Planned Parenthood going on-air for Hillary Clinton in NV

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Dan Merica @danmericaCNN
First on CNN - Planned Parenthood going on-air for Clinton in NV - via @tomlobianco http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/planned-parenthood-hillary-clinton-nevada/index.html …

Washington (CNN)Planned Parenthood is mounting an advertising campaign in Nevada Wednesday on behalf of Hillary Clinton, as the former secretary of state vies for support ahead of Saturday's caucuses.

The group will air three spots featuring three women talking for 15 seconds each about why they support Clinton. Planned Parenthood never mentions Clinton's Democratic rival Bernie Sanders by name.

Sanders took heat last month after he dismissed Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Clinton as "the establishment" supporting its own. Shortly after his comment, he began citing his support for Planned Parenthood more often on the campaign trail and also highlighted the 43rd anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

"There's only one candidate in this race who has been an outspoken champion for women's health and rights for decades -- and who has a real plan to not just protect the progress we've made, but to keep expanding women's access to basic health care," said Deirdre Schifeling, executive director of the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, in a statement to CNN.

The ads, which were provided first to CNN, feature a white woman who was a former Planned Parenthood patient, an African-American woman who is a Planned Parenthood community health educator in Nevada and a second-generation Mexican-American woman.

"Remember, there's a lot at stake in this election. Hillary Clinton is a champion for women's health care. That's why Planned Parenthood Action Fund has endorsed her," says Reyna, a Mexican-American single mother, in one of the ads.


read: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/planned-parenthood-hillary-clinton-nevada/index.html

[boston bean]

1. Excellent!

[Vinca]

2. Odd. I can't think of a better way to alienate millions of donors.

[earthside]

11. I've stopped giving.

Until after Sen. Sanders wins the nomination.

I am not going to fund pro-Clinton efforts. Period.

PP Action Committee has made a mistake.

[oasis]

126. That oughta put a dent in their proceeds.

[earthside]

135. The point is I have my principles.

Unlike Mrs. Clinton, I don't trim and alter my standards for political expediency.

If I can help it, I will not directly or indirectly appropriate one cent to Hillary's candidacy.

I don't care if PP Action notices or not.

[oasis]

138. The right wing loonies have attacked PP for decades. PP held

it's ground for the sake of women. PP exists for women's sake. Every decision they make is in the best interest of women. This institution, like many others, is not without its flaws.

[Armstead]

155. At the moment PP exists for Clinton's sake

That is the perception this kind of crap gives.

"If you support our goals and work vote for Clinton instead of Sanders."

An appropriate response?

"I support your goals and work...But I support Sanders so to hell with you for the moment. -- until you get your priorities back and stop being shills for Clinton."

[LuvLoogie]

195. Hillary Clinton has a wide array of long-developed, working relationships.

That you resent those is your problem. Perhaps Senator Sanders would have made more working relationships over the years had he not decided to become a life-long member of the You're Not Good Enough Party.

People like working with Hillary. People want to work with Hillary. So while The Revolution leaves no stone unturned looking for anti-Hillary chum to boost Bernie's poll numbers, Hillary will continue to cultivate her relationships.

It's called being gregarious and optimistic.

[Armstead]

197. If Clinton is elected we're in for right years of gridlock

[broiles]

154. Where is this money coming from?

I'm not giving any more to them since they spend it to support political races.

[PeaceNikki]

157. Planned Parenthood is separate from the PP Action Fund.

No donations to Planned Parenthood are sent to Hillary, only donations to their Action Fund could be spent on political activities.

[peace13]

31. Yup.

25 years of giving....I'm out.

[mainer]

42. I was so pissed, I stopped giving too.

Bad move, PP.

[Merryland]

46. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

Republican right-to-lifers hate them already. Now, with this endorsement, hundreds of thousands of pro-choice-pro-Bernie Democrats will stop donating to them. I've donated to them in the past, and unless they withdraw this endorsement, will never again.

[oasis]

127. "Hundreds of thousands will stop donating"!!!!!

You have contact with that many donors? WOW.

[Bobbie Jo]

117. Just those with a vindictive streak, perhaps.

You either support what PP stands for, or you don't...

[BlueMTexpat]

3. YESSSSS!!!

But now PP will be hauled through the muck again, by self-styled "progressives."

[Merryland]

59. And she could "compromise"

on abortion, she has stated, if the mother's life were endangered. Well, this was the legal standard even BEFORE Roe v Wade, to obtain a legal "therapeutic" abortion. Wow, progressive much?

[libdem4life]

61. Yes, that was what I was referring to. Wiggle Room on the abortion issue. Republican Lite.

But the daughter of PP Director works on Hillary's campaign.

[Merryland]

70. Yep.

I guess Planned Parenthood is embracing a return to pre-Roe v Wade. Talk about an assinine move.

[libdem4life]

82. Well, it is Republican Lite time amongst the formerly respectable Left.

[Merryland]

86. Out of the shadows they slink...

[libdem4life]

94. Indeed they do.

[riversedge]

115. Jealousy is not a good character trait.

[libdem4life]

116. Absolutely agree. Now, back to the subject at hand...any intelligent comments?

[pinebox]

33. Self styled progressives?

Please, maybe PP should stay out of it. You think it's coincidence that PP who has never ever endorsed anyone and whoses chief has their kiddo working for the Clinton campaign isn't crony capitalism?
We see you quite clearly.

[PeaceNikki]

36. What are you afraid of? The quid pro quo of PP getting more federal funding if Clinton is elected?

That would suck, huh?

[TriplD]

190. Corruption is corruption

That funding should go towards women's health, not political campaigns.

They wouldn't need to buy off a President Sanders to get funding so they could use every dime on women's health instead.

[PeaceNikki]

191. Um, no. They are totally separate organizations. PPFA and PPAF.

The political arm is the one campaigning for a strong advocate of women. Your donations to PPFA don't go towards that.

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

[Merryland]

48. Their own fault. n/t

[Armstead]

158. They deserve to be, for this betrayal of many of their supporters

[merrily]

4. Even though she recently said she'd consider a Constitutional Amendment limiting choice.

Imagine that.

[libdem4life]

6. My instantaneous point. Wonder how that will fly? Oh right, it's an inconvenient fact

so will likely be ignored...while she panders with abortion rights.

[merrily]

7. Apparently, it's already flown with PP. I can't imagine they are unaware of it.

IMO, it says a lot about what PP is really committed to.

[questionseverything]

160. yes once the door is closed on 3rd term abortions (by hc)

the slippery slope will be established

abortion is either a right because a woman has the privacy to determine what she does with her own body or not

or it is not

ms richards really needs to answer this

[PeaceNikki]

14. A) That was last fall so 'recently' is a bit subjective

B) I trust that Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue have fully vetted HRC on this topic

[Merryland]

87. Just last fall?

Jebus.

[merrily]

188. Yeah, what was I thinking? Given how fast Hillary "evolves, last fall was eons ago.

God only know what she'll be saying by next fall.

And there's the problem with counting on what she says at any time to anyone, including PP.

You've nailed it.

[Merryland]

53. I wonder how many people know

that even BEFORE Roe v. Wade, a legal "therapeutic" abortion could be obtained if the pregnant woman's life were in danger (including
being a danger to herself.) I'd bet that Hillary does.

[Merryland]

76. This needs to be put up in neon lights-

I had never heard this till yesterday & it is mind-blowingh.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. PP is backing this woman?

HILLARY CLINTON: My husband vetoed a very restrictive legislation on late-term abortions and he vetoed it at an event in the White House where we invited a lot of women who had faced this very difficult decision, that ought to be made based on their own conscience, their family, their faith, in consultation with doctors. Those stories left a searing impression on me. Women who think their pregnancy is going well and then wake up and find some really terrible problem. Women whose life is threatened if they carry their child to term, and women who are told by doctors that the child they're carrying will not survive.

Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

She is open to banning late term abortion if it takes into account the life of the mother and her health. So, who decides that the mother's life/health is at risk?

This is the kind of "compromise" that we don't need.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

[loyalsister]

9. A "feminist" who doesn't consider abortion a right

is as much a feminist as Phyllis Schlafly.

[Kelvin Mace]

13. Again, the elite who run PP

are prepared to back a candidate who, while not as bad as the GOP, is still open to GOP ideas.

[lasttrip]

136. So, who decides that the mother's life/health is at risk?

good question.
Thanks for the post Kelvin Mace.
Peace.
LT

[Kelvin Mace]

139. It is like the remark she made that abortion should be "legal and rare"

Who gets to determine rare, and what happens if abortions exceed this arbitrary definition of rare?

[lasttrip]

142. Who gets to determine rare,..

along the lines "if necessary" or "if they deserve it".
Peace.
LT

[dana_b]

159. THAT I do not understand

I wonder if they realize that she said that??

I am a supporter of PP and I am not fond of their decision to support Clinton at this moment. I'm not sure what I'll do about my donations yet.

[casperthegm]

10. Disappointed in Planned Parenthood

They have never endorsed a candidate during the primaries in their history until this year. More insider favors, as the daughter of PP's president works for the Clinton campaign. It's very disappointing to see them break from tradition and honestly splitting their own base. I've lost a lot of respect for them.

[Pattib7969]

12. Planned Parenthood made a mistake!

Totally agree. Why would they choose to endorse someone who is not even the nominee....they have never done that before. Why not let the voters decide who THEY want to be the nominee and then endorse at that point? As a member and a former employee of Planned Parenthood, I am extremely disappointed in their decision...they have lost my support for sure. Bernie sanders has a very long, supportive record on women's rights as well and has always supported Planned Parenthood. To turn their back on his support and choose one candidate over another at this early stage is wrong and disappointing. Way to go Planned Parenthood...you split your base for sure.

[uppityperson]

72. You will no longer support PP because of this endorsement?

Seriously? You will no longer support all the healthcare and education that PP does?

[Merryland]

80. Right. I will no longer support Planned Parenthood unless they withdraw their endorsement.

[uppityperson]

90. Even though they need support more than ever. Penalize all who they help because of this?

Incredible. I am disappointed in their endorsement but refuse to penalize all those who they help because of this endorsement.

Let's pull funding and make it more difficult for women and men to get contraceptives, education, cancer screenings, STD tests and treatments because they endorce Hillary? Hillary believed in some limitations on abortions so let's make it more difficult for women to obtain them because of this endorsement?

Bull puckey.

[Merryland]

101. If they want my money

they can withdraw their endorsement & I'll send them $100. But I'm sure they've been promised a good bit more than that by their fave candidate.

[uppityperson]

108. Because penalizing women's health is a politically convenient thing to do.

[Beowulf]

163. Planned Parenthood did this to themselves.

I don't see any extra benefits for them in endorsing Clinton that they wouldn't have received from a Sanders administration. And endorsing a candidate makes it very difficult to convince the opposition that PP should receive any government funding. A very stupid move and the reaction among Sanders' supporters entirely predictable and understandable.

[thesquanderer]

183. I agree. There are a lot of women who are not necessarily HRC fans.

This endorsement unnecessarily puts those donations at risk.

I know, I know, donations to PP are different from donations to their political arm. Do people really think the average person seeing a PP/HRC commercial is going to make the distinction?

[Beowulf]

185. PP wants it both ways

They want your money, but they also want to take a side. They can't be surprised when supporters of the other side withhold donations. Telling a potential donor you need to back us while you also work against that donor's interests is not a recipe for success. And then they want to blame the donors! That's pretty arrogant and entitled.

[casperthegm]

105. PP does a lot of good things for a lot of people

Which is why it is such a shame that they caved to political favoritism. Again, never, in the history of PP have they endorsed a candidate during the primaries. Why change now? Political favors. I challenge anyone to deny that.

We're seeing the Clinton establishment machine at work, left and right. What we're looking for is a level, unbiased playing field. That should be what this party can hang it's hat on, but we're seeing political favoritism and Wall Street money running wild in our own party. At least for one candidate. And we're going to call out those who are a part of the problem.

[Armstead]

161. If they need support more than ever, they shouldn't be poking sticks in eyes of PP supporters who...

also support Bernie.

[uppityperson]

187. You mean like me? I wish they hadn't done this, but will also continue to volunteer for, work for,

donate to and support PP for the work they do.

[Armstead]

189. Good, if you believe in what they do.

But they should not have done THIS.

[uppityperson]

193. I do very much and also agree they shouldn't have done this.

[LanternWaste]

103. I'm quite sure you'll allege to have supported them in the past.

I'm quite sure you'll allege to have supported them in the past. I'm also certain a handful may even believe as much-- if not due to sincerity, at least due to political convenience.

[DrDan]

144. look up-thread at all the other "progressives" whose feelings were so hurt they have elected to also

withdraw support

[jillan]

198. Yes because even republican women have vaginas. Women's healthcare should have nothing to do with

politics.

They went there.
I'm out.

[uppityperson]

202. What alternative will you offer to young women and men who use them for contraception, STD exams and

treatments, pap smears, etc? This is a serious question.

I really wish they'd not endorsed any candidate but instead the party, but will continue to support their services as they are very needed.

[one_voice]

207. My reaction as well...

I don't understand the decision to punish those that had nothing to do it.

[JTFrog]

29. Oh here go the attacks on PP again on a Democratic message board.

There is nothing to be disappointed about. And if this is somehow splitting their own "base" well then I guess that wasn't much of a base to begin with was it? Those who actually believe in what PP does for women (and men) are not going to let some stupid endorsement sway their support.

Just sayin....

[casperthegm]

38. I could agree with you...

but then we'd both be wrong. You do realize that endorsing a candidate during the primaries is something they have never done, right? PP's president is friends with Clinton, and her daughter is on Hillary's staff. This reeks of favoritism and politics as usual. PP had a solid base of democrats. Now they have split that base by taking sides during a primary. Those are facts, not opinions. So yeah, that stupid endorsement is going to sway support away from PP.

[JTFrog]

41. Bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1255838

[casperthegm]

65. Well that's not very nice

I have good news for you though; There is therapy available to you to address your misguided anger. AND there is an internet available to you to verify the FACTS that I have laid out for you. You're welcome

[LanternWaste]

106. I'd pretend it's anger too

I'd pretend it's anger too-- far more ethically convenient to frame it inaccuracy, and maintain the pretense we're not wise enough to distinguish concern from misguided anger, regardless of the irrelevancies of welcome, therapy or good news.

[one_voice]

208. I'll send them more...

that's what I do every time the pukes fuck with them. This, in my mind is worse than the pukes.

I'm not a fair weather, when shit is going my way supporter. Either I'm in or I'm out. Fuck that other noise. I'm not one them...

[PeaceNikki]

210. Same.

[peace13]

52. I have been a supporter of PP for over 25 years.

Money that I could have spent anywhere. PP endorsing a candidate, something that has never been done before, makes me think that they must be getting something in return and since it wasn't a candidate with the best interest of women at heart I can only imagine it's money. I hope so because i do not intend to send money to an organization that sells its soul. I don't want to have to pray before receiving a 'free meal' and I don't want women in need to have to bow to any politician before receiving the care they need.

[Pattib7969]

57. Yes, STUPID endorsement

Their base is very strong on women's rights.....about as strong as BOTH Bernie and Hillary. I can still support women's rights without giving financially to an organization that has chosen to make a stand where they have never made a stand before until after the primaries. They clearly do not care what I think as a former supporter since they chose to endorse one candidate over another before I (or most Americans) even had the chance to vote in our own state's primaries. If you think their base was not split, try visiting the PP Facebook page and reading comments on any post that discusses their endorsement. They are clearly split.....maybe that was not their intention, but they should have thought about that before endorsing or AT THE VERY LEAST surveyed their membership to see what the people thought as moveon.org did.

[Kittycat]

165. ^^^ Agreed! ^^^

[libdem4life]

96. Her daughter is a paid staffer for HRC.

[delrem]

15. Maybe they can explain how universal healthcare isn't a need.

For starts, just to get things going.

Maybe they can explain why protecting private health care insurance parasites is more important than promising to implement a gov't guaranteed single payer health care scheme.

Maybe they can talk real politics.

Or maybe they can't.

We'll see. Won't we.

[thesquanderer]

182. and why Hillary opposes Gillebrand's family leave plan,

while Sanders supports it.

The big difference is that Gillebrand and Sanders explain exactly how their plan will be paid for, while Hillary simply says she wants the result. Looks suspiciously like a unicorn, that one.

[mcar]

16. K&R

[PeaceNikki]

17. Some of the responses in this thread are shameful. Cecile Richards is a powerhouse and PP

is an important institution that doesn't deserve to be punished for not supporting your candidate.

If you choose to stop supporting this worthy organization over their endorsement of one of our Democratic candidates, you should be ashamed.

[jcgoldie]

18. +1

The hyperbole expressed by the Bernie crowd is more than a bit over the top.

[PeaceNikki]

20. I am just so fucking sick of everyone who supports HRC swiftly deemed a sworn "enemy".

Really? Planned Parenthood? Cecile fucking Richards who testified in front of Congress like a fucking BOSS?!?

[libdem4life]

102. No, sorry...Hillary went all Republican Lite on abortion while PP endorsed for the First Time during

the Primaries. And as mentioned a couple of times on this thread, the daughter is a paid staffer. Think you should review your outrage.

False flag there..

[PeaceNikki]

109. lol

No. That video being passed around is from last fall. PP endorsed in January. Cecile Richards is no fucking idiot and has done nothing to imply that the quid pro quo implied by endorsement is anything but to build up a candidate who has fully supported them and women.

My 'outrage' is at how some people here constantly fucking frame anyone who supports HRC as an evil bad poopoohead enemy.

[libdem4life]

113. I have no idea which video you are referring to. Here, I'll make it a bit clearer. A day or two ago.

not last fall...Hillary announced a major waffle on abortion. Fact. (thus Republican Lite)

Planned Parenthood endorsed for the first time pre-GE. Fact.

Daughter works for PP. Fact

Surely you know these facts. How and why did this happen? That's the question.

[PeaceNikki]

120. How and why did what happen?

Yes, that statement was taken out of context and implied to mean she'd waffle on abortion. I trust Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue on abortion enough to know that they are confident she will not.

Yes, this is their first primary endorsement. Yes, her daughter works for HRC. I don't see how ANY of that is shocking/horrific enough to throw them under the bus.

Nope.

I don't.

[PeaceNikki]

129. Dramatic? Dramatic is holding back support of PP over this endorsement.

[quickesst]

19. I agree...

... It's like withholding food from a hungry baby because the baby prefers its mother rather than the person with the food.

[PeaceNikki]

21. yup.

[bigtree]

22. it's like a drive to marginalize the progressive movement

...deliberately working to splinter our Democratic coalition until this 'revolutionary' wing of Sanders' is so politically isolated that they have as much success in the national legislature as Sanders had over his 30-year career as an independent.

[jeff47]

23. And none of that changes the fact that Clinton says she supports

a constitutional amendment to limit abortion.

None of that changes the fact that Clinton says universal health care is impossible, and we have to settle for universal health coverage that Clinton can not deliver.

[PeaceNikki]

24. .

[jeff47]

25. Does your sign change either of those facts? (nt)

[PeaceNikki]

27. Does writing off PP and/or NARAL because they support a DEMOCRATIC candidate make sense?

[peace13]

75. I couldn't believe when NARAL called with a survey!

And then proceeded to give the Hillary speech. Is this a survey or an intrusive commercial. I lost a lot of respect for the group. They are trying to manipulate women...the same group that they are 'speaking' for. I hope all hopes that we get single payer soon so women do not have to be manipulated in order to receive proper health care.

[PeaceNikki]

81. JFC, how is is manipulative that they endorse and work hard to get a Democrat elected?

This place is off the fucking rails.

Jumping the shark.

[peace13]

88. Read what I wrote. Read!

They took my time for a fake survey and then proceeded to try and take more time by reading and pimping for Hillary. If they had called and said that this is a call in support of Hillary...that is a horse of a different color. I was clear in my original post and should not have had to take the time to explain again. Do me the courtesy. What does JFC stand for?

[PeaceNikki]

93. JFC = Jesus Fucking Christ

I read it. And I find it hyperbolic and reactionary.

[JTFrog]

104. +1 n/t

[earthside]

148. That's what PP did to me ...

... when they decided to play intra-party politics and endorse Clinton.

They threw me under the bus.

[PeaceNikki]

150. I get it. It's all about you and hurting your feelings.

[earthside]

153. My feelings are't hurt.

But, yes, when I make contributions, it is about me and my principles and my conscience.

How hard is this to understand?

I will not directly or indirectly support the Clinton candidacy -- PP threw me under the bus -- and not another cent to them until after Sanders has the nomination.

[PeaceNikki]

156. Your concern has been noted.

[PeaceNikki]

175. Sanders still supports PP and would probably be ashamed of his supporters who don't.

[earthside]

177. I support Planned Parenthood.

I do not support Planned Parenthood Political Action Fund with any further contributions ... until after Sen. Sander gets the presidential candidate nomination of the Democratic Party.

Not a penny from me to Hillary Clinton funneled through an organization that chooses one pro-choice candidate over another.

[riversedge]

179. I am glad PP stands by ALL women and reproductive choice-even as you toss them under the bus

[jillan]

199. Oh Look! It's Hillary kicking pregnant women who want an abortion under the bus.

[PeaceNikki]

200. Her record proves otherwise.

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

[jillan]

203. And her words say something else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1258371

[PeaceNikki]

204. That's a distortion.

[Fawke Em]

28. What's shameful is they're not supporting the millions of women

who support Sanders.

That's disrespect.

[PeaceNikki]

30. They're supporting a Democrat who fully supports them.

[frylock]

37. They're going to look very ineffective and toothless when the Democrat who fully supports them..

loses to the Independent who fully supports them.

[PeaceNikki]

40. Your concern is noted.

[frylock]

122. I'm not in the least bit concerned how badly PP looks in all this.

[Fawke Em]

45. And they could have waiting until there was a nominee.

As it stands, they're disrespecting me and the millions of other women who don't think Clinton will represent us well.

[PeaceNikki]

54. No, they are not. They are supporting a candidate who has fought for women her whole life.

[Fawke Em]

60. What tripe!

Hillary supports 1 percent women. She doesn't really support poor women.

Indeed, Clinton has long embraced welfare reform, a policy more hostile to women than almost any other enacted recent decades. Passed by a Republican Congress, the bill was signed in 1996 by President Bill Clinton, eager to make good on his pledge to “end welfare as we know it.”

What that meant was a five-year federal limit on receiving welfare. States, which henceforth received funding as a block grant, were incentivized to set even stricter limits. States that kicked people off the rolls could spend the money elsewhere, and they have. States could also evade job participation requirements by kicking people of the rolls. Whether the gutting of welfare was a cynical political calculation (Clinton’s penchant for “triangulation”) or derived from deep-seated belief likely has made little difference to the poor women, often black women, cut off from government aid.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/02/the_betrayal_that_should_haunt_hillary_clinton_how_she_sold_out_working_women_then_never_apologized/

[PeaceNikki]

63. mmmm hmmm. poor you

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/01/11/why_hillary_clinton_s_call_out_of_the_hyde_amendment_is_so_important.html

[Fawke Em]

67. Poor yourself.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-commits-repealing-hyde-amendment

And he supports single payer - which is too hard for Clinton - so that women, wounded vets and others don't have to rely on donated services to get health care.

[PeaceNikki]

68. That's awesome that he supports repeal, too. And single payer.

I will proudly support either as our nominee. And proudly support PP whichever they endorse.

That's the difference between us.

[Fawke Em]

74. Well, they endorsed your candidate, so you weren't slapped.

[PeaceNikki]

83. They are both good, strong, women supporting Democrats and, as such, both 'mine'.

[farleftlib]

77. Exactly

Bernie had a 100% PP and NARAL rating so there was absolutely no reason to jump ahead of themselves and prematurely endorse Clinton. It shows a lack of respect for the Democratic process because they had nothing to lose by waiting for the people to choose their candidate.

[Merryland]

73. And Cecile Richards' daughter works for Hillary

keepin it real, keepin it in the family.

[PeaceNikki]

78. So what? And her mother was the amazing Ann Richards.

[Merryland]

84. So what? Hillary supports compromise on abortion rights.

[PeaceNikki]

85. No, she doesn't.

[Merryland]

89. Yes, she does. See the below quote.

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action."

This was the standard for legal abortion in the good old PRE Roe v Wade days.

[libdem4life]

124. That was my point, as well, that you missed apparently. Hillary did one of her flip flops.

Already she's starting to sell out time-honored Democratic principles...full rights for women...not well, maybe in this case..Bullshit. And IDC whose daughter she is...that apple got kicked a bit too far from the tree. But hey, Liberal women are standing in line to take their orders from Hillary. Steinham, Albright, now Richards...who will be next to fall on their Progressive/Liberal Hillary Sword?

[earthside]

137. If PP wants to play primary politics, then they have to accept the consequences.

This was a choice PP Action made -- this was a political choice and we all have a right, perhaps a duty to our own ethical standards, to respond to that decision.

Indeed, I am rather proud of myself that I am not helping Hillary Clinton's candidacy in any way, shape or form.

It is PP that should be ashamed ... creating unnecessary division and controversy when both candidates for the Democratic Party nomination for president are superb on the choice question and women' health.

[PeaceNikki]

140. If their support of someone causes you to be divided, that's on you.

Not them.

And it's the crux of what I'm talking about.

[PeaceNikki]

152. Criticize away. Withdraw support? Really fucking dumb. Planned Parenthood is separate from the PPAC

(PP Action Fund)

No donations to PP go to support Clinton.

[Armstead]

162. That's NOT their damn job to scuttle candidate who support them

If it's a contest between a neanderthal right-winger who is opposed to choice and all that, political action is appropriate.

But in a contest between two candidates who support PP and its agenda, using their influence to support a crony of their upper echelon is wrong.

They deserve to get slammed for it.

[PeaceNikki]

164. This is the political arm of Planned Parenthood so political action is their entire reason to exist.

[Armstead]

166. Like I said above, it depends on the race

Endorse and work hard to defeat Ted Cruze or Marco Rubio? Hey, that's part of their political job. Go for it.

Endorse and work hard to defeat a candidate who is solidly in their corner, and has a pro PP record? Go jump in a lake.

[PeaceNikki]

167. That's the silliest that keeps happening.

They are working to support Clinton. And you all see that as working against Sanders.

[Armstead]

169. One person wins. The other loses. Politics 101.

Those who support PP, but also like Sanders and/or do NOT like Clinton are placed in a difficult situation.

That was unnecessary, and they screwed the pooch by doing it.

[PeaceNikki]

174. I think Sanders himself would be ashamed of that response from his supporters.

[Armstead]

180. He had to be political and tactful in public. We don't

[uppityperson]

192. I'm a Sanders supporter and so mad, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, gonna...

quit using contraception that I got from PP!!! That'll show them!!!




just in case

[Fawke Em]

26. They really should stay out of this.

It's only hurting them.

They shouldn't be slapping half their supporters in the face like this.

I love their work, but can no longer give to them since they've shown they have no respect for me - a woman.

[JTFrog]

32. Anyone who quits supporting PP over an endorsement is no supporter of PP.

Period. End. Of.

I hope it makes those who claim that they can no longer give to PP feel good to know they are denying women (and men) care who can't get it elsewhere. That will teach them for having an opinion!!! That's standing up for something alright!

[PeaceNikki]

34. mmmm hmmm. It's awful.

[JTFrog]

44. No excuse for it on a supposed liberal democratic website.

If this is how they prove their progressive liberal bona fides, they are sorely lacking.

[Fawke Em]

50. And if PP tries to show their liberal bona fides by slapping me in the face, it's OK?

No.

Stop attempting to slap me further. I'm supporting the true liberal. Take your bona fides elsewhere.

[JTFrog]

56. You poor thing.

Who cares about the health care that men and women receive from PP, eh? Slapped in the face? You know what getting slapped in the face feels like? Needing an abortion and not being able to get one because some guy felt disrespected that PP endorsed someone.

For fuck's sake.

[Fawke Em]

62. I'm a WOMAN.

And THEY put THEMSELVES in this position.

Poor thing, your own self.



P.S. I'm also supporting the liberal candidate who wants single payer for all so that women, wounded vets and other don't have to rely on donated services to get health care.

Pipe-Smoke... and all that.

[JTFrog]

97. Men and women who need these health services put THEMSELVES in this position?

Are you for real? So you hope that someday they won't need to rely on donated services so fuck em now right?

This is crazy talk and vindictive as all hell.

[peace13]

64. You really haven't said...

...if this effects your donations to PP. How long have you even donating?

[Fawke Em]

71. I know you weren't address me, but I'll add to this:

I used to donate to PP. It and my local humane society are the two charities to whom I regularly gave.

Now that PP has decided to use a portion of my money for Clinton, I can no longer, in good faith, give to them. They put themselves in the position of slapping me in the face so they have, in effect, hurt millions of women with this stunt. Many people who support Sanders don't want to give to Clinton by proxy. It's a shame they couldn't have simply waited until there was a nominee like they've done throughout history.

[peace13]

79. Well put.

I totally agree.

[JTFrog]

91. For over 15 years I have donated to PP.

Why would this effect my donations? If they had endorsed Bernie you sure in the fuck would not see me here screaming that I'd been disrespected and suggesting withholding donations. I wouldn't feel the need to take it out on the people who need their services.

That's not my thing.

[peace13]

111. I appreciate your comment.

For me, I feel strongly that they should have held with tradition and waited until after the primary. That is why I send my money elsewhere. It's not about anger or knee jerk reactions. When single payer comes in PP won't need donations and all of this will be resolved. That will be a wonderful day!

[JTFrog]

112. Like I said above...

You hope that someday they won't need to rely on donated services, but too bad for now, eh? Especially during a time that women's reproductive rights are under major attack across the country?

I don't think that's a very good solution.

Just sayin...

[peace13]

194. There is no shortage of places in need.

It won't be a problem finding a home for the gift.

[Fawke Em]

47. I'm supposed to give them money they'll turn around and give to Clinton?

Um, no.

The problem is with them. Not me.

THEY dropped their dog in this fight when they didn't have to. There was no reason to. They could have waiting until there was a nominee.

What they've done is disrespect me and the millions of other women who don't support their candidate of CHOICE. Ironic, ain't it?

[JTFrog]

51. Oh for fuck's sake. They disrespected you?????

Unreal. Well you'll show them won't you?!?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1255859

Pathetic.

[Fawke Em]

55. Yes. They did.

Taking my money and giving it to that woman who last fall said abortion was on the table is a slap to my face. Period.

Unreal you can't see that.

[Merryland]

95. Words from Hillary's OWN mouth:

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action."

[tammywammy]

110. Planned Parenthood is separate from the PP Action Fund.

no donations to Planned Parenthood are sent to Hillary, only donations to their Action Fund could be spent on political activities.

Problem solved.

[JTFrog]

114. They aren't going to hear you.

Any post with actual information and facts will be ignored. It's crazy times.

[frylock]

35. The best part of this endorsement is how ineffectual it will be.

[JTFrog]

39. There are several posters who should be ashamed of their posts in this thread.

I cannot imagine anyone not full of hatred and seeking petty vengeance for an imagined slight who would pull that kind of shit.

[DrDan]

145. well said

[OilemFirchen]

171. Poseurs, all.

You can't imagine them because they don't exist.

[Merryland]

43. Doesn't the daughter of the Planned Parenthood director

work for Hillary's campaign? They are doing themselves in pretty much.

[KingFlorez]

49. Freedom of speech

They have a right to run ads on behalf of whoever they want to, as well as support whoever they want to.

[hoosierlib]

58. She must really be in trouble in Nevada...

First the cancellation of her Florida trip and now the cavalry...

Smells like something is Berning in the hot desert sun...

[bigtree]

107. support = trouble?

...that's a novel spin.

Hillary intends to fight for every vote. Same as Sanders, sans PP.

[hoosierlib]

118. Yes...especially since this is a first for PP

And to me, PP's choice to get involved in the primary seems a bit sexist...

[beedle]

66. Are they going to at least

outline the major differences between Clinton and this unmentionable other evil candidate who obviously wants to push reproductive rights back to the middle ages?

Never realized Bernie was so terrible on reproductive rights that PP could not wait and had to step in ahead of the General Election and knock down a Democratic 'anti woman' agenda.

[PeaceNikki]

69. They have never once demonized Sanders.

[JTFrog]

98. Exactly. n/t

[beedle]

119. I never once said they did.

I asked when they are going to explain why it was necessary to support a Dem Candidate ahead of the GE. What serious anti-productive rights issues caused PP to feel the need to make an enforcement the likes of which they have never done before.

[PeaceNikki]

121. Um... the massive attacks against them for the past few decades, I imagine.

The faked videos, the attempts to defund them, the TRAP laws to name a few.

[beedle]

130. By bernie and/or Democratic candidates?

I am quite certain they should indeed come out and throw their support behind Democrats over Republicans.

I am unaware though of Bernie having any association with faked video, attempts to defund, or support of TARP laws, so what does that have to do with this discussion?

[PeaceNikki]

132. no. Holy shit, not every fucking support of HRC is not anti-Bernie.

They are building her up and not knocking him down. WHy that is such a problem for some of you is fucking ridiculous.

[beedle]

146. Again, who said that?

I asked what your accusations of fake videos, attempts to defund them, the TRAP laws had to do with the endorsement of Clinton over Sanders in a Democratic Primary?

[PeaceNikki]

149. They strongly support Clinton and go into great, explicit detail as to why they do.

In doing so, they have never demonized Sanders.

You obviously don't agree and you add the "over Sanders" because it irks you.

[beedle]

212. I never said they did.

I asked what those issues had to do with supporting Clinton over Sanders ... you brought them up, they didn't.

If I were accusing anyone of demonizing Sanders, I would be accusing you of doing that by implying those issues were part of the decision by PP. It wasn't, it couldn't be, as there is no real reason for PP to endorse one Democratic candidate over the other (other than nepotism.)

[PeaceNikki]

213. Here are their reasons:

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

[beedle]

214. Both have a 100% rating.

Must be why they jumped to endorse Hillary over Obama in 2008 .... oh, wait!

Not a big deal, I'm sure the 'family ties' connection will help her more than help her in her claim that money has no influence in her campaign.

[PeaceNikki]

215. Did you click the link? I think not. They state that fact and the specific reasons why.

Let’s be clear — when it comes to issues like birth control, abortion, and access to services at Planned Parenthood, both leading Democratic candidates for president have great records, and would make a great president. In fact, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are both rated 100% on Planned Parenthood Action Fund’s congressional scorecard for their perfect voting records on women’s health and rights, and have been strong defenders of Planned Parenthood.

So why did the Planned Parenthood Action Fund endorse Hillary Clinton? Because no other presidential contender in our nation’s history has demonstrated such a strong, proactive commitment to women or has such a clear and outspoken record on behalf of women’s health and rights. With so much at stake in this election, we need someone who will do more than just defend reproductive rights — we need a steadfast champion who will fight to expand them, and do so not just when it’s easy, but also when it’s hard.

Check out our chart to learn about both Sanders’ and Clinton’s records on some of the issues that are most important to reproductive rights advocates.

...


Bottom Line: Sanders and Clinton are Both Good on Reproductive Health — But Clinton Pushes Harder

When you see their records side by side, there’s no question why the Planned Parenthood Action Fund endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. She has simply demonstrated the strongest record, clearest leadership, and most focused commitment to women’s health of any presidential candidate.

For anyone who supports Senator Sanders, know we are grateful for his strong record on reproductive rights. This endorsement doesn’t mean we’ll do anything negative about Sanders’ campaign. Instead it means that for the first time in history, we have the chance to help elect someone who’s been fighting to expand reproductive health and rights for decades to the White House, just when we need that kind of champion the most.

- See more at: https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/#sthash.ruJSDQZ5.dpuf

[beedle]

216. Yes I read it

So why did they not endorse Clinton over Obama in 2008?

Was it too close to call between them? (cough cough nepotism cough cough)

[PeaceNikki]

217. OK, I get it. You're not interested in hearing their reasons, only in thinking you're super clever

or something.

You should have said that earlier and saved us both some time.

Carry on.

[tammywammy]

170. They clearly explained why they support Hillary over Bernie

None of which was demonizing Bernie.

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

Bernie is good supporter, but Hillary is a better advocate for Planned Parenthood.

[PeaceNikki]

172. Thank you for this.

[stopbush]

92. Had PP endorsed Sanders, this thread wouldn't be about how awful

it was that they broke with tradition and endorsed a primary candidate. It would be about "if Clinton can't even get the PP endorsement she's toast."

It's going to be an ugly sight when DU's Sanders supporters realize he isn't going to run the primary table just because he won NH. First will come the accusations of cheating, then the "establishment won't let him win" claims, then eventually disillusionment and disengagement from the process.

Didn't have to be that way, but it's what happens when people get haughty and start believing their own press releases.

[PeaceNikki]

99. Not only that, but the endorsement was over 5 weeks ago. Anyone who cares about PP or women's

reproductive freedom was fully aware of this. It's been no secret. Cecile Richards and Ilyse Hogue have been very vocal about their support of HRC and spoken at length about why. They have not demonized BS. they've lifted up HRC.

This place has jumped the shark.

[peace13]

100. It is a call between right and wrong not who was endorsed.

Believe it or not some things are not about money, votes or power but what is the right thing to do. Organizations like PP, whose purpose is to support those who would be left out without help has over stepped the boundary by endorsing anyone before the primary, something that has never been done before.

[workinclasszero]

123. Great!

[oasis]

125. Women are going to win this one for Hillary.

Killer Mike can go kick rocks.

[Merryland]

133. No, we're not.

[JTFrog]

141. Sure we are. n/t

[dchill]

131. Try...

angulation.

[AzDar]

134. That's unfortunate...Shouldn't have endorsed until we have a Nominee.

[Gothmog]

143. This is great news

[Attorney in Texas]

151. Sure wish I could get my financial support back! Had I known it would be wasted in the primary

against the progressive candidate, I would not have donated to PP.

Well, fool me once ...

[tammywammy]

173. Did you donate to Planned Parenthood or their Action Fund?

Because they're two separate entities.

I've personally never donated to their Action Fund, but I donate weekly to the local Planned Parenthood.

[Kittycat]

168. Why the hell would they give her money to fight a 100% rating dem in the primary?

What a waste of donor money, and slap in the face of all progressives that have fought to support them.

And HRCs statement. FFS! How is that a progressive or even a marginally democratic platform value people? Stop overlooking this crap, and call her on it!

[thesquanderer]

181. Yup. And money they spend now to help defeat a 100% supportive opponent...

...is money they don't have available later, when the Dem nominee (whoever it may be) is likely to be up against someone who wants to defund PP (which describes all the Republican candidates except Trump).

What a stupid use of resources. When both candidates are in your corner, save your money until they're fighting someone who isn't.

[Kittycat]

186. Bingo!

And I'm not so sure I trust Trump on that one, depending on which way the wind blows his hairpiece.

[mgmaggiemg]

176. whoopie ;)

[riversedge]

178. K for the evening readers

[kjones]

184. Yay! Political vindictiveness resulting in misogynistic collective punishment!

One has to question whether people so petty with their donations every
donated to begin with...

[jillan]

201. Women's healthcare is not political. Just ask Susan Komen. Women do not put up with

organizations that play politics with our bodies.

[kjones]

206. Really? "Cause that's what it looks like in here...

[jillan]

196. How I wish the Bernie camp would run an ad with her comments to Chucky on abortion.

[Bohemianwriter]

205. The difference is that Bernie has never denied women their reproductive rights...

It's a part of his civil rights record.

Dismissing a few CEOs and leaders as elitists supporting their own is just what he did correctly.

[Odin2005]

209. Looks like PP wants it's donations to dry up.

[kiva]

211. It was a mistake for PP to endorse one Democrat over another.

Like most people, I have more causes I love than money, so the other causes will benefit from this decision.