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[jkbRN]

1. Bank rolled by big pharma, she can have him

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[Hoyt]

31. Another respected Democrat thrown under the bus for no friggin reason.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. It really makes you wonder.....

If by some miracle Bernie does end up becoming President, who the hell can he work with to get single payer, free college and $15 minimum wage through Congress?

Every good Dem in the Congress has been thrown under the bus by Team Bernie.

There's nobody left to work with.

[Hoyt]

42. Exactly. As a candidate, Clinton should expect criticism. The PissedAnt contigent that supports

bashing good Democrats like Clyburn and Lewis may be relatively small, but they darn sure aren't acting like today's Democrats,. . . . . . . Dixiecrats maybe.

[still_one]

49. It may really take a miricle. I may going out on a limb here, but when a lot of

people are thrown under the bus, such as John Lewis, Clyburn, PP, NARAL, and other individuals and groups, if Bernie did get the nomination, those supporters and groups who have been treated so uncivilly, may not have much enthusiasm for him in a general election.

[notadmblnd]

53. Bull shit.

How is pointing out where his money is coming from, throwing him under the bus? The name of the website is Open Secrets, so obviously he's not ashamed of taking money from big pharma.

[aikoaiko]

74. It's true. Clyburn was quoted saying, "I'm pouting because someone on DU threw me under the bus."

[uponit7771]

83. +1

[DrDan]

47. it really is quite sad how quickly these previously-respected legislators are abandoned

says a lot about BS supporters . . . again

[vdogg]

77. It's getting mighty packed under that bus

They're gonna need a bigger one before primary season is up I think.

[madokie]

71. In effect

from looking at this an endorsement of Hillary is really an endorsement for Bernie. In the fact this is the system that Bernie is running against to begin with

So Jim go ahead and prove the man right, I love it

[tokenlib]

2. well of course he will

..they just keep cashing in their chips, and trickling out these endorsements to reinforce the inevitability of Hillary...I'm not impressed..

[Stallion]

3. Yeah Take Another Shot at a Democrat

99% of elected officials are going to support Clinton too. Maybe they are a whole lot smarter than you. When you are reduced to claiming that 99% of democratic officeholders are bought and paid for then you have jumped ship

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Maybe they aren't. That's a little silly.

We don't know these people.

Everyone in this forum needs to calm down.

[bigwillq]

27. Keep Calm and Bye Felicia

[ScreamingMeemie]

41. ...

[Skwmom]

6. Prediction: If Clinton is the nominee, people will leave the Democratic Party in droves. And

putting the equivalent of Mother Theresa on the ticket with her won't stop that.

[Ron Green]

5. Only the most brave and bold (of the insiders) will go against

this system. Real change is a tall order, and we may not be ready for it.

[restorefreedom]

7. i don't believe for a second

that obama will keep his fingers off this. he will do everything legally allowed within his office to tilt this for hillary


they keep making bernies case for him, its almost like they secretly want him to win...

[Orangepeel]

26. well, he's *legally* allowed to outright endorse and campaign for anyone he wants

so, no, he's not doing everything legally allowed

[restorefreedom]

38. he will do it under the radar. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

76. You must have good intelligence on this

[restorefreedom]

78. lol. he will not be too obvious. nt

[vdogg]

79. So what if he does?

She was his Secretary of state, of course he supports her. Don't think you'd be complaining if he was backing Bernie....

[restorefreedom]

80. he should stay out of it, imo. nt

[WI_DEM]

8. Of course people like Clyburn & John Lewis

people who really fought the fight for Civil Rights--would only endorse Hillary Clinton if they were bought and paid for according to some Bernie supporters.

[CorkySt.Clair]

22. Everyone is bought and paid for according to Bernie supporters

I guess those who don't support him should be grateful they aren't calling for the return of the guillotine.

Yet.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Yep. The more keep bashing iconic black heroes that don't support Bernie, the more black people

will continue to move away from the possibility of Sanders.

Keep going.

[Empowerer]

9. Good endorsement for Clinton

And Bernie supporters REALLY need to think twice before coming after this man. He is golden in South Carolina. If you have any hope of swinging any of the black vote to Sanders, you'd best not come for Jim Clyburn.

Oh, and by the way, Jim Clyburn DID march with Dr. King. In South Carolina and Alabama. And went to Southern jails.

Y'all had better tread verrrry lightly where he's concerned.

[Punkingal]

10. Well of course he will endorse Clinton. Duh.

As for pressure...how many times do you suppose Bill has called him?

[Empowerer]

14. How many times has Bernie called him?

[Punkingal]

16. probably none...I would guess Bernie knows how things are.

Establishment is establishment.

[Empowerer]

19. Or maybe Bernie's failure to even bother to reach out to the highly respected and hugely powerful

Clyburn is the problem.

Treating people like they don't matter and don't count and can't help you is not a very good strategy for getting votes from a constituency that you claim you want to win over . . .

[Punkingal]

23. Do you always make stuff up as if it is a fact? I don't know whether he called him or not.

And neither do you.

[DrDan]

58. you seem quite certain Bill called him putting on the pressure . . . inside knowledge?

[frylock]

63. Past history.

Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the most powerful African-American in Congress, recalls a 2am phone call he received from Bill Clinton after Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2008 South Carolina primary.

Clyburn stayed neutral in the primary, however Bill Clinton didn't think so.

"If you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one," Clinton said according to Clyburn.

"He was very upset," Clyburn recalled. "His wife had just suffered a major defeat in the South Carolina primary, and I had not been involved in it, but Bill Clinton thought otherwise."

"We met by accident several weeks later… we've seen each other several times since. In fact, I had a lovely breakfast with Hillary two to three years after that. I think everything's okay," Clyburn told ABC News' Jeff Zeleny in an interview aired on Yahoo!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/12/clyburn_on_2008_bill_clinton_told_me_if_you_bastards_want_a_fight_you_damn_well_will_get_one.html

[DrDan]

65. yet he endorses her now - interesting

[frylock]

67. Yes indeed.

[vdogg]

86. Sounds like they buried the hatchet

And moved forward like adults.

[Punkingal]

70. Yeah...been watching them since 1992.

[SheenaR]

24. Why did he wait so long then

Just curious

And I like how plugged in you are to the happenings. You know who Bernie talks to, who he doesn't talk to. You know why certain officials think the way they do.

Kudos to your connections into the establishment. We could all learn from your inside access

[Empowerer]

28. Yes, you could learn a lot from me

Pay attention.

[SheenaR]

29. You know what you can go do?

Ok.. Go do it.

[frylock]

64. +9

[JonLeibowitz]

30. Because if you announce all your endorsements in August then you have no control over the press

in February. Endorsements allow you to strategically write news stories on days where it would help you. See: CBC PAC's endorsement shortly after getting walloped in NH.

[SheenaR]

33. This is a very good response

Thank you. I more or less was asking the other person because they seemingly knew everything about him.

It just seemed odd that the story line was "Clyburn is waiting..."

You make a good point though.

[JonLeibowitz]

54. I should clarify -- there are undoubtedly those who make decisions as the race progresses

However, there are likely far more who are strategically deployed at opportune times

It is impossible to know which camp Clyburn falls into. In some sense it is more strategic for Clyburn to have waited.

[bettyellen]

50. Timing is everything! Bernie waited till after NH to money bomb AAs and chase their vote hard.

South Carolina is coming, and the CBC is always ALL over SC. That is when they have the spotlight.

[notadmblnd]

55. Well it is Friday, so I don't think most people are really paying attention

If that's any consolation.

[JonLeibowitz]

56. Uh, Clyburn hasn't endorsed. They won't dump Clyburn's endorsement in the "Friday trashdump"

Have no fear, his endorsement will be strategically deployed.

[LiberalArkie]

60. Results on your post below.

On Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So why do all the HRC supporters have their panties in a bunch over it today?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1216706

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[rbrnmw]

62. Because of the SC Primary his endorsement carries weight there

[frylock]

61. And at what hour?

Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the most powerful African-American in Congress, recalls a 2am phone call he received from Bill Clinton after Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2008 South Carolina primary.

Clyburn stayed neutral in the primary, however Bill Clinton didn't think so.

"If you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one," Clinton said according to Clyburn.

"He was very upset," Clyburn recalled. "His wife had just suffered a major defeat in the South Carolina primary, and I had not been involved in it, but Bill Clinton thought otherwise."

"We met by accident several weeks later… we've seen each other several times since. In fact, I had a lovely breakfast with Hillary two to three years after that. I think everything's okay," Clyburn told ABC News' Jeff Zeleny in an interview aired on Yahoo!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/12/clyburn_on_2008_bill_clinton_told_me_if_you_bastards_want_a_fight_you_damn_well_will_get_one.html

[Nanjeanne]

11. I always expected him to support Clinton

the fact that he is getting pressure BEFORE the SC primary - makes me think the internals for the Clinton camp just aren't as great as they thought they would be.

I don't think this is going to make much of a difference when I think most people already thought he had endorsed her.

There are still many younger African American SC state reps out supporting Sanders and they are already doing town halls and other meetings, some with Ben Jealous.

Personally, I found this part of the article very disturbing:

Former President Bill Clinton was accused of dismissing Obama’s win because he was black, saying another black presidential candidate, the Rev. Jesse Jackson won the S.C. primaries in 1984 and 1988.

Clyburn said in his 2014 memoir that Bill Clinton called him on the night of the 2008 primary and blamed him for his wife’s loss, quoting the former president as saying, “If you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one.”

Regarding the incident eight years ago, Clyburn has said he had no hard feelings toward the Clintons.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article59441288.html#storylink=cpy

[frylock]

66. Shoot, he's getting pressure before Nevada..

how bad are things there?

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. and I should be surprised exactly how? This is DC for god sakes.

[Empowerer]

13. Some of the CBC members who were holding off on endorsing are moving up their endorsement

in the wake of the attacks on John Lewis yesterday.

[Skwmom]

21. Yeah, and I wonder who was behind those attacks.....

[Fawke Em]

34. Attacks from people who aren't Bernie supporters.

Click on their names in these stories. There are only TWO who could be IDed as Bernie supporters. The rest are just random assholes on Twitter.

[bettyellen]

36. And the DUers that attacked Lewis? And this OP alleging Clyburn was shaking down candidates

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)

to get pork for an endorsement?
What is your theory about those attacks?

[frylock]

69. Yeah, that's why.

[bettyellen]

15. so he is automatically corrupt according to your theory? Weren't you hoping for his endorsement?

Are you implying he would have endorsed Paul Ryan? If not- what is that comment about?

[boston bean]

35. I hope to see the OP respond to your comment.

[bettyellen]

45. I'm getting bupkis!

[Skwmom]

72. Your comment makes no sense. n/t

[bettyellen]

73. Repeating clear Qs: 1) Why mention "Paul Ryan"? 2) Are you making accusations of corruption?

Hope that helps clear up your confusion!

[Lucinda]

17. Did you even read the artcle?

"...Clyburn said his wife and daughter had been telling him that the state's Democrats "want to hear from me." One of his younger brothers urged him, "You've got to take a stand."...

You are calling him a liar and implying Obama has made a deal with him?

[Skwmom]

32. Clyburn said endorsing Bernie Sanders was implausible. See added comments above.

[Beacool]

18. Another good endorsement!!!

[cali]

20. Congratulations to Hillary.

[AtomicKitten]

37. FWIW. In New Hampshire, not much.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. SMH

[SwampG8r]

43. No surprise there

Nice guy i saw him in an airport years back i waved he waved back.
Hes done a lot of good for america.

[Nanjeanne]

44. Interesting that the same CBCPAC won't endorse activist Donna Edwards

basically because some African American politicians in Maryland are supporting establishment candidate Chris Van Hollen.

I thought the idea of this PAC was to support getting African Americans elected - but not in this case!

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/black-caucus-pac-donna-edwards-219214

[bettyellen]

46. So then you think they'd endorse Ben Carson? Sorry- after all the vote for Carly (with your vagina)

posts I have seen here, I thought I would flip it for you. Context!

[Nanjeanne]

48. Are you equating a progressive black Democrat like Donna Edwards with Ben Carson or Carly

No I don't expect anyone to vote with their vagina. I expect the Progressive Black Caucus to vote with their head for a black progressive even if she is going against a white middle-of-the-road establishment candidate in a primary.

But hey - whatever floats your boat.

[bettyellen]

52. Just mocking all the posts asking if Dem women would vote for Carly because "vagina" .

Not inclined or knowledgable enough to second guess the PBC, but have at it.

[jfern]

87. It's like how Hillary supports women politicians except when they're actually

liberals like Teachout, then they have to be taken down by a corrupt man.

[basselope]

51. Establishment politicians endorsing establishment candidate... more news at 11.

[frylock]

59. I hope that Bill was courteous enough to call at a reasonable hour this time.

Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the most powerful African-American in Congress, recalls a 2am phone call he received from Bill Clinton after Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2008 South Carolina primary.

Clyburn stayed neutral in the primary, however Bill Clinton didn't think so.

"If you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one," Clinton said according to Clyburn.

"He was very upset," Clyburn recalled. "His wife had just suffered a major defeat in the South Carolina primary, and I had not been involved in it, but Bill Clinton thought otherwise."

"We met by accident several weeks later… we've seen each other several times since. In fact, I had a lovely breakfast with Hillary two to three years after that. I think everything's okay," Clyburn told ABC News' Jeff Zeleny in an interview aired on Yahoo!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/12/clyburn_on_2008_bill_clinton_told_me_if_you_bastards_want_a_fight_you_damn_well_will_get_one.html

[restorefreedom]

68. i would say unbelievable,

but its aaaalllll too believable in clintonworld...

[Gothmog]

75. James Clyburn is a very important endorsement

Clyburn has a great GOTV operation

[jillan]

81. I would expect no less. He has been close to the Clintons for a very long time.

[ChiciB1]

82. I No Longer Care About Endorsements By TPTB...

I care about truth and integrity. I'm FED UP and sick to death of this OMG so and so endorsed. Search your soul and ask the question... who has what to gain if they're the nominee? Who do you think cares more? Who is the one who hasn't sold out? Who is the one who's asking nothing more than our support? Who is the one asking for adoration AND the one feels they're entitled? Who is the one who is taking all the money? Who is the one covering too many people's ASSES?

Then ask yourself, why would ONE MAN take on Goliath and put himself through this kind of hell just because he wants POWER! Bernie Sanders isn't running because he feels entitled, he's doing it because he believes ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and the time has come ask "we the people" to fight for OUR COUNTRY!

There's no glory in being vilified and in knowing you've walked into a shit storm. The ask yourself IF YOU had the cohones to even DARE to try!!

How many here are really and truly happy with MORE OF THE SAME? Why would a man subject himself to such animosity if he didn't feel it's THE time for SOMEBODY to WAKE THE F--K UP! You want to keep the fat cats happy? You want to have endless wars? You want to try to get help from our Congress Critters who only serve up platitudes? How many of them have helped us??

Please tell me the last time ONE of them gave YOU the time of the day!

Go ahead, vote for more GREEDY BASTARDS! I won't!

[libdem4life]

84. In the midst of all of this political turmoil, the power of endorsements is declining, IMO. n/t

[superkona]

85. Watch this video, specifically the last few minutes - and tell me he's not about to endorse Sanders

When watching this interview, I see a man that is about to side with the younger generation and ROCK the establishment.

"Taking a stand", does not match up with backing Clinton in 2016.

http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2016/02/11/80217806/