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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:31 AM Feb 2016

Clinton allies grapple with crushing loss

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MANCHESTER, N.H. – Both Hillary and Bill Clinton knew she would lose here — but not by this much.

Now, after a drubbing so serious as to call into question every aspect of her campaign from her data operation to her message, the wounded front-runner and her allies are actively preparing to retool their campaign, according to Clinton allies.

Staffing and strategy will be reassessed. The message, which so spectacularly failed in New Hampshire where she was trailing by 21 points when she appeared before her supporters to concede to Sanders, is also going to be reworked – with race at the center of it.

Clinton is set to campaign with the mothers of Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner, unarmed African-Americans who died in incidents involving law enforcement officers and a neighborhood watch representative, respectively. And the campaign, sources said, is expected to push a new focus on systematic racism, criminal justice reform, voting rights and gun violence that will mitigate concerns about her lack of an inspirational message.

“The gun message went silent in New Hampshire,” remarked one ally close to the campaign. “Guns will come back in a strong way.” She is expected to highlight the problem of gun violence as the leading cause of death among African American men as she campaigns in South Carolina on Friday.



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-african-americans-219039#ixzz3zjhSplOo

And sadly, it's a sure bet that they'll try and frame Bernie and his campaign and supporters (again) as racist and xenophobic, piling that on the sexism charge.

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Clinton allies grapple with crushing loss (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
She's lucky it's only Sanders n/t Leaseoption Feb 2016 #1
trustworthiness is far and away her biggest issue. yourout Feb 2016 #2
white liberals/socialists kennetha Feb 2016 #29
She is going to overplay this kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #3
Yea. Time for the Dems to address criminal justice reform and mass incarceration DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #13
My thoughts exactly. They will turn POC off just like they did women. thereismore Feb 2016 #18
Jones on CNN made a good point kcjohn1 Feb 2016 #26
I would note things like this as I observe them, except that closeupready Feb 2016 #22
look at the people questionseverything Feb 2016 #4
Here's the thing, though. She never has had a consistent message. PatrickforO Feb 2016 #5
Sanders is out of white states Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #6
He doesn't need to win South Carolina cali Feb 2016 #7
And if he does, you'll shift to "he can't win big states". (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #16
Might want to check your math.. Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #24
Me too bravenak Feb 2016 #28
They seem unphased over here! frylock Feb 2016 #9
Pet peeve: it should be "unfazed" winter is coming Feb 2016 #31
Actually, a phaser was a weapon on Star Trek Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #36
this is why we need Bernie so bad kevink077 Feb 2016 #10
If Harry Belafonte endorses Bernie this week he'll be in SC for Bernie enigmatic Feb 2016 #11
And Ben Jealous. That was a huuuuge endorsement. jillan Feb 2016 #14
Absolutely enigmatic Feb 2016 #19
Grasping at straws. Maybe if she would truly address the 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #12
Yup. Release the transcripts, donate the money to charity, leftupnorth Feb 2016 #21
"crushing" loss? I can look out my window and see more people than voted dems in New Hampshire lol msongs Feb 2016 #15
I don't get the comparison. cyberswede Feb 2016 #30
What was the national delegate break down for NH? nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #17
Hillary 8.0 Armstead Feb 2016 #20
Isn't she still planning on being more spontaneous? n/t Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #23
That's what comes from viewing politics as a corporate BRAND... Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #32
Yeah. H2O Man Feb 2016 #25
Yet she supports three strikes, for profit prisons and the death penalty Lorien Feb 2016 #27
I believe that NOTHING would drive... actslikeacarrot Feb 2016 #33
circumcised and occasionally seen holding things with his LEFT hand MisterP Feb 2016 #34
Esquire Magazine just had a "What would you protest? survey. Gun restrictions only got 10%. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #35
So she is going to try to reinvent herself into MLK? mhatrw Feb 2016 #37
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #38

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
29. white liberals/socialists
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

have a harder time trusting Hillary than blacks do I bet. Great deal of affection for the Clintons in that community and Obama's warm embrace of her only heightens it.

Sanders is basically running against Obama and everything he stood for. That sits will with lefties who are disappointed in Obama, not so much with Southern blacks, I bet.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
3. She is going to overplay this
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

She is going to turn off people b/c of pandering.

Guns are issue in African american communities, but its probably issue #5 (I believe guns should be outright banned). Bigger issue is lack of jobs, institutional racism, and corrupt police system.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
18. My thoughts exactly. They will turn POC off just like they did women.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

This is however their best strategy.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
26. Jones on CNN made a good point
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

And she should play it more. He basically credited the Clintons for giving him and other POC opportunity a leg up when he was coming up. I think they deserve credit for giving lots of political favors to POC and why they get unanimous support among establishment in black communities (I don't mean it as a slight).

Patronage is a big thing and credit to Clinton to taking care of black leaders.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
22. I would note things like this as I observe them, except that
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:14 AM
Feb 2016

I know her strategists monitor threads and discussions here and likely get material, so I'm saving up for after she loses the nomination, for "Now It Can Be Told" threads, lol.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
5. Here's the thing, though. She never has had a consistent message.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

Her losing speech tonight in NH sounded like she was once again taking a page from Bernie's book, but that's because the Third Way drift right didn't work.

Seriously, the truth is that Clinton is just a seriously flawed candidate, so seriously flawed that she won't even be able to win the primary let alone the general election.

Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #6)

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
24. Might want to check your math..
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

Because you are wrong. The only thing that matters is Democrat.

Iowa 88% of Dems are white

NH 94% of Dems are whited

South Carolina 60% of Dems are black





















Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
36. Actually, a phaser was a weapon on Star Trek
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 03:17 AM
Feb 2016

So "unphased" works

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kevink077

(365 posts)
10. this is why we need Bernie so bad
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:43 AM
Feb 2016

She will depress turnout in November. Bernie will get record turnout.

enigmatic

(15,021 posts)
11. If Harry Belafonte endorses Bernie this week he'll be in SC for Bernie
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016

You bet he'll be stumping for him along w/ Killa Mike, Nina Turner etc. If Hillary goes there it won't work.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
12. Grasping at straws. Maybe if she would truly address the
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:50 AM
Feb 2016

Wall Street issue, Kissinger and her Iraq vote......
Just maybe she could turn it around.

leftupnorth

(886 posts)
21. Yup. Release the transcripts, donate the money to charity,
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

denounce what she said to them. Listen to more Rage Against The Machine. Promise to do better. A true come to Jesus moment.

She may hang on if she does that. Otherwise, it seems like it's an uphill battle.

msongs

(67,405 posts)
15. "crushing" loss? I can look out my window and see more people than voted dems in New Hampshire lol
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:55 AM
Feb 2016

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
30. I don't get the comparison.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:26 AM
Feb 2016

60%-39% is a blowout, the number of people you can see from your porch notwithstanding.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
20. Hillary 8.0
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 12:59 AM
Feb 2016

She's gonna be nice. She's gonna be tough. She's gonna be more progressive. She's gonna be more moderate. She's gonna be inspirational. She's gonna be practical......The economy is the most important issue. Race is the most important issue. Guns are the most important issue.

It's difficult to keep up.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
32. That's what comes from viewing politics as a corporate BRAND...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:32 AM
Feb 2016

...rather than as the heart of democracy of, by and for the People.

It's like "branding" has gotten into Hillary's soul, as it has in so many others among our Democratic Party leadership. They've come to think like corporate CEOs and "branding" specialists, instead of thinking like PUBLIC SERVANTS.

Cuz that's who they hang out with--corporate CEOs and "branding" specialists. Hillary, and almost every Democrat I've held my nose and voted for, for about 40 years. They are not OF the People. They are not FOR the People. And how they gain power is not BY us, not really, but by soliciting millions of 1%er dollars to mesmerize people and propagandize their "brand" on TV and elsewhere.

Those who know what this is all about hold our noses and vote Democratic one more time, because the powers-that-be, the media and the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machine corporations have made fascism respectable, i.e., the alternative is a fascist. And those who don't know what's going on are kind of like zombies and vote like zombies, if they vote at all. And fewer and fewer do. Worst of all, perhaps, is that our Democratic leaders have LET fascism become respectable--have not fought against it, have enabled it, maybe even like it (cuz it makes them look "liberal&quot , and never, never ask a question like this: How did a Congress with an 8% approval rating get elected?

What a dismal state of affairs.

Until now.

Go Bernie!

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
25. Yeah.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

Looking through but a few internet sites, I've seen a lot of sour grapes. And it's got to be a tough lose .....if a 10% victory signifies a "landslide," then tonight's loss was obviously harsh. But coming off as sore sports will only serve to damage their campaign.That's why well-run campaigns attempt to lose gracefully, especially when it is difficult.

Recommended.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
27. Yet she supports three strikes, for profit prisons and the death penalty
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 01:23 AM
Feb 2016

How many black Americans were harmed by the war in Iraq? How many by inequality? How many by healthcare costs? How many by welfare reform? How many by fracking and crap EPA standards? How many can't afford college? It's all just talk; her actions speak far louder than her hollow words.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
33. I believe that NOTHING would drive...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:03 AM
Feb 2016

...republican turnout in the GE higher than Hillary Clinton talking about gun control. It wouldn't even just be republicans, it would be libertarians and independents who dont really pay attention but will hear on the news that "hillary is gonna take YOUR GUNS!!! I still believe she will be the eventual nominee but I think this is a mistake for the GE.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
34. circumcised and occasionally seen holding things with his LEFT hand
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

in contradiction to Acts 7:55-56; Romans 8:34; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1

perhaps even in communication with the Sublime Porte! or the Kaiser

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
37. So she is going to try to reinvent herself into MLK?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 04:03 AM
Feb 2016

Will Bill be touring with Sister Souljah and Reagan's Welfare Queen?

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