Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:09 AM
TubbersUK (1,427 posts)
Poll: Clinton, Sanders in a dead heat for NevadaWashington (CNN)Likely Democratic caucusgoers in Nevada are split almost evenly between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders ahead of Saturday's caucuses, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.
Though Clinton holds an edge over Sanders on handling a range of top issues, the results suggest the extremely close race hinges on divided opinions on the economy. Overall, 48% of likely caucus attendees say they support Clinton, 47% Sanders. Both candidates carry their demographic strong points from prior states into Nevada, with Clinton holding an edge among women, while Sanders tops the former secretary of state among voters under age 55. READ: The complete CNN/ORC poll results http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-nevada-poll/index.html
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TubbersUK | Feb 2016 | OP |
peacebird | Feb 2016 | #1 | |
still_one | Feb 2016 | #2 | |
morningfog | Feb 2016 | #3 | |
still_one | Feb 2016 | #5 | |
morningfog | Feb 2016 | #10 | |
ChairmanAgnostic | Feb 2016 | #17 | |
Helen Borg | Feb 2016 | #4 | |
still_one | Feb 2016 | #6 | |
Kentonio | Feb 2016 | #7 | |
Sophiegirl | Feb 2016 | #8 | |
delrem | Feb 2016 | #13 | |
Helen Borg | Feb 2016 | #16 | |
riversedge | Feb 2016 | #31 | |
delrem | Feb 2016 | #9 | |
secondwind | Feb 2016 | #11 | |
Nonhlanhla | Feb 2016 | #14 | |
delrem | Feb 2016 | #19 | |
Gene Debs | Feb 2016 | #12 | |
Helen Borg | Feb 2016 | #15 | |
greymouse | Feb 2016 | #28 | |
madokie | Feb 2016 | #25 | |
peacebird | Feb 2016 | #22 | |
madokie | Feb 2016 | #23 | |
merrily | Feb 2016 | #26 | |
Tien1985 | Feb 2016 | #18 | |
delrem | Feb 2016 | #20 | |
madokie | Feb 2016 | #24 | |
greymouse | Feb 2016 | #29 | |
delrem | Feb 2016 | #30 | |
MisterP | Feb 2016 | #32 | |
madokie | Feb 2016 | #21 | |
merrily | Feb 2016 | #27 |
Response to TubbersUK (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:17 AM
peacebird (14,195 posts)
1. That's gonna leave a mark! It was her "Western Firewall" a couple weeks ago... LOL!
Response to peacebird (Reply #1)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:31 AM
still_one (87,919 posts)
2. Sorry, Nevada was NEVER part of the so-called firewall. That is based on SC and Super Tuesday
Response to still_one (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:33 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
3. Oh good. NV is another one that doesn't matter and Hillary
Expected to lose after being up 30 points.
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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:39 AM
still_one (87,919 posts)
5. Nevada is a tie. Want to see what the polls say on Super Tuesday. One guess, they are not tied
Response to still_one (Reply #5)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:58 AM
morningfog (18,115 posts)
10. Super Tuesday is in two weeks.
Polls will move between now and then, especially after a Bernie win in NV and a decent showing in SC.
Setting that to the side, most Super Tuesday states don't have polling as recent as this. Outdated polls are of little use at this point. I think Bernie is going to do better than many expect on Super Tuesday. And I am certain that the race will not end be over the following Wednesday morning. |
Response to morningfog (Reply #3)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:48 AM
ChairmanAgnostic (28,017 posts)
17. NV doesn't matter BECAUSE it is a tie now.
Typical shifting of goalposts by Team Hillary.
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Response to still_one (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:35 AM
Helen Borg (3,963 posts)
4. And the firewall goes down crumbling!
BWAHAHAHAH!
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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #4)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:46 AM
still_one (87,919 posts)
6. Let's see, Nevada a tie. South Carolins, 99% chance that Hillary will win
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/south-carolina-democratic/
Virginia Democratic primary, 84% chance that Hillary will win http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/virginia-democratic/ Michigan Democratic primary, 97% chance that Hillary will win http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/michigan-democratic/ NorthCarolina Democratic Primary, 95% chance that Hillary will win http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/north-carolina-democratic/ and in the next several days there will be polls for the other states coming out so BWAHAHAHAH! right back at ya |
Response to still_one (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:50 AM
Kentonio (4,377 posts)
7. I seem to remember Iowa being something like a 90+% chance of a Hillary win just a few weeks before
Yet she won by such a narrow margin that the delegates were pretty much evenly split. Is that Hillary's grand plan for her strongest states on Super Tuesday? Come out with a couple more delegates and hope she doesn't get creamed in states like California and New York?
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Response to Kentonio (Reply #7)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:54 AM
Sophiegirl (2,338 posts)
8. I wouldn't call it much of a win
When it was decided by the flip if a coin.
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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #8)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:05 AM
delrem (9,688 posts)
13. It was one to be included in a collection of statistical anomalies,
I think. How those coins flipped.
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Response to delrem (Reply #13)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:30 AM
Helen Borg (3,963 posts)
16. Silver and 385 had predicted the way the coined would flip.
That is just amazing.
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Response to Sophiegirl (Reply #8)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:54 AM
riversedge (65,995 posts)
31. Educate yourself. IA was NOT decided by a coin toss.
Response to still_one (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:58 AM
delrem (9,688 posts)
9. I don't think so. HRC's campaign has always taunted us with her incredible polling numbers.
85-90% of Dem support, vs single digits for everyone else.
That was how HRC's campaign started the game. Like they owned it. Immediately after this they went negative on race. They hired David Brock to conduct an internet based campaign to paint Sanders' supporters as racist "BernieBro's", and to create a racial divide. It's been all over DU, if you haven't noticed. They've been at this like a dog with a bone to the present day with Capehart's outright swiftboating - repeated on DU, to the point of being given credence by the DU admin. Now you've gotta own this shit, because it's yours. |
Response to delrem (Reply #9)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:03 AM
secondwind (16,903 posts)
11. As of 4:30 p.m. yesterday afternoon, Nate Silver predicted a 51-49 win for Sanders. Let's wait
and see what happens
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Response to secondwind (Reply #11)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:06 AM
Nonhlanhla (2,074 posts)
14. I thought it was a 51% chance of winning
which is not the same as a 51/49 split.
Either way, NV is clearly a split. |
Response to secondwind (Reply #11)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:08 AM
delrem (9,688 posts)
19. Nate will predict whatever his paymaster tells him to predict, right up 'till the last moment.
At the last moment he'll try to save his sorry ass.
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Response to delrem (Reply #9)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:05 AM
Gene Debs (582 posts)
12. Any day now I expect a new poll showing Hillary with 128% support somewhere.
Response to still_one (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:29 AM
Helen Borg (3,963 posts)
15. Righto... They are all 90% Clinton wins until...
They are not anymore!
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Response to still_one (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:07 AM
greymouse (872 posts)
28. If Hillary wins, everyone loses except the 1%.
Response to Helen Borg (Reply #4)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:48 AM
madokie (51,076 posts)
25. Those walls will only bern so long you know
before they fall
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Response to still_one (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:30 AM
peacebird (14,195 posts)
22. Wrong. Hillary's campaign called Nevada their "Western Firewall"
http://the360experiment.com/2016/02/world-news/2016-clinton-confronts-nevada-blowback/
CLINTON CONFRONTS NEVADA BLOWBACK BY JHONAS / FEBRUARY 15, 2016 LATEST POSTS, WORLD NEWS NO COMMENTS With five days to go until the Nevada caucuses — once viewed as Hillary Clinton’s Western firewall — Sen. Harry Reid and his allies are incensed at the wounded Democratic frontrunner. The reason: The Clinton campaign’s attempt to downgrade expectations there by whitewashing the diverse state. The campaign’s recent assertion that Nevada is “still a state that is 80 percent white voters” – in other words, a state that looks alot like Bernie Sanders’ base — is simply wrong, Reid allies claim. But more galling than that, they say, it undermines the entire rationale for the caucuses’ existence — the state was only pushed to the front of the election calendar eight years ago because Reid lobbied for better demographic representation than the overwhelmingly white early-voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire. |
Response to still_one (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:31 AM
madokie (51,076 posts)
23. That goal post is definitely getting a work out
its a good thing they elected to put it on wheels early on. LOL
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Response to still_one (Reply #2)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:50 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)
26. A while back, I did read and hear a a lot about both South Carolina and Nevada.
I don't recall if the word "firewall" was applied to both, but both were often mentioned in the same (figurative) breath.
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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 08:50 AM
Tien1985 (920 posts)
18. So we are close
to a tie again. With the time left, there is still a chance it could end up swinging either way. I don't think it's a good idea for either side to get cocky, but that's my two cents.
Get the phone-banking and social media awareness moving Nevada! ![]() |
Response to TubbersUK (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:21 AM
delrem (9,688 posts)
20. As people understand that a positive future is possible if Hillary loses to Sanders,
Sanders will win.
That isn't horse race politics that I'm talking about. I'm talking about electability. We were given to understand that nobody except Hillary Rodham Clinton was "electable". That no alternative was possible, and that she would be the least of evils that the Republicans would offer. By being bipartisan, centrist, she could and would work with Republicans to get things done, and Sanders certainly couldn't do that. A slam dunk, she figured. |
Response to delrem (Reply #20)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:45 AM
madokie (51,076 posts)
24. But
as she was going up to the basket the dang thing moved on her and was no longer where it was.
Thats the trouble one runs into with their goal post on wheels you know |
Response to delrem (Reply #20)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
greymouse (872 posts)
29. I don't understand how Hillary is considered more "electable" than Bernie
Every Republican I know hates her, and even a couple of my Republican relatives have changed over to Bernie, having seen the field of nutcases their party has supplied as candidates.
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Response to greymouse (Reply #29)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:21 AM
delrem (9,688 posts)
30. It means that she's most "moderate" and "centered", as part of a marketing campaign.
Of course the most "moderate" and "centered" candidate will be the most "electable".
That's all you really need to know about the meaning of the terms. |
Response to delrem (Reply #20)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:12 PM
MisterP (23,730 posts)
32. her candidacy was possible only without anyone else running
people would support her no matter how grudgingly, people would give her JUST enough of a chance to turn over a new leaf once elected, voters and cadres would carefully make themselves forget what she said and did in the past (the Party basically runs on self-hypnosis)
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Response to TubbersUK (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:28 AM
madokie (51,076 posts)
21. Are there
enough over 55 women to pull this out for Hillary in Nevada? I just don't think there is.
I'll be surprised if Hillary makes it to our primary here in Ok. Which is on the first of march. I wonder if she may just take what money she has left and skedaddle. After all she had to go back to her well for more money just yesterday. Sounds to me like someone is having a hard time making ends meet. Personally I'd like to see her stay in the race for a while yet as as long as she is still in the more chances that Bernie has in getting his message out, to win in November we need that message to get out. If she was to quit then the M$N wouldn't have any reason to even shine a light on Bernie let along cover any of his speeches or rallies. Which by the way they aren't doing much coverage of now anyway. |
Response to TubbersUK (Original post)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:56 AM
merrily (45,251 posts)