Women Are Lining Up Behind Kissinger and Albright

[Wilms]

[procon]

1. I don't understand the correlation you're implying.

What sort of dastardly plans do think Kissinger and Albright are currently connected with what would be likely to attract women?

[jeff47]

2. Well, that's Kissinger and Albright at the table.

You should be familiar with what makes Kissinger deplorable already.

Albright just made a comment about women going to extra-special-torture Hell if they don't vote for Clinton.

[procon]

7. Yes, its an old photo of several political figures

dating from January 2015 when they gave testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee on the topic of global challenges and U.S. national security strategy and were interrupted by protesters. What does this have to do your title asserting that "Women Are Lining Up Behind Kissinger and Albright"?

It sounds more like sour grapes in trying to imply there's some secret, nefarious connection between an old, unrelated photo, Kissinger, and Albright's remark in support of Clinton.

[cui bono]

47. It's called humor. n/t

[cascadiance]

3. Well Albright's father became Condi Rice's faculty advisor and lead her on her career towards SOS

... for Bush! It's all interconnected!

[Wilms]

55. I just learned that.

Small world, that new world order.

[kath]

5. Look at the pic - the women are LITERALLY lining up behind them, not figuratively "lining up behind

Them" in the sense of giving HK and MA their support.

it was a good play on words!

[Wilms]

12. Thanks for the support.

I think I struck a nerve.

[roguevalley]

14. love it.

[PonyUp]

16. You struck several nerves! Great job!

[BuelahWitch]

30. Most of us knew what you meant when we saw the picture

[chervilant]

32. Methinks the "nerve" in question

is pretty raw after the debacle in Iowa.

Also, did you see Chelsea's "lapsu linguae"? President Sanders, indeed!

[Wilms]

33. I saw that clip.

They're done.

[chervilant]

37. I have this overwhelming sense of

deja vu...

#NotMeUs

[dixiegrrrrl]

64. Which lapsu linguae are you referring to, pls?

the one about money?

[chervilant]

70. No, the one

where Chelsea called Bernie "President Sanders."

[dixiegrrrrl]

71. ohhhhh..I missed that!

where?
when?
and is it on tape for posterity?

[dixiegrrrrl]

74. Found it........

Watching her as she speaks and was wondering what she was looking up at, so often.

[chervilant]

78. Yes, it's on tape.

You can see it here or here or here.

Quite the Freudian slip.

[Eric J in MN]

9. Hillary Clinton said at the last debate that Kissinger praised her

...for how well she ran the State Dept.

Clinton was introduced at a NH event today by Albright, who said that women who don't help each other (vote for Clinton) will burn in Hell.

The OP is making a joke about women lining up behind Kissinger and Albright with a photo of women lining up to protest against Kissinger and Albright.

[hifiguy]

17. And she's so proud to receive praise from

a known and wanted war criminal who has the blood of millions on his hands.

That tells me all I need to know about her and then some.

[aquart]

56. Oh, stop that.

You'd find a criminal conspiracy in Hillary brushing her teeth.

Where she gets the strength and courage to get up every morning and deal with this endless bullshit, I will never know. My admiration grows daily.

[Wilms]

57. Ooooh. Use the word "conspiracy" to shame a poster.

Where did hifi allege a conspiracy?

[aquart]

58. Lacking evidence of any crime

The talking points have all been geared to guilt by association. It's ugly. Endless and ugly. But it's all you got so you gotta run with it.

After all, your man thinks our biggest threat comes from NK.

[Wilms]

61. Sanders thinks the greatest threat is climate change.

So do sane scientists, plus the Pentagon and CIA. Go figure.

[JoeyT]

62. If you don't want to be associated with war criminals, don't associate with war criminals?

I mean, it isn't hard. I can't remember the last time I hung out with or praised a war criminal or had a war criminal praise me. I bet lots of people can't. You don't exactly run into war criminals while you're out buying bread. None of my friends have carpet bombed Cambodia for no good reason.

It isn't all Sanders supporters have got, but when it's a strong enough talking point that alleged liberals are trying to reform the image of Henry Fucking Kissinger because they're so desperate to keep anything from tainting Hillary, it's a pretty goddamn strong one.

You're judged by the company you keep, but apparently Hillary is too good for that. That kind of thing is for the peasantry.

[greiner3]

69. And lest we forget not

43's, Jeb!'s grandfather and 41's father Preston Bush was a convicted war criminal. Just sayin

[JoeyT]

76. Too bad they couldn't get another one in the family.

A convicted one, I mean.

[chervilant]

34. You may be irony impaired...

OR, you may not have seen Albright's incredibly condescending comment that “There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!”

Feel the BERN!!!

#NotMeUs

[hobbit709]

51. there's no "may be" about it.

Or this little comment from her.
"What's the point of you saving this superb military for, Colin, if we can't use it?"

[tazkcmo]

53. This is what irks me

In a very personal way. These war hawks don't give a crap about the people that die in these wars, ours or the "enemies". It's boots, assets, hardware or any other euphemism that they can use besides People. War is fun and profitable.

[cyberswede]

4. Um, I think the OP title is ironic

The women are lined up behind them...holding protest signs.

[tecelote]

6. 'Love CodePink's anti-war stance.

[AtomicKitten]

11. me too

They have remained vigilant and unyielding in their resistance.

I'm a big fan.

[avaistheone1]

24. They are courageous.

They are amazing.

[kas125]

31. It's not necessarily courage, it's what we have to do. I love my pink sisters and the things

I've done with them are some of the proudest moments of my life. But I wouldn't say we're courageous, just driven by our consciences to speak the truth when it seems as if most people would rather not even know what's really happening. I think most of them are like me - I can't let horrible things be done in our names without making sure that history records that I was opposed to them.

[avaistheone1]

42. All I can say is thank you for what you do.

It not easy and you place yourselves at risk. You and the rest of Code Pink awaken many people's consciences as well.

[kas125]

44. Thanks. There have been times I was in scary situations, but being with the others

makes it a lot easier and we always have fun, no matter what we're doing. I've gotten to meet a lot of amazing people that I would have never had the chance to meet without CodePink and done things that if someone had told me 15 years ago I'd do I would have thought they were crazy. It is nice to hear from people who support us; as I'm sure you know, not everyone does - even at DU.

[Enthusiast]

68. Me too. We should all take a stance against unnecessary wars of choice/profit.

[Oilwellian]

8. Very clever

[Jefferson23]

10. That's what I call strength. K&R

[bvar22]

13. DURec.

Well Done.
For those who don't remember, Albright was SoS under Bill Clinton while the Clinton extreme sanctions were imposed on Iraq. Those sanction have been credited with the unnecessary deaths of over 1/2 MILLION innocent Iraqi children.

Albright was asked about the 500,000 dead children on 60 minutes:

"It was worth it."
That statement curdled my blood...1/2 MILLION DEAD innocent Brown children.

I'm not surprised in the least that this woman with the blood of 1/2 MILLION children on HER hands
supports Hillary.
Birds of a feather.... and that includes Kissinger too.
That much blood NEVER washes off.

[forest444]

15. To be fair, the sanctions were Poppy Bush's doing (1991).

And to Clinton's credit, he enacted the Oil for Food and Medicine program - which substantially alleviated conditions after taking effect in 1995 (Dubya rescinded Oil-for-Food in 2002).

He could have done more, yes. But it's amazing how many of Poppy Bush's rotten policies the Rethugs have been able to transfer blame for in the public discourse onto Bill Clinton. Clinton was no saint; but the media really did a number on him - usually to the benefit of his predecessor.

[bvar22]

19. Are you trying to argue that Bill Clinton was not smart enough...

...to recognize bad policy?
He was still president while the Iraqi Children were dying, no matter how you try to rationalize it.
My post was not about Bill Clinton, but Maddy Albright and US Policy.
Do you have anything that will ameliorate Albright's statement on deaths 1/2 MILLION innocent Brown Children?

[forest444]

39. Albright's quip was an unmitigated montrosity - right up there w/ Hitler's "who remembers Armenia?"

But Clinton does deserve some credit for Oil for Food & Medicine - which he helped enact over the opposition of much of the media and of course the hysterical fits of the neocons and the entire GOP caucus (especially Jesse Helms). The fact that he helped enact it so close to the next election cycle ('96) was also to his credit, I think.

We may never know how many Iraqi lives Oil for Food saved; but it was no doubt in the hundreds of thousands.

[burrowowl]

28. Clinton could have stopped it

instead of continuing this policy.

[forest444]

41. But he didn't truly continue the punitive sanctions policy.

The Oil for Food & Medicine program is proof of that - and keep in mind that it was enacted over the vitriolic objections of Poppy's criminal neocons and the GOP caucus alike.

Though far from perfect, Iraqi observers were unanimous in their observation that Oil for Food substantially improved living standards in Iraq - which is why Dubya rescinded the program in 2002.

[Wilms]

43. Please. They wouldn't allow the reconstruction of water treatment plants.

Hell of a way for a kid yo die. But ya know, "it was worth it".

"Not as bad as..." That's how we wind up with such shitty leaders.

[Oilwellian]

46. Oil for Food sounds so hideous

and Albright agreed the sanctions were worth the deaths of half a million Iraqi children.

[bvar22]

50. The Oil for Food program was a UN program, NOT a Clinton initiative,

and it was a massive failure, enriching Saddam and his henchmen. Very little of the food and medicine made it down to the children and Iraqi People who needed it.

Council on Foreign Relations
IRAQ: Oil for Food Scandal

<snip>
Saddam Hussein exploited the program, earning some $1.7 billion through kickbacks and surcharges, and $10.9 billion through illegal oil smuggling, according to a 2004 Central Intelligence Agency investigation. Wide-scale mismanagement and unethical conduct on the part of some UN employees also plagued the program, according to the UN Independent Inquiry

<more>

http://www.cfr.org/iraq/iraq-oil-food-scandal/p7631

Oil for Food did NOT stop the Iraqi Children from dying, but enriched the profiteers.
It was a massive failure.
The children and vulnerable (everyone not living in a palace) kept dying.

It blows my mind that anyone can rationalize away the miserable deaths of 1/2 MILLION innocent children. That is more children than were killed in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the firebombing of Tokyo COMBINED.

[forest444]

65. Yes, of course - but everyone and their brother was calling on Clinton to veto it.

Which of course would have been the politically expedient thing to do. Nothing of that scale gets done at the UN without U.S. approval, as you know.

Albright was an unbelievable bitch for rationalizing the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi - or any - children. But do you know when she said that? In early 1996 - just as Oil for Food was being implemented. There's no question it was riddled with corruption; but a "2004 CIA investigation" by its very date and nature almost certainly contains gross exaggerations (the "getting rid of Saddam was the right thing no matter what else happens" narrative).

The deaths referred to in the estimate took place between the imposition of sanctions by Poppy Bush (1991) and, presumably, the end of 1995. Iraq never collected comprehensive statistics the way developed countries do; but the consensus in the late '90s among UN officials and others was that living conditions improved and mortality rates declined substantially. It was far from ideal, of course, but it was a real improvement over prior conditions.

[bvar22]

73. Do you have a link to support your claim ...

...that the death rate declined substantially? I have read nothing that supports that.

I already posted a link from Council on Foreign Relations that disagrees,
and my memory of that time was that the so called "Oil for Food" was an unmitigated disaster with very, very little of the medicine and food delivered to its intended recipients,
and, of course, there was the water treatment issue mentioned above.

[artislife]

18. There might be 50 shades of gray but there are hundreds of shades of brown

And we are all getting shat on. I think a lot of politicians only see Black and White and forget about the colors of the rainbow.

I think I have a lot in common with Libyan and Honduran children.

[bvar22]

21. Amen.

Blood on their hands that will never wash off.

[shadowmayor]

25. What did the Iraqi people ever do to the people in the USA?

We've been bombing, shooting, burning, starving and hurting the Iraqi people for 25 years now. We destroyed an Arab country that was secular and used to have a brewery. Why are we so inured to this massacre?

Spent OIF3 (2005) or two Thomas Friedman (tell the Iraqi people to suck on this!) units worth of time in Abu Ghraib prison - a festering shit hole if ever there was one. We destroyed their country, devastated the population, and unleashed a civil war from hell.

Half a million little brown-skinned Muslim kids - fuck 'em, they're just Iraqis as they said while I was in Iraq.

Albright and Kissinger should be horsewhipped, forced to walk naked through the town to the gallows. Fuck em' I say, they're just evil government officials!!!

[polly7]

54. Nothing. +1,000,000. nt.

[KoKo]

77. ...!

[DrBulldog]

20. Bravo! I am old enough to remember ...

... when tens of thousands of young American men died because of Kissinger's lies - and incredibly years later he admitted it! But he never had to worry. In the United States we only prosecute OTHER countries' war criminals.

[avaistheone1]

22. How much more death, war and corporate bs are we expected to accept from Kissinger and Hillary?

My my! Don't Albright and Kissinger look uncomfortable at that table being confronted for their wrong doing?

[Scruffy1]

23. K&R n/t

[leveymg]

26. Who would want to put these people back in power?

[Fumesucker]

52. Progressives, liberals, Democrats

[Hiraeth]

27. Love it. K&R

[hopemountain]

29. how is it that albright and hillary can

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sacrifice other women's children to the ravages of war? how is that?
this is not the type of woman i consider fit to lead our country. and, no, i do not see the difference in electing a woman who thinks the same as investors in the war machine and maintaining the status quo vs a corporate male puppet who will do the same.

these are the ways hillary votes against the best interests of women & their families:

she supports monsanto gmo foods and poisons & toxins in the food supply for the masses;

she supports wars that offer up the children of the masses for the greed of the corporate war machine;

she is not interested in a living wage for single parents - the majority of whom are women;

she supports the corporate interests to privatize our natural resources which export our resources to china - while fracking, injecting and polluting our earth and the water table - water our children drink with poisons and heavy metals. yes, she is helping the people of flint. that's nice - but, we will see exactly just how much of a force she can be to make a difference there and how she follows up with other environmental crisis regardless of the election outcome;

how is she willing to revamp the costs and financing of education so that when a young person graduates they are not saddled with life crushing debt? her plan offers a pittance of relief and still puts ridiculous amounts of money in the pockets of the banksters and the corporate run education machine;

how much is she willing to do to lower medical costs? is she willing to work to get insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and medical providers to negotiate low cost medical care? is she willing to work to overturn legislation which allows these "medical providers" protection from negotiation?

just because she is a woman does not mean she is the woman for the job. i do not see her with the sincere will to right the social, economic and environmental injustices that affect women and families.

it is alarming to see her pandering to women of color and that women are following her solely for the reason that she is a woman. what exactly is she promising them? why are they not seeing what i see?

[Uncle Joe]

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Wilms.

[snowy owl]

36. Albright's comment sexist

To tell women that they should vote for a woman just because we are women makes us look like sheep to the slaughter. If there is even one woman out there falling for that, she should be ashamed. That's about as sexist as it gets.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. There's a lot of "foreign policy experience" at that table.

[Paka]

40. Good one!

[whatchamacallit]

45. Table of murderous ghouls

[cui bono]

48. Well played Wilms, well played.

.

[silenttigersong]

49. I would like to know what happened to all the Libiyan gold n/t

[H2O Man]

59. Nice!

Recommended.

[KingCharlemagne]

60. Bra-fucking-vo! (Or maybe "Bra-fucking-va!" :) - nt

[Duval]

63. K&R!

[AzDar]

66. K & R

[SoapBox]

67. K & R!

I'll take Code Pink ANYTIME over that Table of Trash.

[6chars]

72. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac

[cantbeserious]

75. Deserved Criticism - Not Support - Go Code Pink

eom

[rhett o rick]

79. Clinton admires Reagan, Thatcher as well as Kissinger and Albright. But it really doesn't

matter who she admires, her fans adore her regardless of who she admires, who she associates with or what her positions are on issues.

[Arugula Latte]

80. This woman says that Kissinger can kiss my ass.

Fucking criminal. Why is this monster still alive?

[bvar22]

81. I wouldn't dare bare MY ass in front of that creepy man.

The thought of even being in the same room with that soulless mass murderer creeps me out.
I don't believe in Hell, but thinking of him makes me hope I'm wrong and Dante is right.
I want him to burn in the deepest ring of hell, and take his war mongering pals with him.