Posts that call Bernie supporters BernieBros have no place here.

[JimDandy]

It has become an almost racist term that labels all of his supporters as white priviledged "alpha male idiots". It's being used in an attempt to silence dissent and criticism of his political opponent, Hillary Clinton.

I've objected in the past to posts that refer to Clinton using derrogatory and misogynist term, such as "chick", which are meant to devalue her as a woman and devalue her appointment as U.S. Secretary of State. They have no place here either.

But use of the term BernieBros, with its very specific racial undertones, constitutes a broad brush attack on all of his supporters here and is beyond rude. That is against DU's TOS. Its use is unacceptable and every instance of its use here needs to result in a TOS alert. I intend to do so.

[sabuthefuture]

1. Jim, Why do you think people use the word "SOCIALIST"

To scare and misinform people. How many people know their history and that in defining the word SOCIALIST (shaking in my boots) that President Franklin Roosevelt also could be considered a socialist getting legislation passed like social security, unemployment insurance, and the New Deal.

Here is the SMOKING GUN! / How Hillary put her foot in her mouth

Hillary Clinton debate with Bernie Sanders February 5, 2016
“There is this attack that he is putting out, which really comes down to, anybody who took donations or speaking fees from any interest group has to be bought,” she said. “And I just absolutely reject that, senator. And I really don’t think these attacks by insinuation and innuendo are worthy of you. Enough is enough. If you’ve got something to say, say it directly.”

Maureen Dowd Feb6, 2016 / Hillary Battles Bernie Sanders, Chick Magnet

"When Hillary accused Sanders during the debate of doing an “artful smear” on her, charging him with insinuating that she engaged in pay-for-play with Wall Street, drug companies and other special interests, some Republicans predicted that the moment would go down as a Gary Hart-style challenge that would come back to haunt her."

SMOKING GUN: Please listen to the middle of the video below about 12 minutes in and pay close attention to what Ms. Elizabeth Warren says in 2004. Keep in mind several times Hilary Clinton has put forth the idea that no one could show how receipt of donations towards her campaign have had any effect upon her voting record. Copy and paste in your browser the following:

https://www.americarisingpac.org/flashback-elizabeth-warren-on-clinton-she-can-be-bought/

Hillary Clinton accused Bernie of insinuation and innuendo rather than speaking the truth. She accused him of playing games rather than being forthright. This video is the SMOKING GUN showing Bernie was being honest, not polite or disingenuous. She asked Bernie to basically present your evidence or shut-up. It was a challenge and the question is whether Bernie really believes he is the one who can lead this nation back to its goal of justice and opportunity for all. By everyone calling Bernie a socialist, or saying he does not have the experience to lead a nation as she has, critics demonstrate their ignorance. First by not understanding history that President Franklin Roosevelt also could be considered a socialist getting legislation passed like social security, unemployment insurance, and the New Deal. Yes, Hillary has had the experience in government and look at her track record. She voted for the Iraq war and proved when Secretary of State that she was not prepared for regime change. The loss of civilian lives of a half million and our brave soldiers’ lives of almost 6,500 is the cost of her judgment and proof that experience matters little if someone does not have the wisdom to make good decisions and policies as Bernie Sanders’ record does in government. "Military action should be the last resort—not the first choice." Democratic Town Hall Feb 4, 2016. Hillary once again copies Bernie. Maybe it is time for the Hillary Campaign to hire Bernie so she can get her lines right. If Hillary and Bernie had the same information, maybe it is time for Hillary and other members of Congress who voted to get involved in Iraq to apologize to the families of the half million Iraqi civilians who lost their lives and to the families of our brave soldiers almost 6,500 who lost their lives. I believe it is time that all these politicians pledge to put all the fees they receive for speaking engagements into a fund to help such families deal with this tragedy that they were responsible for.

Plus you need to look at Hillary’s voting record on Gay, civil rights, and women’s rights in contrast to Bernie’s, and not just for the last few years. When Bernie finishes office as President of the United States and has restored faith in government, equal opportunity to all, a level of economic and social justice so as to set an example for the rest of the world, then it will be time for “Statespersons” like Senator Elizabeth Warren or Patricia Scott Schroeder who served in the House of Representatives from 1973 to 1997 to serve in this position. Now these are only two of the women capable of being a good president who have the integrity, the character, judgment, and the fortitude that would make any US citizen proud. Hillary’s history as demonstrated by her actions shows she is a true politician, one who puts her finger in the air and depending which way the wind is blowing, says what the citizenship would like to hear.

You need to read in the Huffington Post the article
Franklin D. Roosevelt: Socialist or "Champion of Freedom"?
04/23/2012 02:44 pm ET | Updated Jun 23, 2012 David Woolner

I have no need for any credit. This is a news story dedicated to all those in the media dedicated to tell the truth and the too many reporters throughout the world who have lost their lives just doing their job. The media that print this information are demonstrating they have integrity and are not in the pockets of special interests groups that have so much to lose if Bernie Sanders becomes President. His only special interest group that he is obliged to listen to is the average American citizen which includes about 90% of the people whether Democrat, Republican, or Independent who own as much as the other 1%.

MOST IMPORTANT IS PLEASE COPY THIS AND GET THIS TO EVERY PERSON ON YOUR MAILING LIST, TO EVERY NEWS ORGANIZATION, BLOG, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. MOST NEWS ORGANIZATIONS WILL NEVER PRINT ANYTHING LIKE THIS AS THEY KNOW WHO PUTS THE BUTTER ON THEIR BREAD. BERNIE IS THEIR WORST NIGHTMARE AND TO BERNIE: “PLEASE BE SAFE”. THOSE IN POWER WILL GET DESPERATE AND THIS IS NO TIME TO UNDERESTIMATE THEIR INSANITY.

michael / Human Being*
The WISDOM of SABU

Sisters And Brothers Universal
"Uplifting the Spirit by sharing the wealth"
"Que eleva el Espíritu al compartir la riqueza"

*Rather than live as a marionette, a consequence of the conditioning and other negative experiences one suffers from childhood on, a Human Being prefers to be free, independent, responsible, wise, happy, loving, and compassionate. By cutting the strings that control them and striving to reach their fullest potential, they are best able to help their Sisters And Brothers Universal do the same/SABU

[hopemountain]

9. welcome to du and

thank you for your informative post and links.

[Hortensis]

54. JimDandy, I don't use that term, but word policing

Is a well-known technique used by political groups to repress others and suppress their thought.

Right now we're seeing a big return of far-left attacks on people of different ideologies using this tactic, such as were common in the 1960s. I suggest any attempt in DU to wipe out political terms in common use in the larger world should be itself suppressed. This kind of "policing" does not belong on DEMOCRATIC Underground.

I believe this term will die off on its own anyway as people come to realize Bernie supporters aren't just " young white dudes who fancy themselves class warriors," but a coming together of people from across the ideological spectrum to embrace far-left solutions to today's problems. A 1960s redux, in fact.

[cui bono]

94. "word policing" is already in effect at DU so might as well add another. n/t

[Hortensis]

98. Yes. But the suggestion is group attacks to suppress

valid free speech, triggered simply by use of a political phrase one group feels is uncomplimentary to them. If the thoughts expressed are unwarrentedly offensive, they can be alerted on and put to vote on THAT basis.

[cui bono]

106. Then why not allow all the other banned words?

The b word, the c word and the n word?

I do believe that word in question is now being used as a slur, describing Bernie supporters as misogynistic, racist, etc... what's wrong with banning that? Why is that different than those other words? And it is absolutely used to disrupt and antagonize. And it's being used to smear in order to skew the election. That is the biggest offense.

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[JimDandy]

69. Thanks for the info Sabu and good to see a new poster!

Sanders owns his self-proclaimed label of Democratic Socialist and doesn't shy away from explaining what it means and how we already benefit from socialist programs in the U.S.

I'll check out your links tonight after work.

[Bill USA]

110. Uhhh, cuzz Bernie declared he was a "socialist". What do you think the GOP will do with that info

if Bernie were to be the Democratic Party's candidate. They will have their base base lifting pitchforks and lighting the torches!!!

[Fumesucker]

2. Rich white alpha males with their blue gingham who want lots of free stuff, that's our Berniebros..

[peacebird]

30. Love that cartoon!

[JimDandy]

72. Yep! n/t

[Jefferson23]

76. lol

[snot]

3. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Bernie must be winning.

[JimDandy]

74. Zero to do with how he's doing. Truly.

A strong sense of fairness and justice seems to have been ingrained in my DNA. It's been a very good guide for me all my life. I apply it liberally...and do so equally with Clinton re name calling. Democrats really need to focus on the issues now. There is too much at stake. Swing away all you want on what Bernie is proposing and I'm there for you...I'll listen...and defend his good ideas, of course. But I tune out anyone who goes into name-calling mode. I'll just alert from now on and go on to the next post.

[passiveporcupine]

4. Thank you Jim, I agree with you

All this ugly name stuff (especially Bernie Bros) has got to stop. And Sabu, thank you for throwing in the word socialism. I'm seeing that too much lately.

[ThreeWayFanny]

16. Ummmm, you're seeing the S world . ...

..... you're seeing the word "socialist" from Sanders. That's what he calls himself. So how does that relate to characterizing his suporters as bernie bros?

[Mbrow]

25. No he calls himself a Democratic Socialist,

There is a difference. Also there is a good book on the subject by John Nichols called the "S" word. good stuff about history.

[ThreeWayFanny]

96. Who cares what kind of socialist he calls himself? and...

.... who is going to bother to read a book on the subject? Not anyone who will be voting in 2016. They are going to hear him and his supporters saying "socialism" over and over and then they are going to watch attack ads featuring Venezuela.

Game over.

[Mbrow]

112. Interesting,

my wife and I have been in the middle of politics for a long time. My wife more then me. People are tired of the bought and paid for politicians, have been for a long time. You didn't get 100,000 people marching in Seattle (60,000 union members) against NAFTA and Bill Clinton because they were happy with the status quo of the democrats. And please do not mistake the news from the RW Media about all the RW BS is the norm of the land. People have been waiting for someone like Bernie for a long time and whether he takes it or not, he will have changed the landscape a lot. But think as you will, it's a free country, well kind of. But if you think Hillary will have an easier time of it.... I've got some bridges for sale.

[passiveporcupine]

62. Sanders is a democratic socialist, not a traditional socialist

there is a huge difference. And the people who are throwing it out as a warning, are calling him a socialist, not a democratic socialist.

We are a country of democtratic socialists and have been since FDR. There is no shame in that, and there is no danger in that. So people need to stop using that word as a threat.

Here you go...I keep giving this link out, in hopes people will learn something. Third time in as many days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

[ThreeWayFanny]

92. If you're explaining...

... You're losing. No one (IRL) cares about the various sects and cultic of socialism - the more he explains the more they will hear him and his supporters saying socialism over and over. And that's all they will hear

It's a bit late now, but if you aren't a "traditional" socialist, why call yourself a socialist at all?

[passiveporcupine]

102. I don't and neither does Sanders

We are democratic socialists. And if you don't bother to read the link and learn what the difference is, you really don't want to know...and I think I know why.

Just for the record.
Medicare and Medicaid and Veterans care are all socialism. But they do not take over the role of capitalism in the economy...they just help society in places where capitalism has no place. Public servants are democratic socialism. Many uses of democratic socialism are so inherent in our current system, you wouldn't know what to do without them.

I get the feeling some of you guys really must love unfettered capitalism that enables some people to be oligarchs while it impoverishes others.

Maybe it's not a new name for democratic socialist we need to come up with. Maybe it's a new name for capitalist. Maybe something along the lines of Randists.

[ThreeWayFanny]

127. Sure, Medicare and Medicade are socialist....

... and I've been told that so are roads and the water department. I bet the police and the military are also!

What with all their roads and aqueducts and legions and all, ancient Rome must have been a socialist paradise!

[passiveporcupine]

128. You know a lot about Roman history?

The most effective Roman technique for expansion was cultural-conversion by force - systematically obliterating the language, literature, art, philosophy, and science of the vanquished. New Roman citizens were obtained by employment in the army, binding the conquered masses to agricultural lands, or compelling them to join engineering teams to build roads, fortifications and other infrastructure. These new citizens were also offered a cut of future booty. It is within this context that the residual benefits of acquiescing to Roman power resulted in the promise of a higher quality of life, a life that would come from such basic human rights as the right to clean water and use of public latrines and bath houses (Virga).

By the first century AD, the city had a functioning city waster and sewer commissioner, Sextus Juilus Frontinus. With a large labor crew of slaves and military prisoners, he mapped, maintained and repaired the aqueducts and sewer systems. He later became Governor of Roman ruled Britain

http://courses.umass.edu/latour/Italy/Aqueducts_Wastewater_Systems_Rome/

Sounds like they kinda did what we did. They used slaves and conquered peoples to enlarge and enrich Rome and let them do the dirty work of building the infrastructure that the rich got to use. The freed working people also had access to public bath houses and such, but the water mostly went to wealthy settlements, because while the water was free, the infrastructure wasn't, so it was mostly built in the city to hlep buisness, wealthy people, and with some advantages for the working free. Slaves...not so much. Poor people and rural people could not afford the slaves to build the infrastructure to help them. Most houses still used chamber pots.

This is not what I wuuld call socialism. So,your point was?

[ThreeWayFanny]

129. Ummm, what's your point? Might it be that....

.... Rome wasn't a socialist paradise ? That public works do not make for socialism ? That bread, circuses, Medicare and medicade and other programs to benifit the general welfare are not intrinsically socialistic in nature?

Well gee, then I agree with you. And you might want to put aside the claim that medicare and Medicade make for socialism. Because of Rome and all.

[passiveporcupine]

130. Woosh!

That went right over your head.

Just curious about something. How are people going to live when robots are doing most of the labor for us, and there are few jobs left for the masses? How will capitalism handle that?

[ThreeWayFanny]

131. We'll just elect bernie sanders! He will lead us....

..... in a revolutuon to breakup the big robots!

[passiveporcupine]

132. Your replies are so thoughtful

Thanks.

[ThreeWayFanny]

135. Your questions and observations are so sophomoric; however...

..... i for one welcome our robot overlords.

[passiveporcupine]

136. I'm tired of this game

go for the last word...I know you can't help yourself. I thought we were done days ago.

[ThreeWayFanny]

137. OK, You win. (eom)

[cui bono]

108. Because words have meaning. At least to rational people they do.

Funny, I thought you spelled your name with an M. And even two Gs.

.

[ThreeWayFanny]

126. We aren't talking about "rational people", we're talking about...

..... voters. And beware of the conceit that those who vote for bernie are any much different.

[JimDandy]

75. Thanks, not-so-passive-porcupine! Appreciate it. Please help stop the Clinton naming calling, too

We have the best ideas on our side. We'll win with those, so no skin off our nose to keep the discussion on track, and on Bernie.

[Promethean]

5. I agree that it is an absurd pejorative.

However I never, ever, under any circumstances, support censorship of any kind. The tools of oppression you use today will be used against you tomorrow.

If you want bad ideas to die you must expose them to the light of day so that the truth of the bad idea can be seen by all. People who espouse bad ideas are only destroying their own credibility in the long term.

[Fumesucker]

7. This is a private website and we are all guests, censorship has nothing to do with it

You agreed to a list of rules, the TOS, when you signed up to post here, you either follow the rules or one way or another you don't post here any more. The same is true for all of us, if the rules say no more saying Berniebros then that's it.

I don't care one way or another about the stupid name, I actually think it's kind of cute in a "Bless their hearts" sort of way.

[Promethean]

20. Censorship has everything to do with it.

It doesn't matter the source. Regardless if its government, forum admins or social pressure censorship is always a net negative for society at any level.

[Fumesucker]

24. You agreed to the rules or you would not be posting

It's really that simple.

You can say a lot of shit here but there are some things that aren't allowed, by no means do I agree with everything or maybe even anything but I nevertheless agreed to the TOS so I try to follow that agreement.

You want somewhere to say anything you want in mixed company and I can direct you there too, you can tell people to DIAF or FOAD and no one will blink an eye.

[LWolf]

47. I don't disagree with you about censorship.

DU, though, is a censored site. It always has been. The bottom line is this: if you want to say something that violates the TOS, no matter how valid, say it elsewhere.

[merrily]

56. The OP is exposing a bad idea to the light, not burning books or arresting people

Simply explaining why a word or term is offensive is not censorship.

[JimDandy]

77. Name-calling is it's own form of oppression...and bullying.

It's okay to not just oppose bad ideas in the light of day, but to also take affirmative action to stop them. As someone has already pointed out, the rules here favor civility. I intend to help promote an atmosphere of civility here, so we can focus on the issues and fleshing out which solutions will benefit all of us the most.

[bettyellen]

91. Oh good lord. I am all for a civil atmosphere, but please stop with the oppression crap.

[JimDandy]

111. No. You illustrate my point. n/t

[Promethean]

113. Oppression and bullying...

from text on the internet...oh noes! My poor feelings! How will I ever recover! I am a special snowflake that cannot endure even the slightest controversy! I must flee to my infantilization space!

[SamKnause]

6. I am a 62 year old female.

I don't care what kind of crap is thrown about.

I support Bernie.

He is a man of integrity and truth.

I respect and admire the man.

I think he has earned my respect and admiration.

FEEL THE BERN

[JimDandy]

81. Same here Sam.

An atmosphere of civility, on both sides, though, goes a long way to getting his message out and putting issues front and center, where they need to be.

[pnwmom]

8. When a male Bernie supporter says that Hillary "cackles" or has a shrill voice,

or uses other misogynist terms against Hillary, can he be called a Bernie bro?

[Lil Missy]

10. yes. And it's pretty rich to have a Bernie supporter whine about terms used against their candidate

When Hillary is so slandered and maligned

[True Blue American]

11. Pretty Clear

To me that in the midst of a complaint about," Berniebro," we see nasty,hateful, lying cartoons of Hillary.

I have not made up my mind but those nasty cartoons push me right,straight to Hillary.

You fail miserably when you attack your fellow Democrat. Since you just might have to vote for her. A malicious hateful Democrat is just as obnoxious to me as a hateful Republican.

I want a Democrat in office. The childish hateful supporters are hurting us.

[Fumesucker]

14. The Clinton campaign's message to young women as delivered by Gloria Steinem

[pnwmom]

17. Gloria Steinem made a frustrated wisecrack and apologized. But it happened in response

to DECADES of sexist criticism of Hillary and other women candidates. And it must be so frustrating to be 81 years old and to listen to young women who are so sure that we're past any concerns about discrimination. All they have to do is talk to their older sisters. If they listened to them they'd learn that sexism is alive and well in the workplace and in the larger world. And by older sisters I don't mean the 80 year olds. I mean the 30 year olds. The ones who've had a few years of grappling with the realities.

Bernie spoke on Sunday about the sexist vitriol, saying it was disgusting and condemning it. But some of his supporters are just having too much fun to let it go.

I'm not including you in that group, Fumesucker, but they are all over the place.

[Fumesucker]

21. My point is that everyone uses langauge that's unfortunate, not the least Hillary

It's not always because someone is a racist or a sexist or a communist or a fascist, language is imprecise..

I recall this old Bloom County strip..

[druidity33]

27. That wasn't an apology. nt.

[Bluenorthwest]

114. Gloria is a transgender bashing bigot who is not a fit endorsment for an inclusive Democrat

Not that you give a rip about that sort of thing but I do, and it is not a shock that she's for the conservative Democrat, Gloria is conservative in many ways, wealthy, white, straight and transphobic.

So, I note whom she bullies others to promote. A bully is always a bully. The things she has said about transgender people are just vile.

[True Blue American]

133. That Is

A very good example of what I am talking about. The nasty name calling is not going over with women and is driving them right straight into the Hillary camp.

Honestly, I find this as disgusting as the Republican attacks.

It is very revealing that we find the Bernie supporters using the same kind of hateful name calling,which leads me to the conclusion I have had since I worked the polls for many years and saw Republicans pretend to be Democrats in the Primary vote for the weakest candidate, then switch over in the General to vote Republican.

So, understand this when a poster uses that hateful language against Hillary if you are not a Republican, you are certainly acting like one and are exposing yourself for who you are!

[True Blue American]

12. I agree

100%.

[pnwmom]

28. No, she doesn't. Cackle is a word used for mythical witches and real chickens,

and when it is used against real women, it is disgustingly sexist.

Anyone who uses the term against a woman is misogynist whether he or she realizes it or not.

And most women have higher pitched voices than men. Commenting on the shrillness of women's voices is, again, sexist. Criticizing women for the pitch of their voices is no different than criticizing people for the color of their skin or other physical differences.

[pnwmom]

34. "Cackle" and "shrill" are sexist terms for the laughter and voices of women

the user doesn't like. Often for women viewed as inappropriately loud.

They are terms virtually never used against men.

[Smarmie Doofus]

100. Wrong.

>>>They are terms virtually never used against men. >>>>>

"he cackled": 79,400 hits.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22he+cackled%22

[merrily]

57. Wouldn't that same person have said the same things if Bernie never ran?

Why smear Bernie. BTW, women say things like "shrill" as well.

[Stuckinthebush]

60. Absolutely.

Sexists and misogynistic language have no place here. The Bros are very sexist in the way they demean Hillary. If it looks like a duck and quacks like one....call it a duck.

[JimDandy]

84. No. Tell the poster to knock it off and to focus on the issues.

If you see something like that, PM me and I'll come and pile on to stop it...in a civil way of course.

[Mister Ed]

13. Suits me.

I've never used that term myself, and I make it my policy not to call anyone anything they don't want to be called.

But "racist"? There may be some people who are victims of some mighty serious racism who will take issue with you on that. But I'm sure not one myself, and so I can't presume to speak for them.

Speaking for myself, though: to me, it sounds almost on a par with someone declaring the phrase "white privilege" to be racist, on the grounds that it implies that we white folk are, you know, all like, white, and privileged.

[Lil Missy]

15. no sale. But thanks for playing.

[Tobin S.]

18. You can call me anything you want. Just don't call me late for dinner.

But I agree to a certain extent. You are going to have to support either Hillary or Bernie no matter who you support now. It's probably not a good idea to make fun of people you are eventually going to be allied with. However, I'm not going to be alerting on anyone.

If Hillary wins the nomination, I predict this place will become a ghost town. Skinner must be thinking, "Damned if I do, damned if I don't."

[Fumesucker]

55. I've been thinking about the admins lately, I wonder if they anticipated this turn of events?

[pnwmom]

19. What do you mean by "very special racial undertones"? Isn't the word "bro"

a word that started in the AA community? Are you suggesting somehow that the people who are using the term are denigrating African Americans?

That seems like a huge stretch.

I don't think it carries any racial connotations anymore. And when it is used in context with Bernie supporters, it refers to a certain kind of male bonding against Hillary.

[marble falls]

39. One might make the same argument about cackle, ...

and one would be wrong in both instances. See the Bloom County strip above.

Why are we parsing sentences and searching out the seven layers of meaning of one word when the objective is to get the best Candidate into the WH, be it Hillary or Bernie????????

[pnwmom]

42. Because when derogatory sexist slams like cackle and shrill are made against Hillary

it is offensive.

Why don't you ask Bernie why, just yesterday, he said that the sexist "crap" should stop and he didn't want people who used it in his campaign?

[Andy823]

67. I applaud Bernie for what he said.

Of course all of a sudden there is the huge number of posts coming out claiming there are no such thing as Bernie Bros, they are Hillary supporters "claiming" to be Sanders supporters. Other posts claim they are out there, but not here on DU.

It's not all of his supporters, just a select few who spew hate and BS on a daily basis, and make rude comments to those who disagree with them. Some are saying the Bernie Bros are trolls, which I agree many probably are, but they do exist, and the are here on DU calling each other by that name. Here is one post I found, by a now BANNED poster:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

[Warren DeMontague]

22. What do you want them to do, actually discuss issues?

It's been a nonstop campaign against "bernie supporters" for 6 months. Bros, Gingham Shirt wearing Mac Users, before that they were all Racists, White Supremacists, Volvo Drivers...

The whole point is a desperate attempt by a candidate's campaign that is overwhelmingly focused on superficialities and little else, to paint the competition as "uncool". And it isn't working. (if it is, why does Sanders only go up in the polls, hyperbolic bullshit about how his supporters are, "like, totally alienating everyone oh. my. god." notwithstanding?)

Because supporting Bernie Sanders has jack shit to do with "wanting to be cool" or superficialities, it's about wanting to move this country in a decidedly better direction, a course correction that is long overdue after several decades of rightward drift.



Oh, and that desperate attempt by the candidate's campaign that overwhelmingly focused on superficialities and little else? They pulled the exact same shit 8 years ago.

Why? Because they won't compete on the playing field of actual bold policy proposals and issue-oriented discussion.

Or more likely, they can't.

[peacebird]

31. It will get worse before it gets better. Desperation is settling in like a dense fog over Camp HRC

The fears of deja vu must be almost suffocating.

[Zorra]

45. Well said, thanks. nt

[merrily]

58. Wonderful post, Warren Montague. Thank you.

[leftofcool]

32. So white privileged males are being picked on?

My heart just bleeds

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Picked on? No. It's you guys hanging a giant neon sign over your campaign that says "We Got Nothin'"

How's that working out for ya?

[bigwillq]

37. Hello

Welcome to DU!

[marble falls]

40. Short welcome!

[casperthegm]

41. I'm fairly new to DU but when it comes to the labels and name calling...

I think it's all pretty childish and petty. For whichever side does it. Any post that has any kind of name-calling just gets ignored by me. If you have an issue with some real substance to back your view then you don't need to resort to name calling to get your point across. The petty, squabbling posts on here are disappointing. I honestly expect to see that on a gop debate, not here.

[PeaceNikki]

44. I have not seen it used in a broadbrush manner here. But "Berniebros" do exist.

Granted, they are fewer and farther between on DU than other forums (Reddit, Facebook, etc), but they are a specific type of Sanders supporter that needs to be called out for their boorish behavior.

What truly has no place here is BEING a BernieBro.

[Zorra]

51. Here:

[PeaceNikki]

53. Lol. Greenwald.lol TYT.

Thankfully the Sanders isn't in such denial and is trying to reign them in.

[Electric Monk]

71. Clearly you didn't watch the video clip. Thanks for making it obvious. nt

[PeaceNikki]

73. Right. I am not a fan of either. It's 9+ minutes of my life I would never get back.

[bettyellen]

83. You missed a startling expose on Mashable- OMG. So funny. TYT not under a bus yet?

Saw it run over Rachel Maddow a few days ago.

[PeaceNikki]

89. Mashable is a tool of the Clinton campaign?

Lol

[bettyellen]

90. apparently they are the only (and a horrible) source on all things "Bro". they have the

"Bro" all wrong, she could just as likely be a woman, according to this. Also, he argues what are ya going to do, vote for Carly because she has a hoo-ha? I cannot believe they thought that was worth spending almost ten minutes on. Ouch.

[Bluenorthwest]

115. Nikki I have always liked you but you have used repeatedly broad brushes about Bernie supporters

of which I am one, and you have taken part in the recurring tactic in which that vile Stockholm post is tied to all Bernie supporters even though I and many others objected to it endlessly.
I'm tired of the crap your team is pulling. Your words have actually hurt me here because I liked you prior to this.

[PeaceNikki]

116. I have never used broad brushes against Sanders supporters.

I have always said a very vocal, yet very real minority.

Always.

And often said that this problem is (with rare exception) not on DU, but places like Reddit and Facebook. Please show me where I've implied otherwise.

It's just not true.

I like Sanders. And a lot of my closest friends are supporters. We've always remained civil. And I fully intend to do so.

[Bluenorthwest]

118. Except it is. You hurt my feelings, don't want to accept that fine.

I'm sick of the way you folks claim all Bernie supporters are the same as that Stockholm guy. I was all over that thread objecting to it and yet you and your cohort constantly hang that on all of us. It's shitty, bullying behavior and you have in fact been part of it.

I thought maybe you'd be an adult but all I can say is I tried. If you think you have been fair, you need to check yourself, I'm not going to look for you. I almost sent you PM's twice, decided it's not worth it. And I can see that it was not.

Good luck to your candidate. Winning is not everything. Have a nice election PeaceNikki.

[PeaceNikki]

120. I've never every said "all" or implied all, most or even a ton.

Honest to fuck, BNW, just look.

What's hurtful is the denial that it does happen. It's happened to me. That hurts that you deny my own experiences, which have been shitty and bullying. I'm not accusing you. I never have. Even the Sanders campaign is trying to rein it in.

I challenged you to point it out because I have never done it and if you read that into any of my posts, I want to reread them, rethink and learn. Or at least understand.

I truly am sorry if I stepped out of bounds in a way that hurt you. It was never my intention. You're right, winning isn't everything and I've never ever meant to upset or hurt you.

[PeaceNikki]

125. And here's a damn heart.

Even if you've written me off, I still like and respect you.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

46. Meh. I like to see the knives coming.

I'd rather be attacked directly than from behind, to know who the haters are.

It's like 'neckbeard' - a derogatory term based on an arbitrary piece of genetics, used by an in-group to demean members of an out-group with no power in their defined societal segment. Huh, kind of reminds me of another n-word, come to think of it.

At any rate, as I said, I'd rather see who is reduced to such childish namecalling upfront, and not be worried about not knowing about their hate until they suddenly pop up to kneecap me.

[Squinch]

48. .

[DrFunkenstein]

49. I Am A Very Strong Supporter of Sanders - The Sexist, Bullying Crap Has To End

I've been at DU a long time and even in the darkest hours of the Bush era, I vehemently told Democrats to stop calling Ann Coulter by sexist terms. And she is a really disgusting person.

I am deeply, deeply disappointed by the decisions that HRC has made during the course of her career. I would love to see a female President, and I think she has betrayed many of her own best instincts - causing massive loss of life and money in the process - but that doesn't warrant calling her anything SPECIFIC to her gender. That is, in fact, sexist. Just as her husband's philandering is sexist, but such equivalences don't change the matter.

Bullying comments generally, let alone sexist ones, are COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. If you want Sanders to win, please follow me and call out your fellow supporters whenever they cross lines of decency - for the sake of the campaign.

Part of Sanders' appeal is his basic decency. You undermine that when you tacitly allow Sanders supporters to continue hurting his campaign.

[True Blue American]

134. Damning

With praise?

Posting how terrible you think Hillary is, then object to the name calling.

Sorry, I disagree with the first part of your post,agree withe the second part.

First of all I suspect a good share of those name calling," Democrats," will be voting for a Republican in the General. They expose themselves with the nasty,right wing talking points.

Working at the Polls you get a chance to see them in action.

[CharlotteVale]

50. It is the epitome of sexism. I am female and support Bernie.

Bernie has many female supporters and is getting more and more all the time. Who the hell do they think they are to deny our existence?

[lumberjack_jeff]

52. I would say postERS... n/t

[gollygee]

59. There are BernieBros

Hopefully not many among DU's Bernie supporters, but out in the Internet world there absolutely are some "male rights advocates" who are sexists asses and who have earned that title.

There are both Bernie and Hillary supporters who are overly antagonistic here, but I don't know if any of the overly antagonistic Bernie supporters here are Bernie Bros. I haven't been looking but I don't think I've seen them here at DU.

Also, racism is a societal trend that supports white supremacy. You can't be racist against white people.

[Smarmie Doofus]

85. Bullshit:

>>>You can't be racist against white people.>>>

That in itself is a racist statement.

[Electric Monk]

87. +1 nt

[gollygee]

107. Nope

Because it doesn't support white supremacy. We live in a racist society, and it isn't racist against white people. You can look at any statistic you want and see who society is holding back.

[randome]

61. Or 'Hillarians'. Or 'Sandernistas'.

People like to brag to the world how simplistic their means of communication are. It's a puzzle.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

[JimDandy]

93. I thought *Hillarians*

was similar to the terms used to give name to people who belong to, or are of a place. For example: Iowans, Washingtonians or hey, even 'Bernians'. It seems innocuous to me, but if it has a different meaning, please clue me in. And, of course, if her supporters are objecting to being so named, then they should be listened to--that's the bottom line.

The term Sandernistas is, of course, meant to evoke the Sandinistas and Contras conflict in Nicaragua and is clearly intended to be derogatory.

I like what you said:

People like to brag to the world how simplistic their means of communication are. It's a puzzle.

While I have found your views to be way more conservative then mine, you stick to the issues and certainly couldn't be accused of doing that.

[senz]

63. It leaves out all of us who aren't "Bros." It's discriminatory!

[okasha]

64. I believe you are the first

to dub the bros "alpha males."

Given their pack behavior, I find that amusing.

[one_voice]

65. a racist term. Really?

racist?

[Andy823]

66. Really?

Like this one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

Actually all of Bernie's supporters are NOT Bernie Bro types, but there are a lot of them that are, and they are not hard to find, just check out the first page of DU-P.

Of course I don't really believe that most of them really do support Bernie, they just claim the do so they can post divisive crap on the boards and keep the arguments going.

[JimDandy]

68. Thanks for all your replies. Am on a lunch break so will try to get to as many of them as I can. n/t

[Andy823]

99. You never got back to me

Was it OK for someone here on DU to use that term when talking to his followers?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

[zappaman]

70. Is this a new rule from Skinner?

I missed the announcement about this "racist" term.

[bettyellen]

78. "almost racist" - are you for real with that?

[JimDandy]

79. The short answer is *Yes*.

[bettyellen]

80. Ain't nothing like the real thing. That's all I got to say about that tone deaf bit of nonsense.

[zappaman]

121. We should learn that one at the next jam session

[Avalux]

82. It's childish name-calling because they're grasping at straws.

It has been an odd week for us female Bernie supporters though. Hillary's supporters have defined us as:

1. Berniebros
2. Going to hell if we don't support Hillary
3. Only supporting Bernie to get laid

I wonder what's next?

[JimDandy]

86. It is. Clinton is faced with a candidate who, although he has been in political office

for a long time, has almost no dirty laundry. On top of that, he truly empathizes with the plight of others and promotes usable solutions to their problems, instead of ducking on the issues. That is a rarity and it leaves little for her campaign to attack, so they are focusing on attacking his supporters instead.

I haven't heard #2 yet. What is the story behind that?

[Electric Monk]

88. Madeline Albright, re: #2

Madeline Albright: 'special place in hell' for women who don't support Clinton

[stevenleser]

95. Take it up with Bernie Sanders. He acknowledged the Berniebros problem

As soon as you convince him he's wrong get back to us.

[Electric Monk]

105. Oh, you're back again? Counting on people having a short memory, eh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=658816

[Bucky]

97. I'm 52. Can I still be a Bernie Bro? I think it sounds fun.

I still have a few Izod shirts from the 80s that I could layer up and collar-pop on.

[EdwardBernays]

101. especially

since the term is just political propanada... and akin to the Clinton's racist surrogates calling black people that supported Obama "boys" in 2008.

[Andy823]

103. So tell me

If you think it's all propaganda, is this poster spreading propaganda?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251772854

[EdwardBernays]

104. That poster

I have no idea what the hell that was...

The point is though that the term was invented by the opposing campaign and it echoes the OTHER racist term that that same candidate generates in 2008...

so much of her 2016 campaign is just 2008 all over again... except like all sequels it a lot worse than the original.

[backscatter712]

109. Thank you!

"BernieBro" is a fabrication by Clinton's campaign to brand all of those who support Bernie as "sexist shitlords" out of Animal House and shame them.

This shit is disgusting, and should have no place here.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. It's insulting to the women, LGBT and elders who support Bernie to start off.

But that's the key strategy Hillary is running. Bullying and name calling now that she can't lecture about gay marriage and the gang problem and get by with it.

[asuhornets]

119. With all the horrible

names Hillary has been insulted with. This post sounds like a classic case of "I can dish it out, but can't take it in return.

[Lorien]

122. We could always stoop to their level and call them "Hillary Hoo-Has"

It's about as classy and accurate.

[Warren DeMontague]

123. The Hill Folk.

[Lorien]

124. Ha! Now why does that bring up images

of children of the corn?

[stevenleser]

138. BernieBros AFAIK describes a couple of types of ugly behavior

In particular, the posting a criticism of Bernie, or something praising Hillary results in an ad hominem attack on the poster (often a swarming attack) or a threadjack to an attack on Hillary.

I had a Berniebro response to one of my comments today. I've had several Berniebro attacks on me.

I think it would be better for those engaging in Berniebros attacks to stop.