NEWS FLASH! The founders of this country would have given up long ago if

[BigBearJohn]

they had resigned themselves to being "pragmatic" when confronted with the enormous odds they faced against them on their road ahead. If this country truly IS "the home of the brave," we need to kick the shit off our boots and reclaim our birthright. "Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave?". ASK BERNIE, HE'LL TELL YOU!!!!! With his last ounce of courage he is leading the way. I will not abandon him.

[HereSince1628]

1. The Founders did give up long ago, but before they did they

handed it down to others...an imperfect nation with rules and structure to guide how to choose the limits it put on its continuing course.

Every generation since then has received a similar endowment. Most generations have used that wisely, some have not.

[BigBearJohn]

2. they did not give up or this country would not exist today

[HereSince1628]

3. Reread what you wrote. The Founders are gone now

Objectively the Founders gave up ~2 centuries ago.

[wyldwolf]

4. I have little respect for people who invoke the founders with ZERO proof of what they're claiming.

Hannity. Limbaugh. Boortz. You.

The fact is, though, they WERE pragmatic. The entire birth of the Constitution was an exercise in compromise.

[BigBearJohn]

5. you miss the whole point, but why am I not surprised

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

[wyldwolf]

7. then explain your point a bit better.

[BigBearJohn]

8. sorry..Im done giving singing lessons.

[wyldwolf]

9. I'm sure we're all relieved.

[BigBearJohn]

10. Amen. To the ignore list with you.

[wyldwolf]

11. oh, good. I'm certain after your tantrum, you'll stop responding.

[Stuckinthebush]

6. Ain't that the truth

Jefferson vs Adams comes to mind