A big difference in the way supporters criticize candidates on DU

[Empowerer]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Hassin Bin Sober (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

I've observed a clear distinction between the arguments by Hillary and Bernie supporters on DU.

Hillary supporters tend to present criticims of Bernie to explain why THEY are not going to vote for him.

Bernie supporters tend to present criticisms of Hillary to explain why NO ONE should vote for her.

[beam me up scottie]

1. Funny all I ever see Hillary supporters do is complain about Bernie supporters.

Take your op for example...

[Live and Learn]

2. +10,000 nt

[demmiblue]

4. Too true. n/t

[bravenak]

5. Plently of material to work with

[Bobbie Jo]

23. True that.

[virtualobserver]

7. maybe they think that "supporters" is Bernie's last name.

[beam me up scottie]

11. LMAO!

[rock]

15. LOL

[Duckhunter935]

31. yep

Any criticism of her stands is so personal attack and sexist. We are told that daily.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Yup. n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

58. LOL

[daleanime]

3. Well....

we're evil.

[bravenak]

6. +1

[oasis]

8. After all, what kind of dummy would turn down free stuff?

Wake up!!!!!

[DefenseLawyer]

17. So I assume you were a Romney supporter?

"When I mentioned I am going to get rid of Obamacare they weren’t happy… That’s ok...But I hope people understand this, your friends who like Obamacare, you remind them of this, if they want more free stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy." - Mitt Romney, 2012.

Like you, Mitt wasn't fooled by the deadbeats. He knew what they were all about.

[oasis]

20. Of course not. I think free stuff is a good thing, most folks do.

You haven't noticed how it's lure can fill up stadiums across the nation?

[DefenseLawyer]

21. Jeb Bush agrees completely

"Our message is one of hope and aspiration. It isn't one of division and, 'Get in line, and we'll take care of you with free stuff,' " -Jeb Bush

You may want to also reference Welfare Queens in Cadillacs and free Obama cell phones. Those are big applause lines for Republicans, and now I must assume, Clinton supporters, as well.

[oasis]

30. Meg Thatcher too: "The problem with socialism is you eventually run

out of other people's money". Jeb and Meg are meanies, true enough, but sadly, many voters in the GE would agree with them.

[DefenseLawyer]

36. Well of course, because taxpayers get zero benefit

When everyone in the society lives a better life. Nope. It's just the makers versus the takers. John Galt versus the deadbeats. Yours is a compelling argument. I understand now. My motto is going to be "Fuck the doomed!" from here on out.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

53. You're going WAY off to the right in an attempt to support your candidate.

Up to you, of course, but it looks a little funny when you have to go deep, deep into Republican territory to defend your candidate.

[oasis]

61. I'm defending the American people from a GOP victory.

I'll go as "deep, deep, deep" as needed.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

63. Destroying the village to save it. No, thank you.

[oasis]

67. The "Revolution" will not save the village. It will just get

people more frustrated when the wheels come off. Sound policy is still the way to go.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. thanks

[JRLeft]

9. Really Hillary's lying is ignored by her supporters, her corruption is ignored.

There's a mountain of evidence that her supporters ignore every single day.

[wildeyed]

28. Your statement is fundamentally disrespectful.

Good people, smart people, honorable people see the same evidence and come to different conclusion ALL THE TIME. Tell me why your conclusion is automatically the default correct one in this argument?

[Duckhunter935]

33. the truth is disrespectful?

News to me.

[JRLeft]

37. The 13 minutes of lying is to be interpreted anyway someone wants to interpret it, I guess?

[wildeyed]

51. The big asterisk

in Bernie Sander's single-payer plan It's politics. Everyone is either ignoring something about their chosen politician, or they are painfully naive.

[Empowerer]

49. Exhibit A

[jehop61]

10. Watch out

I said the same thing a few weeks ago and Bernie Group banned me. No sense of "chill" there.

[libtodeath]

13. The polls are showing how few of the general public will vote for her

I want a candidate that can and will win in November.

[cali]

14. That is a hollow claim. You personally have posted plenty of dubious stuff

And that's putting it nicely.

Hill supporters have posted anti-semitic crap about Bernie. They have said he is a racist, a xenophobic and on and fucking on.

Considering how relatively few hill supporters there are here, it's notable that you folks post proportionately far fucking more negative and dishonest stuff.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. What I notice is that Hillary supporters very rarely have much to say about Hillary:

The focus is on lashing out, characterizing Bernie and his supporters:

" An old white guy who thinks he knows best, and doesn’t need to hear from anyone else. He is not a Democrat. In fact he has spent 25 years dissing Democrats."

"Huge numbers of his supporters come off as racist, white privileged elitists. This is not in any way specific to DU. I see it all over the internet. On Facebook, Twitter, comments on liberal blogs – just everywhere. It’s impossible for Bernie to be unaware of some of the really clueless and sometimes overtly racist things his supporters say hundreds of times a day. As far as I can tell, he has not said a word about it. He is either oblivious or content to let it slide."

"Nobody spams Facebook as hard as the Sanders campaign. Woo hoo! "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251524437

"What does it say that mild criticism of Bernie is met with great vengeance and furious anger?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739137

"Bernie is going to make 20% of Social Security benefits payable only in AR-15s. [View all]
It will be billed as a great win for both America's most important industry, as well as seniors who will now be safe in their homes."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511156209

"Another Bernie fan blaming the DNC for the Sanders campaign's thievery."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=920637

"I'm not that keen on voting anyone - at any level - back in that is currently wherever they are at. One exception - I'm working with a few (mostly republicans) to get our liquor laws changed. They are from 1949 - it's time to change things. Bring my preoperty taxes down and lets get some wine and cigar bars on our main street.

That said - point blank - I don't believe in Sanders platform or approach and I won't vote for him.

I simply won't."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251700805#post59


What is it you see again?

[tk2kewl]

18. i see one candiate's supporters trying to protect territory they happily hold

and the other trying to expand territory to encompass more

[BlueMTexpat]

19. You are not alone

in your observations.

There is also a BIG difference in the amount of pure snark and gratuitously nasty remarks towards Hillary.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. This are some of your 'Sermons To Sinners' in which you rail at Bernie supporters about what THEY

should do:
"If this campaign "isn't about Bernie" but is really a movement that will force Congress to pass
such things as Single Payer and measures to eliminate income inequality, take down Wall Street and the big banks, etc., why aren't you doing it now?

If it's not about Sanders, why do you have to wait for him to be in the White House before taking action?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511014875

"Can you name anything Bernie has done to "fight for" blacks since he moved to Vermont
in 1968 that required him to invest any serious political capital, take a political risk or go against the popular view of his virtually all-white base?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511196116#post59
.
"I have no doubt that the vast majority of Sanders supporters are rational, committed, fair and knowledgeable - most of the ones that I know personally certainly are. But, unfortunately, the rational supporters are being drowned out by some of the most obnoxious, ignorant, hateful and childish voices I have seen in my many years in politics....
I am quite sure that I will be viciously attacked for saying all of this and will be bombarded with plenty of "both sides do it!"/"Hillary supporters say this that and the other" but that is a false equivalency. Both sides DON'T do it in equal measure, regardless how much anyone claims otherwise. The ugly, negative, personal attacks on Hillary Clinton by so-called Democrats in this forum are completely beyond the pale and are exponentially beyond anything being directed at Sen. Sanders.
So, to the Sanders supporters who are behaving this way, I say, calm down, grow up, take a breath and let someone else talk for awhile."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251920721

What was the difference you claimed to see again?

[hobbit709]

26. said poster is very good at spotting motes in someone else's eye.

[beam me up scottie]

34. Ouch! Now that's irony. Well done!

[Bluenorthwest]

38. It would be nice to think that those who fling such poo would be eager to defend it when challenged

But oddly they always run away when offered actual links to counter their 'observations'.

[Empowerer]

57. Thank you for reposting some of my comments, which prove my OP's point beautifully

Not one of these comments says, either expressly or tacitly, that anyone should not vote for Sanders. I called out - and will continue to call out - the hypocrisy I see among many of his supporters. I also pointed out - and will continue to point out - that the harangues from Sanders supporters insisting that anyone who doesn't support him is either ignorant or evil are completely off-base and the insistence that black voters are crazy not to support him because he is supposedly some kind of mighty civil rights icon by virtue of working in the civil rights movement 50 years ago is Ill-informed and tone-deaf.

So, please feel free to read through all of my posts in search of something to use against me. I'm sure you won't find what you're looking for but I'm delighted to know that you're interested in what I have to say and it is possible that you might actually learn something.

[wildeyed]

24. And then they come into this thread

and do it all over again. I guess they can't help themselves

[DisgustipatedinCA]

55. I know what you're saying...post 22, amiright?

[Empowerer]

59. Rich, isn't it?

The only thing that possibly exceeds their arrogance is their complete lack of self-awareness.

[pinebox]

25. Exactly

Nobody should be voting for a candidate who is under an FBI investigation. Ever.

[kstewart33]

29. Guilty until proven innocent?

I guess whatever works, but that's a principle that's difficult to understand, much less support.

[pinebox]

35. Do you honestly think it's wise

that we give the nomination to a person under an FBI investigation?
If it's a conviction, GOP gets White House by default, you know this right?
Ask yourself, why it HAS NOT been dismissed after so many months.

[whatchamacallit]

27. Uniformly? Even your BernieBro cousin?

[wildeyed]

32. Go read the OP again.

"tend to" was the phase used, not uniformly.

[Bluenorthwest]

39. The OP should stand up and answer rather than sending in the tag team.

nt

[wildeyed]

43. Nah, just the team

with reading comprehension skills!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

56. I feel certain that the OP can read. Why would you think otherwise?

[wildeyed]

62. Yes, but can people read the OP?

There seems to be a bit of confusion about the meaning "tend" and "uniformly"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

64. Yes, they can read the OP. But I was responding to your suggestion that the OP could not read. nt

[wildeyed]

65. I never made that suggestion.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. Then I'm not able to understand the post I originally responded to. Bon weekend.

[whatchamacallit]

41. Lol

Thanks for clearing that up

[wildeyed]

47. Scintillating response!

I guess you told me! Lol.

[whatchamacallit]

48. Well

If it's not meant to point out an (imagined) global flaw, what's the point? He could change the title to 'A big difference in the way some supporters criticize candidates on DU', but that would be like saying some cats are grey.

[wildeyed]

50. Then skip the thread

if you think it is silly. But don't misconstrue what was actually said.

[whatchamacallit]

52. The implication was obvious

even with the inclusion of 'tend'. Ugh, can't believe I'm wasting time typing this. Have a nice day.

[wildeyed]

54. Me either.

Proper reading comprehension skills could have saved you ALL that trouble

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Does you has a sad?

'cause ya certainly ain't got no clothes.

[Armstead]

44. Maybe you're reading a different DU than I am

I'd say the ratio is about the same for supporters of both candidates.

In fact, I'd say that's true of all supporters of all politicians.

I won't just tell you why I won't vote for Ted Cruze for example. By extension, I'd be telling you why no one should vote for Cruze.

And the supporters of Ted Cruze will argue why no one should vote for either Sanders or Clinton.

That's kinda the nature of politics.

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. Not in my observation.

Hillary supporters present criticisms of Bernie based on their stereotypes of his supporters. Vote for Clinton, because berniebros!