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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:28 PM Feb 2016

I'm getting sick of Bernie trying to interrupt Hillary, waving his finger around

while she's talking, and otherwise trying to distract from what she's saying.

She calmly listens when he talks, but he grimaces, waves his fingers, shakes his head, and practically jumps out of his skin when she's talking.

Why doesn't he just wait for the moderator to say it's his turn?

So obnoxious.

ON EDIT: Can you imagine the reaction if ANY WOMAN used his body language on TV? Wagged her finger, angrily shook her head, pursed her lips, etc. She'd be accused of being on the edge of hysteria.

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I'm getting sick of Bernie trying to interrupt Hillary, waving his finger around (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2016 OP
I am tired of Hillary beating war drums Kalidurga Feb 2016 #1
Lol yes n/t SheenaR Feb 2016 #4
Here again, @HillaryClinton knows @SenSanders' record better than he does. This time on Iraq, Syria, riversedge Feb 2016 #12
@HillaryClinton and @BernieSanders should KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #29
Seriously? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #32
4 wars....None of them good decisions... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #38
+1000. But very sad picture:(. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #162
Yes, I don't know how many more $2 trillion Iraq wars I can stand jfern Feb 2016 #15
Better his fiery mannerisms than her stone-face holier-than-thou demeanor snowy owl Feb 2016 #179
I'm getting sick of Hillary defending war criminals. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #2
@HillaryClinton: "I do not believe a vote in 2002 is a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016" # riversedge Feb 2016 #7
It one part of a history of poor judgement. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #13
gwb did that not Hillary's one vote rbrnmw Feb 2016 #30
He shouldn't have been allowed to. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2016 #46
Hillary didn't just vote for Iraq Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #49
Exactly Carolina Feb 2016 #89
Yes Carolina Feb 2016 #79
That vote in 2002 created ISIS Politicalboi Feb 2016 #27
That war would have taken place with or without the IWR. If the Congress pnwmom Feb 2016 #39
You can't possibly know that notadmblnd Feb 2016 #55
Yes, I can. Here's the evidence. pnwmom Feb 2016 #59
Because you say so. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #62
PNAC comprised of the Bush cabal Carolina Feb 2016 #100
Iraq War and ISIS malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #43
Bingo. nt laundry_queen Feb 2016 #75
her vote helped create Isis. Mull that over Perogie Feb 2016 #80
that opic is not good for him. not good at all riversedge Feb 2016 #3
Good thing I don't vote on "optics", or I'd probably John Poet Feb 2016 #11
+1. bvf Feb 2016 #47
Bernie was red in the face, frailing his arms and fingers around. good luck with that. riversedge Feb 2016 #56
Thanks. Good luck with Kissinger. John Poet Feb 2016 #65
A $2 trillion Iraq war that led to ISIS is very very very very bad for her jfern Feb 2016 #20
Your last two words ... YES. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #5
Welcome to the club. Fawke Em Feb 2016 #6
^^^^ THIS ^^^^^ John Poet Feb 2016 #16
PLUS he is only doing that when she misrepresents his statements. JudyM Feb 2016 #68
Yes, that's what I've seen also. He gets frustrated with her accusations, polly7 Feb 2016 #163
Call the Senate now!!! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #8
Hey! YOU DIDN'T USE ALL CAPS. THIS DOESN'T COUNT! Fawke Em Feb 2016 #115
It's because she keeps saying things that imply things which are not the case. californiabernin Feb 2016 #9
^^^^THIS! hopeforchange2008 Feb 2016 #14
and she won't stop talking n/t dana_b Feb 2016 #40
He's not going to let Hillary misrepresent his record.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #10
Meanwhile she looks calm and collected DesertRat Feb 2016 #17
That's only because she is thinking about starting another war. Perogie Feb 2016 #85
She's had lots of practice...throwing out garbage and enjoying the results. Her passivity indicates libdem4life Feb 2016 #86
He may not realize they have him on split screen JimDandy Feb 2016 #18
I thought he was mugging for the cameras on purpose. pnwmom Feb 2016 #23
The split screen is intermittent. JimDandy Feb 2016 #41
It's not just that. He keeps trying to interrupt her. And he shakes his head and pnwmom Feb 2016 #44
He is signaling to the moderator when he wants to reply. JimDandy Feb 2016 #61
He interrupted her repeatedly. If you watch it again I think you'll see. pnwmom Feb 2016 #64
Only when she was misrepresenting. JudyM Feb 2016 #168
Devine said today that Bernie knows he always on. nt Chezboo Feb 2016 #124
Was that in reference to the split screen or something else? n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #128
Yes, Devine said Bernie is aware that he's always on the split screen in response to Chezboo Feb 2016 #139
I'm getting sick of Hillary praising war criminals.... John Poet Feb 2016 #19
He is showing her... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #21
His body language is not BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #22
I believe that's a signal (the finger) to the moderators... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #24
They know he'd like to rebut, just like they know Hillary wants to rebut. pnwmom Feb 2016 #34
I know. He almost jumps up and down with impatience. Beacool Feb 2016 #25
He's losing me big time. He is so angry and doesn't seem to get off of the vote in 2002. nt KelleyD Feb 2016 #26
That 2002 vote gives him a pass on foreign affairs knowledge ever since, in his opinion. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #31
Perhaps you should check with the Iraqis...get their opinion...they are the true victims here. libdem4life Feb 2016 #95
You would be angry too if lies were being told about you Politicalboi Feb 2016 #35
The vote in 2002 was was the Iraq war. malletgirl02 Feb 2016 #37
I'm sure you'd feel the same if you lived in Bahgdad today. frylock Feb 2016 #134
Hillary keeps throwing crap trying to obscure things.. tokenlib Feb 2016 #28
K&R mcar Feb 2016 #33
get over it Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #36
if I had any heart to give this certainly deserve one! nt silvershadow Feb 2016 #42
I am sick silenttigersong Feb 2016 #45
What's up with the finger?? Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #48
Yes, I noticed that, too. Half the time he just changed the subject. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #50
At some point, that is what you must do with a slime-slinger. You just move out of the way and libdem4life Feb 2016 #99
He is saying enough of your lies about me! bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #51
Then he needed a coach there saying, "Use your words, Bernie." pnwmom Feb 2016 #52
Love that finger wagging...feel the Bern! GumboYaYa Feb 2016 #53
Would you rather he yell "Liar!" PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #54
I kind of wish he would. It'd be more accurate. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #58
He didn't rebut a damn thing. Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #113
AND, if Hillary were coughing on stage DesertRat Feb 2016 #57
Whoosh !!!! Coughing? LOL n/t libdem4life Feb 2016 #101
It is a signal to the moderators that he wants to respond to the current question krawhitham Feb 2016 #60
And what about the head shaking, wagging his finger at HILLARY, grimacing, etc. pnwmom Feb 2016 #66
He does that when she is being 'disingenuous' TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #78
He's being disingenuous when he makes his huge promises, and it doesn't make pnwmom Feb 2016 #83
You're skirting the point. He acted that way only when she was lying. JudyM Feb 2016 #169
Exactly. Eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #92
Then she needs to stop lying. Fearless Feb 2016 #63
They need to put a time limit on her. azmom Feb 2016 #67
She's trying to match his blathering. nt pnwmom Feb 2016 #69
No. She is not. She's running out azmom Feb 2016 #71
Yep, I also believe that's what she was doing. JimDandy Feb 2016 #122
Filibustering. Eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #96
Yes. She needs a big clock around her neck. azmom Feb 2016 #102
Ironically... MrWendel Feb 2016 #155
LOLOLOL! Eom Karma13612 Feb 2016 #158
That's very subjective. I see a man signaling he has something to say but staying quiet thereismore Feb 2016 #70
Many of those "signals" weren't at the moderator. He was wagging his finger at HILLARY. pnwmom Feb 2016 #72
Subjective opinion. That's OK tho. nt thereismore Feb 2016 #74
He should engage in more eye-rolling like Hillary. frylock Feb 2016 #137
He from New York City... iandhr Feb 2016 #73
I was in NYC several years ago, after many years away. pnwmom Feb 2016 #76
Gee, I'm shocked! It's just so out of character for you! n/t RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #77
waving finger - v - showing love for Kissinger SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #81
Hillary was a top diplomat. And she was successful because she was TACTFUL. pnwmom Feb 2016 #88
LOL SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #93
Sometimes that's all one can say. azmom Feb 2016 #114
I can say $hillary and Kissinger fight together to destroy left wing movements SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #117
I'm with the workers and a proud member azmom Feb 2016 #119
BERNIE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUDE. trueblue2007 Feb 2016 #82
That's what I was wondering. Because I don't think he can control it anymore. pnwmom Feb 2016 #84
I'm sick of Hillary acting like she's scolding Bernie. She is very condescending. jillan Feb 2016 #87
He was the one constantly finger wagging at her. What a scold. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #90
No she didn't wag her finger - but that tone of voice. Condescending. jillan Feb 2016 #94
What was condescending about the tone of her voice? Empowerer Feb 2016 #98
She had a very calm, measured voice. That's condescending, apparently. pnwmom Feb 2016 #104
that " Condescending" tone that apparently only you can hear. in your own "anti hillary" world. trueblue2007 Feb 2016 #107
she isn't just scolding Bernie. grasswire Feb 2016 #123
Same here. jillan Feb 2016 #129
she tilts her head back slightly at an angle and looks down her nose at us. nt m-lekktor Feb 2016 #132
EXACTLY grasswire Feb 2016 #143
she isn't good at masking how she ReALLY feels. she looks like she is always seething m-lekktor Feb 2016 #145
that's because she IS. grasswire Feb 2016 #146
You're just getting sick of Bernie interrupting her coranation. morningfog Feb 2016 #91
That's not true TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #97
Personally, I prefer to see someone respond with feeling. The Perfect Mask with The Perfectly libdem4life Feb 2016 #103
Yeah, sure. That's exactly how you'd react if it was a 74 year old white haired lady pnwmom Feb 2016 #105
Good lord, it gets deep. Yes, women are victims. And you're right. If someone is lying about libdem4life Feb 2016 #109
I'm picturing Mother Jones. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #116
Well I see Hillary doing plenty of head shaking Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #178
I'm getting sick of pro-corporate Hillary trying to wiggle into the Whitehouse... johnnyrocket Feb 2016 #106
"wiggle." pnwmom Feb 2016 #108
thats one thing that bothers me about Bernie MFM008 Feb 2016 #110
I'm getting sick of all the blood dripping from HRC's hands: KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #111
Maybe she shouldn't lie so much and misrepresent facts with such ease ram2008 Feb 2016 #112
I agree about the finger waving. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #118
Kick! nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #120
Hopefully you'll be able to convalesce during your time-out. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #121
What are you saying? Are you talking about alert stalking? upaloopa Feb 2016 #131
So now being concerned about someone being sick is alert stalking? n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #133
What does this mean? It isn't a get well card. upaloopa Feb 2016 #136
There are so many ways to show concern for those who are getting sick. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #141
Alert-stalking isn't a thing. SMC22307 Feb 2016 #170
I'm tired of Hilary wearing that smug, condescending, arrogant smirk on her face while Live and Learn Feb 2016 #125
If that makes you sick, don't dare go to his website. PonyUp Feb 2016 #126
Did you hear his coughs tonight. He needs some rest and medical care. upaloopa Feb 2016 #127
He doesn't let a cold keep him down. Powered right through it. JimDandy Feb 2016 #130
Bernie is 4 years older than me and colds at our age can kill you. upaloopa Feb 2016 #138
Wow, never heard of a cold killing anyone. Jeez, you stay well now, you hear. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #140
really never heard of it? rbrnmw Feb 2016 #142
Flu yes, cold? No I haven't. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #147
the common cold kills people all the time rbrnmw Feb 2016 #150
We have weaker immune systems and colds can develop into pneumonia. upaloopa Feb 2016 #144
he's a distance runner grasswire Feb 2016 #148
:fistbump: as I pass the baton... n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #151
Pass that info on to Hillary. It should interest her. JimDandy Feb 2016 #149
have you tried Sambucus? The concentrated liquid does really seem to boost my immunity bettyellen Feb 2016 #152
Poor Hillary. frylock Feb 2016 #135
Boo hoo. She's interrupted him and talked over him in every debate. merrily Feb 2016 #153
agreed.... chillfactor Feb 2016 #154
I'm getting sick of Hillary trying to co-opt Bernie's message. dchill Feb 2016 #156
But wait? I thought tonights meme is Bernie is to robotic? Purveyor Feb 2016 #157
he looked unhinged, he really did. and sort of came off as just angry and mean. boston bean Feb 2016 #159
Well, if he were angry and mean he'd have just given her the finger instead of waving it Jersey Devil Feb 2016 #174
I'm sick to death of Hillary. Period. Exclamation Point!!!!!!!! cali Feb 2016 #160
He should be a political Science teacher.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #161
That's what people who know how so many are suffering and have worked all polly7 Feb 2016 #167
I'm tired of people being so sensitive. Vinca Feb 2016 #164
DU rec in solidarity....nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #165
Keep giving the finger, Bernie. bigwillq Feb 2016 #166
Maybe he ought to poke her in the eye with the finger Jersey Devil Feb 2016 #171
He is quietly signaling the moderators that he wants to respond. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #172
I was getting sick of looking at Hillary wearing a yellow rain coat! B Calm Feb 2016 #173
Maybe it's the flying fickle finger of fate that's giving Hillary the Bern Jersey Devil Feb 2016 #175
Bernie only does that when the lies start pouring out. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #176
I'm getting sick of Hillary Helen Borg Feb 2016 #177

riversedge

(70,197 posts)
12. Here again, @HillaryClinton knows @SenSanders' record better than he does. This time on Iraq, Syria,
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

Paul Begala Verified account ?@PaulBegala 5m5 minutes ago

Here again, @HillaryClinton knows @SenSanders' record better than he does. This time on Iraq, Syria, etc.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
29. @HillaryClinton and @BernieSanders should
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

#debate #handcuffed #sotheycannotmovearms so @riversedge #isnotannoyed

#sorrybutithadtobesaid #hifrom @KentuckyWoman

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
38. 4 wars....None of them good decisions...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

"We came we saw he died"


I have rephrased Hillary's little victory meme which is more befitting reality...

"We came, we bombed, they drowned!"

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Europe is being filled with refugees from wars instigated by USA and promoted by both Bush, GOP as well as Hillary in a time where anti-war dissent could get you fired from MSM.

I am sure that both you, and Hillary will appreciate the anti- war books coming out about these subjects. I can promise you that Hillary Will NOT look good in at least one of them.
So how sure are you that she will make the right decision the 5th time as commander in chief when she couldn't get it right the first four times?



"They won by 21.6% you say? Let's ignore the will of the people and trust our "Super" delegates to make the right decision for them. We'll get their votes at a later date somehow."

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
2. I'm getting sick of Hillary defending war criminals.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

But that's the difference between Hillary and Bernie supporters. You're offended by fingers, I'm offended by illegal wars and genocide.

riversedge

(70,197 posts)
7. @HillaryClinton: "I do not believe a vote in 2002 is a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016" #
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

Great line from Hillary

HuffPost Politics Verified account ?@HuffPostPol 2m2 minutes ago

.@HillaryClinton: "I do not believe a vote in 2002 is a plan to defeat ISIS in 2016" #DemDebate http://huff.to/20YD6HS

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
49. Hillary didn't just vote for Iraq
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

She unabashedly shilled for it on the Senate floor, while Robert Byrd gave an impassioned speech against it.

And Bernie spoke out against it in the House.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
89. Exactly
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:27 AM
Feb 2016

Byrd's speech was a powerful plea for sanity. He challenged the rush to war and spoke of the waste of war. But some like HRC were thinking of political aspirations and showed moral and political cowardice.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
79. Yes
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

but cowardly votes from Democrats who had their eyes on the White House gave GWB bipartisan cover.

What's worse is that the Bush White House pushed for the IWR vote just before the 2002 midterms, clearly a political ploy that many saw as such. Many a Jane and John Q Public also knew that IWR was ridiculous since Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, the others from Yemen, Egypt, UAE) and had been under under horrific US pushed, UN imposed sanctions since the first Bush/Iraq war in 1991. In October 2002, HRC had 4 years to go in her 1st term, knew about PNAC and had a constituency that opposed such action. But her vote wasn't about what NY wanted, it was about her... and her White House aspirations. Adding insult to injury, she gave an speech justifying her action!

So regardless of what GWB would have done, her aye vote puts blood on her hands. And now she cannot dodge the death, destruction, debt and destabilization that war caused or the ongoing dire consequences of it throughout the ME and even stateside.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
39. That war would have taken place with or without the IWR. If the Congress
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

had not passed it that fall, then the new Republican Congress would have passed an even broader one in January.

Hillary, Biden, and Kerry were among the Democrats who hoped that passing an IWR conditioned on finding WMD's would keep Bush from going in there. It didn't.

But that vote didn't make a bit of difference.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
59. Yes, I can. Here's the evidence.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

The IWR, as written, was about enforcing the UN resolutions regarding WMD's.

It turned out that there were no WMD's in Iraq. Bush ignored the conditions in the IWR and, in March, went to war anyway. With the full support of the Repubs in Congress. If Obama had ever done such a thing he would have been impeached. But Bush could ignore the conditions in the resolution and get the full support of the GOP.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
100. PNAC comprised of the Bush cabal
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

wanted to invade Iraq and carve up its oil fields and they used 9/11 as an excuse to do just that. IWR was pushed by the Bush White House just before the 2002 midterm elections, clearly s political ploy. And everyone with a grain of brain knew Bush was going to go to war and use IWR as his authorization. It was not about inspectors. The Bushes had called the inspectors home because they had found no WMDs and that went against the needed narrative.

HRC, Biden, Dodd, Edwards and Kerry failed the test of judgment. Period

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
43. Iraq War and ISIS
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:44 PM
Feb 2016

You are right the Iraq war had a huge effect on the creation of ISIS, it irks me that that people are sweeping that vote under the table.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
11. Good thing I don't vote on "optics", or I'd probably
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Feb 2016

not be backing the old man with the wild hair in the first place.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
65. Thanks. Good luck with Kissinger.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:05 AM
Feb 2016


Valentines Day is coming up. Do you think they'll be sending each other
boxes of candy, to celebrate their individual connections
to various war crimes perpetrated by this country?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
6. Welcome to the club.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

I was sick of her YELLING over him the past few debates to interrupt him.

Waving a finger is much more polite.

 

californiabernin

(421 posts)
9. It's because she keeps saying things that imply things which are not the case.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

That is annoying. She ought to stop doing that.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
10. He's not going to let Hillary misrepresent his record..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:31 PM
Feb 2016

..I'm glad he is going right back at her. And I think he has to.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
86. She's had lots of practice...throwing out garbage and enjoying the results. Her passivity indicates
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

pre-intention. It's kind of like the "When did you stop beating your wife?" attack ... it's slimy and controlling and intentional.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
23. I thought he was mugging for the cameras on purpose.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:34 PM
Feb 2016


They had a split screen in the last debate, didn't they? So he should know it could happen.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
41. The split screen is intermittent.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

This is his genuine self...he is not mugging. He talks with his hands. It is part of how he interacts. I think his advisers were wise to not make him over into something he is not. I know hand and body movements of a speaker can be distracting, but I just remember that it is part of the experience of being able to hear ideas from others that I might otherwise not be able to.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
44. It's not just that. He keeps trying to interrupt her. And he shakes his head and
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

mouths things while she's speaking.

Studies have shown that women are much more likely to be interrupted by men than the other way around. And -- even though I think Bernie is probably an equal-opportunity-interrupter -- watching this, it seems to be an example of this in action.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
61. He is signaling to the moderator when he wants to reply.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

He didn't actually interrupt that I saw, but I didn't see every moment, so maybe I missed him doing so. I seem to recall that in the first couple debates that Hillary actually did interupt the other candidates.

Their camera operator should not have been doing a split screen. It's rude to the one speaking, but I know, they want those gotcha moments.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
64. He interrupted her repeatedly. If you watch it again I think you'll see.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:04 AM
Feb 2016

I agree with you about the split screen. It was very distracting.

Chezboo

(230 posts)
139. Yes, Devine said Bernie is aware that he's always on the split screen in response to
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:44 AM
Feb 2016

host question. Devine was on With All Due Respect/msnbc today. There is no video on that segment that I can find.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
21. He is showing her...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

How to REALLY wag her finger at her banker donors with conviction and authority. Thinking about getting her one of those foam hands so she can get her point across as she says with her charming voice "Cut that out boys!" with that foam finger.







pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
34. They know he'd like to rebut, just like they know Hillary wants to rebut.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

He doesn't need to wave his finger to show it. She doesn't.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
95. Perhaps you should check with the Iraqis...get their opinion...they are the true victims here.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:31 AM
Feb 2016

What one million dead or wounded? Has nothing to do with a "pass on foreign affairs". Absurd.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
35. You would be angry too if lies were being told about you
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:40 PM
Feb 2016

And that little "mistake" in 2002 created the mess we're in today.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
37. The vote in 2002 was was the Iraq war.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:41 PM
Feb 2016

It was a big deal, and had far reaching consequences even on to today. He should keep mentioning his vote against the war. I wanted to add that the war may not have been a big deal to you, but my dad went to that war he came back different. He told me some of his friends were killed. However I was lucky my dad came back intact. Many didn't come back at all, and many came back broken. millions of Iraqis were killed. So, please forgive me for thinking that 2002 vote for the Iraq war was and is still a big deal.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
28. Hillary keeps throwing crap trying to obscure things..
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:37 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is anticipating and responding to everything she flings.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
48. What's up with the finger??
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:50 PM
Feb 2016

Then when he does get a chance, he doesn't even deal with the thing he was mouthing "no" about.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
99. At some point, that is what you must do with a slime-slinger. You just move out of the way and
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:34 AM
Feb 2016

let it stand there...because it is intended to start a fight. In time, they start to hear themselves and tone it down, at least. If it sounds like I understand this, it is because I went through it.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
54. Would you rather he yell "Liar!"
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:56 PM
Feb 2016

when Hillary regurgitates falsehoods?

I think he is very polite under the circumstance.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
57. AND, if Hillary were coughing on stage
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:58 PM
Feb 2016

as much as Bernie has the past two debates, just imagine the attacks that would be launched against her!

krawhitham

(4,644 posts)
60. It is a signal to the moderators that he wants to respond to the current question
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:01 AM
Feb 2016

But I think you know that

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
66. And what about the head shaking, wagging his finger at HILLARY, grimacing, etc.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:06 AM
Feb 2016

What was that supposed to signal?

And why did he have to signal anything to the moderator? Hillary wasn't behaving like that.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
83. He's being disingenuous when he makes his huge promises, and it doesn't make
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:24 AM
Feb 2016

her go into paroxysms.

If it did, the commentators would laugh her off the stage. Can you seriously imagine a woman succeeding in a debate with his body language?

azmom

(5,208 posts)
71. No. She is not. She's running out
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

The clock. The more she talks, the less questions can be asked of her.

MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
155. Ironically...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:33 AM
Feb 2016

Flava Flav used that clock to "Show suckas what time it is". So I agree completely.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
70. That's very subjective. I see a man signaling he has something to say but staying quiet
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:14 AM
Feb 2016

while a woman is speaking.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
72. Many of those "signals" weren't at the moderator. He was wagging his finger at HILLARY.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

And shaking his head and muttering, coughing, and pursing his lips while she was speaking.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
73. He from New York City...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:17 AM
Feb 2016

... and thus thinks he knows better than everyone else.


And the way I know that is I am a New Yorker as well who has the same arrogance.


I am a Clinton supporter buy the way.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
76. I was in NYC several years ago, after many years away.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:19 AM
Feb 2016

And it was a little surprising -- how much rudeness you run into, just going about your business. For example, sales clerks who didn't make the least attempt to be polite, much less friendly.

Either I'd forgotten that or it's gotten worse over the years.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
88. Hillary was a top diplomat. And she was successful because she was TACTFUL.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:27 AM
Feb 2016

Even finding something nice to say about Kissinger.

You don't succeed diplomatically by publicly ripping people you might need help from, no matter how you might feel about them personally.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
117. I can say $hillary and Kissinger fight together to destroy left wing movements
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:11 AM
Feb 2016

What side are you on?

trueblue2007

(17,205 posts)
82. BERNIE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUDE.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:22 AM
Feb 2016

his hand waving was distracting and rude. Hillary never once interruped Bernie. He starting pointing his finger and waving his hand before she got 33 words out of her mouth.

Would he act that way to world leaders??

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
84. That's what I was wondering. Because I don't think he can control it anymore.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:25 AM
Feb 2016

It's part of his "authentic" self.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
104. She had a very calm, measured voice. That's condescending, apparently.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:45 AM
Feb 2016

There is no way Hillary could ever behave that wouldn't be subject to attack by haters.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
123. she isn't just scolding Bernie.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:18 AM
Feb 2016

She's scolding all of us. With an air of superiority as if it's too too tiresome that she has to constantly have to tell us how great she is. It's very, very old and worn. I'm sick of it.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
143. EXACTLY
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:58 AM
Feb 2016

With a smug half-smile. It says this to me: "You are really stupid for not embracing me as the winner I am."

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
145. she isn't good at masking how she ReALLY feels. she looks like she is always seething
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:01 AM
Feb 2016

about something.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
146. that's because she IS.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:03 AM
Feb 2016

The word that comes to my mind is "exasperated." She always looks exasperated on the campaign trail.

TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
97. That's not true
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:32 AM
Feb 2016

And I'm sick of Hillary talking forever moving from one thing to the next and the next before Bernie can rebut any of the many inconsistencies in her arguments and the moderators try to move on.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
103. Personally, I prefer to see someone respond with feeling. The Perfect Mask with The Perfectly
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:41 AM
Feb 2016

Polished and Canned Script...not so much.

Bernie is human and has not, thankfully, learned the art of Craven Political Bullshit.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
105. Yeah, sure. That's exactly how you'd react if it was a 74 year old white haired lady
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:46 AM
Feb 2016

standing on stage, waving her arms, shaking her head, wagging her fingers, pursing her lips, grimacing, and otherwise distracting from the other debater.

A 68 year old woman wouldn't be allowed to go into paroxysms while a man is speaking. She'd be laughed off the stage.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
109. Good lord, it gets deep. Yes, women are victims. And you're right. If someone is lying about
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

"this woman" I'd absolutely respect it, if not expect it. No one has the right to lie about someone then laugh at how they respond...not even HRC. She will learn that again the hard way, I predict.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
178. Well I see Hillary doing plenty of head shaking
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:29 AM
Feb 2016

and pulling lots of grimaces, but it's not worth getting bent out of shape.

I just know Bernie is putting out the facts and Hillary hates to have them presented.

It's not a big deal though. After Hillary loses the primary he won't hold all of your hate against you and will welcome you into the fold.

johnnyrocket

(1,773 posts)
106. I'm getting sick of pro-corporate Hillary trying to wiggle into the Whitehouse...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

...with whatever she thinks she needs to say...just to get there.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
108. "wiggle."
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:49 AM
Feb 2016

Uh-huh.

The only person doing a significant amount of wiggling tonight was Bernie. But his supporters call it "being authentic."

MFM008

(19,806 posts)
110. thats one thing that bothers me about Bernie
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

He seems one minute away from yelling 'get offa my lawn'.
Now he doesnt come close to John McCain but still........

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
111. I'm getting sick of all the blood dripping from HRC's hands:
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:51 AM - Edit history (1)

I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands

Rolling Stones, "You Can't Always Get What You Want"

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
112. Maybe she shouldn't lie so much and misrepresent facts with such ease
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

I'd wag my finger too if she was throwing baseless attacks.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
118. I agree about the finger waving.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:12 AM
Feb 2016

When there were more than two people on stage, it was a way of saying to the moderator, "please call on me next, I have a response to that." But when it's only the two of them up there, it's kinda obvious who is going to speak next when one person finishes. I wish he'd stop doing that.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
136. What does this mean? It isn't a get well card.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:34 AM
Feb 2016

" Hopefully you'll be able to convalesce during your time-out."

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
125. I'm tired of Hilary wearing that smug, condescending, arrogant smirk on her face while
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie speaks truths. There, tit for tat and all of that!! Feel the Bern!!!!!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
130. He doesn't let a cold keep him down. Powered right through it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:28 AM
Feb 2016

He is remarkable--handles colds way better than I do and I'm 20 years younger than he. Mine are 6 days long and I'm in bed for 2 of those days. They wipe me out.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
150. the common cold kills people all the time
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:09 AM
Feb 2016

seriously it's no joke the common cold is sometimes called influenza it's a virus

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
152. have you tried Sambucus? The concentrated liquid does really seem to boost my immunity
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:13 AM
Feb 2016

when I feel a cold or flu coming on. That and oil of oregano seem to be helping me avoid illness. Had a nasty case of pneumonia a few years back, had to work through it and it took about 6 weeks to clear out. Found out about Sambucus after that! Stay well!

chillfactor

(7,574 posts)
154. agreed....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:21 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders really was distracting.....Hillary waited patiently will Sanders talked...he did not have the courtesy to do the same.

dchill

(38,474 posts)
156. I'm getting sick of Hillary trying to co-opt Bernie's message.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:38 AM
Feb 2016

She has no sense of decency, no real campaign of her own. Except "dammit, it's MY turn!"

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
174. Well, if he were angry and mean he'd have just given her the finger instead of waving it
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

Ever consider that maybe he was just being polite, not wanting to rudely just talk over her?

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
161. He should be a political Science teacher....
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:33 AM
Feb 2016

Cause he's great at pointing the problems, over and over and over again! I get depressed every time! No positivity about this country whatsoever anywhere in his message at any time! Every other country is better than us in everything is the takeaway! I have bever seen anyone running for President win with that approach!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
167. That's what people who know how so many are suffering and have worked all
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

their lives to help are like.

My Paramedic instructor through SIAST was the same, he kind of scared some of us, but we were made aware right at the beginning how seriously we needed to take every word he said. GREAT instructor.

Sanders has never said every other country is better than the U.S. He's compared programs and policies to yours and offered them as good examples that may help millions.

I think you're either trying to put words into his mouth, or purposefully misrepresenting what he says.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
164. I'm tired of people being so sensitive.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Feb 2016

If Hillary can't contend with a 74 year old man waving his finger, she has no business running for president.

Jersey Devil

(9,874 posts)
171. Maybe he ought to poke her in the eye with the finger
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:28 AM
Feb 2016

Oh, horrors, Bernie is threatening Hillary with his waving finger. Is anyone safe?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
172. He is quietly signaling the moderators that he wants to respond.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:30 AM
Feb 2016

It is only the split screen that is throwing you.


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