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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:43 PM Feb 2016

Running Against An Opponent Who Makes Loyalty to Our First Black President An Issue

That could be fraught with the potential for some old fashioned racial divisiveness, or at the very least things could devolve quickly into an ugly rehash of the 2008 presidential election campaign when accusations flew daily over who was or was not playing the race card. I was doing a lot of political blogging back in 2008. In fact for most of that primary season I was backing Hillary Clinton. I remember well how bitter things became. At the time I thought the accusations made against both Bill and Hillary Clinton for being or behaving racist were way overblown. I felt the same about some counter charges against the Obama campaign over their supposedly playing the race card also. But it was a pretty big deal at the time nonetheless. It still is for some people today, but I have no interest in going back to re-litigate any of that. What's more interesting to me though, is that neither does Bernie Sanders.

With the success of his presidential campaign probably resting on the number of African American voters he can win over from those currently supporting Hillary Clinton, Bernie shows no interest in going there; back to when charges of race baiting hung thick in the political air. Regardless of how well or ill founded those charges ultimately were – they obviously exposed raw feelings at the time and contributed to shifting fortunes during that 2008 contest. A more typical candidate would have had a team of opposition research experts pouring over old transcripts and video tapes from the 2008 campaign, looking for material to exploit to unravel the ties of loyalty many African Americans now feel toward Hillary Clinton. The furthest Bernie Sanders will go however, when his own degree of loyalty to Barack Obama is attacked, is to remind people that he never personally ran against Obama. Bernie never raises doubts over how that race was run, although obviously he could.

So the next time anyone even hints at suggesting that Bernie Sanders has or is going negative against Hillary Clinton, an appropriate response might be to laugh in their face.

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Running Against An Opponent Who Makes Loyalty to Our First Black President An Issue (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Feb 2016 OP
Kick. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #1
her "campaign" shows her character in all its flaming shame. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #2
Because she is loyal to the President? leftofcool Feb 2016 #3
Always? Krytan11c Feb 2016 #8
Are good Democrats... MellowDem Feb 2016 #9
because she sdvocates loyalty pledges instead of inspiring people with her issues. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #10
Really? Here is her surrogate and leading donor Haim Saban on Obama's choices: Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #30
K&R nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #4
there is a good new yorker article about the ugliness of that campaign amborin Feb 2016 #5
K and friggin R - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #6
we are going to have to get the politics out of money olddots Feb 2016 #7
K&R. He e hi it's great restraint and a lot of class. She twists the truth on a national stage JudyM Feb 2016 #11
Impunging integrity is going negative by suggesting she's beholding to WS for taking 1/127 of her... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #12
What's fascinating is to see Sanders' reaction to his statements being brought up. stevenleser Feb 2016 #13
,+1, Absolutely sanders knows he has been a consummate Obama basher for years. It's disingenuous now uponit7771 Feb 2016 #14
I guess Hillary has evolved from being a liar in your opinion? JRLeft Feb 2016 #15
You don't have to ask, my signature line covers it. Next? nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #16
LMFAO! JRLeft Feb 2016 #18
Yup, that's all you got after that apparently. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #19
Blood please! JRLeft Feb 2016 #20
And that is supposed to mean what to me? nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #21
Zero cred, Steven. frylock Feb 2016 #22
2008 you was right, take your own advice from 2008. JRLeft Feb 2016 #23
Yeah, um, no. You decide who you support and I'll decide who I support. stevenleser Feb 2016 #24
Yeah, listen to the correct version of yourself. (2008) JRLeft Feb 2016 #25
Yeah um no. You decide who you support, and I'll decide who I support. stevenleser Feb 2016 #26
Hillary fans are hoping voters have a short memory, which we do not. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #17
not an asshole kennetha Feb 2016 #27
you're cute frylock Feb 2016 #28
Not you kennetha Feb 2016 #29
You never bring me flowers anymore. frylock Feb 2016 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #32

Krytan11c

(271 posts)
8. Always?
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:46 PM
Feb 2016

Like unwavering support even when the President holds a position that we passionately disagree with like the TPP?
How 'bout this: President Obama has my unconditional respect, he's been a great leader IMO and has dealt with unprecedented obstructionism. Much of that obstructionism was because of pure racism in the part of Republicans. The fact that he's been so effective through all of that has earned him my respect and love.
However, I'm allowed to disagree with him from time to time on issues. I don't have to be blindly loyal to anyone with a D next to their name. Neither do you.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
9. Are good Democrats...
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

Good moderate conservatives than when loyalty requires? That seems to be what I see from Clinton.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
30. Really? Here is her surrogate and leading donor Haim Saban on Obama's choices:
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

"when the Syrian people started demonstrating in the streets, (Hillary) recommended to President Obama that he arm those people so that they can achieve their goal of democracy. President Obama chose differently, right or wrong, and now we are where we are."

https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-mogul-haim-saban-more-scrutiny-muslims-profiling-hillary-clinton/

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
11. K&R. He e hi it's great restraint and a lot of class. She twists the truth on a national stage
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:04 AM
Feb 2016

Right next to him and he barely calls her on any of it. How distinguished of him, I think. He does have that great side-eye, but he leaves it at that. She's one lucky SOB that a guy with such integrity is her opponent. Watch out if she wins the nom. and is up against a street fighter.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
12. Impunging integrity is going negative by suggesting she's beholding to WS for taking 1/127 of her...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:45 AM
Feb 2016

...net worth in payments for speeches

You can try and down play Sanders consummate Obama bashing...but there's video... Of Sanders and his surrogates like West....

This wasn't 8 years ago either...

No doubt

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. What's fascinating is to see Sanders' reaction to his statements being brought up.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:51 AM
Feb 2016

He obviously doesn't like it and has done everything possible to not acknowledge it.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
14. ,+1, Absolutely sanders knows he has been a consummate Obama basher for years. It's disingenuous now
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:56 AM
Feb 2016

... to act as if Obama and he have been best buddies.

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