2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBill Clinton throw Obama under the bus (video)
This video shows Bill blaming Obama for Wall St corruption - which is of course funding his wife's campaign... if only Obama had done a better job making change then his wife wouldn't be so beholden to the rigged system... but don't worry, Hillary is only beholden to the rigged system until she's President... then she'll really make change... like using mob money to set up the FBI to fight the mob... what could go wrong...


uponit7771
(89,927 posts)... Bill makes.
Sanders is now running away from his consommate Obama bashing and I've not seen hide or hair of his Obama bashers Cornell West or Bigga.
Authentic my ass...
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)he was running on the idea of continuing Obama's legacy, you'd have a point, but a campaign like Hillary's which is based on the Obama legacy can't embrace it, then on the other hand trash it as being responsible for a rigged financial system.
This is the problem Clinton has - she can't pretend to be Sanders - her new strategy - without figuring out a way to talk about the corrupt financial system that ALSO shields her from criticism......
This is just attempt one - blame Obama... she's corrupt because of Obama, but don't worry she'll continue his legacy...
That's what happens when you lie all the time - eventually your lies run into each other and your narrative collapses... Hillary 2016.
uponit7771
(89,927 posts)... said about him NOT continue Obama's legacy cause he knows damn well he'll be rejected out right.
Clinton doesn't need to be Sanders just a continuation of one of the most popular and progressive dem presidents in US history.
Bill Clinton obviously went off script, I have yet to see this as a theme of the Clinton's being to blame Obama as Sanders has...
That's not passing mustered now
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)I don't want to be that guy but, before I respond to that:
It's pass muster... no one is "passing mustered". And consummate, not "consommate".
And "hide nor hair" not "hide or hair".
But I digress.
"What's NOT authentic is Sanders NOT being straight up with voters and saying exactly what you said about him NOT continue Obama's legacy cause he knows damn well he'll be rejected out right."
If I understand this, you are saying that Sanders should be more clear about wanting to do something different to what Obama has done. Like free university education, and universal health care? Like decriminalising cannabis on a federal level? Like putting a tax on the wealthy to fund social programs?
It's ABSOLUTELY clear that Sanders wants to start with what we have that's working and making it better - as he sees things. And if something is NOT working, change it. No one is confused by this but you seemingly. It's pretty much the whole reason people support Sanders...
uponit7771
(89,927 posts)... Obama, associating his campaign with overt racialized bomb throwers like West and Bigga like he did in IA who, by the whey, are suspiciously missing from his current scene in SC ....establishes that.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)He doesn't DISLIKE Obama, and has made that very clear. That's just you projecting.
He DISLIKES some of his policies, or in many cases thinks they're half-measures.
As for CW and KM, maybe you just haven't been paying attention?
http://counton2.com/2016/01/12/dr-cornel-west-to-speak-at-sc-state/
http://thetandd.com/community/cornel-west-to-campaign-at-scsu-for-sanders/article_91a49ada-9ed2-5a7e-a98b-32e4984e11aa.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/4/1418558/-Bernie-Sanders-3-Town-Halls-With-Cornell-West-in-South-Carolina-on-September-12-2015
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-mlk-killer-mike-cornel-west-164601381.html
uponit7771
(89,927 posts)...2. Doesn't "dislike" = still not good enough and Sanders is not going to say in front of the SEC state audiences who are full of PoC what he's been saying for the last 3 years, even in the recent debates Sanders hugged Obama with faint passing of what he's been saying for the last 3 years at least.
Disengionous...
Don't be fake Sanders, you don't like Obama and tell the people why...
He knows damn well a good portion of his campaign hinges on people not knowing how disastrous the 2010 election was for America and the historically gerrymandered GOP congress
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)that it's only February?
And you also should click the links because there's things from 2016.. I don't EXPECT you to be thorough, but it would be nice.
Disengionous is not a word.
"Doesn't "dislike" = still not good enough and Sanders is not going to say in front of the SEC state audiences who are full of PoC what he's been saying for the last 3 years, even in the recent debates Sanders hugged Obama with faint passing of what he's been saying for the last 3 years at least."
This is very hard to comprehend; could you please rewrite it carefully. ^^ For instance, what does " hugged Obama with faint passing of what he's been saying for the last 3 years at least" mean?
I can kinda surmise your "point" however, and I'd say this: not good enough for whom? For the millions still without healthcare or access to college education? Or not good enough for people that prefer Party and the cult of personality over progress? Because, I - and Sanders supporters - aren't into the cult of personality - neither is Sanders. This is not a biography contest, but a war of ideas... and if your ideas leave millions uneducated or without a proper education, then your ideas stink.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)He's done that to his wife repeatedly throughout their marriage and in her earlier campaigns.
With things in such disarray in her campaign, and him second guessing Mook daily, we can expect many, many more "off-script" moments from him.
My impression that his off-script moments, like Chelsea's
"Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance,"
are slip-ups which tell us what the Clintons, in their delusions, say to each other over the breakfast table - that is if they ever just sat around a simple breakfast table.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
boston bean
(36,078 posts)EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)but you can if you do...
I assume you mean the part where he diminished Obama's race, saying "everyone is mixed race" ....
uponit7771
(89,927 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)They're supposed to be wrapping themselves in Obama right now. Let's hope their 'target audience' is paying attention....
joshcryer
(62,235 posts)Hillary embraces in minority states.
Then Hillary says she doesn't agree with her husband about that, but she appreciates that he thinks she'd be an even better President, etc, passes off a joke that it's what husbands would say.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)The level of cynicism thst sort of strategy requires.
It requires think that POC are just too dumb to figure out that they're being played. That POC are so monolithic and thst their vote can be so taken for granted that one side of the campaign can attack Obama while the other side promises to continue his legacy.
It's disgusting.
joshcryer
(62,235 posts)If it weren't for the Clintons. I'd never suggest it outside of that couple.