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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 04:57 PM Feb 2016

'The Clintons Are Not Happy, And Have Been Letting All Of Us Know That,' One Democrat Says.

Clinton weighs staff shake-up after New Hampshire
'The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that,' one Democrat says.

By Glenn Thrush and Annie Karni - Politico
02/08/16 02:04 PM EST - Updated 02/08/16 02:18 PM EST

<snip>

Hillary and Bill Clinton are so dissatisfied with their campaign’s messaging and digital operations they are considering staffing and strategy changes after what’s expected to be a loss in Tuesday’s primary here, according to a half-dozen people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Clintons -- stung by her narrow victory in Iowa -- had been planning to reassess staffing at the campaign’s Brooklyn headquarters after the first four primaries, but the Clintons have become increasingly caustic in their criticism of aides and demanded the reassessment sooner, a source told POLITICO.

The talk of shake-up echoes what happened in 2008 – when Clinton was on the verge of sacking her campaign manager and several top communications officials – before her surprise win here bailed out her beleaguered staff. Over time, however she slowly layered over top officials, essentially hiring old hands – like Hillaryland stalwart Maggie Williams and pollster Geoff Garin – to run the campaign while the previous staff were quietly relegated to subsidiary positions.

It’s not clear if that will happen again, but several people close to the situation said Clinton would be loathe to fire anyone outright and more inclined to add new staff.

“The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that,” said one Democratic official who speaks regularly to both.

<snip>

Link: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-staff-shakeup-218955



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'The Clintons Are Not Happy, And Have Been Letting All Of Us Know That,' One Democrat Says. (Original Post) WillyT Feb 2016 OP
They will cheer up after NH when they get win after win in the nore diverse states bravenak Feb 2016 #1
You forgot... tecelote Feb 2016 #4
No thanks. Bernie polls POORLY in DIVERSE states bravenak Feb 2016 #5
Not so much as before. I suspect the performance in IA will continue to shake the polls, too. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #22
Bad enough and no time to keep introducing himself. bravenak Feb 2016 #23
You want to be a miserable grave-dancer, it is your choice. Gore1FL Feb 2016 #25
An eye for an eye leaves two blind people. pangaia Feb 2016 #41
Tell that to the people who harssed Trayvons mother. bravenak Feb 2016 #44
Don't tell me what the fuck to do. pangaia Feb 2016 #47
Go tell the people who harassed Trayvons mother, bravenak Feb 2016 #50
Down only 11 points in the Field poll a month ago in California jfern Feb 2016 #54
Still losing. Let me know when he pulls even. bravenak Feb 2016 #64
Oh no you didn't just invite yourself to be slammed with call outs. greiner3 Feb 2016 #100
Oh no! bravenak Feb 2016 #106
I believe Bernie's going to win Ca handily stuffmatters Feb 2016 #67
And of course he's doing so poorly that SheilaT Feb 2016 #58
Delegates are what we count. bravenak Feb 2016 #65
"Steiner's assault will bring it under control." Babel_17 Feb 2016 #118
YEEEEARRRRRGHHHHH!!! frylock Feb 2016 #7
I know. I saw the terrible polls for him. bravenak Feb 2016 #8
The next correct prediction you make will be the first correct prediction you make. frylock Feb 2016 #11
I predicted that Sanders would poll poorly among blacks. bravenak Feb 2016 #16
How do you know your predictions are spot on if the events you are prediciting haven't happened? Gore1FL Feb 2016 #24
Because the polls bear this out as do anecdotal things and such bravenak Feb 2016 #26
Anecdotes and guesses? Perhaps grave dancing is a better idea after all... n/t Gore1FL Feb 2016 #28
Perhaps. bravenak Feb 2016 #34
Can you find the anecdote in this picture? ieoeja Feb 2016 #31
Looks boring bravenak Feb 2016 #33
One could even say monotone. n/t ieoeja Feb 2016 #35
Like the Regatta and the big events in stadiums. bravenak Feb 2016 #39
Why are you talking about Bernie stuff in relation to a photo I posted of a Clinton rally? n/t ieoeja Feb 2016 #43
Both boring rallies. bravenak Feb 2016 #45
Can you find the anecdote in this picture? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #37
Yep. Another all White Clinton rally. I think she has a problem relating to people of color. ieoeja Feb 2016 #48
That was a Clinton Rally??? Really??? bvar22 Feb 2016 #108
#45 lobodons Feb 2016 #66
I'll take Bernie's "pragmatism" on race nyabingi Feb 2016 #60
Hell. Who hasn't been a crap bag on race? bravenak Feb 2016 #62
Not even Obama? sahel Feb 2016 #71
Best president on race so far. bravenak Feb 2016 #75
What did he do? sahel Feb 2016 #86
There is a list going around bravenak Feb 2016 #88
His DOJ ignored the problems with police killing innocent POC in the streets. rhett o rick Feb 2016 #112
And that would include Obama for the last 7 years. zeemike Feb 2016 #72
They are better that all those before them but still not good enough. bravenak Feb 2016 #74
You mean why didnt a senator from Vermont singlehandedly jawbone sahel Feb 2016 #84
But HE'S A FIGHTER!! bravenak Feb 2016 #85
and the last guy was a UNITER!!! sahel Feb 2016 #90
Better than what? zeemike Feb 2016 #87
Better than. bravenak Feb 2016 #89
So you have no real preference for Hillary? sahel Feb 2016 #92
I'm an atheist! Why would conversion be my thing? No. bravenak Feb 2016 #93
Some remark you made about Hillary "sharing their faith" or somesuch sahel Feb 2016 #94
Glad we see eye to eye. bravenak Feb 2016 #96
LBJ "fixed" the race problem by passing the Voting Rights Act. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #77
It won't get fixed until the majority actually have enough shame to fix themselves., bravenak Feb 2016 #80
Nicely stated. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #105
That's true nyabingi Feb 2016 #117
Someone ejbr Feb 2016 #2
LOL snagglepuss Feb 2016 #13
My first good laugh of the week. Thank you! n/t truedelphi Feb 2016 #14
Otherwise known as the unicorn lounge. yourout Feb 2016 #21
Ah, do you mean Camp Weathervane GoneOffShore Feb 2016 #57
Their theme song is "Home On The Range" hobbit709 Feb 2016 #116
Exactly. I will tell you what the corp-media says then you tell me. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #111
oh dear they forgot to mention the names of "one democrat". it's politico lol nt msongs Feb 2016 #3
Bill Maher is right..... pipoman Feb 2016 #6
And all she has to do is one very simple thing - Confess up that she has truedelphi Feb 2016 #18
Boo hoo! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #9
Boo hoo! AlbertCat Feb 2016 #42
I got banned after one post, AlbertCat... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #81
She ain't fighting for me, that's for damn sure. nt antigop Feb 2016 #10
She's fighting for herself and Wall St. 840high Feb 2016 #12
They obviously need more, and more robust, baggage handlers. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #15
LOL! kath Feb 2016 #17
That. Made me laugh. nt artislife Feb 2016 #109
But she WON in Iowa!11!!1 Arazi Feb 2016 #19
They Told Us She Won Iowa scottie55 Feb 2016 #20
Watch Rachel's show tonight. Hillary denies it. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #27
Thanks for the update, Johnny. Will be sure to watch Rachel. flpoljunkie Feb 2016 #59
It's not the mechanics, it's the car. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #29
^^ Bingo !! ^^ Myrina Feb 2016 #113
Channelling Ann Romney again she is. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #30
ONE Democrat Said? Gamecock Lefty Feb 2016 #32
"according to a half-dozen people with direct knowledge of the situation. " AlbertCat Feb 2016 #46
How about less "messaging" and more message? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #36
Instead of changing the staff, they might consider changing the candidate. pangaia Feb 2016 #38
Change of staff does not morph into changing my mind! Duval Feb 2016 #40
Maybe if she wouldn't liberalhistorian Feb 2016 #49
The problem is not with the campaign's messaging MissDeeds Feb 2016 #51
Aww, has they got a sad? Maybe not as sad as the 8 million families foreclosed on after he jtuck004 Feb 2016 #52
"The talk of shake-up echoes what happened in 2008...before her surprise (NH) win" rocktivity Feb 2016 #53
Changing the staff won't make a differnce, change the candidate! Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #55
i don't think hillary thought anyone DesertFlower Feb 2016 #56
Yep. The Annointed One was planning an uncontested coronation. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #69
Exactly !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #99
NEW AND IMPROVED THIRD WAY! NOW WITH COMPASSIONATE CORPORATISM! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #61
Perhaps another authenticity rollout, with more planned spontaneity? Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #68
The problem isn't her staff or strategy. earthside Feb 2016 #63
I think they need to keep her husband stumping for her Blus4u Feb 2016 #102
Yeah sorry, I'm just not 'feeling their pain'. n/t Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2016 #70
There will be blood!!! moondust Feb 2016 #73
Gee, the I'm just like Bernie, but Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #76
I agree she needs to make big changes. Gman Feb 2016 #78
I'm trying to figure out the timing of this--day before a primary. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #79
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #82
Millionaires Not Happy - Cry Me A River cantbeserious Feb 2016 #83
The dogs don't like the dog food XemaSab Feb 2016 #91
It's not her staff's fault. SusanLarson Feb 2016 #95
I think Hillary has still got the edge. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #97
There is only one thing worse than a die-hard RW Republican... islandmkl Feb 2016 #98
It's not the commercial.. peace13 Feb 2016 #101
Queen Victoria is not amused tularetom Feb 2016 #103
If the Clintons are not happy about their campaign ... Jarqui Feb 2016 #104
They have always been miserable. All that money and power and never happy. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #107
fire debbie wasserman schultz! DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #110
'The buck stops with you at the bottom.' 'Cut it out' nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #114
And Letting Clinton Know That We Are Not Happy Starts in NH, Today Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #115
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. They will cheer up after NH when they get win after win in the nore diverse states
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

South Carolina will be great for her. And Nevada. And super Tuesday. By Super Tuesdah she will have 3 states to his one. Yay!

Gore1FL

(22,951 posts)
22. Not so much as before. I suspect the performance in IA will continue to shake the polls, too.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:40 PM
Feb 2016

I doubt a victory in NH will hurt, either.

P.S. You should remove your gave-dancing gif. It's terribly unbecoming.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
23. Bad enough and no time to keep introducing himself.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:42 PM
Feb 2016

No! My gif stays until the gnat gifs leave. They stress me out. Heebeejeebies.

Gore1FL

(22,951 posts)
25. You want to be a miserable grave-dancer, it is your choice.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

But please don't expect people to consider you credible. Credibility is a thing grave-dancers do not have.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
44. Tell that to the people who harssed Trayvons mother.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

And John Lewis. And PP. and and and...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
50. Go tell the people who harassed Trayvons mother,
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:10 PM
Feb 2016

And PP, and John Lewis, and and and...

jfern

(5,204 posts)
54. Down only 11 points in the Field poll a month ago in California
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

Only Hawaii has fewer non Hispanic whites than California.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
100. Oh no you didn't just invite yourself to be slammed with call outs.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

Would that count as so many hides since you did a Bushie: "Bring it on"?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
58. And of course he's doing so poorly that
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:19 PM
Feb 2016

he's pulled even with her in nationwide polls.

Hillary's campaign is beginning to look very much like a rerun of eight years ago. I seem to think she had a major shake-up in her staff right about this point also.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
65. Delegates are what we count.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

He can beat her in the vote totals and lose by delegates. That's fine with me. But he won't.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
118. "Steiner's assault will bring it under control."
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016
That's what I'm reminded of, the comedy meme.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
16. I predicted that Sanders would poll poorly among blacks.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

He does. I predict no real change. Will happen. I predict he loses. My predictions are spot on. Pisses folks off to hear reality.

Gore1FL

(22,951 posts)
24. How do you know your predictions are spot on if the events you are prediciting haven't happened?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:42 PM
Feb 2016

It pisses off people when you claim the ability to time travel, perhaps.

You should probably remove your grave-dancing gif. It's horribly unbecoming.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
26. Because the polls bear this out as do anecdotal things and such
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

I hear the same complaings about his grassroots abd his message from a variety of sources. He actually LOST ground to Clinton with us recently. See? Losing ground is NOT GOOD. He should hire more diversity on his staff. Maybe they can tell him what he's failing to do.

Btw? He's angry. All the time. Bothers many that his anger at wall streets is unflagging while he is very pragmatic on race.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
39. Like the Regatta and the big events in stadiums.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

Boring. Or that awful 'america' ad where nobody looked like me and nothing looked like where I live and Garfunkle was suposed to be comforting. I felt erased from 'america'.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
43. Why are you talking about Bernie stuff in relation to a photo I posted of a Clinton rally? n/t
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. Can you find the anecdote in this picture?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016

How about "a couple hundred white people"? Or is that just a description?

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
48. Yep. Another all White Clinton rally. I think she has a problem relating to people of color.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:09 PM
Feb 2016

Maybe she doesn't feel comfortable around them as she admitted about LGBT?

It would certainly go to explain her horribly racist 2008 campaign. How they think she is going to get a pass on that now that Sanders has been established as electable, I can't imagine. They have to know that when the campaign gets to South Carolina the media is going to be plastered with racist soundbytes from her 2008 campaign.



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
108. That was a Clinton Rally??? Really???
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:20 PM
Feb 2016

I thought it was a Romney rally from 2008, except Romney drew bigger crowds.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
60. I'll take Bernie's "pragmatism" on race
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

to Hillary's blatant racist views any day. She's been nothing but condescending and hateful towards Black people since she was first lady, and just like you, she's hoping we don't pay attention to it.

Don't start counting those chickens yet...

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
62. Hell. Who hasn't been a crap bag on race?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

They all are failures otherwise white supremacy would be a memory. Nobody running has done anything of note to fix this system since I've been alive. Nothing.

 

sahel

(87 posts)
71. Not even Obama?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

Ouch. I am sorry the human race has been such an abject disappointment to you.

 

sahel

(87 posts)
86. What did he do?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

on race, I mean.

As good as I want? Nobody is. And never will be.


I thought as much.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
88. There is a list going around
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:34 PM
Feb 2016

The psychological effect on our children was better than all other presidents combined. We knew HE wouldn't 'put us back in chains!'

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
112. His DOJ ignored the problems with police killing innocent POC in the streets.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:06 AM
Feb 2016

The Prisons For Profits have made out greatly under his Admin. And don't forget the innocent POC in Pakistan that he is killing with drones (100 innocent people for every suspect).

What one single thing did he do for PoC?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
72. And that would include Obama for the last 7 years.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

With Holder and now Lynch as AG. And there is no one more able to do something about it than the Justice department.
Why is that? Are they racist too or just enablers?
And if Obama could do nothing why do you think Hillary can?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
74. They are better that all those before them but still not good enough.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:57 PM
Feb 2016

With Vermonts excessive black incarceration rate I wonder why nobody bully pulpited that state into fixing this decades long issue. Somebody who maybe lives there?

 

sahel

(87 posts)
84. You mean why didnt a senator from Vermont singlehandedly jawbone
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016

his state into jailing less black people? Beats me.

But it was probably the same reason that the junior senator from Illinois of that time wasn't also able to singlehandedly decrease his own state's excessive incarceration rate:-



What was his name again? I think it rhymed with "Obama"....

 

sahel

(87 posts)
90. and the last guy was a UNITER!!!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:38 PM
Feb 2016

he was going to sway the Republicans by sheer force of his will and charisma. What a steaming heap of cack that turned out to be.

Incidentally, isnt it amazing what happens when the winning horse might not be winning any more?



http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/05/former-n-a-a-c-p-president-endorses-bernie-sanders/?_r=0

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
87. Better than what?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

We have seen black people gunned down in the streets over the last 7 years and nothing has changed...and now you are telling us that if you elect a white woman who has been in politics all of her life that she will do something different.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
89. Better than.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

PRESIDENT VICE PRESIDENT
1. George Washington (1789-1797) John Adams (1789-1797)
2. John Adams (1797-1801) Thomas Jefferson (1797-1801)
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) Aaron Burr (1801-1805)
George Clinton (1805-1809)
4. James Madison (1809-1817) George Clinton (1809-1812)
None (1812-1813)
Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814)
None (1814-1817)
5. James Monroe (1817-1825) Daniel D. Tompkins (1817-1825)
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) John C. Calhoun (1825-1829)
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) John C. Calhoun (1829-1832)
None (1832-1833)
Martin Van Buren (1833-1837)
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) Richard M. Johnson (1837-1841)
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) John Tyler (1841)
10. John Tyler (1841-1845) None (1841-1845)
11. James K. Polk (1845-1849) George M. Dallas (1845-1849)
12. Zachary Taylor (1849-1850) Millard Fillmore (1849-1850)
13. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) None (1850-1853)
14. Franklin Pierce (1853-1857) William King (1853)
None (1853-1857)
15. James Buchanan (1857-1861) John C. Breckinridge (1857-1861)
16. Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865)
Andrew Johnson (1865)
17. Andrew Johnson (1865-1869) None (1865-1869)
18. Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877) Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873)
Henry Wilson (1873-1875)
None (1875-1877)
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881) William Wheeler (1877-1881)
20. James A. Garfield (1881) Chester Arthur (1881)
21. Chester Arthur (1881-1885) None (1881-1885)
22. Grover Cleveland (1885-1889) Thomas Hendricks (1885)
None (1885-1889)
23. Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893) Levi P. Morton (1889-1893)
24. Grover Cleveland (1893-1897) Adlai E. Stevenson (1893-1897)
25. William McKinley (1897-1901) Garret Hobart (1897-1899)
None (1899-1901)
Theodore Roosevelt (1901)
26. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) None (1901-1905)
Charles Fairbanks (1905-1909)
27. William Howard Taft (1909-1913) James S. Sherman (1909-1912)
None (1912-1913)
28. Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) Thomas R. Marshall (1913-1921)
29. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) Calvin Coolidge (1921-1923)
30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) None (1923-1925)
Charles Dawes (1925-1929)
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) Charles Curtis (1929-1933)
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) John Nance Garner (1933-1941)
Henry A. Wallace (1941-1945)
Harry S. Truman (1945)
33. Harry S Truman (1945-1953) None (1945-1949)
Alben Barkley (1949-1953)
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) Richard Nixon (1953-1961)
35. John F. Kennedy (1961-1963) Lyndon B. Johnson (1961-1963)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) None (1963-1965)
Hubert Humphrey (1965-1969)
37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974) Spiro Agnew (1969-1973)
None (1973)
Gerald Ford (1973-1974)
38. Gerald Ford (1974-1977) None (1974)
Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977)
39. Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) Walter Mondale (1977-1981)
40. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) George Bush (1981-1989)
41. George Bush (1989-1993) Dan Quayle (1989-1993)
42. Bill Clinton (1993-2001) Al Gore (1993-2001)
43. George W. Bush (2001-2009)

 

sahel

(87 posts)
92. So you have no real preference for Hillary?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

and no real suggestions for Sanders, other than purely stylistic suggestions such as that he hire more staff or convert to Christianity?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
93. I'm an atheist! Why would conversion be my thing? No.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:45 PM
Feb 2016

I am ambivalent. If Hillary wins, I get up early to vote in Nov. If Bernie wins, I'll try to make it to the polls if I have time. Might grab food first. Art gallery maybe. Hopefully I make it there the two blocks from my house in time. Might end up late. Hope not

 

sahel

(87 posts)
94. Some remark you made about Hillary "sharing their faith" or somesuch
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

But I digress.

I guess we cancel each other out then. If Hillary wins, I will probably get drunk and roam the streets shouting at people until two minutes before the polling booth closes. I'll try and get there in time mind you, but I'm not promising anything.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
96. Glad we see eye to eye.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

Oh. That was about a church. Of course she shares their faith. She loves her some church.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
77. LBJ "fixed" the race problem by passing the Voting Rights Act.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:07 PM
Feb 2016

That the US has witnessed 7 years of vicious, openly racist attacks on Obama 50 years after the VRA passed shows how well the law has "fixed" the problem. The problem is not with the law, it is with the people who cannot accept and who do not believe that blacks are really equal. In my view.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
105. Nicely stated.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:34 PM
Feb 2016

Shame and self realization. Perhaps supremacy is addictive? The first step in fighting addiction is to admit that the addiction exists.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
117. That's true
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:45 AM
Feb 2016

and I think there's only so much that a president alone can really do about it. Sad, but true.

ejbr

(5,892 posts)
2. Someone
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

should tell them to spend some time in the DU Hillary group. It's always good news there!

GoneOffShore

(18,021 posts)
57. Ah, do you mean Camp Weathervane
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

Where the sun is always shining and the moon is always full, and there's a gentle warm breeze?

And everyone has 250k/year jobs?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
116. Their theme song is "Home On The Range"
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:35 AM
Feb 2016

"Where seldom is heard a discouraging word. And the skies are not cloudy all day."

That is life in Camp Weathervane/Bansalot.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
6. Bill Maher is right.....
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:06 PM
Feb 2016

2008 we ran her against a black man with a Muslim name, this year against a 73 year old Jewish self described socialist.....not sure what more they expect....time for introspection

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
18. And all she has to do is one very simple thing - Confess up that she has
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

been a total jerk -

One: that she understands that the money that enabled her and Bill to garner some 189 millions of dollars since leaving the WH was due to a precious little quid pro quo and that it was wrong.

Two: then give the money away to people who were made homeless by the Elite's continual manipulation of the economy. (12 million homelss people splitting up the 189 million won't be all that much to each of them, but it would eb soemthing.

Of course, she would never get past point One. It is not in the nature of either Clinton to tell the truth.
Bill and his "I did not have sex with that woman" and Hillary with her "they offered the money - what could I do but take it?" -- those remarks both show how morally flawed they are.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
42. Boo hoo!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:05 PM
Feb 2016

What out! I got banned from the Hillary cave way back in the summer for this.... and I didn't even mention Hillary (because it was a MILD RIBBING on the supporters there....who have no sense of humor apparently)

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
81. I got banned after one post, AlbertCat...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

I can't recall if it was mild ribbing, or just an honest question.

If they see Bernie Sanders supporters as evil incarnate, then I wonder what they think of voters in general? All we ever wanted was a fair shake for us and generations to come. The fact that THE POSITIVE ENERGY OF BERNIE SANDERS came along to awaken our spirits should say something.

Take home message for the Clintons: Treat the rest of the American citizens like you like them, and you'll stop getting mad and start getting a soul.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
27. Watch Rachel's show tonight. Hillary denies it.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:47 PM
Feb 2016

Somebody isn't being honest about this.




I wonder who.












Myrina

(12,296 posts)
113. ^^ Bingo !! ^^
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:26 AM
Feb 2016

Blaming her campaign team for not making her more believable and likeable is misplaced anger.
She needs to do some serious navel gazing.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. Channelling Ann Romney again she is.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

"We are displeased".
Blaming the staff for her own tone-deafness, flip-flopping, and self-inflicted drama is just so Clintonesque. And she expects us to vote for 4 years of that crap? No thanks. This is not the 90s. We know who you serve, and it ain't us.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
46. "according to a half-dozen people with direct knowledge of the situation. "
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:07 PM
Feb 2016

Try getting past the headline next time.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
40. Change of staff does not morph into changing my mind!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

Awww, the Clintons are not happy? Tough darts.

liberalhistorian

(20,905 posts)
49. Maybe if she wouldn't
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:10 PM
Feb 2016

send out forty emails a day bemoaning that she's being outraised and how dare anyone not vote for her greatness and the greatness it could bestow on this ungrateful nation and how entitled she is, after all, to the crown, and practically demanding more and more and more and more and more and more money and donations, she wouldn't have as much of a fucking problem. Her attitude of utter entitlement to the nomination is beyond infuriating, as it was in '08, and it's obvious she's learned nothing. For every email I get from her, I'm giving one dollar to Sanders. If everyone did that, he'd have no problem fundraising for the rest of the campaign season.

It's funny, isn't it, that Hillary has PACs and deep-pocketed donors, but is still being outraised by Sanders, who only relies on us "little people" for his funding. I'm done with her, her entitled attitude, and her relentless demanding emails.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
51. The problem is not with the campaign's messaging
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

It's with the candidate. The voters didn't want her then, and it's looking like they don't want her now. That's on her, not the campaign.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
52. Aww, has they got a sad? Maybe not as sad as the 8 million families foreclosed on after he
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

got rid of Glass-Steagall. Those folks are in the streets, lost everything they had, spent their retirement just trying to wait out the economy that lying politicians told them would be back for them. You have over a hundred million dollar, those people can't even feed their kids. Made it ok to look down on black folks who need some relief, and put tens of thousands more in prison.


...
The explosion of the prison system under Bill Clinton’s version of the “War on Drugs” is impossible to dispute. The total prison population rose by 673,000 people under Clinton’s tenure — or by 235,000 more than it did under President Ronald Reagan, according to a study by the Justice Policy Institute. “Under President Bill Clinton, the number of prisoners under federal jurisdiction doubled, and grew more than it did under the previous 12-years of Republican rule,combined,” states the JPI report (italics theirs). The federal incarceration rate in 1999, the last year of the Democrat’s term, was 42 per 100,000 — more than double the federal incarceration rate at the end of President Reagan’s term (17 per 100,000), and 61 percent higher than at the end of President George Bush’s term (25 per 100,000), according to JPI.
...


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/clinton-dynasty-horrific-legacy-more-drug-war-more-prisons

Too bad you couldn't help the economy of working people as much as you helped your friends who make money from the industrial prison system. Or your bank$ter/jihadist friends.

Nothing has changed: Bill Clinton on Obama: 'A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Carrying Our Bags' < I guess we shouldn't expect more, eh?

I so don't give a damn what any Clinton says, and,frankly, the sooner I no longer see the names Bush or Clinton in my news the better.

rocktivity

(45,006 posts)
53. "The talk of shake-up echoes what happened in 2008...before her surprise (NH) win"
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

A margin of victory so small that both she and Obama ended up with the same number of delegates. Talk about being doomed to repeat your own history!


rocktivity

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
56. i don't think hillary thought anyone
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:18 PM
Feb 2016

would challenge her and even if they did wouldn't have a chance.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
69. Yep. The Annointed One was planning an uncontested coronation.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:42 PM
Feb 2016

Forgetting that a few million voters had yet to speak.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
99. Exactly !!!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016


She thought she would scare away the competition... and she did.

Until Bernie Sanders stood up.


 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
61. NEW AND IMPROVED THIRD WAY! NOW WITH COMPASSIONATE CORPORATISM!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

They just need to rebrand that old 1990s new coke, and they'll find a few gullible saps that will buy it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
68. Perhaps another authenticity rollout, with more planned spontaneity?
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

I've got it, just keep saying "berniebros" when asked about wall st. Or the iraq war.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
63. The problem isn't her staff or strategy.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 06:29 PM
Feb 2016

It is Hillary Clinton.

Not even the slickest marketing can turn an insider, establishment, multi-millionaire politician into an economic and social populist.

So, of course, the Clintons aren't happy. The Democrats were all supposed to fall in line ... but just as in 2008, the real Hillary is obvious to all who want to see.

Too bad.

Blus4u

(608 posts)
102. I think they need to keep her husband stumping for her
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

and behind the podium. He's doing wonders for her. 😂

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
76. Gee, the I'm just like Bernie, but
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:02 PM
Feb 2016

we can't do anything he wants platform isn't working?

Who woulda thunk it.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
79. I'm trying to figure out the timing of this--day before a primary.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:19 PM
Feb 2016

Is this meant to reassure her stalwarts and convince undecideds in NH? Or is it an attempt to start the comeback kid narrative early?

 

SusanLarson

(284 posts)
95. It's not her staff's fault.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 07:57 PM
Feb 2016

You simply can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Please note...


For the Hillary supporters this is not disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. It is a proverb dating back to the 1500's

dictionary.reference.com/browse/can-t-make-a-silk-purse-out-of-a-sow-s-ear

Be unable to turn something ugly or inferior into something attractive or of value, as in No matter how expensive his clothes, he still looks sloppy—you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This expression was already a proverb in the mid-1500s.

For the record my use applies to inferior and is only applicable to Hillary Clinton based on her positions as a candidate only; and not to her, her gender, or any other aspect of her personally.



It's quite sad that you have to put a disclaimer longer than your post to keep someone from being able to use the jury system as an offensive weapon to silence you and surpress your opinions.
 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
97. I think Hillary has still got the edge.
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

However it seems like the more she contrasts herself with Sanders the better he does.

I also think from the emails and stuff that Hillary seems to be sort of like royalty and has people serving her and maybe they are not entirely conscious of what people are going thru out there.

In my mind she runs too far to the left in some ways but then too far to the right in other ways.

For instance, the people I know, they are not so concerned with banning guns, or women's issues but they are really concerned with economic issues.

She might have some traction on foreign policy issues and combatting terror, and Sanders isn't really hyperfocused on those issues.
But the fact she was so timid as SOS and didn't really maker her mark like Kerry or even Albright who is campaigning for her undercuts that.

She could come even further Sanders way economically, but then all the speeches for Wall Street sort of under cut that. Why the *(&^^ did she do that if she was going to run for president? I mean didn't she see what Obama did to Romney over his speeches to the rich?

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
98. There is only one thing worse than a die-hard RW Republican...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

and that's a Republican who masquerades as a Democrat....

too much poor history, too much Third Way, too much Status Quo...

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
103. Queen Victoria is not amused
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Feb 2016

No staff in the world can cover up the fact that Hillary Clinton is a terrible candidate who lacks the maturity and judgment required to be president.

Especially when that staff is hired precisely to tell her what she wanted to hear, rather than the truth.

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
104. If the Clintons are not happy about their campaign ...
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 10:28 PM
Feb 2016

... then the Sanders campaign is likely rather happy with their campaign.

DonCoquixote

(13,961 posts)
110. fire debbie wasserman schultz!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

she ruined your last run, and she is doing the same exact thing. That woman will be smoking 100 dollar cigars with her friend, president Marco Rubio!

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