2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYes, Bernie is taking over the Party
And, Yes, it will become a much more leftist party which improves upon and strengthens the socialism on which this country thrives.
The party's powers that be, are quite disturbed, and are becoming increasingly upset with the Bernie supporters who have little regard for them and the elites' corrupt ways.
It is a new day for the Democratic Party, and soon to be seen in the results from the New Hampshire break out. The Iowa results, where Bernie came from 50 points down, was quite alarming to the elites and they see what's coming.
They are truly Feeling the Bern!
ladjf
(17,320 posts)we would be MOST fortunate if Bernie were to become the philosophical leader of the Democratic Party.
Let the Sanders tide surge on!
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Just saying socialism is not what Bernie is or what we are as a nation. We have the freedom to decide who controls the means of production and in what areas. It's harder to place a communistic innuendo around the term socialism when you put democratic in front of it. Democratic Socialism is the only form of government which both ensures our freedom AND our survival by coming together to make sure the things we all need to survive are not controlled by one or two greedy oligarchs (like water). We decide, We vote, We join together to ensure our tranquility and our general welfare.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)which is the real fight within the Democratic Party - the fight between Corporate Socialism and Democratic Socialism.
Let Sanders put the train back on it's proper tracks.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)The print media is POUNDING OUT the anti-Bernie diatribes ... The editorial hit pieces ... The preplanned statements by acolytes who apparently have some debt to pay ....
The whole bunch of them are stepping up their attacks, but, I do believe it's too little and too late ... Nobody is listening to them anyhow ...
Get used to that ...
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)matter, but result in his killing it in fund raising.
They slime him, he gets $3 million for average citizens.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)It's time to take the party away from the Koch Bros and Wall Street.
Those assholes can go back to the republicans party and straighten THAT out
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)And a mule!!!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Espousing tired Republican economic policy? Sorry, some tents are too big.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)I'll leave it at that since I don't even want to repeat the idiocy.
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RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And the thought of it is quite pleasing, eh?
Bernie as the president will take charge of the party as much as one person can. Of course it is the People who will tell the tale in the long run, because the People are the party.
All our best leftist leaders have been ... well ... somehow or another, removed. The lack of leftist leaders has left a vacuum which we imagined Obama was going to fill. The People did respond, did they not?
Truly, now, in Bernie, we have a left leader than we can rally around and get on with the business of creating a more perfect union. Sell not short the idea that we need a leader, just remember that a leader is nothing without a following,
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padfun
(1,786 posts)First they ignore you
then the laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win.
We have just left the laugh part and am now fully in the fight part.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The great part is that already our numbers are overwhelming. I have never, in my 30 some odd years of activism, seen such an explosion. A pent up demand is being given a way up and out.
Bernie, as a leader and being the Real Deal, is the catalyst that the future has been searching for. It is good to be alive these days and seeing this in real time.
And welcome to DU, padfun.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The best way to win that is huge turnout.
They do own the voting machines ... the machines are not publicly owned, they are owned by corporations.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Please, don't jump the gun too soon. Yes, he will win NH. Let's see where the race is after Super Tuesday. It's too soon for either side to crow.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
Bernie has already transformed the Party. The things he is addressing will not go back in the box and be mollified by incremental lip service half measures.
It's not about personalities. It's about policy and he's put us at the table with a discussion of issues that would never have happened without him.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She has "evolved" on a lot of issues since Bernie started closing the gap in the polls.
Somebody who didn't know her would easily mistake her for a Democrat today.
Of course, those are all "promises" that will disappear on Day One if she ever makes it to the Oval Office.
DaveT
(687 posts)We have a contest. And winning a primary or a caucus is good for one side and bad for the other -- but no one State is going to decide this primary election.
I have to note that I have seen a whole lot of crowing about polls on this site for the last six months, and I know I got laughed at repeatedly when I would try to ask such crowers to get real about polling months before the voting. My very favorite example is one happy soul who offered to bet their life on Hillary's ultimate victory.
Whew. I don't know if I'd invoke the Faust story for my side of anything -- but, hell, it is just politics.
I also concede that a lot of Bernie supporters can be that way, too. Assuming the polling from New Hampshire holds up, my side will get to have the fun of winning something -- and there will probably be some crowing. Not cool in my book.
Of all the ways for us to mix it up about our different candidates, I have to say crowing in either direction is pretty damned dumb.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)After all, from the very first, we early Bernie supporters were denigrated, told there was no chance, that we were hurting the party... on and on and on.
We did not get here by being shrinking violets. We got here by crowing that Bernie can and would, and that someone like Bernie was just what the doctor ordered for an ill-democracy.
Really, we fought crowing with crowing. And here we are, still, and about to be fledged and begin a wonderful flight.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They are probably very annoyed. They have not even hatched! I wish folks would leave them be.
elmac
(4,642 posts)and even though 100's of millions of dollars have been spent by the GOP & DNC billionaires there is no known cure. Now everyone has caught the bug, its one of the largest outbreaks in history. It will take a political revolution for it to run its course.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
grow the party and help us win elections more than we have in years.
People want this. The population is always more progressive than the WH or Congress in poll after poll.
Go Bernie!
Cary
(11,746 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress
Something we need to keep an eye on. Something to nurture and feed.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)The senate most likely will be D in 2017, and then we work to get the house. I think if we win 30 house seats we'll have a majority?
I sure will be telling my elected officials they should hitch their wagon to the Berning star!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)What do I know?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Our problem is the heads of the party, like Bernie says, respond to those with money. Time that changes, eh?
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)The avalanche is soon to start.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Everything. And all for the good of humanity, and the middle and lower class. Forever!!!
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)swift kick in the ass and Bernie's doing it! Go Bernie!!!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Better than comedy chnl. This is so fun, guys.
I wish snacks came out of my ipad. I could read all day this funny stuff. Love it!
Quayblue
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Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I'm not feeling too well today, and you are cracking me up!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I love helping people feel better.
And we can watch folks rant about Hillary like they were married to her and she left them and took the house.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)differences with her and are pissed off about it, so as a rule I avoid the more pot stirring posts, but I'm getting a little cranky that GDP becomes Invective Underground on steroids on primary day. If I can't find information, I'll settle for humor.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Invective...
Yeah. Me too. I am usually cracking up when I post because if not: TEARS OF SHAME.
Is this how we act now? Damn the internet!!! We shoulda killed it when we had the chance.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)turns up as the first result on Google when I search for Democratic message boards. So any new voters, looking to find people to talk to about the election come here. And this is what they get.... Invective is the proper word for sure. Steal away!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)People probably look and say oh hell no. No.
Uncle Joe
(58,361 posts)Thanks for the thread, RobertEarl.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)with the 99 percent....What's not to love, he certainly doesn't give paid speeches while yucking it up with Goldman Sachs like some Democratic politicians that we know.....
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Recommended.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)He is absolutely right with what he says.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)And by that primarily I mean to turn the Democratic Party into something WORTH supporting.
Instead of supporting just because the "opposition" is that much worse.
The Nixon/Reagan trajectory is over.
It's time for a new paradigm.
On FIRE for BERNIE!!
John Lucas
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It does seem they have been directing the Party to the right of center and trying hard to keep the left subdued. And that is why Bernie is such a shock; they thought they had it all under control.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)When their prized, favored candidate bites the dust ?
Who chooses party leadership?
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)The Turd Way is that way, out the door to the right. Just follow the red arrow on the Big H.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Kids are in jail for a marijuana cigarette but bankers who have ruined others' lives walk around free.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Sad how much fascism has crept into our party
Lorien
(31,935 posts)the lifeblood out of America and the death of the Fairness Doctrine gave rise to far rightwing 24/7 propaganda. it's been a long time coming!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)... rather than any one individual.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)change the Democratic Party and the nation. It's now or never. Eight years of a Republican-Lite or Republicans in the White House will destroy the country and children' futures.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)a distinction lost on many who do not know what that means.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)doesn't look too promising for Bernie.
hueymahl
(2,496 posts)Most the Dems there are basically conservative. That said, I expect Bernie to outperform what the (very limited) polling shows.
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)doesn't mean we don't care about the little people. Just remember if you don't vote for us then you'll end up with Rump. Why does everyone hate the DLC Third Way? They're Democrats too aren't they?
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Personally I think it's dumb to not take the money until the game is changed. I post this because it's lame to attack Hillary for taking the money.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-money-democratic-rivals.html
DFW
(54,378 posts)Our current system makes soliciting money an integral part of winning and holding office. That is just perverse, and I don't care how S.O.P or entrenched it is. We need publicly financed elections, period. Sanders' refusal to form a Super-PAC is laudable, and a shining example, but it also means that my email box is cluttered with requests from his campaign (as well as others) for donations. It shouldn't be that way.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Here are some excerpts...
Nader: "I think the most important thing coming out of this is Bernie Sanderss average contribution is between $27 and $30 per person, and hes raising enormously more money than he or anyone else expected, including Hillary Clinton. She didnt expect that. So thats a very refreshing thing. He doesnt go to fat cat parties in Beverly Hills or Park Avenue. He refuses."
Nader: "I think theyre looking for someone whos on their side, someone who is going to challenge Wall Streets control over Washington, someone whos going to challenge these job-destroying trade agreements, someone who is going to change the tax system so they dont pay more than they have to and the big rich and global corporations pay more."
Tavis: "What do you make of the fact that this year there seems to have been an accident, quite frankly, a collision on the establishment highway and that these outsiders are having the kind of impact theyre having this year?"
Nader: "I think that probably surprised everyone. I dont think anybody thought Jeb Bush was going to be so low in the polls and maybe on his way out in another couple of weeks. But it does reflect the lack of respect that the voters have for those people who are running our government or running it into the ground or running it on behalf of Wall Street against Main Street.
You know, theres a kind of grapevine that operates through millions of peoples minds and sometimes it coalesces into a kind of rejection of traditional politics. But the problem is, the outliers are pretty traditional too, except for the clean, honest, progressive campaign of Bernie Sanders..."
Tavis: "What should Bernie Sanders say as he continues to get asked whether or not he can win, whether or not his agenda is so liberal, so progressive, so socialist, that the American public wont go for it?"
Nader: "Nonsense. Just poll it. Hell get a lot of left-right support for a lot of things like full Medicare for all, like living wage. Conservative workers at Wal-Mart dont want a living wage?
But when you hear Hillary Clinton talk about her experience and expertise in foreign affairs, that means more war, more empire. Shes a hawk.
When you hear her talk about how shes going to be pragmatic at home, thats another code word for allowing the concentration of power to continue in the hands of the few, Wall Street over Washington, the same Wall Street that paid her $5,000 a minute to give speeches in closed-door conventions around the country, which she has refused to disclose.
What did she say to these closed-door conventions noted briefly in The New York Times a while back? What did she say in closed-door where there was no press and they were paying her $5,000 a minute? Why doesnt the press ask that question? Disclose it, Hillary."
(Well, Chuck Todd finally asked that question.)
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/consumer-advocate-author-ralph-nader/
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and away from the Conservatives
dpatbrown
(368 posts)Many, many of us here, have waited along time for an election like this. Sanders is NOT the better of two evils. He's the real deal.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And the early returns from NH show Bernie with a 28% lead.
I can't wait until I finally have the chance to actually vote for Bernie.
I have a paper ballot here and you can be sure I will sign it.