The Democratic Party isn't some sacred totem.

[cali]

It isn't beyond reproach. Membership in and of itself doesn't denote honor or decency or good policy. It doesn't prevent corruption.

Wearing that label isn't nearly as important as standing up for working people and poor people. Bernie has done that all his adult life.

Hillary, the proud democrat, has not.

[djean111]

1. Interesting how Debbie Wasserman-Schultz can get away with supporting her GOP buddies -

against "fellow Democrats" - in elections here in Florida, but some here just keep braying about devotion to the "D".
Boy, do they need to clean house. Or just acknowledge that the Third Way has taken over, and the "D" brand ain't what it used to be. A little truth in advertising would be nice.

[VulgarPoet]

2. Far as I'm concerned, they can have that label after the primary

because the Third Way has tainted and sullied it beyond recognition. Who's for a proper Labor party?

[farleftlib]

4. A-men to both

the OP and the responses. I don't even recognize the Democratic Party anymore. The big tent doesn't even want people like me in it anymore, we're considered fringe. Until Bernie. If the Dems don't come back to their roots after seeing what a huge impact Bernie has had, then it's a lost cause.

[wendylaroux]

77. Yes please.

[merrily]

26. Even as head of the Party, Obama would not support the Democratic candidate and said nice things

about his opponent. Crist and Chafee leap come to mind.

[SwampG8r]

37. As a floridian watching them push crist

Over actual party dems said it all.
When i look back i will.see.the meeks affair as the last straw.for me.
It was the opening of my eyes as to what " new democrat" means
It means "old republican"

[merrily]

48. It got us, Senator Rubio, too, maybe even President Rubio someday.

If I had to back someone to lose to Rubio, I would have preferred to back a Democrat to lose to Rubio.

Oh, and I forgot New Jersey. Remember all the support for NJ Governor Buono?

Yeah, neither do I. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/05/why-national-democrats-rolled-over-for-chris-christie.html

[SwampG8r]

65. I was told by one of the loyalty oathers

That "thick headed" dems like me were "foolish" to support the dem instead of crist
Thats when loyalty went out the window for me.
The same people are trying to tell us who is and who isnt a dem now are now demanding party loyalty when they have shown tbe.selves to have none
Dws helping the gop in state elections is kind of a tell too

[CrispyQ]

69. This: ...the "D" brand ain't what it used to be.

A little truth in advertising would be nice.

To her credit, HRC does have a logo that points to the right, so we can't say we weren't warned.

[libtodeath]

3. The party should be the people not the other way around

like Hillary supporters seem to think where we should just sit back and be spoon fed a candidate.

[livetohike]

5. Yeah, Sanders* has made a name for himself all

over the world for decades for his leadership in these areas. Oh , wait. No he hasn't.

[VulgarPoet]

6. Just like Hillary's made a reputation for not being a warmonger for herself for decades.

Oh, wait.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

[cali]

7. He made a name for himself with progressives all across the country

years before he ran for.president. Hill? She made a name for herself by being married to a President.

[libtodeath]

9. His name is not associated with dishonest either.

[roguevalley]

16. god, this annoys me. he's a better dem than her, dws and her

Petticoat mafia and he did it without a d. Independents are the biggest group in my state. Keep talking hrc. You're only behind him 14 pts. In my state.

[wendylaroux]

78. Oh my heavens! you should not speak of a ladies petticoat!

I have got the vapors now!!

[roguevalley]

84. Bwahahaha! I will give you my pearls when I'm done with them. My g. aunts would exclaim, "I will be

swanned!' before fainting.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. Because this label is

primarily asserted by her DU detractors and other GOPers, it has little credibility for me.

But keep on repeating it if you please. It's like the boy who cried "wolf."

[libtodeath]

50. Only her supporters think she is honest is not a great campaign theme.

[BlueMTexpat]

55. Her supporters will prove

to be in the majority.

[TheFarS1de]

61. Of income ?

[Maedhros]

71. It's a widespread notion, regardless of source:

?itok=zwyDwdUE

[merrily]

27. He's sure making one now. A good one, too.

[Scalded Nun]

44. He was concerning himself with doing the right thing,

not what best promoted his name.

His lack of self-promotion has hurt him with name-recognition, that much is true. He could have done so much more to self-promote.

But then he wouldn't be Bernie, would he?

[Tarc]

8. Well, this isn't progressiveunderground.com or liberalunderground.com

People here are committed to electing all Democrats who run for office.

[libtodeath]

10. That is just sad.

[Jester Messiah]

12. Yeah... since when was blind fealty to labels a good thing? [nt]

[zeemike]

19. And it is not underground anymore either.

There is nothing underground about the DLC, DWS and Hillary Clinton.

But the majority here are for the underground candidate...Bernie Sanders, so at it's core DU is still underground.

[merrily]

32. It never was. From everything I've read, it began as the Democratic answer to Bush's election.

The only "underground" bit was that it was not pro-Bush.

As best I can tell, DU was never promoting a leftist rebellion against the wishes of the Democratic PTB.

There's nothing wrong with being straight Democratic Party, especially if you say that straight out. I think DU and Skinner have said it straight out, including in the TOS.

[zeemike]

83. Perhaps not but it was the underground part that attracted people.

At least it did for me...I found this place because I watched the anti Bush protest on C-span and saw Skinner holding up the sign for Democraticunderground.com and went there...not because of the democratic but because of the Underground part.

And I think most of the people here now and then are leftist rebels against the PTB.
Di spite what the Admin is about.

[dchill]

20. Too bad. Liberal and Progressive used to be...

somewhat synonymous with Democratic. Now they're profanities, unless Hillary uses them to describe herself. Then they're protected speech. (And untrue!)

[pinebox]

21. So one should never speak bad of their leaders?

Sorry but I will NOT be silenced!
And either will they!

[merrily]

43. Our leaders, the public figures get to speak badly about us, the people who put them in office who

are not public figures. As for us criticizing public figures, how about a warm,

[weknowvino2]

25. This is AMERICA. I can vote for

ANYBODY I LIKE.

I like BERNIE SANDERS

[davidthegnome]

33. Ah, well then...

fortunately Sanders is running as a democrat, so we can all feel safe in supporting him here.

[JohnnyRingo]

39. Wait and see what happens if Clinton wins the nom.

I'm pretty sure a good number of frustrated Sanders supporters will try to use the site to springboard an independent run for Bernie. They'll continue to bash the Democratic nominee as unworthy and refer to other members as "turd way" with ill results.

DU will be a lot more polite after the worst of them are gone and I can't say I'll miss the "more liberal than thou" snottiness. Lately I think the site has become a haven for disgruntled voters too young to have cast a vote for Ralph Nader.

[2banon]

42. This reads like a promotional

I'm pretty sure a good number of frustrated Sanders supporters will try to use the site to springboard an independent run for Bernie.

interesting comment.

[merrily]

46. Well, look at you, making a snotty post about how snotty other DUers are.

Heaven help me, but I just love unintentional irony.

[JohnnyRingo]

72. "I know you are, but what am I"?

Such a retort should end a discussion, but I feel a need to elaborate.

Snottiness is someone telling me that DU is only for liberals and I should find another site to air my views. It's telling me I'm "turd way" or that they're a Bernie supporter because, unlike me, they care about the world they'll leave their children. It's telling me I should have my head examined for supporting such a "vile excuse for a human being", all of which have been directed to me in the past nine months.

Most of these comments have been directed to me before I even chose sides. Indeed, it's the rudeness of too many Sanders' supporters that drove me into the Hillary camp. I actually felt sorrow for her and I don't want to be associated with such haughty people who think they have some kind of moral high ground above moderate Democrats.

Posts that discount Bernie Sanders' campaign have been primarily focused on his issues and question his ability to carry them out. I've yet to see personal attacks on Bernie's character or calling out his supporters as unworthy. Like most Clinton people I like Bernie and would happily support him if he wins the nom. For now though, I'm betting the odds to gain a decisive win in November, and unlike too many Bernie folks, I'm not threatening to withhold my vote if Hillary doesn't persevere. This OP implies that voting for the eventual Democratic candidate is dependent upon who wins the nomination.

[merrily]

75. Ah, I see. You get to define snottiness as someone saying things you don't like about you.

Therefore, nothing you say about anyone else comes within the definition of snotty.

I still love unintentional irony.

[freebrew]

57. Bull!...

Anyone that follows Bernie knows that IF he loses to HRC, Bernie will be the very first to offer his support.

That's the way Bernie rolls...

[JohnnyRingo]

74. I'm actually counting on that...

...but back in '04 (08?) when Kucinich was eliminated, some tried to carry on his campaign here, and he didn't garner half the passionate enthusiasm that Bernie does. I'll guarantee that regardless of what Bernie says if he fails the nomination some will try to draft him in an independent run here in DU. Regardless, the disdain for Hillary isn't going away just because she wins the nomination, as the OP implies.

For the record, if Sanders wins I'll happily offer up my complete support with donations and volunteer my time. I just think Clinton has a better chance against a Cruz, Rubio, or especially a relatively moderate Kasich.

[Z_California]

76. Sanders has already been calling for unity

It's why he didn't run as an Indy and why he doesn't attack HRC. You can bet all your possessions that he will campaign for the eventual nominee whether it is he or his opponent. He says it every time he makes his stump speech.

The fact that many of his supporters won't vote for HRC in the GE is another issue. The Democratic party can blame those voters for the loss in November (the Rahm Emanuel "fucking retards" take) or they can take an honest look in the mirror as to why they are losing their base. I bet it won't be the latter!

[freebrew]

88. ^^this!^^

[eridani]

109. Current polling says exactly the opposite n/t

[wendylaroux]

86. yes,what the needy and sick need is politeness.

[jtuck004]

110. You give hope that all the dinosaurs aren't extinct yet. I am old enough to have voted for Nader,

and I damn well am voting for President Sanders.

Just a note that there may be other opinions - after the "worst" of us are gone, what is left may not be worth messing with.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. Except when they are not. DU favored recent Republican Charlie Crist over Democrat Kendrick Meek

in Florida and Chairperson Debbie has campaigned for Republicans pals over Democrats also in Florida. The admins here supported Crist over the Democrat, Crist who had called Palin more qualified than Obama......

[enigmatic]

85. And this is why I laugh at the constant loyalty oaths to the Democratic Party here

They demand it- until they admins tell them to vot for the Indy/GOP candidates against progressive Democratic candidates when it's convenient.

[frylock]

93. Except when they aren't.

See Crist, Charlie.

[Lorien]

101. Advertisers must love you

was the "Patriot Act" Patriotic? Did the "clear skies initiative" promote clear skies? What does your candidate STAND FOR? How would anyone be better off with her in office? She was a hardcore Republican who wanted to destroy liberalism (yes, thank you for admitting that you have contempt for liberals and Progressives) in America by infiltrating the Democratic Party and making it into an extension of the GOP. This is well documented. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

[Lorien]

103. " This isn't progressiveunderground.com or liberalunderground.com"

Obviously you don't believe that Liberals or Progressives belong in the party. What does that leave, eh?

[Tarc]

106. Of course they belong

But the constant savaging of Clinton and her supporters by the likes of you is counterproductive. Regardless of which candidate eventually secures the nomination, we should all be on the same side here. But the more and more that Camp Sanders gets shrill and ugly the more their candidate loses ground, the harder that gets.

[Hydra]

107. And what will happen if Hillary loses, pray tell?

I'm sure Team Hill will suddenly become 100% supportive of our Nominee and shut down the cave site...right?

[eridani]

108. Unless you are DWS, in which case you support your Repuke buddies in FL n/t

[tk2kewl]

11. she is treating as a brand

no different than coke or pepsi

take a side

[JohnnyRingo]

35. You aren't loyal to brands?

I have a feeling despite your independent claims you don't drink much store brand cola. There's a reason the big brands sell so well, and it's because they have a formula that works. No one flips a coin when they make a purchase.

Personally, I'm a loyal Democrat for good reason, and there are many, many more like me than there are Independent voters. Thank goodness.

Sometimes I wonder how many here were Nader's Raiders back in the day, but perhaps most weren't old enough then.

[cali]

38. Are you actually comparing cola to Hillary?

And sorry there are more independents than either republicans or democrats


- In 2015, for the fifth consecutive year, at least four in 10 U.S. adults identified as political independents. The 42% identifying as independents in 2015 was down slightly from the record 43% in 2014. This elevated percentage of political independents leaves Democratic (29%) and Republican (26%) identification at or near recent low points, with the modest Democratic advantage roughly where it has been over the past five years.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

[JohnnyRingo]

51. I believe Kewl was comparing the party to cola

I was debating party loyalty as it compares to major branding, and yes, like so many I'm loyal to the Democratic brand.

As for people declaring themselves as independents, I work the polls here in Ohio and you wouldn't believe how many voters refuse to state their party affiliation. They try to say they're independents until they're told they can't have a Democratic primary ballot.

Many people say they're indys because they think it's none of anyone's business, or because they sometimes vote for the other party, not because they support the Green Party or actual independents. Ralph Nader and Ross Perot, the most well known and successful Independents, never saw anything above single digit percentages.

[cali]

53. Oh please. Anecdotal stories from an anonymous poster

are not evidence.

[Ken Burch]

112. in '92, Perot got 18% n/t.

[frylock]

95. I'm a big brand loyalist, but only when I'm happy with the product.

[democrank]

13. Being admonished for not siding with every single Establishment Democrat

even if some of those Democrats go against principles you hold dear, is really disturbing. Back when George W. Bush was in office, there were a zillion posts here criticizing Bush supporters who blindly followed Republican Establishment thinking.

I`m an issues voter who doesn`t believe in establishment coronations. Since Bernie Sanders truly represents my positions on issues, I`m going to support him whether the Establishment likes it or not....and they don`t.

[UglyGreed]

14. Absolute power

corrupts absolutely, if we don't question their motives then we deserve the treatment we receive.......

[Buns_of_Fire]

15. "The Party" is a vehicle. Nothing more.

It's a convenient way of telling who MIGHT be wearing the white hat and who MIGHT be wearing the black hat, but even that isn't foolproof (Zell Miller or Max Baucus, anyone?).

[Dems to Win]

23. +1

[BlueMTexpat]

31. You would have liked Max Baucus's

opponent even less than Max, I can assure you.

[Buns_of_Fire]

49. I'm sure you're right. Ain't that way it always goes?

We vote for the person who isn't as bad as the other one -- we never vote for anyone anymore, we vote against the other one. It'll take some work to break out of that mindset. /my stupid pseudo-philosophical ramblings

[BlueMTexpat]

54. It's not just a mindset

in our arguably f***ed up two-party system, I'm afraid.

It's a fact. We essentially have two choices.

One is always better - if we have a glass half-full approach.

[PowerToThePeople]

96. The glass is half full

Brought to you by neoliberals, the clintons, dlc, and other third way thinkers.

[avaistheone1]

17. K&R

[Moostache]

18. I agree...don't tell me, show me.

There is one candidate who has taken money from PACs and raised their own net worth via Wall Street ties. Just so happens to the be the one candidate who is soft on them and has no intention at all of changing the way Wall Street does business (despite angry protestations to the contrary...your words mean less when they are for sale, period, full stop.)

There is one candidate who has suggested "compromise" on abortion rights.
There is one candidate who has suggested universal health care is a fight "too hard" to tackle.

I could go on and on and on but why bother?

There is one candidate who is promising to take America into a fundamentally different direction. The GOP and Hillary are all dedicated to maintaining or swerving further on the rightward drift of official policies.

Bernie Sanders is the candidate who is offering a real, fundamental chance at changing the entire system.
If you believe that things are going swell, don't vote for him.
If you believe that things need to not change a little, or only as much as is "easily achieved" is simply not enough...then get active in changing things and start with your primary vote and through the General Election this fall...

[JohnnyRingo]

22. It rather is to me.

As a lifelong Democrat since registering in 1972, the party holds a lot of sway with me and I remain quite loyal. Part of my union dues goes to the party and I wouldn't have it any other way. Unfortunately for you, there're a lot more Democrats like me than there are of you.

If I didn't feel as devoted to the party I would have cast a vote for Ralph Nader every time, as perhaps you've done. DU is rife these days with people who apparently haven't taken time to decode the name of the site.

There should be more civility here if Clinton wins and if those people try to use the site as a vehicle to launch an independent run by Sanders. Can't say I'll miss the snotty "more liberal than thou" posts.

[bigwillq]

24. I don't vote for party, I vote for candidates.

Most of them are Ds, but I don't vote for candidates just because they are a D. There are some bad Ds out there.

[EndElectoral]

30. Thank you. Difference between Paul Wellstone and Jim Cooper is huge. Both had D's beside their name

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

28. In a lot of ways this reminds me of so-called "Christians"

who behave anything but Christian.

The label is not more important than the behavior. Bernie has been a better Democrat for his entire public life than many of the "Democrats" who are opposing him.

[GreenPartyVoter]

97. GMTA

[cyberswede]

34. Yep.

[MisterP]

60. heck, this faction said "STFU about the party, just support it 100%"

and then turned around and backed Lieberman over its own candidate

they don't lecture us to win more, they lecture us so they can hold us off on calling the cops while they rip the copper wiring out of the walls

their whole schtick since 1992 has BEEN to encourage blind brand loyalty while eliminating anything Democratic from the Democrats, one concealing the other: "how can you say we're DINOs if we get so many votes and get so much vitriol from the RePUKElicans KILL KILL KILL!"

[pengu]

36. I judge by what you do, not what you call yourself

[wendylaroux]

79. yup!

[amborin]

40. Principles should ALWAYS be ABOVE Party; otherwise, we have fascism

[freebrew]

41. Really curious here, can someone answer...

is there some 'form' to fill out to become a 'member' of the Democratic Party?

If so, I was unaware. I thought supporting and voting for Democrats and the Democratic Ideas meant you were a Democrat.

At 65, I've been voting 'D' for 47 years. Never voted for Repubs, ever.


So, what does Bernie have to do in their eyes to become a 'member' of the Democratic Party?

Because, I'd like to know if I belong...

[nashville_brook]

47. hmm. usually it's on your voter registration, but that's not the same as actually becoming an ACTIVE

party member.

that's a whole other ball of wax where you go county meetings, knock doors in your precinct, and take on responsibilities that help downticket dems get elected to office in your district.

but, that's definitely not the only way to be a Dem! and it's becoming less so recently.

[Fuddnik]

67. Except here in Florida.

You attend a few meetings, take a loyalty oath, then when you're not sitting around on your ass, doing nothing, you run off any energetic new talent, back stab any progressive who tries to get elected, and recruit Republicans to run.

[nashville_brook]

68. it's the backstabbing and running off new talent, that's the real loyalty oath here in FL

[2banon]

52. Same here. I'm 65 .. lifelong "D" generations of the same

But I don't remember signing a loyalty oath. In all these decades, elections local and national, I have never, ever not even once voted Republican. Not ever.. and as far as I can tell so far, that's not likely to ever happen in my future.

I have on occasion, voted Green and Peace and Freedom in local elections.

At the end of the day, I'm very much an Issue Voter, and the person representing my best interests on the issues and their trustworthiness to fight on behalf of me and for those issues.

[geardaddy]

62. +1 million

[nashville_brook]

45. RESULTS OF JURY SERVICE --> 1-6 LEAVE IT

The Democratic Party isn't some sacred totem.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511272799

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. As I recall, when I registered as Democrat in 1965, no oath of allegiance was required.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson

[MisterP]

58. heck, just look at Robert McCulloch

[Fast Walker 52]

59. all I know is I've heard way more liberals say they won't vote for Hillary than vice versa

The party needs new leadership.

[PatrynXX]

63. one learns in Civics Class that Lincoln was a Liberal

and again I say the D and R labels are foolish. it's the Conservative Party vs the Liberal party. always was always will be. Right now Conservatives have run the country for 95 % of the time since 1994. maybe longer. Harry Reid is no Democrat X_X although Hillary is still to his right. I'm thinking more and more of her as actually Tea Party from what she says. They have nothing to do with me.. If you thought the Bush years were great fine but I thought they sucked.

[snort]

64. Democrat schmemocrat.

It's a big fuckin tent and there are all kinds of people milling about but the doors are wide open. That's how it works. That's how it should be. BERNIE!

[WillyT]

70. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[jopacaco]

73. The DNC has abandoned many recent Democratic candidates

Over at least the last 2 election cycles, the Democratic Party has abandoned some of the best Democratic candidates here in Maine. They said Angus King was good enough (he is an Independent who had refused to say who he would caucus with) or that the candidate was too liberal to support and they didn't even invite these candidates to Democratic Party election functions. I feel that the party needs to provide at least a minimum of support to a candidate who wins the party nomination.
I am a lifelong Democrat - McGovern was my first vote - but before Bernie I was considering unenrolling because I was so annoyed at the party behavior and the way they have drifted to the right. Bernie is my kind of Democrat no matter what he calls himself. I will be at the Maine caucuses in March!

[brooklynite]

81. In 2014, we supported a D candidate for Governor and ended up with LePage...

[Ken Burch]

113. There was no other strategy that would have worked better.

The independent was never even close.

Neither was Charlie Crist in Florida.

[wendylaroux]

80. it is the haves against the have nots.

either you have a conscience or you have not.

[Gothmog]

82. I am a proud member of the Democratic Party and I believe in the ideas represented by the party

As a red state Democrat, I am working very very hard to turn my state blue and I support the Democratic Party and its principles

[cali]

89. Do you think corruption within the democratic party is a real and serious problem?

[Gothmog]

90. No

What you call corruption is really the fact that Clinton has been a member of the party for a very long time. If you want to change the party, work from within. It takes work but is worth it.

Again, there are a large number of good Democrats living in Red States who are working to change their states and turn them blue. Texas could turn blue this cycle if the ticket is Clinton/Julian Castro running against Trump or Carnival Cruz.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

87. A great many people voting in this election don't identify with either party.

And they won't feel an ounce of guilt about not supporting someone they're not inclined to support. There's only one way to reach these voters, and that's via getting them to believe in you, and to believe in what you're saying. Party identity is meaningless to these people, and I can see where they're coming from.

[bvar22]

91. The Democratic Party was a sacred totem when I was a child in my parent's home.

In the Kitchen/dining/family room/rec room, there were originally two portraits on the wall.
The first was that ubiquitous painting of Jesus,
and immediately to Jesus's right was the official portrait of FDR.
It doesn't get more sacred than that.
Those two were joined by the official photo-portrait JFK after the assassination.


That said, what passes for the Democratic Party today bears no resemblance to the Democratic Party of FDR, JFK, or LBJ. If any of those icons of the Working Class were ever resurrected, they wouldn't recognize what the Party has devolved into. They would believe that the Fascists have taken over....
and maybe they would be right.

[frylock]

92. It seems like some people's entire identities are wrapped up into belonging to the party.

[Lorien]

99. It's just a sports team to them.

If you're a Buckeye then no Buckeye can ever do wrong, and no Wolverine can ever do right!

[frylock]

100. Penn State

Prime example.

[Lorien]

104. Perfect example!

[Joe the Revelator]

94. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!

Thank you for saying it Cali!!!!!

[californiabernin]

98. What Cali said! nt

[ladjf]

102. The Democratic Party has definitely seen better days than now.

It used to be primarily humanistic. Now politics is just a money making, dishonest business.

The trait we need to look for is integrity. Personally, I've only seen two Democratic politicians that I believed to be honest,
Carter and Sanders. It would be a terrible tragedy if we missed the chance to have Sanders President.

I don't think Sec. Clinton will be able to change her avaricious ways in time to help us.

[TeddyR]

105. Ok

If you don't want to support the Democratic party then go join the Tea Party, or the Republican party. The Democrats gave you Presidents FDR, Kennedy, Clinton and Obama, and the New Deal, and desegregation, and reproductive freedom, and same-sex marriage (among other things). But if you don't like those things then fuck right off. Bitching about the Democratic party is at best sour grapes.

[jtuck004]

111. Democrats were turning over black kids school buses, yelling racist taunts at the, and

training their kids to be just like them. You put a "republican" sign up for your candidacy, you could get shot at, and some did.

That was what it was like when I could first sign up to vote. Many of those kids make up the Republican Party there today - but not all moved over.

The Democratic Party has never been a sacred totem in my lifetime.