or form near what the GOP is now.

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Response to mazzarro (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:39 AM

6. I vote crush them...

They are like zombies they will keep coming back in search of brains..Perhaps someday they will find one.

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Response to mazzarro (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:40 AM

7. You are being misdirected. The war isnt with the GOP, it's with the oligarchs. And they have a good

 

hold on most Democrats in Washington the DC.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 02:17 AM

11. +1!

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:44 PM

19. Yep. We have become a party of reagan democrats.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:56 PM

20. The oligarchs arent so stupid that they didnt figure out they could buy

 

Democrats almost as easily as they can buy R'cons. Power is the root of all evil.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:09 PM

21. I think they saw the crazies in their republican party

imploding and just moved shop over to the Dems. Bought the store and moved in.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 04:14 PM

22. The conservatives created their monster which included the wacko's.

 

The conservatives needed the monster to win elections and gain control. But the monster took over the party. Now many conservatives believe that they with the unlimited funding of their corporate masters, can control the Democratic party. Look what happened in Calif over the single payer health plan. It only took two Democrats to sell out and the oligarchs win. Our party is such that we allow these turncoats to remain in the party.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:56 AM

8. Democrats- "free pass for their own magical thinking"



It seems like Republicans only ever function effectively as the "dis-)loyal opposition". When they actually win back power at any level, they don't really do anything with it other than use it to enrich themselves and their buddies among the 1% and ruthlessly work on keeping it to themselves by any means necessary by disenfranchising people likely to vote to elect Democrats, mercilessly pummeling any criticism/opposition to their policies, and keeping people distracted by "wedge issues" like abortion, GLBT issues, etc. When the opposition to their policies/governance becomes overwhelming and they inevitably get turned out of power, they don't re-think their actions/policies but rather simply double-down and resume their efforts to obstruct and cripple Democratic initiatives and make them look weak and ineffective, setting the stage for their eventual comeback

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 01:59 AM

9. GC - can you add the link?

Still can't get over the change in Friedman the last 4 years or so.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 06:21 AM

13. Thanks!

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Response to Occupy_2012 (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 09:10 AM

14. with a Libertarian focus.

That would be formidable party.

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Response to Occupy_2012 (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:47 AM

16. Ron Paul is a Republican not an 'independent'

 

He is GOP. He's run as a Republican and gets elected as a Republican. He could easily go 'independent' and he does not. Why? He's a Republican.

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Response to Occupy_2012 (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:39 PM

18. I disagree. The Democratic Party is picking up ex-R'cons and independents as

 

the the party moves to the right. A lot of Democrats on the left seem to me to be dropping out of the Democratic Party. I heard that approx 75% of OWS indicate they are independents. These are disgruntled Democrats.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 04:19 PM

24. Mind if I call bullshit?

"A lot of Democrats on the left seem to me to be dropping out of the Democratic Party. I heard that approx 75% of OWS indicate they are independents. These are disgruntled Democrats."


Would you like to provide something in the way of proof for your assertions? I know the main focus of some on this board is to create the mistaken impression that liberals either don't like this president and/or the Democratic Party. And as for OWS, there was always a strong libertarian style Ron Paul streak running through it, which is why I was never that excited about them. Once I saw the Ron Paul signs on display, I knew it wasn't for me.

All that being said, I would sure like to have some backup for the wild "anecodtal" claims you made? You know......proof?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 05:38 PM

25. No, please do.

And thank you for doing so.

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Response to great white snark (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 07:04 PM

26. I mean, shouldn't there be some minimum standard of accountability, even at DU?

Should a broad sweeping declaration be allowed to stand and/or go unchallenged in the face of proof to the contrary? Last poll I saw, showed the president had an 88% approval with liberals. Since there's not a single link or article in the post, why should anyone believe the poster? If the poster in question is an intellectually honest person, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, he/she will provide some backup for such a sweeping statement. And, likewise, if the poster isn't an honest person, they'll pretend not to see my request. It's that simple, doncha think?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:35 PM

27. I dont have proof. But it makes sense to me. If you have proof otherwise, I will be

 

more than glad to listen. What is your explanation of OWS? I would love to hear. I understand how you might not like my claims. That's fair. You tell us what you think.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:17 AM

29. Doesn't really matter what I "think", because I can only speak for me. You, on the other hand, made

some really sweeping claims about democrats leaving the party and becoming independents. I merely asked for some empirical data to back that up. You sounded so sure, and you may be right, but a claim like yours shouldn't be allowed to go unchallenged as people may get the idea you know what you're talking about.

In the absence of actual proof and/or scientific data to support your claim, we probably don't have much to talk about?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 01:36 AM

30. I did make sweeping claims that I do not have data to back up. But apparently you also

 

have no data to prove my "sweeping claims" wrong. You and your group seem to spend your time challenging but never stating your stands on issues. I dare you to tell us why you think there is an OWS. Go ahead an prove you got something but criticism.

I have no data but claim OWS is a reaction to the inability of Democrats to check the corruption of Wall Street. What do you have to say? Other than you think I am crazy. Tell us some facts on your own.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 02:18 AM

31. "Tell us some facts on your own." Why? You haven't.

And you're still making sweeping statements. You obviously can't stop yourself.

"You and your group" seem to spend your time challenging but never stating your stands on issues"
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On the flip side, however, "you and your group" seem content to just make shit up, and that's sad. Who can respect that? Even if there were a grain of truth in what you say, if you become known for making shit up, the rest of what you have to say becomes pretty much irrelevant. It's about credibility. If OWS follows your lead, I don't see much of an impact, or a future for that matter. And as for "challenging"? Let's just say I have a finely tuned bullshit detector.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:38 AM

33. I stated my opinion. If you dont agree, please give us the benefit of your insight.

 

I believe that OWS is a reaction to the inability of Democrats to turn the problem of corruption in Wall Street and politics around. That's my opinion. What do you think other than say I am full of bullshit. One poll showed that 70% (I think there is another poll that says 75% but I might be wrong) were independents. It's my guess that those independents are progressive leaning independents and some progressive libertarians (most likely people that supported Obama in 2008).
http://occupywallst.org/article/70-percent-ows-supporters-independent/

It is my opinion that the Democratic party has shifted right. Again my opinion. But almost all of Pres Obama's advisers and appointees are conservative. Time Geitner and Jeff Immelt are good examples but if you need more I can give them to you.

It's easy to sit back and call bullshit on everything you disagree with, it is quit another to actually provide a counter argument.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 12:18 PM

34. Who can counter bullshit? I mean you started from a false "made up" premise, and expect....

people to refute you? You made it UP, and when challenged, you chose to take "me and my group" to task for shit you made up? I mean WTF?

As for OWS, the Ron Paul signs were a dead giveaway. When they booed & ran off John Lewis, a Civil Rights era icon, I was done with whatever enthusiasm I initially had for them. I'm going out on a limb here and "hypothesize" that OWS is comprised of mostly college educated & priveleged white youngsters who don't have much to lose, no matter who's in the WH. The flag burning was just icing on the cake, and a definite turnoff for folks who once empathized with them.

They claim not to be political, so what impact can they possibly hope to have on the body politick? As much as I despise the Tea Party, at least they were able to draft some of the most vile people on the planet to run for office, and guess what? They actually won. Until OWS does something similar, they're just a bunch of folks getting together to bitch & moan. Hell, I can do that from here.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 10:44 PM

35. At least you stated that you do not support OWS. Thanks for being honest.

 

Good luck hanging with the status quo.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 16, 2012, 02:37 PM

36. Same to you? And good luck hanging with Ron Paul and his racist supporters.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 16, 2012, 11:51 PM

37. And good luck hanging out with the other OWS haters like Hannity and O'Reilly. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:27 AM

38. Try Harder!

You seem to confuse indifference with hate. But whatever.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:08 PM

39. Indifference? or lack of commitment. But if you are indifferent, why do you respond in threads

 

discussing OWS? That's rhetorical I dont care.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 12:55 PM

41. "But if you are indifferent, why do you respond in threads discussing OWS?"

Perhaps you should re-read the title of the o.p.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 02:33 PM

42. I enjoy a good natured discussion. Cant handle the mocking emoticons. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 02:53 PM

43. Then I guess there's nothing more to say? Good to know that "emoticons" are your tipping point....

I would've thought the false narrative you set out to create in the post that started this would be more important, but then I value honesty above emoticons. Who knew?

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 02:54 PM

44. Are you being snarky because you are bored? Never mind, i dont care. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:00 PM

45. Nope. You introduced the snark. I just followed your lead. But I'll say this, you couldn't have..

chosen a more appropriate screen name for what you tried to pass off as absolute truth.

"These are disaffected Democrats."


I merely asked for some numbers to back that up. I didn't ask you about Independents, I asked about "disaffected Democrats". In the absence of any data to confirm this, we probably don't have much more to say to each other?

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:53 AM

17. I would rather have them find their best and be demolished.

It will help on the down tickets. If they don't compete, we get a pass, and they don't get branded as much.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:01 AM

23. He's got an interesting point of view

I don't personally agree with him on everything. The part where he said, "There is no way we can thrive in this era without this kind of public-private partnership. We need strong government, but limited government, which enables our companies and individuals to compete globally. It’s the kind of public-private partnership that Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and George H.W. Bush embraced" kind of irked me.

I bought his book, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet. With my doctoral studies and work I've been so swamped it takes me months to get through a "leisure" book (if you can really call it that).

While I'm talking about books, I highly recommend 23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism by Ha Joon Chang. He uses Korea as a good example of how government can help boost an economy.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 10:52 PM

28. I love this, thanks for posting. I would've missed it. n/t

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Wed Feb 15, 2012, 07:04 AM

32. As completely and totally crazy as this sounds...

 

The RNC, in jumping solidly on Romney from Day 1...have stepped in enough steaming piles to make it look like they are at least sleep-walking their way to 2016. Caucus Interruptus - Part Douche! Thoughts at 3 A.M. http://thoughtsatthreeam.blogspot.com/?spref=tw

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2012, 09:43 PM

40. What happened Tom?

You get tired of being the GOP's bitch?

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