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Lorien

(31,935 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:08 AM Feb 2016

The Atlantic: The Pragmatic Case for Bernie Sanders

As Bernie Sanders defies expectations with a resounding New Hampshire victory and a virtual tie in Iowa, Democratic Party leaders still insist Hillary Clinton is the pragmatic choice to beat Republicans and bring effective leadership and change—if incremental—to Washington. Clinton and her supporters frame the race, and her appeal, as a matter of “ready on day one” leadership and “get things done” practicality. But what does the record show, and what do leadership and pragmatism really mean?

On the pragmatics of electability, nearly every major national poll consistently shows Sanders equaling or bettering Clinton against all Republicans. Polls show Sanders nearly tied with Clinton nationally and rising. On electability, if anything, Sanders has the edge right now. There is nothing empirical to suggest Clinton’s superior electability—quite the contrary given her loss to Barack Obama in 2008 and her flagging campaign this year. While Clinton might gain more moderate Independents (particularly against a polarizing Republican nominee), Sanders can inspire massive Democratic and liberal Independent turnout and likely win over many white working-class swing voters.

Clinton’s most persistent attack—parroted by mainstream media—claims that Sanders’s agenda is perhaps laudable but unrealistic. Moderation is more effective, she claims. However, this is a misreading of American politics and factual comparisons of the candidates’ track records.

More:http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/462720/

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The Atlantic: The Pragmatic Case for Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Lorien Feb 2016 OP
NO!! Wait! You can't say that!!! 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #1
Free Unicorns! Hydra Feb 2016 #5
K&R amborin Feb 2016 #2
K&R me b zola Feb 2016 #3
k&r rhett o rick Feb 2016 #4
Great piece. May be forwarding it to family members. K&R. (N/T) Old Crow Feb 2016 #6
The revolution will outdo "no we can't". Duckfan Feb 2016 #7
Thom Hartmann today said that Rachel Maddow last week left off Akamai Feb 2016 #8
"Clinton’s brand of pragmatism surrenders progressive change to centrism." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #9
A Clinton presidency = Surrender before the fight has begun! John Poet Feb 2016 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #11
One wants my vote. The other expects it. SusanaMontana41 Feb 2016 #12
K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #13
Popular article thesquanderer Feb 2016 #14
K&R iwannaknow Feb 2016 #15
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. NO!! Wait! You can't say that!!!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:15 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie is a cantankerous old Unicorn Farmer from that Lilly-white State of Vermont ...

******** NOTHING TO SEE HERE ***********

Caution: If voters actually learn who Bernie REALLY is, he just might get elected President, and
we can't have that.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
7. The revolution will outdo "no we can't".
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:55 AM
Feb 2016

Or only $12 an hour. Or republicans won't work with him but I can because I have experience. And I know how to get, stuff done, even if it means stepping on someone toes. And I know foreign policy, blah, blah, blah.

Sorry Hillary. Talking out of both sides won't cut it.

Bye bye.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
8. Thom Hartmann today said that Rachel Maddow last week left off
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:45 AM
Feb 2016

several points in recounting Bernie's win in New Hampshire, his close achievement in Iowa.

Rachel said that previous Democratic participation was higher but Thom noted several problems with her statements:

First that with only two Democratic candidates in Iowa and New Hampshire, it makes sense that the "get out the vote" ground game was less effective than the crowded field of previous contenders. In a larger field one would expect candidates to scrape votes from more people.

But Thom noted that the New Hampshire win by Bernie was the largest ever in that primary state, crushing the previous huge win -- of Hillary over Obama in 2008 -- by a huge amount. Funny how the mainstream media doesn't point out this incredible win by Bernie (says Thom).

Thom points out that Bernie's results do show there is a very great enthusiasm for Senator Sanders. I sure agree and pledged more money to Bernie (60$) two nights ago.

Go Bernie!

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
10. A Clinton presidency = Surrender before the fight has begun!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:53 AM
Feb 2016

GREAT article and great arguments for Bernie Sanders!

"Based on her record and political positions, it is not credible for Democrats to hope that a Clinton presidency can deliver progressive change. It is not pragmatic to hope that Clinton, by dint of her centrist leanings, can work with Congress on anything other than a centrist agenda—at best. To the extent that she gets things done with a Republican legislature, based on an electoral mandate of centrism, there is zero prospect of progressive reform on Wall Street, corporate accountability, wealth inequality, or campaign finance. In politics, if you demand a mile, you get a foot; demand a moderate inch, and at best, you get a centimeter."

::snip:::

"There is no magic wand to accomplish change. No candidate or president can promise change—he or she can only make it possible. What makes change happen, history and current U.S. politics show, is principled and courageous commitment and integrity—not Clinton’s fatalistic pragmatism, which insists that pushing for more is unrealistic and therefore capitulates before the fight even starts. On the other hand, it is entirely pragmatic to expect a President Bernie Sanders to fight hard for the justice and equality issues he has championed his entire political life—giving these ideas a chance, rather than no chance at all."

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