Fri Feb 19, 2016, 10:58 PM

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Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed

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Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed In Latest State Department Release

The latest batch of emails dating back to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as U.S. secretary of state shows her appearing to lobby members of the Senate on controversial trade bills and her office communicating with the New York Times about holding a sensitive article. The State Department release of documents on her private email server Friday came the day before the Democratic presidential candidate heads into the Nevada caucuses.

Other emails show Clinton seeming to personally lobby her former Democratic colleagues in the Senate to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. She had previously told voters she would work to block the Colombian and South Korean pacts.

An email Oct. 8, 2011, to Clinton from her aide Huma Abedin gave notes about the state of play in Congress on the proposed trade pacts. The notes provided Clinton “some background before you make the calls” to legislators.

Two days later in an email titled “FTA calls,” Clinton wrote to aides indicating she had spoken to Sens. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Jim Webb of Virginia, both Democrats. She told the aides she had talked with “Webb who is strong in favor of all 3” trade agreements, and then asked, “So why did I call him?” — indicating she was otherwise phoning to try to convince wavering lawmakers to support the deals.

Only three years earlier, Clinton wooed organized labor during her presidential campaign with promises to oppose those same deals. She called the South Korea agreement “inherently unfair.” She also said, “I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement.” Clinton has lately courted organized labor’s support for her current presidential bid by pledging to oppose the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a deal she repeatedly touted while secretary of state.

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Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed (Original post)	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	OP
I bet this won't show up in the MSM. And I bet Maddow will not touch it either.	yourout	Feb 2016	#1
Rachel has been to Flint and has carried water.	leftofcool	Feb 2016	#7
That is great, but	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#27
How? No fish can survive in Flint River.	ChairmanAgnostic	Feb 2016	#49
Rachel has had a certain an obvious change of some kind. Separate and apart from	silvershadow	Feb 2016	#57
keep in mind Rachel works for MSNBC	tiredtoo	Feb 2016	#61
Exactly.. The reason Cenk chose to leave is he wouldn't play along with the establishment Dems......	raindaddy	Feb 2016	#98
Yeah, well, principles don't pay the bills, do they?	frylock	Feb 2016	#130
Actually in Cenk's case they do.....	raindaddy	Feb 2016	#140
And Big Ed is over at RT now. Shout out for Cenk and Anna !!!	libdem4life	Feb 2016	#147
Big Ed and TYT !!!	raindaddy	Feb 2016	#148
I'd be willing to be Cenk isn't behind	Plucketeer	Feb 2016	#162
Are you insinuating that he should have sold his integrity	Unknown Beatle	Feb 2016	#170
I was being facetious.	frylock	Feb 2016	#175
In that case, my bad.	Unknown Beatle	Feb 2016	#177
Nah, I shoulda left a sarcasm tag.	frylock	Feb 2016	#178
I finally just transferred my allegiance to Rachel over to Abby Martin, of	truedelphi	Feb 2016	#172
Thanks for the tip - I'll check it out. nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#179
MSNBC won't let her touch it. Guarantee you or she'll get the ax like Ed Shultz.	YOHABLO	Feb 2016	#180
Yuck	boomer55	Feb 2016	#2
Team Weathervane	SHRED	Feb 2016	#3
The "I'll say anything to get elected" candidate	FreakinDJ	Feb 2016	#11
Yes, but at least Hillary is TRYING to tell the truth!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2016	#117
Search youtube for videos of	merrily	Feb 2016	#119
+420	berniepdx420	Feb 2016	#132
the wack-a-mole platform	tk2kewl	Feb 2016	#15
And this why they absolutely WILL NOT tell us just why they support her	Lorien	Feb 2016	#85
a core vision we understand.	Ferd Berfel	Feb 2016	#163
How can her fans defend this???	Lorien	Feb 2016	#4
they "ask" why lefties believe that free trade agrements cost jobs, because it brings in	MisterP	Feb 2016	#5
The jobs go with or without free trade agreements	Recursion	Feb 2016	#58
You have to be kidding	Lorien	Feb 2016	#74
I'm 40, and I remember the late 90s being much better than the 80s and early 90s	Recursion	Feb 2016	#83
I'm a hell of a lot older than you, and we lost a shit ton of jobs thanks to NAFTA	Lorien	Feb 2016	#88
And so is Houston, which is doing pretty well.	Recursion	Feb 2016	#99
The facts as of November 2003	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#115
And if manufacturing were the only sector of the economy, the late 90s would have been awful	Recursion	Feb 2016	#116
Read the article. It caused a loss in jobs, especially in jobs that require no college degree.	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#125
I strongly object to the trade courts, the arbitration courts, otherwise known as the kangaroo	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#111
Fair enough, and I'm glad you at least recognize they long predate the TPP	Recursion	Feb 2016	#112
And what is your experience with the trade courts?	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#126
Peripherally; I worked for a fisheries lobby during that damned catfish case with Vietnam	Recursion	Feb 2016	#131
Isn't that Canadian energy company suing	Ilsa	Feb 2016	#174
I'm not sure, but that is my understanding.	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#183
Who would have thunk it at the time	greiner3	Feb 2016	#166
And he was obviously wrong: 23 million net jobs were created after NAFTA (nt)	Recursion	Feb 2016	#182
No FTA with China, but there is this...	thesquanderer	Feb 2016	#97
Which is precisely normal trade relations; they aren't specifically sanctioned	Recursion	Feb 2016	#101
No but bill clinton negotiated the u.s china trade agreement	berniepdx420	Feb 2016	#133
NAFTA cost 1 million American jobs,	sulphurdunn	Feb 2016	#165
Cheap stuff is all you can afford after you've lost your job..	whathehell	Feb 2016	#144
As unpleasant as it is to us, I think they are.	Avalux	Feb 2016	#6
So it's just about "winning"? Consequences be damned?	Lorien	Feb 2016	#71
Hillary's hardcore supporters were pro TPP until she pretended to be against it	jfern	Feb 2016	#8
She could co-host a kitten barbecue	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#20
I agree.	SamKnause	Feb 2016	#60
No different than Dubya's followers	Lorien	Feb 2016	#76
I agree.	SamKnause	Feb 2016	#79
It's like...	DUbeornot2be	Feb 2016	#96
Disciples - operating on faith rather than fact. n/t	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#86
"There is nothing so frightful	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#94
More mental gymnastics than evangelical talibangelists some days.	VulgarPoet	Feb 2016	#77
Some are corporatists, and there are some very strident ones here	Populist_Prole	Feb 2016	#89
+ 1000	Juicy_Bellows	Feb 2016	#105
Also massive in-sourcing through expanding H1B Programs.	bvar22	Feb 2016	#136
SO...she DOES lie.	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#9
Like a Turkish rug. bt	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#21
LOL!	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#26
When it gets to this stage there's a	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#39
She does have Nixonitis! Her Goldman Sachs speeches = 18 minutes of missing tape recording!	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#51
Oh be fair,	Kelvin Mace	Feb 2016	#64
Okay	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#66
I meant be fair to Nixon	Kelvin Mace	Feb 2016	#67
Yes he did. He also gave us HMOs and was a Crook.	in_cog_ni_to	Feb 2016	#73
I say old bean, well played!	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#87
Like I've said, if she told me the sky were blue	VulgarPoet	Feb 2016	#43
Yep. If she ever shook my hand	hifiguy	Feb 2016	#45
You'd count your fingers? I'd need hand sanitizer for whatever stumps are left.	VulgarPoet	Feb 2016	#48
Every time I see Bill pointing his long, skinny index finger . . . .	Divernan	Feb 2016	#63
Years ago, I did. I had to beg her to return it.	ChairmanAgnostic	Feb 2016	#52
Did she tell you to cut it out and quit expecting handouts?	VulgarPoet	Feb 2016	#78
Like a sleeping dog. nt	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2016	#72
I think ever her devout followers	Kall	Feb 2016	#68
.	merrily	Feb 2016	#128
Pants on fire stuff!	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#10
Puts money in back pocket, and lies spew out of mouth	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#25
Very nice ain't it? She gets obscenely rich	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#31
+1	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#44
True.	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#82
Searching for the most appropriate adjective to describe	2banon	Feb 2016	#12
TY TubbersUK - rec'd and bookmarked! n/t	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#13
Thanks for posting this and letting us see what's really going on	jillan	Feb 2016	#14
I second that!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Feb 2016	#118
Now you see how stupid it was to have her own server. All her secrets are getting exposed.	Live and Learn	Feb 2016	#16
Maybe, but now you see why she wanted her own server in the first place.	merrily	Feb 2016	#123
Replied to wrong post	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#145
Anybody here think she actually is against the TPP? n/t	PoliticAverse	Feb 2016	#17
No. nt	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#29
No.	JDPriestly	Feb 2016	#84
Not me.	reformist2	Feb 2016	#137
this is so bad.... this back dealing... when is it going to stop?	kgnu_fan	Feb 2016	#18
As soon as she's in the Oval Office, of course.	merrily	Feb 2016	#127
Well, well isn't this something?	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#19
Sigh....Business as usual -- unfortunately	Armstead	Feb 2016	#22
What else are we going to find out? And why is the DNC so strongly supporting her?	Duval	Feb 2016	#23
I think they're afraid of both candidates in different ways	Fumesucker	Feb 2016	#46
Every Union member	Kittycat	Feb 2016	#24
^^^^^That! Right there!^^^^^ n/t	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#36
All it would take is one large Union endorsement to be retracted	salib	Feb 2016	#142
Um, Bernie Supporter Here BUT...if her BOSS (President Obama) supported	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#28
If a person opposes something like the TPP, strongly,	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#32
Or shut up and do your job because the other guy won. nt	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#37
oh, yes, she needed a job because they were "dead broke". Oh, PLEASE! nt	antigop	Feb 2016	#42
Secretary of State is a job that isn't supposed to be just money -	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#122
"just following orders" is NOT an excuse. nt	antigop	Feb 2016	#124
No, it is A JOB and people unwillingness to do their job quit.	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#151
and she didn't quit. That says it all. "Just following orders" is NOT an excuse. nt	antigop	Feb 2016	#156
Depends on how strongly she opposed the TPP.	SusanCalvin	Feb 2016	#50
The guy who supported it won the election. She worked for him.	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#153
Umm - she bucked the other guy when it suited her "stature & long-term impact" (ie running again).	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#95
Sometimes you can convince your boss to see it your way.	IdaBriggs	Feb 2016	#154
ah, yes, someone who is friends with Kissinger. Good lord. nt	antigop	Feb 2016	#158
Fair point...	Glamrock	Feb 2016	#34
imo it would be a fair point only if she put up a real fight with Obama. If however she	snagglepuss	Feb 2016	#59
Agreed, as per the same batch of e-mails she pushed back hard & successfully on Foreign Policy	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#80
Yup. "Celebrating Clinton "turning [Obama] around," apparently on Libya"	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#91
Well there you go, very persuasive when she cares to be. Should we hold our breath	snagglepuss	Feb 2016	#134
and this is why she is not considered to be trustworthy. nt	antigop	Feb 2016	#30
I was just reading that article	nadinbrzezinski	Feb 2016	#33
Let us bark	Oilwellian	Feb 2016	#35
Oh snap	farleftlib	Feb 2016	#38
OMFG... I'm beginning to believe she IS a compulsive liar. She's so SLIMY. Wow!	AzDar	Feb 2016	#40
Wish these had come out sooner, but, better now then never.	FailureToCommunicate	Feb 2016	#41
But she can't remember ever lying.	iemitsu	Feb 2016	#47
This video says it all!	markpkessinger	Feb 2016	#53
Yep	Lorien	Feb 2016	#81
The Video is a Must Watch! Having all the "Flip Flops" Documented	KoKo	Feb 2016	#143
BAU	Old Codger	Feb 2016	#54
why don't we send this article to Scott Pelley, to whom she lied yesterday. nt	grasswire	Feb 2016	#55
+10000000	nashville_brook	Feb 2016	#62
Oh Snap! There she goes again!	Ford_Prefect	Feb 2016	#56
Say one thing to insiders and another thing to the public.	pa28	Feb 2016	#65
Yup! They've been dealing with her long enough to know she's lying during those speeches.	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#70
I'm pretty sure that was her job description at that point in time?	Recursion	Feb 2016	#69
You really are grasping to justify this nastiness	Lorien	Feb 2016	#92
It's the duplicity. Saying one thing to one crowd, but having a different face as a politician	Armstead	Feb 2016	#93
They show her setting herself up as setting policy - not Obama.	ebayfool	Feb 2016	#100
I would add, "breaking: Clinton overstates own role in policy decisionmaking" (nt)	Recursion	Feb 2016	#102
A position that she did not have to accept if the position went against her core principles...	xocet	Feb 2016	#106
IDK. TPP strikes me as marginally better than our current bilateral agreements	Recursion	Feb 2016	#109
OMG what. I sometimes forget this is not just politics, the opponent here is	Cheese Sandwich	Feb 2016	#75
What can you say.............................	turbinetree	Feb 2016	#90
Clinton! She's for herself and she wants us to be for her too! #Imwithher	PoliticalMalcontent	Feb 2016	#103
But considering it is her time...	scscholar	Feb 2016	#171
And yet she does not believe she has ever lied.	PatrickforO	Feb 2016	#104
What's the word for when you promise something but then secretly do something else? Evolving?	DisgustipatedinCA	Feb 2016	#107
Here is the link to the FTA email that is mentioned in the article...	xocet	Feb 2016	#108
Some of the posts in this thread should be studied for further evidence of the God Particle.	Juicy_Bellows	Feb 2016	#110
The Higgs boson has spin 0.	xocet	Feb 2016	#150
Your post didn't get my post.	Juicy_Bellows	Feb 2016	#157
I withdraw my unprovoked criticism (my apologies) and replace it with your civility.	xocet	Feb 2016	#164
Interesting stuff.	Juicy_Bellows	Feb 2016	#167
This message was self-deleted by its author	TubbersUK	Feb 2016	#113
K&R	burrowowl	Feb 2016	#114
Disgusting, but you know, this is who she is. Accept it.	closeupready	Feb 2016	#120
SO MANY JUST DON'T KNOW... AND SO	ChiciB1	Feb 2016	#121
K&R	CharlotteVale	Feb 2016	#129
Kick...	AzDar	Feb 2016	#135
How many times does she have to be caught lieing	FreakinDJ	Feb 2016	#138
Another day...	Got it	Feb 2016	#139
she's totally compromised	amborin	Feb 2016	#141
Kickety...	AzDar	Feb 2016	#146
She is "currently" against TPP	Arizona Roadrunner	Feb 2016	#149
Nary A Word That HRC Says Can Be Trusted - HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks	cantbeserious	Feb 2016	#152
It must be so emotionally and spiritually taxing	LiberalLovinLug	Feb 2016	#155
we should all send an email to Rachel about this	BigBearJohn	Feb 2016	#159
I TWEETED & EMAILED EVERYONE AT MSNBC	BigBearJohn	Feb 2016	#160
need more eyeballs... so kick! nt	kgnu_fan	Feb 2016	#161
K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations!	Enthusiast	Feb 2016	#168
Clinton is not 'out of woods' yet	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2016	#169
She is so sleazy, there's just no end to it.	Arugula Latte	Feb 2016	#173
Get those emails and that deception out to Illinois, Indiana,	Jarqui	Feb 2016	#176
Trust me the TPP will be re-addressed if she becomes Pres. Wake up H supporters.	YOHABLO	Feb 2016	#181

Response to TubbersUK (Original post)

Fri Feb 19, 2016, 11:06 PM

yourout (7,414 posts)

1. I bet this won't show up in the MSM. And I bet Maddow will not touch it either.

This stuff is toxic to Hillary and Rachael's back must be getting sore from all the water she has been carrying for her.

Maybe she should go to Flint and carry some water for them.

Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed

1. I bet this won't show up in the MSM. And I bet Maddow will not touch it either.

7. Rachel has been to Flint and has carried water.

27. That is great, but

49. How? No fish can survive in Flint River.

57. Rachel has had a certain an obvious change of some kind. Separate and apart from

61. keep in mind Rachel works for MSNBC

98. Exactly.. The reason Cenk chose to leave is he wouldn't play along with the establishment Dems......

130. Yeah, well, principles don't pay the bills, do they?

140. Actually in Cenk's case they do.....

147. And Big Ed is over at RT now. Shout out for Cenk and Anna !!!

148. Big Ed and TYT !!!

162. I'd be willing to be Cenk isn't behind

170. Are you insinuating that he should have sold his integrity

175. I was being facetious.

177. In that case, my bad.

178. Nah, I shoulda left a sarcasm tag.

172. I finally just transferred my allegiance to Rachel over to Abby Martin, of

179. Thanks for the tip - I'll check it out. nt

180. MSNBC won't let her touch it. Guarantee you or she'll get the ax like Ed Shultz.

2. Yuck

3. Team Weathervane

11. The "I'll say anything to get elected" candidate

117. Yes, but at least Hillary is TRYING to tell the truth!

119. Search youtube for videos of

132. +420

15. the wack-a-mole platform

85. And this why they absolutely WILL NOT tell us just why they support her

163. a core vision we understand.

4. How can her fans defend this???

5. they "ask" why lefties believe that free trade agrements cost jobs, because it brings in

58. The jobs go with or without free trade agreements

74. You have to be kidding

83. I'm 40, and I remember the late 90s being much better than the 80s and early 90s

88. I'm a hell of a lot older than you, and we lost a shit ton of jobs thanks to NAFTA

99. And so is Houston, which is doing pretty well.

115. The facts as of November 2003

116. And if manufacturing were the only sector of the economy, the late 90s would have been awful

125. Read the article. It caused a loss in jobs, especially in jobs that require no college degree.

111. I strongly object to the trade courts, the arbitration courts, otherwise known as the kangaroo

112. Fair enough, and I'm glad you at least recognize they long predate the TPP

126. And what is your experience with the trade courts?

131. Peripherally; I worked for a fisheries lobby during that damned catfish case with Vietnam

174. Isn't that Canadian energy company suing

183. I'm not sure, but that is my understanding.

166. Who would have thunk it at the time

182. And he was obviously wrong: 23 million net jobs were created after NAFTA (nt)

97. No FTA with China, but there is this...

101. Which is precisely *normal* trade relations; they aren't specifically sanctioned

133. No but bill clinton negotiated the u.s china trade agreement

165. NAFTA cost 1 million American jobs,

144. Cheap stuff is all you can afford after you've lost your job..

6. As unpleasant as it is to us, I think they are.

71. So it's just about "winning"? Consequences be damned?

8. Hillary's hardcore supporters were pro TPP until she pretended to be against it

20. She could co-host a kitten barbecue

60. I agree.

76. No different than Dubya's followers

79. I agree.

96. It's like...

86. Disciples - operating on faith rather than fact. n/t

94. "There is nothing so frightful

77. More mental gymnastics than evangelical talibangelists some days.

89. Some are corporatists, and there are some very strident ones here

105. + 1000

136. Also massive in-sourcing through expanding H1B Programs.

9. SO...she DOES lie.

21. Like a Turkish rug. bt

26. LOL!

39. When it gets to this stage there's a

51. She does have Nixonitis! Her Goldman Sachs speeches = 18 minutes of missing tape recording!

64. Oh be fair,

66. Okay

67. I meant be fair to Nixon

73. Yes he did. He also gave us HMOs and was a Crook.

87. I say old bean, well played!

43. Like I've said, if she told me the sky were blue

45. Yep. If she ever shook my hand

48. You'd count your fingers? I'd need hand sanitizer for whatever stumps are left.

63. Every time I see Bill pointing his long, skinny index finger . . . .

101. Which is precisely normal trade relations; they aren't specifically sanctioned