Why is it ok for these fools to bring up Rev. Wright but we can't talk about Mormonism

[bigdarryl]

Talk about double standard.If they want to continue with this foolishness than Romney's ties to the Morman church should be fair game

[Summer Hathaway]

1. It always has been fair game

as far as I'm concerned.

The GOP made a candidate's religion an issue for as long as I've been alive.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, they feel the pinch. That's a good thing.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Why's it okay for Romney to hobnob with Robertson but Obama's past relationship with Wright isn't?

Imagine if this election cycle Obama shared a stage with Rev. Wright...



It's fine for Romney to be buddy-buddy with an anti-American bigot like Robertson. But dammit, Obama's past relationship with Wright, one he ended four years ago, is still news!

[Scootaloo]

5. You're asking why? I'll show you why.

On the left, a color sample from Jeremiah Wright's left cheek. On the right, a color sample from Pat Robertson's left cheek.

Notice anything?

[valerief]

26. Bwahahahaha! By George, I think you've got it! nt

[Scootaloo]

3. Well, one, just to argue...

"Mormonism" isn't a person, it's an idea supported by a group (i.e., Mormons.) Inevitably if you talk about the idea involved, the group will feel targeted; and of course, you really can't paint an entire group of people with a single brush, so they would probably have some valid complaints against what you're saying.

Rev. Wright on the other hand, is a singular person; talking about him, as such, does not have the problems of talking about an entire group, or even the idea that said group supports. You can damn Wright, without damning all blacks, or all christians, or whoever with him.

That said... I've never seen anything worth damning from Rev. Wright. He was the victim of a right-wing smear campaign and, like so many other such victims, many on the left jumped on board to damn and curse him because hey, they want to look progressive, and the Right had made him look like a flaming racist, and hey, thinking is like, hard and stuff.

Why is it "okay" for them to do this? well, it's not. But they get away with it because the right has nothing resembling ethical standards, and too many on the left are spineless milksops more concerned with looking hip than with actually addressing what needs to be addressed.

[dougolat]

9. At the time, I printed out Rev. Wright's sermon

and confronted some outspoken complainers, saying
"Yes, the last sentence is inflamatory, but look at the rest of it."
They always backed off.

[msongs]

4. obama campaign prefers to keep it to the facts, not the smear tactics probably nt

[TDale313]

6. no, you misunderstood...

The Rev Wright criticism was purely about his political views. No other agendas or implications there. And since the Mormon Church would *never* do anything political... wait, what? Prop 8? Oh. Never mind.

(I don't really need the sarcasm smilie, do I? )

[EmeraldCityGrl]

7. Plenty of people are talking about it

just not openly. We've had two neighbors that are Christian fundies
tell us they can't vote for Romney because of his "cult." After almost
four years the scary Obama propaganda has proven to be false. Now
they seem more afraid of Willard and the Mormon church. Works for me.

[TroyD]

8. The MSM and DNC have been unwilling to do so

But I think more attention should be drawn to certain relevant aspects of Romney's Mormonism:

1. That the Church didn't accept people of color until 1977

2. Disturbing views on gays and women

3. The fact that Romney's grandfather was a polygamist

[graham4anything]

10. why is it people don't see the lunacy in saying Obama is a Muslim yet same people

talk about Rev. Wright, a Christian Minister.

Why the same people of course think it is possible to be both communist & socialist

what a bunch of idiots the republicantealibertarians all are in 2012.

Makes John McCain almost look human in 2008 when he told that old racist idiot on tv that No, maam, Obama is not what she said he was.

Call them what they are- racists, who would in an instance go back to the lynching days
or the pre-Civil War days and think their side won(or would win again). Yeah, sure.
Here's a bridge for you.

[longship]

11. Yes. Not only he a Muslim, but he's the wrong kind of Christian, too!

It is a totally insane argument the GOP is putting out.

Of course, we are all aware of the strategy. Shovel shit as fast as you can. It doesn't matter if it's elephant shit, pig shit, goose shit, or blue whale shit. Just get the shit shoveled, the more, the better.

At least goose shit is green, so to speak.

Some shit will stick to the walls, just keep shoveling.

[UCmeNdc]

12. I think the truly fundamental Christians would never vote for Romney if they understood Mormonism

That is the thing that the MSM would never discuss. The average Christian does not know Mormonism. They do not know that there is a difference in the Mormon bible and the King James Bible. Plus the whole story behind Mormonism would make most Christians holler sacrilege.

[kestrel91316]

34. In all fairness, Mormons use the KING JAMES bible. They just tack on

a bunch of additional stuff along the same vein as the gnostic gospels and such: Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and maybe 1 other I can't remember the name.

[Heather MC]

13. There are 13 million Mormons not all of them are voting for mittens,

Why attack them? Look they tried the Rev Wright issue 4 years ago. it didn't work then it won't work now.

[NCLefty]

14. It's OK if you're a Republican.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

15. Obama's an imcumbent, Rev. Wright issue is dead. If they are flogging it, they are losing bad.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

16. One Reason...

Is that sort of stuff degenerates into Mormon-bashing. And there are a host of good Mormon Democrats (i.e., Harry Reid) who shouldn't have their religion ridiculed because we want to score political points on Romney.

Another Reason is that we're simply better than that.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I do not agree that bigoted activists should be allowed free use of some verbal

weapons because they are 'religious' in nature. The people who hold a religion as holy are the people who need to keep it holy. Once the drag it into the political arena, ala Prop 8, the faith is equal to some vote rigging company or Karl Rove, the 'faith' is an operative's lexicon, and your theory is that those of us attacked with the religion should not be allowed to counter them, they are free to bash gays, but gays must not defend themselves. I don't expect the straight community to do anything righteous, but they must not expect others to do as they do. We will not to lie down and be walked on. So don't expect that. Tell your LDS pals they will meet a fight if they come for us again.
What amuses me is the Catholics who are all bound up with Mormons, Mormons deny the virgin birth. Mary was knocked up by Joseph. Yet the RCC loves the heresy of the LDS, a heresy they have in history murdered many others for comitting.

[smorkingapple]

17. Because.Of.Harry.Reid.And.Nevada.

End of discussion. Unfortunately there are Mormon democrats too in prominent positions in key states we need.

Romney can bash the angry black vote and drum up the stereotypes. He's not winning that demographic. It plays to his base.

[Lucy Goosey]

18. Because the President and Rev. Wright are black.

Seriously, I think it's just about that simple to most people who think that Rev Wright is a good and valid attack on the President.

[Lil Missy]

19. We can talk about Mormonism. n/t

[Kurovski]

21. It's not fair or reasonable, but many RWers won't vote for him...simply because he's Mormon.

That was decided long ago.

JFK lost votes for being Catholic, there was discussion about that (his Catholisism) back then.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. From day one on DU, the few that demand Mormonism be off the table are also

by and large posters with questionable history of support for GLBT rights, that is, they agree with the LDS to a great degree. The first DU thread I saw saying not to speak of Mormonism came from a poster who also admits he spent years posting anti gay libels on right wing sites. Case closed.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. There are millions of Mormons who are Democrats

Harry Reid is a Democrat and a Mormon. It makes the same amount of sense to attack all Mormons as it does to attack all Muslims. I'm not arguing censorship, just pointing out what should be obvious. To those who are comfortable with a religion, other religions often seem to have really odd beliefs and structures. At one time there was a serious attempt to sink JFK over the fact that he would be a puppet of the Vatican. To non-believers essentially ALL religions have very odd beliefs, including Judaism Christianity and Islam.

[LaydeeBug]

27. There are millions of Muslims who are Democrats too. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

30. Absolutely. I only mentioned Islam because most Progressives strongly oppose Muslim baiting...

And hardly anyone around here ever mouths off against the belief systems of indigenous peoples around the globe.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. But those millions of 'righteous Mormons' did not do much to speak against Prop8

now did they? So your thinking is that they are allowed to use their faith to attack other people's human rights, and yet that faith is utterly off limits for criticism? Any other specific tools of anti gay activism that you see as beyond all criticism?
I say those who allow their so called 'faith' to be used as a tool of political agenda have altered that faith into something other than faith, it is no different from any other political tool when it is dragged into the political arena. Bash me with your holy book, expect your holy book to get bashed back, and you along with it, and that, that is why it is up to those who think things are holy to keep those things holy and sacred, not to use them as if they were just another tool for right wing agenda mongering....
It is not 'oh they have odd dogmas' it is 'they hate my people and use their organization in secular ways to oppress us'. The RCC, the partners of LDS are even more hypocritical as they go on and on about Mary, they 'venerate' her and pray to her as Virgin Mother of Jesus, LDS says Mary was impregnated by Joseph, yet RCC and LDS are acting as one against GLBT people. Does that not suggest that the theology, the faith, is not really important at all? If RCC is able to say 'Mary Schmary, who cares who knocked her up' in order to make anti minority allieances? It is almost as if the actions against others, the worldly secular agenda, is the entire point of both faiths. "Hail Mary, Mother of some guy, your boyfriend was with thee, blessed are ye among other pregnant single women and mediocre is the fruit of Joe's seed, Jesus!" The new Ave Maria, for the LDSRCC merge, soon to come, apparently.

[Tom Rinaldo]

32. The Catholic power structure has been horrible on GLBT issues also

Attacking the political views of religious leaders is always fair game in my book. Not all Catholics or all Mormons push those views. There is a long (as in measured in eons) human tradition of people killing other people because they differ in their religious beliefs. It a mainstream Christian wants to argue that Mormonism is blasphemy, no one will stop them. Recently some sacred Sufi sites were destroyed in Africa by Muslims who believe that the Sufi creed is blasphemy.

Pastor Jones in Florida, as a "Christian Man of God", can't be used with any integrity to smear Martin Luther King Jr., another "Christian Man of God".

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

24. Because there is no "Morman" Church. nt

[LaydeeBug]

25. YOU **CAN** TALK ABOUT MORMONISM, AND DON'T LET **ANYONE** TRY TO TELL YOU OTHERWISE.

They are carrying water for the GOP whether they know it or not. I don't give a rat's ASS what they think about some moral high ground.

Remember Dean's scream? Yeah, had we fought that shit, the scream might be a distant memory, not the Governor.

Remember how Al Gore said he invented the internet? Oh, *that's* right, he didn't. I bet SOME PEOPLE would maintain it was beneath the level of discourse to have a fifth grade grammar lesson with people...LOOK how *that* turned out.

FUCK ANYBODY WHO SAYS THAT EVERY WEAPON IN OUR ARSENAL IS NOT A WEAPON TO BE USED.

Just sayin.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. I'm so with you.

And I think the water carriers know what they are doing, how could they not?

[Onlooker]

31. Suppress the evangelical vote by talking about Mormonism

The worst of Mormonism includes:
- They did not allow blacks into their Tabernacle until 1976. Mitt was active in the church then and never protested the church's racism.
- They believe that the black race is part of "Cain's seed."
- They baptize the dead, everyone from Anne Frank to Mahatma Gandhi.
- In the 1980s, I read that Utah had the highest rate of bankruptcy, and the reason for that was because Mormonism believes that your status in life is based on the quality of your ancestors. Thus, it's important to keep up with the Joneses.
- Utah has the highest incidence of suicide among young men, which suggests there are serious problems with the demands of Mormonism.
- They believe that women only achieve salvation through their husband.
- They believe there are multiple Gods and multiple universes. (Okay, that's not so bad, I guess, but might bother evangelicals.)
- They are actively homophobic.

I hope the moderator tonight asks Obama and Romney what kind of underwear they wear.

[HopeHoops]

33. (ahem) Not many Mormons are non-white. Their standards are pretty clear.