Hillary Clinton isn’t a feminist; she is just politically ambitious

... will be an article claiming Hillary doesn't have good enough shoes to be a woman or something.

Just noise

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Repeat it enough times.... claim that we all need to listen to right wing sources, like Priebus. Yep, if The Republican National Committee chairman says it's true... well by golly you better believe a bunch of Bernie supporters are going to post it as fact.

Just sayin.... I mean this just happened here in this thread. I'm not making shit up.

All that shows is that the Hill camp knows how to move figures around to try to cover up the inequity in pay.

Not convincing.

DU is like being on a RW site. 24/7 attacks on the Clintons, even when they are unfounded lies.

Well established as working on issues for some women, the Godly, the wealthy, the straight and the cis.

trustworthiness, authenticity, idealism, hope are what Bernie is offering. Her? Not so much.

Ask the women of Honduras, Iraq, Libya and Syria how Hillary's regime change is working for them. Ask the 3-strikes widows, who's kids are forced to raise themselves, how welfare reform is working for them. Ask the mothers and sisters of the "gangs of super-predators" how Hillary is helping them.

Besides, her claim to have put a million cracks in the glass ceiling rings false, when in fact she largely rode her husband's political career to this point.

... I do mind a mindset too focused on one or two issues

Unreal that you actually believe that. He just recognizes that NONE of what he wants to do will get done until we remove the big corporate money from our political system.

The goal was not to elect a woman just because she is a woman, it was to have woman receive an equal chance, based on records and deeds.

I don't like Hillary's record and deeds and words and BFFs; I do like Liz Warren for the job. Simple as that, and it is, IMO, very sexist to expect that I would vote for such an important role based on gender, as if that was more important than anything else, or as if that was the only difference between Hillary and Bernie. That is saying I would support more war, fracking, the TPP, cluster bombs, increased H-1B visas, crippling student debt, private prisons, and the governance of Wall Street, if only the candidate who stands for those things was a man. Nope. That is, really, more magical thinking than anything Bernie has said.

It's kind of like Jackie Robinson, he was the right 1st AA in baseball. It's tough being the 1st, they set the example. Hillary would not be a good example of what women could do in the White House. She represents the old, corrupt system at a time when the people have had enough of TPTB running things through bought off politicians. Warren on the other hand fits much better into the new mold of populist politicians!

and I agree totally, with everything you wrote. The implication that older Democratic women support her more than younger women do may be a myth.

THAT is my objection to her.

There have to be at least 25 million women in this country that would get my vote before I'd vote for her.

vote for Bernie."

to hear what you want to. But do have a lovely day.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

having to listen forever to recordings of Hillary promising to take care of us.

Hillary Clinton is an old-style feminist who would love to be in a mirror world where women have the power men have now. Period. It would not be a better world for everybody, just a flipped world. True feminism has to do with equality, not domination of one group over another.

They focused on the concerns of white middle class women, working class and minority women not that much.

A true feminist is a humanist first.

I suspect many people don't really know what you term "old-style feminists" were actually doing from the second half of the 20th century on, and it troubles me that in an age when we have the equivalent of multiple research libraries at our fingertips people simply repeat the same things I heard when I was stuck in the dusty stacks with the reference works.

Mid-20th century American feminism, known as the second wave, came about in part because women active in the civil rights and antiwar movements encountered such virulent sexism from their supposed allies.

From the beginning the feminist publication Ms. (still with us more than four decades later) dealt with the issues of domestic violence, welfare, the demands on working mothers -- hardly areas known to one demographic but not another.

Gloria Steinem, currently vilified, often with ageist slurs, for that single sentence in her recent interview with Bill Maher, was writing about female genital mutilation, hardly a white suburban issue, back in the 1970s, when Maher was a freshly minted college graduate. It was more than a little stomach-turning to watch him try to mansplain to her about global issues.

The mission of feminists still isn't done, the obstacles are formidable, but it's simply historically inaccurate to depict the people who've done the work for 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years as somehow having let the human race down.

Oh, and the terms humanist and feminist have been keeping company for decades too. Gloria Steinem actually has a funny/sad anecdote about that in one of her essays published in the collection Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions.

were "sleeping with the enemy" so supportive of women. We were just trashy sluts "following the boys" when we should have gone after a law degree. The more things change ...

No I don't have the article anymore and no I'm not making it up. It's the reason I dropped my NOW membership and my subscription.

Silly sensitive me, but I don't like condescension or derision then or now.

...I never see anything to suggest that they pursued military service for questionable reasons, or that they deserve anything less than honorable treatment, or that they're not brave, innovative, strong.

[url]http://www.msmagazine.com/june03/kennedy.asp[/url]

[url]http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?id=9042[/url]

[url]http://msmagazine.com/blog/2012/06/04/the-women-and-people-of-color-who-invented-the-internet/[/url]

Corporate, lean-in feminism is "we can do what men do" not "we can do what we want"

No intersectionality involved. Oh, they celebrate WOC who are like them (well paid, successful), but the rest, not so much.

Feminism has evolved greatly ... corporate feminism keeps real change from happening because they are propped up by the patriarchy, status quo, rigged system.

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Dig Deep: Beyond Lean In

http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/10/17973/


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Feminism has always been about equality, not about reversal.

I turned 60 on January 6. I support Bernie 100%, and cannot even begin to understand why anyone supports Clinton, with her frequent blunders and her heavy baggage. (I know it's de rigueur to call Steinem "iconic," but she really stepped in it--both with her statement about young women "following the boys," and with her insincere apology after the fact.)

She supports outsourcing & more H1B visas.

She supports continued use of clusterbombs, which disproportionately harm children who mistake unexploded bomblets for toys.

She didn't lead on GLBT rights, she waited til the majority of Americans were in support before she 'evolved'

She lacks good judgement (Kissinger as a mentor? Iraq War Resolution?)

She lacks common sense (lying about sniper fire at airport when she knew the reception was filmed?)

I want a WOMAN PRESIDENT
too, but not a woman
president who thinks
exactly like the men
who got us into this
MESS.

There does seem to be a divide between older feminists and younger ones, but she's definitely a feminist.

I just read a few posts from Hillary supporters saying silly stuff about Bernie, and now a post from a Bernie supporter saying something silly about Hillary. There's plenty to not like about Hillary. But she's a feminist.

People seem to have taken leave of their common sense on this primary cycle.

I don't apply that statement to just the Sanders side.

Obviously, the word "feminist" has a complicated and layered definition.

But generally, I don't see Hillary as a "feminist". She rides on Bill's coattails a lot. She's "for" women, but really, who with a brain isn't? She may be a person with a strong personality who likes to have things done her way and makes that happen, but, y'know, so was Leona Helmsley. Just because she's operating in an area that is heavily "a man's world" doesn't necessarily make her a great feminist.

Even at times where I have braced myself because I thought she wouldn't answer the question how I wanted her to.

This is an issue where the two candidates are the same. They are both very strong on women's issues. There are issues were Bernie is a stronger candidate IMO, but this is ridiculous.

How dare a woman be politically ambitious!!


On the flip side, you didn't even use the best part of the article that at least makes the argument:


For me, even as a supporter, this is something I wish her, or her campaign would address. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with the notion that there is nothing she could say that wouldn't be used against her by someone.

She's been a tough advocate for women her whole life. I sincerely believe her warmongering is particularly bad for women and children but she's absolutely a feminist

Look folks, vote for Bernie, work for Bernie, love Bernie, but one thing I know for sure is that Hillary is a feminist. Don't even go there because a lot of women I know will be really pissed off.

has Hillary Clinton ever taken to advance women's rights in her role as a lawyer, senator or sec of state? Saying "cut that out" - not good enough.

A specific to women, practical action, one that might even pose a little risk to her career.

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/hillary-clinton-is-too-ambitious-to-be-the-first-f-11229

If she had have cared about poor women and predator children, her $12 minimum wage would be well on its way just like cities in Oregon with a higher than federal minimum wage dollar figure.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/states/36/locations


$26.19 per hour is the needed living wage for a one child parent in New York.
http://fusion.net/story/171317/15-an-hour-still-isnt-a-living-wage-in-every-single-state/


What has Hillary done to work toward a $12 minimum wage increase in her state of residence, New York, and in reference to the state budget proposals from D-Governor Cuomo? Did she work with the New York Legislature on an increase about the federal minimum wage?

What was Hillary's part in Cuomo's 2013-14 proposal with a $9.00 minimum wage?
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-and-legislative-leaders-announce-early-passage-2013-14-budget


IMO, she has done no background work. I believe that she is untrustworthy over $12.00 per hour minimum wage.

still waiting on that list of Bern's accomplishments that make him worthy of being Prez? Hanging around Congress for 30 yrs aint getting it. He or followers have yet to prove to me that he can grasp a complex thought.

Work on minimum wage begins in the 1980s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders


more:
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrTHRLf68FWYRsAkEKl87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDYzdCT09XWEpUYXFuR0huQmFoa0JVQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDNARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAM1NQRxdWVyeQNTYW5kZXJzIFNlbmF0ZSBCaWxscyBmb3IgZmVkZXJhbCBtaW5pbXVtIHdhZ2UgaW5jcmVhc2VzBHRfc3RtcAMxNDU1NTQ5NDMy?p=Sanders+Senate+Bills+for+federal+minimum+wage+increases&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-search&iscqry=

Advocating for a living wage? Advocating for end of for-profit wars? Advocating for a better health care system? Advocating for our crumbling infrastructure?

Does any of this help or are you looking for the "NOT HILLARY" response?

for illustrating my point that Bern is not Presidential Grade!

Hillary is the most experienced in the race -- no hesitation in saying that. My problem is that it is a different place now. Her negativity makes me scream. She is caught in a time warp. Bill does not look good. Hope he is OK. I did not vote for Hillary last time because I did not want Bill back in the WH. His energy seems low. But his brain and mouth still work. I am on the fence.

No one is voting "with their vagina" and I am embarrassed at people who need to accuse others of it out of bitterness.
Sliming good people - and groups like PP out of bitterness is carrying water for the real enemy.

A woman doing what it takes to do to try to get elected.

to her" shit. And they usually have only the vaguest reasons why they are saying this shit. I only ask that they try to get beyond the "personality" issues and listen and think, because we should not be voting for the person we want to have a beer with.

Hillary's votes, actions and policies have harmed women marginally less than men - so there's that.

Hillary is the most qualified candidate running in this election. It's ridiculous to pretend that her qualifications and support are determined by her gender. Damn offensive!!!

Young women who had never had to struggle for equality don't know what their grandmothers had to go through in the workforce and their daily lives to achieve a modicum of equality. My mother became a feminist and a supporter of abortion early on. She once told me that she got tired of seeing so many women of little means dying or being left sterile because they couldn't afford a doctor to perform their abortions. A lot of these women were married, but the kids kept coming and there wasn't enough money to food so many mouths. Abortions were not only about unmarried women.

Hillary has fought for women's rights since she was a young girl herself and some are now questioning her bonafides in that area???? Bull crap!!!! Young women can vote for Sanders all they want, but that doesn't change that generations of women came before them so that they would have the right to vote and the right to apply to any job. In the 60s they still had job ads stating that women needed not to apply.

BTW, why is the media not calling all the men running "politically ambitious"? Trump, is a narcissistic carnival barker. Cruz is a poster boy for ambition and self serving politics. His own party detests him. Rubio is not ready for prime time.

And how about Sanders? The democratic Socialist who spent his entire political career as an Independent, who ran against Democrats and who for decades refused to join the Democratic party. Oh no, he's not ambitious. He's the milk of human kindness and not a scrappy politician from VT via Brooklyn.

I'M SICK AND TIRED of the jerks that keep calling Hillary ambitious as if every single person who has ever ran for president has not been ambitious. As usual, women have to work harder just to be considered equal to men. She has more experience in a variety of roles within government than anyone else running, but she's being called ambitious as if that's a bad thing for a woman to be.

THE HELL WITH THEM ALL!!!

At what point in the past did we cross the finish line?

Feminists aren't a monolith.