Why for fours years did Hillary ask all of us to help pay off her 10 million dollar campaign debt?

[ViseGrip]

while she was making millions speaking??? I'm just asking because I find it offensive, when you're making money like that, and you don't want anyone to know what you're saying to make that money, and you certainly know that you are running for president.

Again, just asking. I received many, many, emails asking for help from her.

Did anyone else here?

[cantbeserious]

1. Great Question - Maybe It Is All About Privatizing Profit While Socializing Costs - Like A True 1%er

eom

[ViseGrip]

7. Funny, if it weren't so greedy and sad. Asking people, so many out of work for help with her

mismanaged bills. MISMANAGED FUNDS is another issue to think about with her. I thought of that back then, when she had that debt.

[LiberalArkie]

48. I skipped my lunch for over a year to send her money back then. It really hurt. I think getting by

eating one meal a day is what put me in the hospital. And then to find out the money she was pulling in. If she is the nominee it will be very hard to vote for her.

[EdwardBernays]

51. Ummmm wow!

That's extremely messed up... Poor you!

[LiberalArkie]

52. Well I have a probable in that I tend to believe people that I trust(ed). And I did manage to get

down to 155lbs from 205. It was the damn helicopter ride to the hospital that did me in. Insurance only covered $1000 a year for transportation. $11,500 for the ride. The only time I have ever been in a helicopter. The pisser was it was heartburn and not heart attack. Hillary nope I can not support you right now, personal reasons.

[EdwardBernays]

55. Holy cow!

So I take it you're not in LR then?

That all sucks.

My dad died from cancer... Was only sick for about a month. Cost my mom 100k.

Crazy stuff.

[LiberalArkie]

61. Yea, But now I pay $50 a year to the helicopter service so I son't worry about it any more.

My mom went with altzheimers and my dad from lung disease. I took care both of them until they were gone. Me I have standing DNR with my docs and they know just to donate the body or cremate and flush what is left.

[EdwardBernays]

67. That tough

My mom still lives there and as I'm thousands of miles away I don't know what she's gonna do.. Life. Ugh.

[LiberalArkie]

69. I live between and Perryville. Yea life, not much to do without it. I am just pissed off about the

Occupy movement. When I retired, I went around shaking hands with some the people I worked with all the time and the CEO asked me what I wanted to do, I told him "Get arrested at an Occupy Wallstreet demonstration" He laughed real hard and shook my hands and told me good luck with that.

[CorporatistNation]

68. She Has ZERO Character Both personally And Politically.. Her History

tells the tale.... sadly...

[virtualobserver]

79. I'm so sorry that happened to you. You were skipping lunch so that she could pay herself back.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/clinton-lends-campaign-6-million/?_r=0

total of 11 million in loans

[Betty Karlson]

97. Yes, the 1 % sense of entitlement is ugly to behold. eom

[Sienna86]

2. Thought of the same thing last week.

She sent many emails asking for help.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. I got those, and this is why I sent them to junk mail. Especially after the 7 min mark.

.



Dissing MLK, Jessie Jackson, Rev. Wright, favoring McCain over Obama, etc., and her allusion to assassination.

She partially atoned for her actions, but KXL, Big Money, Big Oil, etc. gives me reservations.

I will vote Democratic, no matter who the nominee is, but I stand uncommitted right now.


.

[Enthusiast]

43. Holy shit! I remember that! Well done, Keith! You are the best! I wish you had a TV program.

I wish you had a sports program like the one on ESPN. We recorded it every night.

[frylock]

3. Maybe she can set up a Go Fund Me account this time.

[whatchamacallit]

4. She's your better

Why don't you understand some people deserve more?

[monicaangela]

37. You may be joking, but I really

believe she thinks she is and she does....

[alfredo]

50. You have to have a big ego to even think you can be president.

[monicaangela]

81. Yes you must have high self esteem...

a big ego...I'm not so sure, ego can be good as well as bad and is something that drives us, but does not demand we have it in order to accomplish a feat such as running for president:

[alfredo]

88. I guess MLK is an example of the good, and Rush as the bad expression of self esteem.

[monicaangela]

93. Following the definition...

given by Freud, I believe that is correct: hi: .

[alfredo]

94. Great beauty can be a blessing or curse. The blessed know the limits of beauty.

[monicaangela]

95. Regarding that subject....

The more people explore the world, the more they realize in every country there's a different aesthetic. Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Helena Christensen

[alfredo]

99. Just as there's a differing view of pragmatism and idealism

One's a sellout, the other naive.

[monicaangela]

100. When speaking of Pragmatism or realism vs. idealism

I believe again, the definition is in the eye of the beholder. Who is to say that change, needed change should or is classified as idealism where pragmatism or realism is the only thing we can hope to ever gain. I believe Bernie Sanders is more pragmatic than Hillary Clinton. I believe the ideas that Bernie continues to present are not only realistic and something we as a people can obtain, but also that those who don't feel we can accomplish anything more than we have so far are not pragmatist but more like defeatist. We are a nation that has come from enslaving human beings to elected one of those that would truly have been enslaved to the highest office in the land. We have come from a nation that considered women and any man that was not wealthy and a land owner nothing more than chattel or servants. We have gained civil rights in more areas than I care to name here, and some are still saying we need to be pragmatic. We didn't make the gains we have made in this nation by being pragmatic, we did it by forcing the establishment to think outside the box. I personally believe we should stay the course.

[alfredo]

105. Sanders is better at voicing his idealism.

I think both Sanders and Hillary know it will be very hard to get anything done, but they can't voice that on the campaign trail. They have to be positive and upbeat.

I can't think straight today, got some bad medical news and everyone is bugging me with their sympathy and good thoughts. You know how it is. The C word scares the shit out of people. In my case it was caught early and my prospects are good. So if I don't respond, it's because I'm too distracted to get into the high weeds on this.

[monicaangela]

107. Sanders is better at quoting what he has been representing

idealism or for some of us pragmatism but a steady record for more than 25 years, is easy to voice rather than a pragmatism that comes with a finger in the wind flip/flop attempt to garner votes....not to mention the dirty politics coming from his opponent.

I am sorry to hear abut your medical news and understand perfectly the challenge those that care may be placing on your time. Be grateful for those that care enough to ask about your health and wish you well. I understand if you are distracted, thank you for the good conversation and take care of yourself. I will be thinking of you and hoping your dilemma comes to an end rapidly.

[alfredo]

108. Thanks. The phone has been very active.

Big Family.

[MrMickeysMom]

5. Well, it certainly fits the motto...

Privatize profits - Socialize debt.

[ViseGrip]

10. kick

[Uncle Joe]

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, ViseGrip.

[PoliticAverse]

8. Why do millionaire preachers ask for more money from past donors

(some of whom are on small, fixed incomes).

Because they can.

[DanTex]

15. Or Bernie for that matter.

[Fumesucker]

19. You've got us there...

Hillary on the other hand is clean because she has no small donors.

[DanTex]

25. At some point I begin to wonder whether it's ethical for Bernie to continue to solicit donations

from people who probably could be using that money for better purposes in their lives. It's a bit like marketing lottery tickets.

[Fumesucker]

28. That's what I like about you

Your subtle and self deprecating humor.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

38. "from people who probably could be using that money for better purposes in their lives."

Yeah!

Like ordering a pizza!

[Politicalboi]

53. "From people who probably could be using that money for better purposes in their lives"

Like giving it to HilLAIRY?

Jealousy.

[DesertFlower]

56. can't blame bernie. if someone can't afford

it -- then they shouldn't donate. i don't think bernie would want them to either.

[libdem4life]

73. You are serious? OMG...poor people wanting a representative for the first time in decades?

How dare they.

Wonder no more. No one is going without food for sending a few bucks to Bernie. For myself, I have him on a $10 a month Auto deduction. I'm a disabled, female on SS...but can still "afford" to pledge $10 a month. A couple of lattes for some folk. I'll survive...trust me...no need to worry.

And no, I don't do the Lottery.

[JDPriestly]

39. Bernie is not poor, but he has nowhere near the personal money that Hillary and Bill have.

[libdem4life]

74. Nor do his millions of "small donors". But we can afford to keep on donating our pittances,

as compared to the Real Donor's hauls for Hillary.

Pretty soon they may get the message...they aren't Princes of Politics and Presidential Power.

[JDPriestly]

90. And this year, the issue is not women. It is protecting what is left of our democracy

from the pressure of the money of the rich.

In my view, the problem is not so much the wealth of the rich although they need to pay a fair share of their money in taxes. Rather it is the influence they can buy and do buy with their money, the influence in our government.

The TPP and other trade agreements are symptoms of too much money circulating in our political system, too much corporate money and wealthy money going into campaigns, elections and to our politicians.

It's time to get the money under control so that we all can have a voice in our government.

[libdem4life]

91. No, the issue surely is not women. We want our Oligarchy turned back into Democracy.

We want the egregious upward "mobility" of the money to the top few, re-distributed for the better of all, especially the groups that Democrats have championed for decades...and that strongly includes POC.

Of course that also precludes the demise of Rich Citizen's United against the not-rich Peasants so we can get back to another, out-of-date concept...that each vote is equal.

[ViseGrip]

9. She is not a good money manager, and that has not been discussed and should be discussed.

[Ino]

11. She was *forced* to forgive what she loaned to herself.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/22/hillary-clintons-campaign-debt-finally-paid-off/

Clinton's presidential organization spent the final day of 2012 paying down the remaining debt, according to documents filed with the Federal Election Commission late Tuesday.

Clinton's debt reached its peak in June 2008 shortly after the former New York senator suspended her campaign. At that point, her presidential committee owed $12 million to almost 500 creditors and $13.2 million to the candidate herself, who dipped into her personal funds to help finance her campaign.

Campaign finance laws forced Clinton to forgive the amount she loaned her committee because she was not able to repay the funds by a required deadline.

A federal law known as the Hatch Act prohibited Clinton and other federal government employees from personally soliciting or accepting political contributions. The law does allow others to raise funds on Clinton's behalf, without her direct involvement. Former President Bill Clinton periodically sent out fundraising appeals to his wife's campaign email list to help retire her debt.

She's not good with money, with a budget. Not a good administrator it seems.

Obama asked us to help pay off her debt!

[snagglepuss]

76. The Clintons made $230 MILLION since leaving the White House

Her begging for money is monumental greed.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1103620

[reformist2]

12. Yet another thread that no Hillary fans will respond to...

[rufus dog]

13. Didn't Obama cover her shortfall?

I seem to recall that his campaign covered her.

Your point is still valid, it comes across as a scam when you are out lining your pockets while not covering your own debt. Actually it doesn't come across as a scam....

[ViseGrip]

16. Not a scam. Just why is she asking us, and why is Obama forgiving her when she has the money?

See how this cronyism works?

[PoliticAverse]

27. No, there are rules preventing such things. He did ask his donors to help Clinton, see...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511159380#post21

[rufus dog]

31. Thanks for the info

I do recall getting emails

[Little Star]

14. I have a question.....

Can you name me any politician who has paid out of their own pocket for their own campaign debt?

They don't & even Trump won't. Who could have more money than him.

[ViseGrip]

17. Oh yes there are!

State parties are not so fast to 'forgive' the lower candidates. And they change finance rules every cycle, just to catch a few, to fine them 250.00. They need to make money too.

So again, it's the little ones who pay.

[Little Star]

24. Apples vs Oranges...

My real intent was about presidential candidates. Sorry, I should have been more specific. So now can you answer that here or should I resubmit my question to you?

[Fumesucker]

22. I have a question too...

If all the other politicians jumped off a cliff, should Hillary jump also?

[alfredo]

49. No, they need someone to post it to Instagram.

[Arazi]

23. Sure, Jon Corzine, Michael Bloomburg, Steve Forbes, Ross Perot, Bruce Rauner

These are just off the top of my head. I believe Carly Fiorina self financed her failed Senate run too but I'm not 100% sure on that one

I'll be shocked if Trump has to fundraise. He hasn't so far and he's made that a centerpiece of his speeches

[Cassiopeia]

101. That's only because of the free air time the MSM has given him.

I've noticed his TV time has decreased slightly since Iowa. A couple more losses and he may have to actually buy TV time like the other candidates.

[monicaangela]

40. According to Hillary she and Bill gave speeches and made money to that way to pay off the debt....

Of course we all know this is yet another lie.

[TTUBatfan2008]

70. Bloomberg has the most money

And I could see him being a strong third party candidate if he chooses to run in the general election.

[DanTex]

18. Didn't Obama help her out with the debt? I don't remember.

Anyway, the simple thing for you to do is not donate to her. A lot of people appreciated all her efforts, and wanted to see her president, and once she lost and graciously gave Obama her full support and endorsement, wanted to help her pay off her campaign debt.

Bernie wants me to give him money, and if he wins the nomination, I will do that. But it doesn't offend me.

[PoliticAverse]

21. Obama several times asked his donors to help Clinton retire her debt...

see: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/obama-campaign-raises-money-for-hillary-clinton/

[Logical]

59. She is fucking rich! Get it now? Nt

[UglyGreed]

20. Wow never heard this before

Bailouts for banks and politicians yet no bailout or debt forgiveness for homeowners. Geez many could not even get a home modification present company included.

[Mike Nelson]

30. Could it be...

...the campaign debt was incurred before the big speaking fees? ...and, yes, both Hillary and Bernie ask for donations repeatedly.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

32. Calling all Hillary supporters ...

ouch!

[zentrum]

34. That is a great question.

Last edited Sat Feb 6, 2016, 09:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Yes, I got those solicitations.

When I used to give to the Democratic Party as a whole, I'd get requests from all kinds of people running for office, that I'd never heard of. I also got them from her. Never contributed b/c didn't like the way she talked about Obama during the campaign.

[DesertFlower]

58. i get requests all the time from people

i never heard of. i don't donate to them. i'd rather give my money to charity.

[zentrum]

72. Give it to Bernie.

I've given to local democrats too if they're real Dems.

I always carefully explain when I get a mailing that I've lost faith in the party as a whole and will give to individuals only. Then I send back these comments, on their stamp.

[pnwmom]

35. No Democrat was forced to help her pay off her campaign debts, but millions wanted to, and did.

When Sanders loses, he will go to his supporters to help retire his debt and I'm sure they'll respond.

[Floridanow]

78. I am a Clinton supporter.

But I would contribute to retire Sanders post primary debt if he loses.

[virtualobserver]

80. they were paying Hillary back for money that she loaned to the campaign

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/clinton-lends-campaign-6-million/?_r=0

Bernie won't go into debt.

[pnwmom]

82. He will go into debt if he needs to, and people will help him retire the debt. n/t

[virtualobserver]

83. he will never need to do that

[pnwmom]

84. He's already said he won't take matching funds. People often need to take on debt

because the income and outgo happen at the wrong times.

[virtualobserver]

85. People often do in desperation....but Bernie can ask for the money in advance....from us.

[pnwmom]

86. The general election will cost much more than the primaries and he's never

made any kind of promise with regard to campaign debt. That would be foolhardy and he's no fool.

[virtualobserver]

87. Bernie's donor base is growing and growing

[Cassiopeia]

102. If he has a debt built.

So far he has been an excellent steward of the donations he's received. He may not go deeply in debt like other candidates do. We'll know more in the future.

[AzDar]

36. K & R

[Eric J in MN]

41. Hillary Clinton got speaking fees from 2013 to 2015

...and so if you're asking why she didn't use her speaking fee money in 2008-2012, it's because she didn't have it yet.

[left lowrider]

42. I remember news stories about her not paying the vendors for her election night events

Just saying . . out of money?

[Bjornsdotter]

44. I did and I also contributed

.....and I regret every penny.

[alfredo]

45. We need to take money out of politics, public financing now.

She's not the only candidate that went in debt running for office. You know the ones in debt, they suspend their campaign instead of dropping out. That way they can still take campaign donations.

[FlatBaroque]

60. As Bernie correctly stated, getting the $$ out of politics is his first priority

everything else will follow from that

[TTUBatfan2008]

71. Yup, Teddy Roosevelt was against big money in politics...

Where did we go wrong over the 100 years following Teddy's time in politics. Kinda sad where it got to the point that both major parties are completely owned by the corporations.

[alfredo]

75. We need to vote McConnell out of office before anything can be done.

He is the man that has fought every attempt to rein in the money. His ability to squeeze money out of the billionaires is a big reason he's so powerful.

[Cassiopeia]

103. I think it's more than just public financing.

We need to force blocked off time on TV for every candidate equally as well.

[alfredo]

106. Yes

[Live and Learn]

46. That is a silly question. Everyone knows the elite don't pay taxes or their own bills. nt

[NorthCarolina]

47. One thing funny about having lots, and lots of money is

you always want MORE MONEY.

[DesertFlower]

54. yes. i found it offensive. i tend to remember

it got really desperate too. like give a certain amount and win dinner with so and so.

even though i voted for obama i would have felt the same way if he overspent.

[ViseGrip]

63. I felt bad she coundn't pay it. But she could! She allows others to pay her bills while making $$$$

[DesertFlower]

64. i didn't feel bad at all. i tend

to remember the clinton's were making a lot of money back then. bill was making speeches and both wrote books.

i don't remember the amount they made that year ('08) but it was quite a bit. i said it on this board several times "let her pay her own campaign debt".

i'm not in the habit of giving money to politicians although i did with obama (not all that much -- maybe about $120). i've made a few small donations to bernie.

i always ask myself "who needs it more -- the politician or a person struggling to put food on the table". i give more than 10% of my income to charity.

i've been told on this board that if i give money to dem candidates and they're elected they will help the poor. yeah right.

[asuhornets]

57. Offensive?

All candidates do this. Bernie will too-just wait.

[Major Nikon]

65. I'm not sure how

HRC was asking for money to reimburse her out of pocket costs. Bernie doesn't have pockets that deep to begin with, so it's not as if he can loan his own campaign millions the way she did in 2008.

[Major Nikon]

62. I don't think the one thing has anything to do with the other

If we are to expect politicians to pay their own campaign debt, then we shouldn't complain when only the filthy rich are willing to run for office.

[dsc]

66. I don't think she could pay the debt herself

Glenn rather famously owed a debt from his 1984 Presidential race until it was forgiven around 2008. He was asked why he didn't simply write a check to pay it off and he said he was barred from doing so. I can't find a link saying so admittedly but I also can't find any example of either a candidate doing so or any FEC suggestion that they can do so.

[virtualobserver]

77. Silly rabbit,she personally lent the money to her campaign..you were paying HER back

does that clear things up?

[Bernblu]

89. If she did this, she should pay back everyone who gave her money with interest.

If not, she is shameless.

[amborin]

92. Hillary = the $45 Million Candidate:

3-3.-Hillary-Clinton
Photo credit: a katz / Shutterstock.com

3. Hillary Clinton net worth:

$45 mil

Half of power couple; the Clintons earned $28 million in 2014.

http://www3.forbes.com/lists/forbes-2016-presidential-candidate-wealth-list/19/

[hedgehog]

96. Because so many people fell for it before.

Essaye and former senator David Pryor (D-Ark.), who founded the trust last February, said the vast majority of donors gave small amounts. More than half the donations were for $25 or less and almost 95 percent were for $100 or less, they said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/legal022599.htm

[Nanjeanne]

98. Considering Bill gets taxpayer $200,000/year pension for life. I think that should be means tested

[Impedimentus]

104. So she could give the money to charity?

?