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[KingFlorez]

1. I still don't get why Sanders didn't run as an independent

That way, he wouldn't have to go through a primary process. Then again, there are advantages to have a party structure to work with, so he was taking advantage of those. He still should have run as an independent, though.

[TTUBatfan2008]

3. I think...

...because he would rather see the Democrats win than Republicans. He will drop out and endorse Hillary when the time comes, whereas if he ran Independent this would not be the case.

[vdogg]

13. Or

He will still run as an independent and we'll be saying hello to President Trump.

[TTUBatfan2008]

21. I would be very surprised by that.

More than likely he has already signed a pledge to endorse the Democratic Party nominee.

[cali]

25. That's you deliberately not knowing.

It's been posted dozens of time. He does not want to split the vote and play spoiler. Period.

[UglyGreed]

40. They hope he does run third party

so they can have someone to blame when Hillary fails to win.

[Lucinda]

37. It's the money and the party resources. n/t

[MohRokTah]

2. Yep, I keep telling people, there are no raw vote counts in caucuses.

The popular vote does not matter because we can never know the actual popular vote count, only the resulting number of delegates.

And that massive number of flipped super delegates? It was 50 total and all came AFTER Obama had won the requisite number of delegates in primaries and caucuses.

[Kittycat]

4. Factcheck details

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/clinton-and-the-popular-vote/

[hobbit709]

9. didn't read the whole thing did you?

[Kittycat]

15. Maybe you don't know the back story then.

This may help you understand why people refer to her as a weathervane or flip flopped, untrustworthy or lacking in integrity. She didn't win.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101100859_pf.html

[Kittycat]

22. P.S.

And if Michigan’s "uncommited" votes were accorded to Obama, he’d have a 61,703-vote lead (0.2 percent), counting estimates from the non-reporting states.

[bvf]

24. That's a lot like saying

you went to dinner at a vegan restaurant and, after looking over the menu, decided not to order a sirloin steak.

What a laugh.

[questionseverything]

14. because she did not take her name off mich's ballot as promised

Q: Did Clinton win the popular vote?
A: Obama won more votes unless you count Michigan, where he wasn’t on the ballot.

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[hobbit709]

7. Camp Weathervane supporters won't let mere facts get in the way of their outrage.

[6chars]

8. Heck, she even won Michigan by over 300,000 votes.

[demwing]

10. WOW, what bullshit

2008 Popular Vote Total:
Obama - 17,535,458 (48.1%)
Clinton - 17,493,836 (48.0%)

Obama +41,622 +0.1%

The ONLY way Clinton won the popular vote is if you add Michigan, where Obama TOOK HIS NAME OFF THE BALLOT.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[Kittycat]

17. Where ALL democrats took their names off, except...

Camp Weathervane! It really gets tiring, doesn't it?

[demwing]

34. Tiring is a more poklite term than I would use

You are clearly a better person than I am

[Dawgs]

27. Oh fuck..just..huh..what??

Ugh!

[jeff47]

29. Actually, the DNC asked all candidates to do so.

And all candidates promised to do so.

One candidate did not keep her promise.

[demwing]

33. You have no credibility on this issue

In fact, you appear to enjoy the obfuscation.

Buh bye

[Ferd Berfel]

12. And this time we have this

[Warren Stupidity]

16. Reminds me of the bitter Clinton dead-enders

back in 2008 stomping out of here yelling and screaming about how she was robbed.

[Jarqui]

18. Not exactly - a very smelly claim of dubious behavior by Hillary

flip-floppin

On Oct. 11, 2007, Hillary said of the state, "It’s clear, this election they’re having isn’t going to count for anything."

Obama's name wasn't on the ballot because Hillary and Obama made a deal with the DNC to not have their name on the ballot because Michigan moved it's date up. Michigan wasn't going to count.

Only when she sleazed that flip-flop, did she get ahead.

Hillary pressed by saying "count ALL the votes"

When you count the caucus votes - Obama wins that and the overall.

Obama got more votes than Hillary in 2008 but more relevant for today, you remind us of another flip-flop in Hillary's career.

[farleftlib]

36. And she refused to concede for 4 days

It wasn't exactly a graceful exit.

[firebrand80]

19. That's not really what the SD discussion is about

The issue is whether the SD would throw the election for Hillary if Bernie wins more pledged delegates.

By the way, I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening, so it's really a lot of outrage about nothing, especially this early in the process.

[Dawgs]

28. New to this, huh? n/t

[HooptieWagon]

26. Too bad she was caught cheating in Fl and Mi...

...and those votes didn't count.

[gcomeau]

30. Fact: that is a bullshit claim.

Stop trying to count Florida and Michigan in the totals. Some of us remember the ancient history of 8 entire years ago and what happened there.

[AtomicKitten]

39. + the omission of 4 caucus states Obama won big that don't count the popular vote

It takes a double backflip followed by a triple (Frank) Lu(n)tz to get to her winning the popular vote.

[revbones]

31. So Obama won the legitimate votes and Hillary won the illegitimate votes in 2008?

Seems odd to brag about that.

[frylock]

35. Nice failsplaining.

[farleftlib]

38. +1

Her fans engage in extreme pretzel logic followed by "failsplaining."