Hillary Admitted Just NOW That She Watched Bernie's Segment... Town Hall SET UP!

[CorporatistNation]

So NOW the scene has been set and the shenanigans CONFIRMED by Hillary HERSELF!

Hillary was permitted to WATCH BERNIE during his segment providing her an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE in
the Town Hall. Hillary then having listened to Bernie can then more effectively counter his points because she heard what her opponent said... So she comes out and CONFIRMS THAT SHE WATCHED BERNIE!


I KNEW THAT THIS WAS THE CASE! Now Hillary fucked up and confirmed it by pointing to a girl who asked about her Mexican husband being deported to Mexico while her daughters grew up here without their father at home.

Bernie goes first so that Hillary has the advantage... SHAME ON MSNBC for facilitating a one up for Hillary by having Bernie go first and in so doing allows Hillary to watch Bernie!

[nc4bo]

1. By hook or by crook America. nt

[mrmpa]

71. Do you know where that phrase came from?......

When Cromwell was planning to invade Ireland, he said he would take Ireland by Hook (Head) or Crook (Head). He took it by Hook Head.

Just a bit of trivia for the day. I learned this from a docent at Hook Head Lighthouse at in Ireland. The lighthouse it the oldest continually manned and functioning lighthouse in Europe. It has been around since the 5th century AD.

[C Moon]

88. That's great! I love learning tidbits like that.

[senz]

108. Thank you.

These little nuggets are like chocolate chips in a cookie.

[nc4bo]

116. Fascinating indeed!

[Mbrow]

159. cool beans!

[freebrew]

135. Wish I knew how to post a music clip...

'By Hook Or By Crook' great music from Dan Hicks...

(seemed fitting)

[Oilwellian]

158. Copy the address of the video

paste in this section of your response, and voila!

[freebrew]

161. Great!...Thx.

[LonePirate]

2. When did these town halls become game shows with the participants waiting in soundproof booths?

[Agschmid]

4. They didn't...

[CorporatistNation]

11. When Is Bernie Goint To Be Going SECOND? That's My Point!

WTF!

[cascadiance]

31. I guess not as long as they have the same coins used in Iowa coin tosses.

I guess they have to be very careful to watch what happens to that coin there in Nevada. Someone might want to steal that to use at a casino there somewhere!

[CorporatistNation]

64. Emailed Rachel to Inquire As To WHEN Bernie Would Go Second in A Town Hall

Emailed link to this too...

[Duval]

127. Glad you did! Thanks!

[kiva]

109. No coins,

we do card draws in Nevada.

[99th_Monkey]

39. Bernie doesn't possess the "Magic Coin" that MSNBC flipped

That "head's Hillary Wins, Tails Bernie loses" coin they always use.

[lob1]

56. Yeah, he's been first every single time.

[LiberalElite]

60. So, my question is - does he agree to this and if so, WHY? or if it 's not his choice

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE?!? besides blatant favoritism towards Her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. No big deal, Bernie doesn't need the same advantages as Hillary.... he's got authenticity on his side.

Hillary wouldn't even commit to not lying to the American people! Unreal!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[madokie]

117. Bernie has awesomeness

HRC not so much

Actually I think it matters not so much as Bernie answers questions where HRC skirts the question if it hits too hard. Soft balls she can handle but the fast ones not so much. Bernie can handle himself in any setting and by doing what m$nbc is doing they are showing those who aren't blind who has what.
I didn't hear a boo at any answers from Bernie but I did from Hillary so that tells me a lot in itself.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

123. I think you summed it up perfectly. Bernie is the real deal.... some people's inability to see thru Hillary's "schtick" just amazes me.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[bettyellen]

69. Bernie WON he coin toss. I assume he had his reasons to chose going first?

[JimDandy]

83. Does a 'win' mean you go first, or does it mean you get to pick whether you go first or second?

No one has said which

[bettyellen]

94. Good question- a friend of mine pointed out viewership can drop off after 10 PM, so I think first is

also a valid choice. He could also fit in another speech if he high tailed it out of there at 10.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. Must be using the same coin as in Iowa!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Beacool]

80. Listen carefully: HE CHOSE TO GO FIRST.

Call him and ask him why he chose to go first.

[cui bono]

107. Listen carefully: WHERE'S THE LINK?

Google it and post the article that states he chose to go first.



.

[SusanCalvin]

119. Listen carefully: That's not the same as the host networks allowing her to listen in. nt

[840high]

133. .^that

[BeanMusical]

160. +1 Absolutely.

[DrDan]

115. next Saturday for sure

[Agschmid]

3. Is she not allowed to watch broadcast/cable TV?

[dana_b]

10. puh-lease..

you wouldn't have liked it if the tables were turned. She can respond to what he says. She could say "I disagree with what Senator Sanders said..." and he will have no way to answer back! It's dirty tricks and completely unfair.

[Agschmid]

16. I'd be fine with it, why wouldn't they watch each other.

I love when people think they know exactly how I'd feel about something...

[Lucky Luciano]

37. Cool - lets play one on one Texas Hold 'em.

I get to be the dealer every hand (meaning I bet last every round and get to see your move first).

It'll be a hoot.

[Agschmid]

65. Because Texas hold 'em and a presidential candidate town hall are the same...

[TheFarS1de]

73. Texas Hold'em is more honest than anything going on in politics right now .

So yeah , politics less transparent than a card game , seems legit .

[valerief]

5. We knew she right from the start when she said something to that woman who asked Bernie

about her husband being in prison.

[CorporatistNation]

14. Guess Who Is NOT Like Bernie?

HRC!

[X_Digger]

48. Someone lost alerting priveleges for 24 hours..

We knew she right from the start when she said something to that woman who asked Bernie
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1270000

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The banner 'Bernie, He's not an Asshole' Next to a picture of Hillary. This accompanies way too many posters for bernie. This is absolutely disrespectful to a former first lady,senator,and secretary of state. DU should root through all these post and suspend these posters.They go far beyond inappropriate and dispicable behaivior.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:10 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Banner? What is all this blah blah about a banner?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh for fuck's sake, grow the fuck up.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: ? - I don't see a banner - is this a drinking game alert?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I had to hunt down what this was in reference to you can't see it in the alert. I think that's just a coincidence in this case. I disagree with the banner saying bernie isn't an asshole. I can't hide this it's not hideworthy.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How does saying "Bernie, He's not an Asshole" mean Hillary is? You've got to be kidding.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I shall not stop voting on juries looking at GDP alerts. I shall not stop voting to LEAVE IT ALONE more than 90% of the time. This particular alert is just so much more petty crap. Too bad, Alerter. You lose. 👎

Mine was one of the more colorful responses.

[valerief]

54. Ha! Thanks! Hey, my guess is Hillary will support Bernie--even wear his T shirt--

when Bernie wins the nomination.

BTW, those comments are fun!

[Old Codger]

72. LOL

someone doesn't like that so I am adding it to mine hmm doesn't show up have to fix that

[renate]

6. that really is inexplicable

Unless they were deliberately trying to stack the deck against Bernie, which I don't quite want to believe. I assume/hope the coin toss thing was for real and Bernie was simply the one who ended up going first--but to let the second candidate watch the first? Who was stupid enough to approve that?

[CorporatistNation]

58. It Was A STACKed Deck!

BS all the way!

[rtracey]

143. coin flip

[Segami]

7. I heard that too!!

That is extremely unfair to be listening in on your opponent's answers to questions posed to him.

[CorporatistNation]

74. Hillary IS As Hillary Does... And She Does What She Wants...

Character free zone with Hillary aka Clinton Incorporated.

[Jarqui]

8. Looks like @SenatorReid packed the crowd for Hillary.

https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/700520407946829824
Jon Ralston ?@RalstonReports 12m12 minutes ago
Looks like @SenatorReid packed the crowd for Hillary.

[valerief]

13. Someone certainly did. nt

[UglyGreed]

144. I missed the first part of the town hall

did Bernie also get a standing ovation when he entered??? If not then we all know the crowd was stacked once again. Plus all the name dropping by Hillary to get some extra applause was a nice touch....

[Jarqui]

145. I missed the start as well .. nt

[UglyGreed]

146. Thanks for the reply

[CorporatistNation]

9. Hell Yeah... That's The POINT...

Say it Ain't So!


It AIN"T fucking Fair MSNBC!

[KingFlorez]

12. I don't see the issue

The rules of these sort of forums usually don't include anything about not watching the other candidate's performance. It's not Sanders wouldn't have been able to do the same thing had he not gone first. There really isn't much of an advantage to be had here.

[nc4bo]

15. Sanders stands for something. Not so sure WHAT Hillary stands for.

Advantage Hillary.

[SusanCalvin]

42. You're kidding, right...? nt

[KingFlorez]

45. No

And that is all I will say.

[cascadiance]

17. I guess that this explains why this lady NEVER goes first in these debates!

Hmm... So much for that way to treat a lady!

When they started the debate, they said Bernie "won" the coin flip to start the debate. Hmm.. Did they have the same coins that they used in the Iowa caucuses? Was it his "choice" to go first, or was it just in actuality a coin flip that itself "determined" he go first?

[winter is coming]

19. ^^ This. Hillary always bats last.

It's already been announced that she'll be going second at next week's town hall.

I guess she's too weak to risk letting anyone else have the last word.

[stopbush]

28. They said they flipped a coin and Bernie won.

I assume he chose to go first. Maybe he prefers going first.

[cascadiance]

33. That was implied, but I don't think it was clear that it was his *choice* to go first!

[AtomicKitten]

29. If she's allowed to listen in, that's a distinct advantage and why she chooses to be last.

[JTFrog]

150. She didn't choose. Bernie did. He won the toss. But keep making shit up.

It makes you super credible.

[AtomicKitten]

154. Well gosh that information wasn't available when I made my post so I'm glad to retract.

Your hostility makes your retort super dickish.

[JTFrog]

155. Lol.

That's funny coming from someone so hostile they had their jury privileges revoked.

[AtomicKitten]

156. Ooooooh, burn.

[brooklynite]

18. I'm sorry, did Bernie request an isolation booth?

[tokenlib]

20. Well, I hope he's not in one now..ha ha n/t

[cascadiance]

23. I guess he thinks he's in a townhall. Evindently she thinks she's in a debate...

... where she can RESPOND to what she hears to the audience. Bernie doesn't have the opportunity and isn't in a "debate" like she's in.

[brooklynite]

24. So Bernie didn't respond to any of Clinton's stated positions and policies?

[cascadiance]

27. He didn't respond to what she would LATER say AFTER he sat down!

He didn't have that opportunity of being able to respond to what she said tonight the way she had an opportunity to respond to the same audience sitting there to what HE said earlier at this event.

NOT THE SAME!!!

[CorporatistNation]

38. Agree With Cascadiance...Bernie Did Not HAve To Effing CHEATTTTT!!!1

Hillary cannot ever play fair... Her character and integrity are not compatible with being a candidate much less the President. I'm sorry... She just does not have any compunctions about lying or cheating no matter what... It is a psychological flaw.

[SusanCalvin]

50. Sigh...

If she in fact was allowed to listen to his responses before making hers, it was wrong. It would have been wrong if it was the other way around. Whether or not it in practice advantaged or disadvantaged anyone.

[brooklynite]

51. Maybe the two campaigns new this was allowed and didn't care.

[SusanCalvin]

57. I guess it's possible they knew, if it did in fact happen.

I'd be interested in the full facts, if I could get them.

[brooklynite]

61. Why won't Bernie Sanders reveal the rules? What's he trying to hide?

Or maybe...he thinks this is absolutely meaningless.

[Bubzer]

66. Are you freaking kidding? Bernie doesn't make the rules. He follows them. Unlike HRC.

[SusanCalvin]

120. He will not mention it, I'm sure.

I wouldn't either if I were Bernie. However, I'm me, and it was wrong.

[kstewart33]

55. Good question.

LOL.

[still_one]

126. Whether that is or is not the case, the fact is Bernie did not say anything that he hasn't said

before, whether on the campaign trail, in debates, or on interviews.

There is no "gotcha" politics or unfair advantage

[OhZone]

21. Oh geez. Some people can't stay up past 10PM so it's not 100% advantage to go second! nt

[artyteacher]

36. Maybe Bernie can't stay up past 10pm. lol eom

[EndElectoral]

22. She may have watched him, but it hasn't helped her.

[SusanCalvin]

47. That much is true. It still isn't right. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

91. Not at all... Hillary was at her worst tonight. No doubt lost a lot of votes.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[LiberalAndProud]

25. As far as I can see, there is no victim here.

It's not politic to look for boogeymen behind every tree.

[Bubzer]

67. Of COURSE you wouldn't see one. YOU SUPPORT the CHEATER! I expect no less.

[LiberalAndProud]

103. Show me who I support.

What I don't support is cheat calling where there is none. It's whiny little cry baby shenanigans and cheapens Bernie's excellent candidacy.

[Bubzer]

124. What it is, is yet another demonstration of hillary's willingness to ignore rules for personal gain.

If she's willing to do it at this level, how can we reasonably expect anything less should she get to the oval office?

We need less of this type of behavior, not more.

[stopbush]

26. It's all a conspiracy!! Lee Harvey was in the wings.

Did you see the mobsters and the Russians??

[CorporatistNation]

32. Lee Harvey Had ZERO To Do Wirth It~

That comment demonstrates a knowledge free zone!

[stopbush]

35. Read Bugliosi, then get back to me in, oh, about two weeks.

Facts, not fantasies, be it in the subject of who killed JFK or what someone's healthcare plan will actually cost.

[dchill]

30. Channeling Allen Ludden...

The password is "dastardly."

[disillusioned73]

34. This does feel a bit icky..

.... what really jumped out to me was the over enthusiasm demonstrated by the "audience" when she came out.. it seemed a bit over the top. Almost Like the Clinton supporters were compensating for something - did Sanders strong segment (that she obviously watched) make them nervous.. maybe.

I'm looking forward to the next debate.. hold on, did she just say "free college".. wtf?

[CorporatistNation]

49. AGREED... HIGHTLY STAGED... The Whole Thing WasA TOTAL SET UP For Hillary!!!!

I doid not watch Bernie... Honest... Hillary says...

[JTFrog]

96. Don't you feel silly knowing Bernie chose to go first and felt it gave HIM the advantage?

The transcripts have been posted. He won the coin toss and chose to go first. It's flattering that you think Hillary is this all powerful controlling being, but sometimes, a coin toss is just a coin toss.

[Pharaoh]

63. ^^This^^

[Grassy Knoll]

40. AHHHHHHHHHH

[BlueMTexpat]

139. LOVE that!

[kjones]

41. OooOOOOoooh noooo!

If she hadn't done that, she'd have never been able to guess what Bernie
was talking about (Health care, free college, campaign finance....and I didn't
watch any of it.)

[SusanCalvin]

52. Sigh....

The point is whether, if it happened, it was right or wrong. Wrong.

[kjones]

104. I know right? Why did Bernie get the first swing at Clinton?

Honestly, if Hillary went first, you guys would be complaining that
her position allowed her to frame the town hall to suit her needs or
got first crack at Bernie...or whatever, you'd find something.
For all you know, they played rock-paper-scissors for it.
(I was going to say flipped for it, but that'd really set you
guys off).

[SusanCalvin]

118. Apples and oranges.

It was two separate town hall meetings. If one got to listen to the other and one didn't, that is not right.

BTW, I don't know what you mean by "you guys," but I'm on record as objecting to some Bernie supporters' modus operandi.

HOWEVER, I know not right (this case) when I see it.

[nc4bo]

43. Last few minutes post townhall should confirm Bernie was in hostile territory and he was stellar

despite it.

Remember the townhall host said the candidate's supporters were evenly divided.

30 Sanders
30 Clinton
40 Nevada Democractic Party.

[dubyadiprecession]

44. Don't beat up on hillary, She's trying to save the democratic party from a socialist insurgency.

[cascadiance]

68. Glad we didn't have that Democratic Party in charge keeping down FDR's socialist insurgency then!

Might not have been able to survive that depression if we didn't put in place some socialism then!

Still yet to be seen what happens in the next depression when the crash happens, and on top of that the world looks to get ruined through climate change. Koch brothers' capitalism going to rescue us?

NAHH!!!

No to their money and the DLC infestation they created in this once great party!

[zentrum]

46. Typical.

Bernie needs to see this kind of thing coming.

[Purveyor]

53. Doesn't matter now she was horrific tonight. Mt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. That's being kind!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[madaboutharry]

59. This is a ridiculous post.

What gives you the idea that the person going second can't listen to the other candidate. You think there is some "rule" she broke? What did she do, hide in the bathroom and stream it on her phone? Really?

[BlueMTexpat]

137. Not only that, but

the order of precedence was divided by a coin toss.

Sheesh.

[Enthusiast]

62. Maintaining the status quo is important business.

[SoapBox]

70. Well, what the fuck...

Always, ALWAYS something with a Clinton.

I am SO over 30+ years of some find of shady CRAP going on with them.

[JeaneRaye]

75. coin toss

Who went first was determined by a coin toss. Bernie won it and apparently he chose to go first. I am a Bernie supporter, but you are showing outrage for no reason.

[Divernan]

81. LINK, please?

[JTFrog]

92. It's in the transcripts even.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/transcript-msnbc-telemundo-clinton-sanders-town-hall-n520781

TODD: Our first chance to do that during this campaign.

But first, Jose and I will have a couple of questions that we'd like to ask both of the candidates and we'll be starting with Senator Bernie Sanders tonight. He won a coin toss, which means he will be coming out here first.

So please join us in welcoming Senator Bernie Sanders.

[Divernan]

99. Thanks! That wasn't so hard was it -I always include links

[BlueMTexpat]

138. Thank you for your sanity.

It is sadly lacking in this thread.

[JTFrog]

76. HE WON THE COIN TOSS AND WANTED TO GO FIRST. TOWN HALL SET UP!1!!11!

"SHAME ON MSNBC for facilitating a one up for Hillary by having Bernie go first and in so doing allows Hillary to watch Bernie!"

You should write Bernie and tell him you are pissed he chose to go first.

I'm pretty sure none of your posts here should be taken seriously.

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. Didn't watch a moment of it (NASCAR was racing) but one would think...

If she knew what to be ready for going in, she should have done better than I'm reading she did.

[elleng]

78. Right. Pretty damned annoying.

[CoffeeCat]

82. Look at it this way

Hillary has every advantage in this race. Every possible advantage.

It's mind blowing the advantages that she had.

And still, with all of that--she's not winning.

[JTFrog]

87. And yet Bernie thought it was to his advantage to go first.

Being as how that was his choice in winning the coin toss. But I guess Hillary is so damn powerful that she just jedi mind tricked him into chosing to go first.

Do people even think before they post here?

FFS.

[Beacool]

85. Oh, the daily drama........

That dastardly Hillary. Why does she always go second?

There's a glitch with that conspiracy theory. Apparently, Sanders won the coin toss and he chose to go first.

Damn, another wasted tin foil hat.

[Green Texan]

86. In the Town Halls and the Democratic Forum he always goes first

It is not a coincidence that they have him go first.

[JTFrog]

89. "It is not a coincidence that they have him go first." He CHOSE to go first.

He won the coin toss, he chose to go first.

And yeah, I know... I'll have to say this at least 20 times in this thread and it will still be ignored.

You guys don't do your candidate any favors with this ignorant crap.

[gordianot]

101. With the short attention span of most voters I see the advantage of going first.

Bernie won the coin toss. About all Hillary could respond too on Sanders better points was "me too". Advantage Sanders on this format. Chuck Toad looked decidedly nervous to me he wanted Sanders to attack in Hillary's absence and Sanders resisted.

[FreedomRain]

141. not doing the candidate any favors

I am now decided on Sanders, and I agree with this statement. It's not an issue, let's stick to the issues.

and to preempt any comment about "It's about character" let me pre-respond, that "That's dumb, there are way more important character signs than this one, which many people so far have agreed just isn't one."

[ucrdem]

90. Conspiracy theory fail.

[JTFrog]

97. LET'S ALL KEEP BASHING HILLARY FOR BERNIE'S DECISION BECAUSE... REVOLUTION!!!!!11!!!

OH, and some made up conspiracy theory by the OP. But it's rec'd over 100 times so it must be SERIES!1!!!!

La la la la la... You can't hear me, I know.

[uponit7771]

106. +1

[NanceGreggs]

98. Evidence yet again ...

... that Bernie is the Goldilocks candidate.

The debates/town halls are always scheduled on the wrong day, at the wrong time, in the wrong venue, in front of the wrong audience, with the wrong moderators, who ask the wrong questions on the wrong topics, who throw the softballs at Hillary while whipping the hardballs at poor Bernie - and now they're introducing the candidates in the wrong order.

When, oh! when will Bernie be able to say: "And THIS one is just right"?

[NurseJackie]

132. When? ... Never.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[retrowire]

100. I have no doubt that this is how its always worked

because they aren't kept in soundproof booths while they wait.

but it's obviously an advantageous tactic.

[gwheezie]

102. This is one of the funniest outrages yet

Why does Bernie always win the coin toss? That Hillary must use some kind of mind control that forced him to win the coin toss and THEN mesmerize him into going 1st when everyone knows going 1st is just wrong.
You really can't make this stuff up.

[workinclasszero]

128. Cant wait to see what the conspiracy of the week is gonna be

after SC!

[NurseJackie]

130. Indeed! It's gonna be fun!

[mikehiggins]

105. I assume this is okay by the rules of DU

This is what HRC said, according to the MSNBC transcript:

"And I understand that somebody asked Senator Sanders a question because her husband was in Mexico -- I don't who asked that question. And I want to tell you, I will end the three and 10-year bar provision so that you do not have to face that ever again."

It does raise the question of how she knew that, doesn't it?

[gwheezie]

110. What don't you understand?

She said she understood someone asked that question. I'm not baffled or stymied either she heard the Bernie segment or one of her aides in the audience heard it and passed it on to her. Were these secret town hall meetings because why was it televised?

[Liberaltalker]

111. Correct me if I'm wrong

but if memory serves me back in the 2008 primary townhalls featuring Hillary and Obama they did use sound isolation to prevent the one going second from having an advantage.

[Waiting For Everyman]

112. If she were as cool as she thinks she is, she wouldn't have to cheat all the time.

There is no sense of fairness in this woman. So what makes anyone think she would treat us at all fairly as President? She's always out to get whatever she can get away with. I think it's bordering on amoral.

She's completely incapable of just doing the right thing.

Kinda reminds me of the bank execs and billionaire class, now that I think about it.

[CorporatistNation]

121. EXCELLENT POINT! She ONLY Cares About Herself AND of Course, Her BENEFACTORS...

Wall Street et al! It IS... All About Hillary! I liked how she slid away from the Corporate Board of Wall Street question... A very, very slippery character indeed. Not someone that I want to be POTUS!

[JTFrog]

151. And if Bernie was kicking so much ass as ya'll say he is, you wouldn't have to make shit up.

Bernie won the toss. He chose to go first. Do you think she jedi mind tricked him into chosing to go first?

It was Bernie's choice. Fucking deal with it.

[Uncle Joe]

113. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, CorporatistNation.

[islandmkl]

114. I'm getting used to the format...and in the long run it serves Bernie well, I think...

Bernie explains his positions, answers questions in depth, and presents examples of what he proposes and how they will work for people...

to be followed by someone who spends a great deal of time and energy attacking what was said looks exactly like that...AN ATTACK...which diminishes HRC's presentation of her 'true' positions...

it is just as obvious to the viewers as it is to the audience...she is a good speaker, debater, whatever...but spending time trying to diminish the other candidate versus developing your own case is not a winning formula....

wasn't in 2008 and won't be again....

[Admiral Loinpresser]

122. It's a farce.

Right down to the stacked audience. The audience didn't represent America.

[rainbowlaw]

125. Where did she confirm this?

This is the only source of this information so before I share it, I want to know where it came from.

[thereismore]

129. My conclusion: She is not a smart liar. nt

[noamnety]

131. This was an issue with McCain in the past

at Saddleback: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/did_mccain_cheat_at_saddleback.html (lots of DU threads about it)

However, I don't know the agreed upon format for this event.

[CorporatistNation]

162. Plenty of Cheating By Hillary!

[Bluenorthwest]

134. John McCain did this at Saddleback Church with Obama and Obama supporters were furious

about it. Every cycle is the same cycle.

[BlueMTexpat]

136. They flipped a

frickin' coin to see who would go first. Sheesh!

Bernie would have watched Hillary if he had not gone first in the questioning. I doubt that HRC supporters would be behaving like this if that had happened.

Of course, the coin was in on the conspiracy.

[FreedomRain]

140. this is the most ridiculous

Hillary is an American citizen and has every right to hear what a candidate has to say to the people.
Whatever small advantage may accrue from being able to respond after thinking about it, instead of off the cuff, is negated by the advantage in framing the debate, and in having more viewers. Maybe they should switch up the order, but then you lose the excitement of not knowing. And now, I am curious too, if "win the flip" means choice or just "You go first." Mildly curious.

[rtracey]

142. flip of a coin

It was a flip of a coin. Bernie would have been an idiot if he went 2nd and didn't watch Clinton. Making a big deal out of nothing....

[DisgustipatedinCA]

147. With apologies to the lyricist, the crib notes aren't working anymore.

Also known as, "yeah, how did that work out for her?".

[magical thyme]

148. You know what? I still think he's better off going first...

it keeps him in prime time. People who aren't political junkies tune in to learn about him. Hillary comes on, it's getting late, they already "know" Hillary so are more likely to tune out.

All her dirty tricks in the world just end up backfiring on her anyway. So I'm willing to let it ride

[YOHABLO]

149. I am suspicious of the whole set up. Prepared questions? What was Reid doing there?

That crowd was definitely stacked in favor of Hillary. I'm smelling a rat.

[JTFrog]

152. Reid is the Senator from Nevada. It was a Nevada town hall. What the fuck do you mean why was

he there?

Jesus fucking christ this thread is full of more stupidity than a sane person can handle.

[Kalidurga]

153. Don't care.

Hillary isn't going to get more popular. She is tanking in national polls now right on schedule. She is going to start losing Super Delegates support soon.

[jwirr]

157. You expect this kind of stuff from MSNBC and Chuck Toad

but Rachel? Why was she even willing to be a part of this farce?