2016 Postmortem
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Clinton weighs staff shake-up after New Hampshire'The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that,' one Democrat says.
By Glenn Thrush and Annie Karni - Politico
02/08/16 02:04 PM EST - Updated 02/08/16 02:18 PM EST
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Hillary and Bill Clinton are so dissatisfied with their campaigns messaging and digital operations they are considering staffing and strategy changes after whats expected to be a loss in Tuesdays primary here, according to a half-dozen people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Clintons -- stung by her narrow victory in Iowa -- had been planning to reassess staffing at the campaigns Brooklyn headquarters after the first four primaries, but the Clintons have become increasingly caustic in their criticism of aides and demanded the reassessment sooner, a source told POLITICO.
The talk of shake-up echoes what happened in 2008 when Clinton was on the verge of sacking her campaign manager and several top communications officials before her surprise win here bailed out her beleaguered staff. Over time, however she slowly layered over top officials, essentially hiring old hands like Hillaryland stalwart Maggie Williams and pollster Geoff Garin to run the campaign while the previous staff were quietly relegated to subsidiary positions.
Its not clear if that will happen again, but several people close to the situation said Clinton would be loathe to fire anyone outright and more inclined to add new staff.
The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that, said one Democratic official who speaks regularly to both.
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Link: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-staff-shakeup-218955
bravenak
(34,648 posts)South Carolina will be great for her. And Nevada. And super Tuesday. By Super Tuesdah she will have 3 states to his one. Yay!
tecelote
(5,156 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)I doubt a victory in NH will hurt, either.
P.S. You should remove your gave-dancing gif. It's terribly unbecoming.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)No! My gif stays until the gnat gifs leave. They stress me out. Heebeejeebies.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)But please don't expect people to consider you credible. Credibility is a thing grave-dancers do not have.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)And John Lewis. And PP. and and and...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I am talking about your SPLAT!!!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And PP, and John Lewis, and and and...
jfern
(5,204 posts)Only Hawaii has fewer non Hispanic whites than California.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)Would that count as so many hides since you did a Bushie: "Bring it on"?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Is that what I did? Crap!
stuffmatters
(2,580 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)he's pulled even with her in nationwide polls.
Hillary's campaign is beginning to look very much like a rerun of eight years ago. I seem to think she had a major shake-up in her staff right about this point also.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He can beat her in the vote totals and lose by delegates. That's fine with me. But he won't.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)At least he has Colorado.
frylock
(34,825 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He does. I predict no real change. Will happen. I predict he loses. My predictions are spot on. Pisses folks off to hear reality.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)It pisses off people when you claim the ability to time travel, perhaps.
You should probably remove your grave-dancing gif. It's horribly unbecoming.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hear the same complaings about his grassroots abd his message from a variety of sources. He actually LOST ground to Clinton with us recently. See? Losing ground is NOT GOOD. He should hire more diversity on his staff. Maybe they can tell him what he's failing to do.
Btw? He's angry. All the time. Bothers many that his anger at wall streets is unflagging while he is very pragmatic on race.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Check with me in April. We can see if my prediction are correct.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Boring. Or that awful 'america' ad where nobody looked like me and nothing looked like where I live and Garfunkle was suposed to be comforting. I felt erased from 'america'.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)How about "a couple hundred white people"? Or is that just a description?
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Maybe she doesn't feel comfortable around them as she admitted about LGBT?
It would certainly go to explain her horribly racist 2008 campaign. How they think she is going to get a pass on that now that Sanders has been established as electable, I can't imagine. They have to know that when the campaign gets to South Carolina the media is going to be plastered with racist soundbytes from her 2008 campaign.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I thought it was a Romney rally from 2008, except Romney drew bigger crowds.
Looks like future #45 to me!!
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)to Hillary's blatant racist views any day. She's been nothing but condescending and hateful towards Black people since she was first lady, and just like you, she's hoping we don't pay attention to it.
Don't start counting those chickens yet...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They all are failures otherwise white supremacy would be a memory. Nobody running has done anything of note to fix this system since I've been alive. Nothing.
sahel
(87 posts)Ouch. I am sorry the human race has been such an abject disappointment to you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)As good as I want? Nobody is. And never will be.
sahel
(87 posts)on race, I mean.
I thought as much.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The psychological effect on our children was better than all other presidents combined. We knew HE wouldn't 'put us back in chains!'
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Prisons For Profits have made out greatly under his Admin. And don't forget the innocent POC in Pakistan that he is killing with drones (100 innocent people for every suspect).
What one single thing did he do for PoC?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)With Holder and now Lynch as AG. And there is no one more able to do something about it than the Justice department.
Why is that? Are they racist too or just enablers?
And if Obama could do nothing why do you think Hillary can?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)With Vermonts excessive black incarceration rate I wonder why nobody bully pulpited that state into fixing this decades long issue. Somebody who maybe lives there?
sahel
(87 posts)his state into jailing less black people? Beats me.
But it was probably the same reason that the junior senator from Illinois of that time wasn't also able to singlehandedly decrease his own state's excessive incarceration rate:-

What was his name again? I think it rhymed with "Obama"....
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sahel
(87 posts)he was going to sway the Republicans by sheer force of his will and charisma. What a steaming heap of cack that turned out to be.
Incidentally, isnt it amazing what happens when the winning horse might not be winning any more?

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/former-n-a-a-c-p-president-endorses-bernie-sanders/?_r=0
zeemike
(18,998 posts)We have seen black people gunned down in the streets over the last 7 years and nothing has changed...and now you are telling us that if you elect a white woman who has been in politics all of her life that she will do something different.
bravenak
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sahel
(87 posts)and no real suggestions for Sanders, other than purely stylistic suggestions such as that he hire more staff or convert to Christianity?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I am ambivalent. If Hillary wins, I get up early to vote in Nov. If Bernie wins, I'll try to make it to the polls if I have time. Might grab food first. Art gallery maybe. Hopefully I make it there the two blocks from my house in time. Might end up late. Hope not
sahel
(87 posts)But I digress.
I guess we cancel each other out then. If Hillary wins, I will probably get drunk and roam the streets shouting at people until two minutes before the polling booth closes. I'll try and get there in time mind you, but I'm not promising anything.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oh. That was about a church. Of course she shares their faith. She loves her some church.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)That the US has witnessed 7 years of vicious, openly racist attacks on Obama 50 years after the VRA passed shows how well the law has "fixed" the problem. The problem is not with the law, it is with the people who cannot accept and who do not believe that blacks are really equal. In my view.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Shame and self realization. Perhaps supremacy is addictive? The first step in fighting addiction is to admit that the addiction exists.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)and I think there's only so much that a president alone can really do about it. Sad, but true.
should tell them to spend some time in the DU Hillary group. It's always good news there!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)yourout
(8,824 posts)GoneOffShore
(18,021 posts)Where the sun is always shining and the moon is always full, and there's a gentle warm breeze?
And everyone has 250k/year jobs?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)"Where seldom is heard a discouraging word. And the skies are not cloudy all day."
That is life in Camp Weathervane/Bansalot.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)msongs
(73,755 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)2008 we ran her against a black man with a Muslim name, this year against a 73 year old Jewish self described socialist.....not sure what more they expect....time for introspection
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)been a total jerk -
One: that she understands that the money that enabled her and Bill to garner some 189 millions of dollars since leaving the WH was due to a precious little quid pro quo and that it was wrong.
Two: then give the money away to people who were made homeless by the Elite's continual manipulation of the economy. (12 million homelss people splitting up the 189 million won't be all that much to each of them, but it would eb soemthing.
Of course, she would never get past point One. It is not in the nature of either Clinton to tell the truth.
Bill and his "I did not have sex with that woman" and Hillary with her "they offered the money - what could I do but take it?" -- those remarks both show how morally flawed they are.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Just replace Britney's name with Hillary's and you get the picture.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)What out! I got banned from the Hillary cave way back in the summer for this.... and I didn't even mention Hillary (because it was a MILD RIBBING on the supporters there....who have no sense of humor apparently)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I can't recall if it was mild ribbing, or just an honest question.
If they see Bernie Sanders supporters as evil incarnate, then I wonder what they think of voters in general? All we ever wanted was a fair shake for us and generations to come. The fact that THE POSITIVE ENERGY OF BERNIE SANDERS came along to awaken our spirits should say something.
Take home message for the Clintons: Treat the rest of the American citizens like you like them, and you'll stop getting mad and start getting a soul.
antigop
(12,778 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Good one.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)She's on a roll!!1!!
scottie55
(1,400 posts)No one is really sure.
No way to tell.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Somebody isn't being honest about this.
I wonder who.
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Blaming her campaign team for not making her more believable and likeable is misplaced anger.
She needs to do some serious navel gazing.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)"We are displeased".
Blaming the staff for her own tone-deafness, flip-flopping, and self-inflicted drama is just so Clintonesque. And she expects us to vote for 4 years of that crap? No thanks. This is not the 90s. We know who you serve, and it ain't us.
Gamecock Lefty
(708 posts)Well now, that's a majority!!!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Try getting past the headline next time.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)just a crazy thought.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Awww, the Clintons are not happy? Tough darts.
liberalhistorian
(20,905 posts)send out forty emails a day bemoaning that she's being outraised and how dare anyone not vote for her greatness and the greatness it could bestow on this ungrateful nation and how entitled she is, after all, to the crown, and practically demanding more and more and more and more and more and more money and donations, she wouldn't have as much of a fucking problem. Her attitude of utter entitlement to the nomination is beyond infuriating, as it was in '08, and it's obvious she's learned nothing. For every email I get from her, I'm giving one dollar to Sanders. If everyone did that, he'd have no problem fundraising for the rest of the campaign season.
It's funny, isn't it, that Hillary has PACs and deep-pocketed donors, but is still being outraised by Sanders, who only relies on us "little people" for his funding. I'm done with her, her entitled attitude, and her relentless demanding emails.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)It's with the candidate. The voters didn't want her then, and it's looking like they don't want her now. That's on her, not the campaign.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)got rid of Glass-Steagall. Those folks are in the streets, lost everything they had, spent their retirement just trying to wait out the economy that lying politicians told them would be back for them. You have over a hundred million dollar, those people can't even feed their kids. Made it ok to look down on black folks who need some relief, and put tens of thousands more in prison.
...
The explosion of the prison system under Bill Clintons version of the War on Drugs is impossible to dispute. The total prison population rose by 673,000 people under Clintons tenure or by 235,000 more than it did under President Ronald Reagan, according to a study by the Justice Policy Institute. Under President Bill Clinton, the number of prisoners under federal jurisdiction doubled, and grew more than it did under the previous 12-years of Republican rule,combined, states the JPI report (italics theirs). The federal incarceration rate in 1999, the last year of the Democrats term, was 42 per 100,000 more than double the federal incarceration rate at the end of President Reagans term (17 per 100,000), and 61 percent higher than at the end of President George Bushs term (25 per 100,000), according to JPI.
...
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons
Too bad you couldn't help the economy of working people as much as you helped your friends who make money from the industrial prison system. Or your bank$ter/jihadist friends.
Nothing has changed: Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags' < I guess we shouldn't expect more, eh?
I so don't give a damn what any Clinton says, and,frankly, the sooner I no longer see the names Bush or Clinton in my news the better.
rocktivity
(45,006 posts)A margin of victory so small that both she and Obama ended up with the same number of delegates. Talk about being doomed to repeat your own history!
rocktivity
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)would challenge her and even if they did wouldn't have a chance.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Forgetting that a few million voters had yet to speak.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)She thought she would scare away the competition... and she did.
Until Bernie Sanders stood up.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They just need to rebrand that old 1990s new coke, and they'll find a few gullible saps that will buy it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I've got it, just keep saying "berniebros" when asked about wall st. Or the iraq war.
earthside
(6,960 posts)It is Hillary Clinton.
Not even the slickest marketing can turn an insider, establishment, multi-millionaire politician into an economic and social populist.
So, of course, the Clintons aren't happy. The Democrats were all supposed to fall in line ... but just as in 2008, the real Hillary is obvious to all who want to see.
Too bad.
Blus4u
(608 posts)and behind the podium. He's doing wonders for her. 😂
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)moondust
(21,287 posts)Renegades beware!!!
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)we can't do anything he wants platform isn't working?
Who woulda thunk it.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Too much BS goes unanswered.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Is this meant to reassure her stalwarts and convince undecideds in NH? Or is it an attempt to start the comeback kid narrative early?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
SusanLarson
(284 posts)You simply can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Please note...
For the Hillary supporters this is not disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. It is a proverb dating back to the 1500's
dictionary.reference.com/browse/can-t-make-a-silk-purse-out-of-a-sow-s-earBe unable to turn something ugly or inferior into something attractive or of value, as in No matter how expensive his clothes, he still looks sloppyyou can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This expression was already a proverb in the mid-1500s.
For the record my use applies to inferior and is only applicable to Hillary Clinton based on her positions as a candidate only; and not to her, her gender, or any other aspect of her personally.
It's quite sad that you have to put a disclaimer longer than your post to keep someone from being able to use the jury system as an offensive weapon to silence you and surpress your opinions.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)However it seems like the more she contrasts herself with Sanders the better he does.
I also think from the emails and stuff that Hillary seems to be sort of like royalty and has people serving her and maybe they are not entirely conscious of what people are going thru out there.
In my mind she runs too far to the left in some ways but then too far to the right in other ways.
For instance, the people I know, they are not so concerned with banning guns, or women's issues but they are really concerned with economic issues.
She might have some traction on foreign policy issues and combatting terror, and Sanders isn't really hyperfocused on those issues.
But the fact she was so timid as SOS and didn't really maker her mark like Kerry or even Albright who is campaigning for her undercuts that.
She could come even further Sanders way economically, but then all the speeches for Wall Street sort of under cut that. Why the *(&^^ did she do that if she was going to run for president? I mean didn't she see what Obama did to Romney over his speeches to the rich?
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)and that's a Republican who masquerades as a Democrat....
too much poor history, too much Third Way, too much Status Quo...
peace13
(11,076 posts)It's the product they're selling!
tularetom
(23,664 posts)No staff in the world can cover up the fact that Hillary Clinton is a terrible candidate who lacks the maturity and judgment required to be president.
Especially when that staff is hired precisely to tell her what she wanted to hear, rather than the truth.
Jarqui
(10,909 posts)... then the Sanders campaign is likely rather happy with their campaign.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,961 posts)she ruined your last run, and she is doing the same exact thing. That woman will be smoking 100 dollar cigars with her friend, president Marco Rubio!