2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
Invalid parallel made.
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NRaleighLiberal
(61,857 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...are HRC folks. Asking people to examine a candidates past is not a purity test.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)Your post offends me. Life may be a big compromise but I don't think we as a people should have to settle for a candidate who changes their positions on every issue. Integrity matters and Bernie is a man of integrity who clearly cares deeply for the poor, the aged, the sick, the veterans and the working people. I am a Jew. He attracted me to his campaign. Am I a racist? Many people from all ethnicities and backgrounds support Bernie. He is a candidate for all the people. My wife is a female who adores Bernie. She is a strong feminist.
Bernie's message has been consistent for decades. Hillary's message changes daily, depending on who she is speaking to. That is a fact and there are countless examples on youtube to demonstrate that.
You cannot assure me of anything as your post is a very poor attempt in very Rovian fashion I might add, to hang Hillary's weaknesses as a candidate on her opponent. Just my opinion. Have a nice day. I will now go hang out on this fine Sunday with my very culturally diverse group of Bernie supporters of every color and creed who want a more perfect union by working together. Freedom and Unity is quite possible but it requires honesty and integrity from the top down. That's why Bernie is the choice of a new generation.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Minorities and civil rights are left out?
Sometimes you just read a post and have to say
Avalux
(35,015 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)Tea Party is based on the words Taxed Enough Already. That is the Clinton campaign message. The Sanders campaign is involving minorities in the progressive movement and fighting for civil rights. As I wrote in the title, you have failed completely in your post.
Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)If progressive principles do not also include income equality then count me out.
Fearless
(18,458 posts)To bring us back from the worst economy since the great depression.
Full stop.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)With no pony of fact nor sense hiding anywhere in the mess.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
A Jackie Martling joke (paraphrased)
Two flies are circling a pile of horse manure, one of the flies sees a beautiful woman landing on it.
The one fly tells his buddy that he is going to ask her out.
He lands next to her and says, "Excuse me, Is this stool taken?"
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The irony is delicious.
TTUBatfan2008
(3,623 posts)As opposed to Hillary's complaint about artful smears regarding her cozy relationship with Wall Street. Sanders has a very long track record of fighting against injustice across the board in all of its forms.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)We're clearly at the tail end of the fight.

Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Perhaps I should call them conservative Democrats.
I'll grant that the whole pragmatic, less is more, tread carefully, small but "effective" government, don't rock the boat wing of the Democrat Party is far closer to mainstream establishment republicans then they are to the tea party; but the tea party is a creation of millionaire establishment conservative donors. Their idiot army. The third way/centrists/conservative Democrats are the creation of the millionaire establishment conservative donors as well. Their intellectual army?
Thenewire
(130 posts)He doesn't represent the Democratic beliefs of the last 30-40 years. I'm not saying the idea of income equality is wrong but you are basically trying to strip away a core of the Democratic party by refocusing on economics. This will effectively leave out millions of minorities or social rights group whose main prerogative is social justice. In the end it is all a struggle of self interest.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Independent, not bound by party honchos and yahoos...which is why your first sentence is absurd. He represents everything, well almost, that the Democratic Party used to be for.
The rest of it, sorry, I just don't get it...and the last sentence is profoundly absurd.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Welcome to DU.
H2O Man
(79,048 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)were a little more civil. But the actual tea party isn't civil either, so maybe it goes with the territory.
But a liberal tea party pulling the party to the left would be great. What would not be great is nominating Bernie and then losing to the GOP. The tea party started out by winning state and local elections, in order to build up influence in the GOP. The liberal tea party should do that as well, because the stakes are too high if the GOP wins the presidency.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)often in double digits.
Guess you've missed the many, many polls since Bernie became into public view, that show him winning strongly against every Republican in the race. The old "Bernie is unelectable" is out of date, incorrect and just plain untrue.
OTOH, the other option, is in increasing trouble, the Republicans hate her with a white hot hatred, and she does not poll well against them. She also keeps on doing, um, things that appear to be shady...but legal...perhaps. The real question, IMO, Can HRC win a GE. I say no.
Again, IMO, because none of us know, no.
CentralMass
(16,971 posts)What passes for a democratic party and their agenda is not acceptable to a broad cross section of the electorate. We are in a downward spiral. Our children face an increasingly difficult future. Our fiscal policies favor corporations, the financial industry, and the wealthy. As a bell weathet we have one candidate fighting for a $15 minimum wage and the other arguing against it. Our public schools and infrastructure are in decline. I know of no one who like the public education policies of the last 8 years. Our foreign policy blunders, including Libya, have created a heavily armed destabilized mid-east that has descended into chaos.
The Democratic party has incurred major losses at the state and local level over the last 8 years as well.
Many of do not want the status quo. We don't want to be told we have time settle for more of the same, or hear what can't be done. I"m not that articulate of an individual so I will leave it there.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Are you kidding?? Really?! So you think that the Democratic party as it stands now is all inclusive of liberal and/or progressives? Because if that's so, then you and I have a completely different experience with the party and/or a different connotation of what encompasses progressive/liberal.
The way that they have discounted Occupy, BLM, and progressives has left a bitter taste in my mouth. That's why I left in 2009 and only re-registered in order to vote for Bernie.
"Just in the same way Clinton is being attacked from the left" - and why do you think that is?? Maybe because she's a center-right candidate who only says she's a progressive because she thinks that some of us are too stupid to actually look at her record!