2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRunning Against An Opponent Who Makes Loyalty to Our First Black President An Issue
That could be fraught with the potential for some old fashioned racial divisiveness, or at the very least things could devolve quickly into an ugly rehash of the 2008 presidential election campaign when accusations flew daily over who was or was not playing the race card. I was doing a lot of political blogging back in 2008. In fact for most of that primary season I was backing Hillary Clinton. I remember well how bitter things became. At the time I thought the accusations made against both Bill and Hillary Clinton for being or behaving racist were way overblown. I felt the same about some counter charges against the Obama campaign over their supposedly playing the race card also. But it was a pretty big deal at the time nonetheless. It still is for some people today, but I have no interest in going back to re-litigate any of that. What's more interesting to me though, is that neither does Bernie Sanders.
With the success of his presidential campaign probably resting on the number of African American voters he can win over from those currently supporting Hillary Clinton, Bernie shows no interest in going there; back to when charges of race baiting hung thick in the political air. Regardless of how well or ill founded those charges ultimately were they obviously exposed raw feelings at the time and contributed to shifting fortunes during that 2008 contest. A more typical candidate would have had a team of opposition research experts pouring over old transcripts and video tapes from the 2008 campaign, looking for material to exploit to unravel the ties of loyalty many African Americans now feel toward Hillary Clinton. The furthest Bernie Sanders will go however, when his own degree of loyalty to Barack Obama is attacked, is to remind people that he never personally ran against Obama. Bernie never raises doubts over how that race was run, although obviously he could.
So the next time anyone even hints at suggesting that Bernie Sanders has or is going negative against Hillary Clinton, an appropriate response might be to laugh in their face.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Good Democrats are always loyal to a Democratic President.
Like unwavering support even when the President holds a position that we passionately disagree with like the TPP?
How 'bout this: President Obama has my unconditional respect, he's been a great leader IMO and has dealt with unprecedented obstructionism. Much of that obstructionism was because of pure racism in the part of Republicans. The fact that he's been so effective through all of that has earned him my respect and love.
However, I'm allowed to disagree with him from time to time on issues. I don't have to be blindly loyal to anyone with a D next to their name. Neither do you.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Good moderate conservatives than when loyalty requires? That seems to be what I see from Clinton.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"when the Syrian people started demonstrating in the streets, (Hillary) recommended to President Obama that he arm those people so that they can achieve their goal of democracy. President Obama chose differently, right or wrong, and now we are where we are."
https://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-mogul-haim-saban-more-scrutiny-muslims-profiling-hillary-clinton/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)before we can get the money out of politics .
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Right next to him and he barely calls her on any of it. How distinguished of him, I think. He does have that great side-eye, but he leaves it at that. She's one lucky SOB that a guy with such integrity is her opponent. Watch out if she wins the nom. and is up against a street fighter.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)...net worth in payments for speeches
You can try and down play Sanders consummate Obama bashing...but there's video... Of Sanders and his surrogates like West....
This wasn't 8 years ago either...
No doubt
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)He obviously doesn't like it and has done everything possible to not acknowledge it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... to act as if Obama and he have been best buddies.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)0
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)"Blood please" indeed.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)"Blood please", indeed.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)kennetha
(3,666 posts)just a gas bag
frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,342 posts)Thanks for the thread, Tom Rinaldo.