2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFEELING THE YERN: WHY ONE MILLENNIAL WOMAN WOULD RATHER GO TO HELL THAN VOTE FOR HILLARY
The economy is rigged.
Democracy is corrupted.
The billionaires are on the warpath.
The spectacle of our government's being bought is so obvious, even the youngest among us can see it. "With Hillary," eighteen-year-old Olivia Sauder told Times reporters at the Iowa Caucus, "sometimes you get this feeling that all of her sentences are owned by someone."
Ding, ding, ding.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/feeling-the-yern-why-one-millennial-woman-would-rather-go-to-hell-than-vote-for-hillary-8253224
stellanoir
(14,881 posts)well crafted & thoroughly fun articles I've read in eons.
Have tremendous faith in the millennial generation.
She affirms it in spades.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)hurt them with his welfare reform (gut), why aren't women making the same pay for equal work, why is childcare so damn expensive, why are single moms working low wage jobs & still can't afford healthcare?
She's been in DC for 25 years & her power has never been more evident.
Why didn't she use that power for good?
What has she done for women to make her our so-called champion?
ccinamon
(1,696 posts)I've even searched thru her list of "accomplishments" and couldn't find answers to them. The closest I've found to an answer: she gives speeches about the problem, speeches about what should be done.
But ACTUAL actions by Clinton to help women and children are rare...if my memory is correct, she even missed a few votes while in the Senate that were on helping women/children.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)for our rights she was not well known at all. I do remember Gloria Steinem but apparently she has forgotten what we fought for. But Hillary? She supported Bill in a lot of things we now know hurt us instead of helped us.
I do not remember a thing she ever did for my family.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)influence they seem to become the people they fought against before they moved into the upper class. I tend to trust people who have been in the upper class for multiple generations more that I trust the new money people.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It really is that simple. The interests of the 1% are the only goal of the Clinton machine. Everything else is just for campaign speeches.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)why did she help destroy so many of their lives in Libya, then gloat "Mission Accomplished!"-style on TV about it?
Arazi
(6,829 posts)with their sexist and derogatory comments
earthside
(6,960 posts)This is an excellent article and I encourage people to go to the link and read the whole thing.
FEELING THE YERN: WHY ONE MILLENNIAL WOMAN WOULD RATHER GO TO HELL THAN VOTE FOR HILLARY
The desperation of the Clinton campaign is evident in its resort to sexism before the first votes were even cast in New Hampshire.
And because of the clumsiness and ham-handedness of Sec. Albright and Gloria Steinem, the appeal is turning into a political disaster.
I don't think the Hillary campaign or the Hillarians yet comprehend how bad this "special place in hell" line is going to be for them.
As a political observer and activist for nearly 50 years, I had been thinking up to now that this Sanders-Clinton battle would go on for awhile, I am now not so sure. The way Hillary's political baggage is being revealed is making her burden even more ponderous than I had imagined -- and most of it is self-inflicted, i.e., the "artful smear" phrase has caused more attention to be focused on her brazen grubbing of bankster money.
Hillary is and has made her own political hell ... pun intended: I think her campaign is going to 'bern' up and be reduced to ashes sooner rather than later.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)With backlash growing, Ms. Steinem issued a retraction on Sunday morning.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/08/us/politics/gloria-steinem-madeleine-albright-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)running and insert anyone else with her same affiliations with WS, with hawking
for wars etc..Sanders would be doing just as well. I don't know if establishment
gets that about her. The threat, Warren, agreed not to run..despite how the
people kept pleading for her to do so..the DNC itself is corrupt, the Clinton
money machine spreads their influence around and they may have made a fatal
mistake this time narrowing her competition.
"sometimes you get this feeling that all of her sentences are owned by someone."
I still hear confusion by others as to their understanding of what this revolt is about,
some believe its about free stuff, they could not be more wrong. When we hear a presidential
candidate say out loud, I TAKE WS MONEY BUT IT MEANS NOTHING SIGNIFICANT
and expects to be trusted..well, I guess you can say that just may not work
anymore. Either that, or you'd need to be quite the cynic to accept that EVERYBODY
does it..even though Bernie does not fit that description.
Great OP, thank you and the title cracked me up...funny as hell.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)K/R, good buddy
speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)is so loaded with student loan debt that it will be living in Mom & Dad's basement into its 40s. It doesn't like big banks or the politicians who prop them up, and it is harder to fool than generations past.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)And it pisses the establishment off - big time.
If I am alarmed, it is by the profound languor of the comfortable. What fresh hell must we find ourselves in before those who've appointed themselves to lead our thoughts admit that we are in flames? As I see it, to counsel realism when the reality is fucked is to counsel an adherence to fuckery. Under conditions as distressing as these, acquiescence is absurd. When your nation gets classified as a Class D structure fire, I believe the only wise course is to lose your shit.
The reason Wall Street is dropping zillions of quarters into Hillary's Super PAC-Man machine isn't because it wants change it's because Wall Street sees revenue in her promises of keeping things much the same.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)applauds you! I have two millennial grandchildren who have jumped on the band wagon for Bernie. Sure, I've been a political activist for their entire life and have prodded them to pay attention and to understand they should never think politics doesn't influence almost everything in their life. They both have college loans dragging them down and still live at home. I'm thankful that they live 5 minutes away and am able to have their input.
I've listened to their comments and have already told them that if I HAVE to vote for Hillary just because of the Supreme Court situation, I'm leaving the Democratic Party and becoming an Independent after that. Since I live in Florida and we're a closed Primary state, I have to remain a Democrat for now. Should Bernie win I will stay. But I do have to say that regardless if he does or does not win, he's ALREADY changed the game. There are many people who now believe they CAN go up against Goliath and take on a current elected official. Or are willing to try when once they felt they couldn't because they just didn't have the money to do so. Here in Florida it's already happening... DWS has finally gotten a person to Primary her. She's never had an opponent and now TIM CANOVA is running against her and people are excited. DWS has always been a DLC/THIRD WAY Democrat and hob nobs with the other side a lot. So many here are really pulling for him.
Ronald Reagan said a long time ago, I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me. That's about the only thing I think I wholeheartedly agree with, but even he wasn't anything like what we see on the other side.
AND we need to get RID of closed Primary states laws. It's disgusting!
Thank you for speaking out so clearly and intelligently.
ccinamon
(1,696 posts)I think this is my favorite part,,,,,snip: The reason Wall Street is dropping zillions of quarters into Hillary's Super PAC-Man machine isn't because it wants change it's because Wall Street sees revenue in her promises of keeping things much the same. Under Hillary, our prisons will continue to punish for profit. Our schools will continue to be sold off to private contractors. And despite 87 percent of Democrats standing behind universal health care, Hillary insists it will "never, ever come to pass." Not from her, I guess, since she's taken over $13 million from the health care industry.
We really can't, America, says Hillary. Nope. Not ever. We are a powerful nation, kids, but one run by the Great Market God. Leave your moral gag reflex at the door. Close that pesky Overton window, won't you? And be a doll and bolt those tables to the floor. You'll love the moneylenders, dear. I do. Hell, my daughter married one! (/snip)
It bothers me greatly that 50% of democrats nationwide, can't see/refuse to see how selfish, self-centered, and owned by Wall Street Hillary is. Her vote, her opinions, her beliefs are determined by who pays her the most money. The money hasn't caused her to "change her vote", the money just cemented her opinion/thoughts in the way the payee wants BEFORE she votes/speaks!!!!
Based on what she has done / not done and said / not said, I can totally see her wanting to get Justices on the Supreme Court and finding the ones that are BARELY liberal/progressive, but conservative enough to pass confirmation,,,because she wouldn't want her legacy to be "the only President that couldn't get a justice confirmed"....hell, wouldn't put it past her to nominate 2 conservative ones first with the "promise" of getting a "more liberal" confirmed later.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Great piece! Thanks for posting it, LWolf!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
LWolf
(46,179 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)randr
(12,409 posts)However; If the election comes down to a choice between Hillary and any of the current Republican candidates, not voting for Hillary condemns the whole of humanity to that "special place in Hell".
The lesser of two evils is none the less--lesser.
Given the nature of the Fright wing's offerings, we have never been more threatened as a free people or a species.
I, for one will, be behind whoever gets the call to oppose the madness of these freaks and if they win the whole world will suffer the choices of those who could have made a difference.
Millennials are right to think their situation is dire, it is equally dire for all of humanity.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)candidate - which is more likely than not - and the OP millennial does not vote for her, she may very well get her wish sooner than later.
Vote for Bernie, fine! No problem. But do it without the gratuitous slurs, please. Those I have a problem with.
This non-millennial will support Bernie in the GE - IF he gets there - because this non-millennial realizes what is at stake for EVERYONE.
Some millennials will very likely look back on what they are saying now and come to regret it very much if and when they actually gain some wisdom and experience.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And I don't think they even realize we have been at war forever because the RW took over the media- and a majority of voters -a generation ago.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)Are you listening, Hillary?
bbmykel
(282 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)geardaddy
(24,926 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and she is a helluva writer! Hoping to hear more from that one!
K&R
GoneOffShore
(17,336 posts)with discussing why this doesn't matter and besides Bernie has no diversity.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I've been at work all day.
I just got home in time to hear that we won NH.
Reading this before I left this morning, coming home to a win...I'm pleased.
Some can knock this all they like. It really won't tarnish a damned good piece of writing and some strong points.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)from where it sits now-has the capacity to represent me, or my values."
Yes.
people
(622 posts)That's some of the best snappiest writing I've read in a lonnnnnnnnnng while.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)Oh man, am I ever getting visualizations now . . . you have writing talent, lady.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and that was from the tea party. so one only assumes Hillary (she's the one that clapped and laughed) is Tea Party.
Uncle Joe
(58,282 posts)Thanks for the thread, LWolf.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)They have been ravaging us for some 40 years. Enough. We out number them 99 to one. She is right. The Dem party has been clawing its way up the ass of the billionaires since Carter was cheated out of his presidency. Since Reagan made illegal arms deals. The people are ready to come together. Leave behind the fox news bots, the bigots ,leave the evangelical terrorists behind. Let the ugly Americans scream all the like. We are the majority. All we have to do is show up and vote. .......hopefully.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)That's about 594,962 to 1.
TeamPooka
(24,205 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)'tis fine.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Good piece!
Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)I am so loving what I am reading here, in the comments. Such kindred spirits. I have been feeling something in the air over the last two years, there is a storm coming and we know not where it is going, but there is a heart-pounding feeling that hope for a better and more equitable world is in the birthing process. Bernie speaks to me. Living in Upstate NY, I have know of him for some time. Consistency. Truthiness. Genuine. not a bystander to bigotry. Bernie speaks to this dirty old hippie. Someone I can truly believe in. Oh, yes, feeeeeeeeling the Bern.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Well worth the read.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)FTR, when people use hyperbole to try and make a point, I choose to respond in kind.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Ouch.
.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)If anything concerns me at this pivotal moment, it's not the revolutionary tremors of the youth. Given the Great American Trash Fire we have inherited, this rebellion strikes me as exceedingly reasonable. Pick a crisis, America: Child poverty? Inexcusable. Medical debt? Immoral. For-profit prison? Medieval. Climate change? Apocalyptic. The Middle East is our Vietnam. Flint, the canary in our coal mine. Tamir Rice, our martyred saint. This place is a mess. We're due for a hard rain.
If I am alarmed, it is by the profound languor of the comfortable. What fresh hell must we find ourselves in before those who've appointed themselves to lead our thoughts admit that we are in flames? As I see it, to counsel realism when the reality is fucked is to counsel an adherence to fuckery. Under conditions as distressing as these, acquiescence is absurd. When your nation gets classified as a Class D structure fire, I believe the only wise course is to lose your shit.
Again....wow! Just..........wow!!!!
SDjack
(1,448 posts)which they compete by complaining who has paid the highest amount of tax and the highest tax rate.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)And I agree with her completely!