2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumUS Uncut: "She (Hillary) and Her Husband Traveled First Class to Execute A Black Man"
Mark is referring to Ricky Ray Rector, whom Clinton executed just before the New Hampshire primary in 1992. Rector had committed two murders, then shot himself in the head, causing permanent brain damage. A judge then ordered Rector to stand trial despite his mental condition.
A Yale professor studying the case wrote about how Rector honestly believed he would live to be able to vote for Clinton in the November elections:
That afternoon, after Clinton had refused all final entreaties for clemency, Rector sat with one of his attorneys watching, on a TV outside his cell, news reports of his impending execution, two hours away, intermingled with accounts of Clintons travail over the Flowers charges, and he abruptly announced, in a thick mumble, Im gonna vote for him, Gonna vote for Clinton. It had always been his habit to put aside his dessert until bedtime, and after eating his last meal, of steak and fried chicken in gravy, with cherry Kool-Aid, he carefully set aside his helping of pecan pie, to finish later. One of his attorneys had earlier stated that Rector thinks hell be back in his cell on Saturday morning.
http://usuncut.com/politics/savage-hillary-takedown/
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)boobooday
(7,869 posts)I was campaigning for Jerry Brown that year.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Jerry was my choice as well.
DiehardLiberal
(580 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)changed his mind on the issue if she really wanted to. I truly believe that. But, they both had their sights on future political races, races where they felt they had to gain some "toughness" cred, prove they weren't typical "bleeding heart liberals" (cause those SUCK, you know) to get votes.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He was a child in a man's body, he had no idea they were going to kill him. I'm opposed to the death penalty in all cases but executing a mentally handicapped individual is much more barbaric than the crimes Ricky committed.
frylock
(34,825 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Disgusting. The whole pie thing haunts me to this very day. The whole nasty thing was the final nail in the coffin for me and the death penalty.
Bill and Hillary -- neoliberal Dems trying to prove to voters they were as bloodthirsty as the GOPers. Same bullshit as the IWR vote -- Hillary had to prove she was just as "tough" as W.
I am DONE with that bullshit.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)they should win over Pubs by killing as many as they can, to show they're tough and disciplinarian
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)but I gave him my vote -- twice.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)even if factually correct
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The 1990s were not precisely nice years for police and crime and the Clintons were at the center of that.
Sorry, working on a piece on mass incarceration at the moment. And when you read the statistics and now their role... "child predators" and three strike laws come to mind/
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)How are you and your birdie doing? Hurts to lose a pet. I know.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)as long as I'm sure who did what.
I wouldn't fault a governor for flying first class, but conflating it with an unpleasant duty he had to attend to was a creative negative way to portray the situation.
The rest of his post I don't have a problem with.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)In fact, there's plenty of precedent for a stay or commuting his sentence.
But Bill Clinton had NH to win, and needed to show just how tough on crime he was. (Didn't quite make it on NH)
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She hasn't evolved on that yet.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And that creates a market for orthotic devices, amiright, Verne? Hillary calls that collateral profits, not collateral damage!
Guess Hillary would say that's one way to bring those super predators to heel.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Kind of like it's a "gotcha" to play a Republican's words back to him verbatim.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Factually correct.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)assault and racism after all these years. They also thought it was a low blow because it was so long ago. I say fuck that.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)These people should be NOWHERE near the White House again...
RATM435
(392 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)RATM435
(392 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)She has always stood by her man.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I guess we allow any ol blog or news source here now and call it FACTUAL.
6chars
(3,967 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)She traveled with her husband that is all she did.
LiberalArkie
(19,804 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I wonder if he talked about it with Hillary?
I wonder if it was even important enough for him to talk with Hillary about?
And if he did, what did Hillary say?
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Anyone who supports the death penalty is not a real Democrat. Argue it any way you like, but I'm not budging on that.
It used to be a given, Dems opposed it. Not anymore. Not only that but now they support militarization of the police and prisons and curtailment of basic civil rights.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Arazi
(8,887 posts)HRC stands to continue those fatal flaws
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Damage
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Atkins v. Virginia, ruling that the practice constitutes cruel and unusual punishment; however, it is not clear that this ruling would have applied to Rector because his brain damage was caused by his suicide attempt after having committed the two murders for which he was convicted and then, as it turned out, executed.
jillan
(39,451 posts)He was sitting there watching Bill on tv saying he was going to vote for him while Bill was on his way to have hum put to death. Heartbreaking
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Instead of remembering this man's victims you are USING him to push your agenda.
jillan
(39,451 posts)This was a dark day in America.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)has no bearing on the victims of the perp's crime. Nobody is pro-murder and anti-victim. That is just weak.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Atkins dealt with intellectual disability, which, as a clinical matter, must manifest prior to the age of 18. The issue of whether he was competent to be executed turns upon his mental state at the time of execution. The USSC case on that is Panetti v Quarterman. Ricky was obviously incompetent, however a black man in Bill Clinton's Arkansas had about as much of a chance of having a court say that as he did having Bill grant clemency while he was running for president of the most bloodthirsty first world democracy on the planet.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:07 AM - Edit history (1)
or "they HAD to do it to be able to beat #41".
Bill probably stopped for a Big Mac afterwards.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)Fries are important.
Especially post-execution fries.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)I read it last night, mentally kept coming back to it today. I know sometimes we throw posts like this out there and they don't seem to have any effect, but this one did. It hit me that it's the link between the welfare reform, the 1994 crime bill, being buddies with Kissinger, the romanticizing of that first date of crossing the picket line, viewing the war and a half a million dead children as a good business opportunity.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)bigtree
(94,261 posts)Bill Clinton flew HOME to Arkansas. Hillary may well have accompanied him, but the 'first-class' nonsense is over-the-top and salacious.
Making Hillary responsible for her husband's decision as Governor by pointing out she may have flown home to Arkansas from wherever she was is basically a lie. It is bogus.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That is what Hillary said not Bill. So it doesn't matter if she flew on the plane or if it was first class or coach. The fact is she isn't against the death penalty and the only fact that matters.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Hillary KNOWS what happened to Ricky Rector. She KNOWS he had the mind of a small child. She KNOWS her husband let it go forward. She knows all that and STILL she panders to the right.
Quit making excuses Hillary.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)IF Hillary stood against this barbaric relic of an uncivilized past. As it stands, she has embraced Bill's bloody deed.
senz
(11,945 posts)Neither Clinton ever expressed an ounce of sympathy or regret for the 22 year-old intern. Hillary referred to her as a "narcissistic loony toon." The universal contempt heaped on Ms. Lewinsky broke her to the point that for many months afterward her mother kept the bathroom door open when Monica showered, fearing what she might do to herself, and sat by her bedside to help her sleep.
arikara
(5,562 posts)I'm glad she was strong enough to find her way out of the wilderness.
Arazi
(8,887 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)anyone, but executing a man who thought he was coming back to his cell for dessert afterwards was not the only barbaric and inhuman act Bill masterminded that day. When they went to execute Ricky they couldn't find a vein so the went in without anaesthetic and made 3/4 inch plus deep slices in his thigh to cut down to the femoral vein. It was one of the bloodiest and most brutal executions of the last half of the 20th century.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Beacool
(30,518 posts)That's news to me.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Rather than what is FUCKING RIGHT. Cowards.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Not really what I'm looking for in a POTUS at this time. Thanks.
UnBlinkingEye
(56 posts)Why we call it a justice system.