2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe reason why young people support Bernie is because they are not paying the bills in this country
The adults who are paying the bills prefer Hillary.
Guess why?
Would they still support him if he tells them: oh I'm counting on you to fund free college (not for you but for your younger brothers and sisters) and free health care (for your parents)!!!
When I was young and asked my parents for something, they would say "when you pay the bills you can have it".
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JudyM
(29,785 posts)Didn't realize it was that simple.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Do they really think this helps her?! It's sad to watch.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)JudyM
(29,785 posts)
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... and actually incite people to vote in droves for Bernie Sanders. What wonderful karma that would be.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
Nothing like pissing off several thousand activist Democrats across the country.
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Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
She travels between a few schools.
She's on track to graduate with a double major in three years: Poli-Sci, History, and English minor.
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Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Mitt, I mean the Opening Poster, must be proud of themselves, eh?
Fearless
(18,458 posts)She's in good hands.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)"Is that the best you got?" That our young people are uninformed, hormone-driven and selfish? Really?
Or might it be that they've escaped the stranglehold of corporate media and so think more broadly and more independently...
floriduck
(2,262 posts)with a 6 figure debt over their heads. But Hill2016 is one of those "I got mine. But you can't have it." That's when Dems cross the line into conservativille.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)from Republicans. They are only ones doing the work and everyone is freeloading off them.
JudyM
(29,785 posts) Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)I saw one preaching "personal responsibility" the other day.
...those dumb kids and their futures...right?
As an adult, paying several bills, some of which aren't even mine, this is disgusting.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and women?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I think the op got lost, so many right wing talking points, no way that's a coincidence.
It's also telling to see who recs this garbage.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)goldmines of useful info...
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)farleftlib
(2,125 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just like her supporters she thinks free tuition, single payer health care and expecting the 1% to pay their fair share are "ponies, unicorns and rainbows".
fleur-de-lisa
(14,704 posts)
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)you know, some total fabrication, like "Berniebros."
Hillagrumps?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So let's go with that.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)eom
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Its that simple.
cali
(114,904 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... and let the waves of angry millenials come out in droves to vote for Bernie.
Karmic justice.
OP was absolute shit, with sincere apologies to shit.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)free republic is the forum dedicated to right wing talking points
have a great day!
Arazi
(8,887 posts)
CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Ignorant repubs say that.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)You'll vote for whomever I say.
Honestly, I see more and more things (not specifically yours) that remind me of how my parents talked to me.
I hope you're not offended, my intent is not to mock you
bobalew
(439 posts)With Wall Street being a casino, and the House always wins, when do we all get to do that? (& I am a BOOMER)...
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts) EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)she doesn't promise free stuff like Bernie does?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Do you think we're witnessing an imploding campaign's death-spiral?
The out-of-touch-ness is becoming exponentially worse, with every
desperate baseless attack that they roll out, only to fall flat with an
audible "Thud"?
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)He's demanding a fair share of the pie. And if you think tuition-free school is just "free stuff," then we'll need to have several sessions on how to teach you logic.
The lessons will be on me, because you definitely need them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Take that shit elsewhere.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Should not be publicly funded. 
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Quit repeating that RW lie.
kath
(10,565 posts)spinning at so many million rpms that you'll have dug down to China by morning.
djean111
(14,255 posts)And pay with their lives if a hawk is elected president.
And pay with their jobs if/when the TPP and TPIP are signed into law.
Oh, and I am almost 70 - a woman who is going to vote for Bernie.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Are you deliberately channeling Mitt Romney, or are you seriously this clueless about the arguments you are making?
Lochloosa
(16,733 posts)Guess why?
white_wolf
(6,257 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Who knew that Clinton would find her final incarnation in... Ayn Rand!
Lochloosa
(16,733 posts)On edit. My wife does write the checks. She's retired now. Bush did that for us. Bastard
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)So I'll just do this
tosh
(4,453 posts)All of it, but add "Where the hell am I?"
Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)I don't believe for one second that you're a Clinton supporter engaged in honest debate of the issues.
Clinton supporters know better than to pull this kind of crap.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)Medical bills, student loan bills, and guess what. They are all too fucking high. So, let's all go vote for Hillary because we all enjoy being screwed over by a system that doesn't even listen or care about us little people.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)
AOR
(692 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)CentralMass
(16,971 posts)white_wolf
(6,257 posts)Why am I not surprised? Maybe if Hilary ran as an actual Democrat instead of a moderate Republican she wouldn't be facing these problems.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Her supporters are sooo desperate! Throwing turds but none stick
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)I could say her supporters are yuppies with the cushy life as a result of ripping off anyone they've wooed with lies , but I won't .
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
cali
(114,904 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)my nerves are touched.
This is a train wreck.
Krytan11c
(271 posts)And the op.
Us dumb millennials will keep flicking to Bernie. Not for free stuff, but for hope in a better future for everyone.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)For me, at first, it was the laugh nerve because the OP is so pathetic it made me lol
But the that quickly turned to the gag reflex nerve because I couldn't believe I was reading this on DU.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)They're paying bills.
But please, do use this talking point more. Shout it to every single young person you see.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts) Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)education loans, social security and medicare (for us), a lot aren't living at home so they have rent and bills for that too.
I want to leave this country a better place for my kids and grandkids and everyone else too.
NEOhiodemocrat
(912 posts)My "young people" are definitely paying the bills in this country, probably more so than my husband and I since we are retired. Are you trying to alienate Sander's supporters? If not you sure are doing it as a side effect. We are all Sander supporters.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)So help them out. At this point the "young people" are not paying the bills
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I am no longer surprised at the Hillarian's republican talking points.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)2016 HRC Democrats say young voters want free stuff
Geez how low will you guys go !!!
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,704 posts)
demosocialist
(184 posts)fail...
Paulie
(8,464 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)
Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,476 posts)Like others, I'm speechless.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts) 
Bonhomme Richard
(9,545 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)
potone
(1,701 posts)Young people are paying for a college education and are swamped in debt when they graduate. They also face a job market in which wages have been stagnant for decades, and also face the prospect of having to cope with the consequences of global warming. And all of this is on top of the staggering national debt that they will be paying off.
To imply that they are all privileged layabouts who are supported by their parents is simply untrue. I teach at a university and I know that my students have legitimate fears for the future, and condescending to them, as some Hillary supporters are doing, is not only not going to win them over, it insults them by acting as if they have no reason to be concerned about their future, and should just trust the establishment. That is not how social change was achieved in the past, and it won't work now!
Kokonoe
(2,485 posts)Health care to live longer.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the youth of this nation are paying for those student loans and understand that they will not finish paying for them until they are in late adulthood.
Reform is needed, but I love your imcremental straw man.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)kids are trying to steal this ladies money!!!.
earthside
(6,960 posts)I am the father of a 21 and 27 year old.
I got news for you ... they very much know how much things cost.
They work and pay taxes and help pay (paid) their college costs; the older is paying health insurance.
They own cars and buy gasoline.
One pays rent.
I have to say this post make me rather angry.
It is condescending towards young adults who are struggling to get a start on life -- they are very much focused on the future and how what their taxes are going to fund.
They don't want anymore Iraq wars (that Hillary vote for) and they are scared of rising premiums and deductibles under Obamacare and know things have to change. And after their high hopes for Pres. Obama that were not fulfilled ... they are very much ready for the hope and change that Sen. Sanders is advocating for.
Hillary is a loser ... and this post is a perfect example of why she is going to crash.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)But I think young people like Sanders because they still have faith in the system. They have a lot of faith in the office of the presidency and the power of a single individual to make drastic changes. In turn, they place a lot more blame on our past leaders' shoulders -- as if B. Clinton and Obama had a lack or will, or lack of ideas, or were just corrupt. As an older Democrat, I see our past Democratic leaders as good people struggling within a bad system and against a split electorate.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I don't totally agree but I appreciate your fair minded attitude.
(I'm in the old fart category.)
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)And I'm certain there's a lot more to it, too.
Most of the Millennials in my life are African American. They're living in a large Southern city and busting their collective butts to pay for college and their apartments and their bills. They get some financial support from their parents, but they're not spoiled. Job prospects here aren't too great for them unless they get graduate degrees, so that's a lot of debt. They ask me a hell of a lot of political questions, especially now. They're very idealistic, not naive, nor uninformed, simply idealistic. I remember feeling that way. Most are undecided. I try to be fair and not rain on anyone's parade.
doc03
(39,085 posts)chance of getting any of his promises passed. I guess they still believe in Santa Claus. Hey I am running for president, I will make the minimum wage $50 and hour, free health care, free college, I will break up all the banks, put the CEO of Comcast in prison and make everyone else pay for all of it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Your candor is appreciated
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)What is she going to get the Republican majority in Congress to vote with her on? Do tell. No Hillary supporter seems to be able to answer this.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)I say keep this meme. It's a winner. 
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But we do now, and it's called the opening post.
Wow. Climbing through the bowels of infested, infected shit to come up with that one.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)
Wow.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I just don't express it so colorfully.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But this could boomerang, so I'm happy with it now.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)But not enough. 
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts) 
mnhtnbb
(33,345 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)
TheFarseer
(9,770 posts)I'm not sold on free college for everyone. I think that's going to produce undesirable side effects.. I think $15/hr minimum wage is a bad idea. It will only spur automation and outsourcing. I think Medicare for all could really work if done right. Obamacare is a cobbled together clusterf*&% if you ask me.
But what I do support is an end to bad trade deals that ship jobs overseas, big corporations avoiding taxes by stashing their money in the Cayman Islands, rewarding Corporations for moving to Ireland and hand in hand with that, money buying elections. I think if we don't do something about money buying elections, there's no sense talking about anything else. I also believe Hilary is far more likely to lead us into a senseless war.
mnhtnbb
(33,345 posts)The OP is so ridiculous, it's funny. Really embarrassing.
I suppose at 65 I qualify as an adult and I am supporting Bernie.
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TBF
(36,665 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Got any other right-wing smears to broad-brush with? Or are you done embarrassing yourself today?
MuseRider
(35,176 posts)passed on to my son's to share with their friends. These are all young people making their livings in a very hard profession to make your living in. They work very long hours and all hours, often into the morning. They pay their own bills. They are almost every one ready to vote for Bernie.
They will love this. Bernie bros? Man, someone better tell Hillary to control her supporters because up to now they have all be so exemplary.
ForgoTheConsequence
(5,186 posts)That's the ticket.
How much did Hillary's war in Iraq cost?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Although maybe not how you'd like to be.
And you and your ilk complain about BernieBros....amazing.
These are direct responses to your post here.
https://twitter.com/GeeOhPees2/status/697201434849226753
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)just another salt of the earth Hillry supporter hitting the big time
Armstead
(47,803 posts)SpazCabinet
(3 posts)The adults who are paying the bills prefer Hillary.
Guess why?
Would they still support him if he tells them: oh I'm counting on you to fund free college (not for you but for your younger brothers and sisters) and free health care (for your parents)!!!
When I was young and asked my parents for something, they would say "when you pay the bills you can have it".
ˈ/selfiSH/
adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
"I joined them for selfish reasons"
synonyms: egocentric, egotistic, egotistical, egomaniacal, self-centered, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-seeking, self-serving, wrapped up in oneself; inconsiderate, thoughtless, unthinking, uncaring, uncharitable; mean, miserly, grasping, greedy, mercenary, acquisitive, opportunistic; informal looking after number one
"he is just selfish by nature"
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)The place within them where their hopes and dreams used to exist has atrophied into a blackened, desiccated husk of pure sadness.
stage left
(3,306 posts)Not all old people.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts) HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts) HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)californiabernin
(421 posts)
mainer
(12,554 posts)I expect that I will paying more taxes under Bernie, but I'm also expecting that the whole country will benefit from that.
So stop it with this "Bernie supporters won't be paying the bills" in the country. Yes, I will be paying more. But in exchange, I will feel there's a safety net under ALL of us.
I'm also a 62-year-old self-employed female.
elleng
(141,926 posts)
Perogie
(687 posts)
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)We all pay taxes too. Oh, and we realize that we wouldn't benefit from free college.
So I can conclude based on my sample of friends and colleagues that your post is without merit and dangerously dismissive of young voters.
Unrec.
KeepItReal
(7,770 posts)Via my first summer youth employment job in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Thank you Gov. Edwin Edwards (D).
My first ever vote for President was an enthusiastic one for Gov. William Jefferson Clinton.
You do your candidate a real goddamned disservice with posts like this, friend.
Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)this might be the most anti-Democratic post I have every seen on this board...much worse than someone vowing not to vote for a certain candidate if they secure the nomination
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)If you don't agree with it than the person must be spouting RW talking points or they need to go away. How Democratic.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)It's not an argument about the relative merits of the candidates' ideas. Rather, it's just a cheap jab at the supposed shallowness of a candidate's supporters. Complete trash.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)I own a business, I am a woman, I am 55 years old. I am willing to pay more in taxes so that everyone has more opportunities.
I support Bernie, in fact time to make another donation.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Can you give me a logical, or moral, or legitimate reason for any society to allow the existence of billionaires.
Explain how the overwhelming greed of the super rich is anything other than successful sociopathic behavior.
Isn't bragging how many multimillionaires our society can support like bragging about how many tapeworms are feasting on you body?
After all the consume resources and contribute nothing to the host body, in fact the damage it. Left unchecked they deteriorate the body's health, resulting in the death of the host.
We are the richest country in the history of the Earth. Over half of that wealth is concentrated in 0.01% of the population.
Explain why the 99.9% shouldn't eat the 0.01%.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Young people have disproportionately paid the price for the "business opportunities" that Hillary has so richly benefited from.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)
The OP is hideous and it's shameful it wasn't hidden by the jury. I think I've paid my last dime to this place if this is the kind of thing that is allowed to stand. I'm embarrassed to be seen here.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Everyone needs to see what Hillary and her supporters really think.
Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts).
NO!
Why are you guys so mean to me? When I get older I'm not going to be like you!
Oops!
.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)of the most ignorant posts I have ever seen on DU.
Congratulations.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)NEWS FLASH FOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS: It is not 2000, anymore, and most Millennials are ADULTS. The oldest Millennials turn 34 this year and next year will be eligible to run for president.
I repeat: WE ARE NOT KIDS.
steve2470
(37,481 posts)I'm guessing the vast majority of young people are just like us. This is a not-so-wise post, to put it kindly.
Bernie has his heart in the right place, and the details will get worked out in Congress so it's affordable for the American people.
Bernie has my family's vote.
villager
(26,001 posts)Meanwhile, this middle-aged bill-paying adult prefers Sanders, because I hate seeing my money wasted subsidizing toxic military adventurism, and billionaires who already have more than enough.
And stay the hell off my lawn!
ericson00
(2,707 posts)but they should also be given a history lesson too.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"Fuck the Peons Who Have the Audacity to Want Affordable Higher Education Like Other Civilized Countries! Hillary 2016!"
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)okay for billionaire to get welfare,not okay for a person in need though.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Free stuff, my ass.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)which seems to be the type of major Bernie-fans like
TBF
(36,665 posts)enjoy your stay comrade.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)... it's my (boomer) generation that enjoyed the benefits of free stuff. Kids today are getting exploited.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which major would you like them to have chosen?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)try that in the general election!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)If you don't agree with Bernie, you're accused of spouting right wing talking points, told to leave, or cursed at. Thanks for having the courage to express an opinion which obviously goes against the masses here.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)That's quite the glass house you're sitting in.
k8conant
(3,038 posts)I am already paying student (parent plus) loans of $300 a month
and Blue Cross/Blue Shield premium of $516.18 and Medicare Part B premium of $105
I can afford this on an income of $37000 although it is 20% of my income.
I don't want this to be the way things are done in this country.
QC
(26,371 posts)
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)
jillan
(39,451 posts)My kid is at the Naval Academy. He worked his ass off for an appointment and is getting a quality education. He owes five years active duty to pay for his education. He's been paying taxes and working since he was 16. He started taking care of his own business since then. That wasn't because of me; I'd have gladly paid his way, but HE insisted. He worked hard and this post is fucking offensive.
I'm a Bernie voter because diplomacy before warfare is always the way to go. I don't want my kid dying for billionaires.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)
ornotna
(11,479 posts)
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Trillions down the drain thanks to her and the other scared-to-piss-off Fox News DINOs.
It's pretty telling that you and Hillary don't think free college is not a worthy goal of our country, yet say not a peep about the multi-trillions that go to enrich corporations and their CEOs.
jillan
(39,451 posts) Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)I have read in a while and like most of your stuff is just right wing red meat wrapped in a blue bow with a D on it.
Why you are not permanently banned from this sight for all you probright wing frames and talking points is a mystery to me.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)when you can't find something positive to win over the youth with, trash them...
The hilarious thing is that if she WAS winning the youth vote she'd be talking about how adults should listen to the non-cynical wisdom of youth...
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Are you drinking because it's an election night?
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Slate has an article about how the economic downturn of 2008 has left young people really bitter. Old people too. I think us oldsters are far more comfortable with a politician that plays to everyone, because we remember how Stevenson, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis and Gore (and yuck Nader) went when playing to a narrow base. You can't get anything accomplished if you don't win the general election, and we have very strong feelings that someone who calls himself a socialist is going to do in the general election based on how the ones that didn't call themselves such did.
The president makes appointments, most notably to the judiciary. They decide and set precedents in hundreds of thousands of cases. If only for that reason, we must absolutely keep the Republicans out of the White House and elect one of ours.
Sure, I'll vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination.
The only way that the young'uns would vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination is if Sanders is on the ticket, which he may not want to do, but having started this, I hope he is prepared to do that.
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)I pay the bills in my household
I am a 62 year old white college educated female.
Go Bernie
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Oh wait....I thought this was The Onion, but the OP wasn't trying to be funny.
Just another Hillary supporter who is being honest about WHY they support her.
Debt Free Education is NOT a radical idea.
At one time, it was a cornerstone of the Democratic Party:
Among these are:
*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
*The right of every family to a decent home;
*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
*The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
[font size=3]America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.[/font]
---FDR, 1944, State of the Union[/font]
Please note that the above are stipulated as Basic Human RIGHTS to be protected by our government,
and NOT as COMMODITIES to be SOLD to Americans by For Profit Corporations.
Autumn
(48,961 posts)This is a great big old WTF. 
merrily
(45,251 posts)Get straight!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,516 posts)and I support Bernie. At least when I graduated I wasn't stuck with a crushing student loan debt, so I could pay the rest of my bills. I'm more than happy to pay taxes so the people who are in college now have a chance of living as well as I have for the last 47 years.
Sorry, I don't hold with your "I've got mine; to hell with you" attitude. Sounds awfully Republican.
Kall
(615 posts)The people who "pay the bills" in this country grew up through large parts of their working lives with strong unions, regular wage increases, no free trade agreements with slave wage countries, no globalization, and where a good education was a pretty good ticket to a steady full time job with a good chance at job security, benefits and a pension.
Young people today are looking at a bleak future without any of these things where a life of contract and part-time jobs await them, the ladder having been yanked away. So they're voting for the guy who has consistently opposed the problems put in their way for 30 years. And get this - they're being lectured by some people who benefited from the economy that no longer exists to vote for a woman to make "history" who, along with her husband, largely supported this new economic hellscape that awaits them. I won't even touch on the differences in positions on financial deregulation that led the world to doom.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)young people want free college funding so they can pay their other bills. Free college would be an almost 200 Billion dollar a year stimulus to our economy that won't be going to the banksters.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I wonder? We are taxed a lot in this country and it the burden needs to shift to those at the top. We also need to prioritize spending away from perpetual war and use that war machine money to invest in our youth and rebuilding the infrastructure of this nation. We could have single payer if not for the endless war spending. We could have free college for all if not for the endless war spending. We could have a happier society if not for greed that fuels dirty water, dirty air, tainted food, for profit prisons and rewards the selfish and greedy who get richer and richer and condemn those who demand a livable wage.
The table is slanted. Level the playing field and then I wold revisit your post.
Fearless
(18,458 posts)I cite myself. And every person that I know as evidence. But keep the ageist slurs coming. They help us win.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)to be more full of shit, but you'll probably prove it is before this is over.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am not even going to try to find it. I just wish you would stop wasting words on being such a hateful thing.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that is Clinton's position.
Progressives know that educating the population will benefit all of society. It's the conservatives that like the population stupid.
Every generation helps their elders and their children. That's a good thing. Conservatives want to hide in a cave and count their ill gotten money.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)and probably me, paid a lot of fucking bills of yours that you are too fucking myopically self-centered and selfish to even realize, let alone admit...
you don't have a fucking clue as to how things work...but you are all for what you perceive as the status quo...you are getting screwed and you think it's your fucking birthday party
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Don't you understand that if the top 0.1% keeps getting its way, nobody else will be able to pay his or her bills soon?
regnaD kciN
(27,639 posts)…is now resurrecting the rhetoric of their elders back then, when every call for social justice was written-off by the older generation as "the fantasies of kids who never had to work a day in their lives, and just sponge off their parents."
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)then her generation " There were only 12 of us " then when Bill Maher pointed out she was wrong saying Hillary got the Women vote, she changed her tune to " Where the boys are and they'll become more radical as they get older, JUST SAY " Hillary is a Women and I have to vote for her, I'm a famous Established Feminist " .
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)And........
DonCoquixote
(13,959 posts)then the award process is as lame as the oscars (sarcasm.) Seriously, this is the sort of thread the DUzy was made for.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)What's the reason that 50 year olds like me with a steady job and bills to pay supports Bernie?
temporary311
(960 posts)since before they were born. It was their future we sold when we elected Reagan.
mac56
(17,821 posts) PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Sad state of DU.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)One: judging by the national debt, the Boomers aren't paying the bills either.
Two: The Boomers will "have to pay for it" for many fewer years than GenX and Millenials because they are far closer to retirement (who will be paying for their Social Security?) and fading health (who will be paying for their Medicare?) than younger people. Reduced income means reduced taxes.
Younger people wanting "free stuff" will be paying for it their entire working lives.
Boomers went to college for cheap but I guess they want to pull that ladder up behind them.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Not productive --we need to work together.
Boomers + millenials = WIN WIN.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)probably in any election I've been involved with. Bet when you were young, there was much more income EQUALITY. My parents told me the same thing and I could go out and get an after school job and actually pay for what I wanted. Today, prices are high, wages are low and SCHOOL costs bury you in debt!
muntrv
(14,505 posts)They don't pay rent or car payments?
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)...and these desperate reasons keep piling up.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Because that's the only group Hillary won according to exit polls. You might want to get started on some new horseshit to include everyone else.
jen63
(813 posts)same demographic as fox "news." Interesting eh?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)hatrack
(64,878 posts)And get off my lawn!!
OZi
(155 posts)How did Hillary do with independents in NH? I hear they are important in general elections...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)And yes, they are supporting him even though they know they still owe money and others will get free college. Not everyone is as selfish as some here.
aikoaiko
(34,214 posts)I think you should post this opinion everywhere you can.
Your HRC attitude is exactly why I support Bernie
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Seems to me one could not cook up a talking point to sabotage the Clinton campaign more effective than this one. We're all having a good laugh, but I gotta wonder if you're a real Clinton supporter, or more Onion style. If you are for real, you'd best figure out the damage you're doing to your cause. If you're not, stop being deceptive. Thanks.
pinstikfartherin
(500 posts)You know, since I don't have bills and all...
First of all, I'm a self-employed individual who pays my taxes, my student loan payments, and my bills. I expect nothing for free. I'm willing to pay so perhaps my nephews might one day not have to take on debt to get an education. I'm willing to pay for the things I want like single payer healthcare because my grandfather's cancer treatment costs shouldn't be a worry when he's fighting for his life. I don't want my dad, who's worked hard and raised myself and my sister, to have to worry about getting sick and going bankrupt since he can't afford insurance. I want paid family leave so that I can be there for my family when they need it most, unlike when my grandmother was on hospice a few years ago and no one could afford to take much time off to take care of her because it was unpaid. I'm willing to pay to have the people I love and care about have a safety net even if I never use it or pay more than what I get out of it. Isn't that what it's all about? Ensuring your children and future generations have things better than you did?
I'll make it simple: Take your "free stuff" bullshit and shove it.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Keep it up, you're doing great ensuring a Sanders win, and we appreciate your efforts.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Urgent message for you, Mr. Romney. It's from some Democrats. They're asking you to come speak to them about the 47 percent, no skin in the game, and related topics.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Your disgusting blanket statement is woefully uninformed and degrading. I'm 50 fucking years old and I cover all my own bills, thank you very much. My graduate students have a shit ton more bills to worry about than you do.
Next time you make another disparaging remark about Bernie supporters, take a good hard look in the mirror.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)so I guess you are mistaken.
basselope
(2,565 posts)But I thought it was the RICH WHITE LIBERALS who were original the only people voting for Bernie. (At least that used to be the claim).
Now that it is shown that Clinton is really only getting the 200K and above vote, suddenly it is the people paying the bills.
Well.. yes, those people tend to vote their interests and the candidates they can buy.
I can afford Hillary... was invited to meet her personally if I gave a contribution. Could have had dinner with her at a celebrities house in LA.
No thank you.
I'd rather donate online to Bernie and never meet him in person than have one on one time with someone who is going to kiss my rear for some cash.
I pay the bills... more than most and I am willing to pay a much larger share, provided I know it is going to the right places, which is why I am for Bernie.
Beartracks
(14,591 posts)Why, a national economy and a household budget are practically the same thing!!!
It's not like there are not a LOT of costs (hidden or otherwise) to each one of us, and to society as a whole, for having less-educated people (kids AND adults), and for having skyrocketing healthcare costs and millions of uninsured and/or under-employed people.
We ALL *are* paying the bills, whether they come in the actual mail or not.
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TransitJohn
(6,937 posts)Just a pantload of unbelievable divide and conquer regressive shit.
TubbersUK
(1,517 posts)You sum it up nicely
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yeah, I think I did.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
Ford F-150
(72 posts)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts) Repig talking point. Lochloosa
(16,733 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)the system against anyone under 35. Like Clinton, it is obvious you don't care for millennials at all. Are you surprised they look for someone who DOES understand how interconnected today's problems are, and the role of youth underemployment in it?
Your advocacy of what is effectively disenfranchisement of the poor and destitute is both repulsive and repetitive. How about knocking it off? Three Ops on this subject are qute enough. A fourth one would be trolling.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Seriously, one of the RWs favorite attacks against Obama then - And still to date - is that he was running as, and is, a 'free stuff' President.
lame54
(39,758 posts)For dishes they didn't order
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts) rpannier
(24,924 posts)Cal Berkeley 1966 and it was tuition free
No, there he did not have financial aid. The good people of California footed it through their taxes.
Nice try.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)They are paying the price for Clinton policies, for the economic fallout of Bill overturning Glass Steagall, for NAFTA and welfare deform.
More are trapped in poverty or strapped with debt.
We, the people, are paying the price of corporatist policies that let the big thieves off the hook while using tax dollars for their geopolitical, profiteering wars instead of education, health care for all (not insurance that insures nothing), infrastructure and the environment!
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)LAME
eilen
(4,955 posts)the only free college he expects to get is via his earned GI Bill. He plans to finish college (2 years down in community college all paid out of pocket) during his enlistment, even if it means another enlistment majoring in economics and then enroll in law school. After law school and passing the NY Bar Exam, he plans to look for employment in government. He wants to have a career in politics/government. Maybe one day he will run for office.
I don't think he expects anything for free. I think he enlisted so he could work a job that felt meaningful. My chief request of our elected leaders is that they not create international situations in which he will get blown up.
Because we need him. And so do you.
(I'm 50 and a Sanders supporter, so is my kid, so is my Mom).