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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:30 PM Feb 2016

It's NOT "Free Stuff" It's Using Taxes to Fund What We Actually Need

http://usuncut.com/politics/its-not-free-stuff-its-using-taxes-to-fund-what-we-actually-need/

corporate media’s pundits and the corporate-owned political class love to dismiss Bernie Sanders’ platforms as “free stuff” that can’t realistically be provided at a nationwide scale, all while completely ignoring the vast multitude of corporate entitlements that cost trillions to maintain. It’s time to set the record straight.

Bernie’s proposals of a free, universal Medicare For All program, free public education through the 4-year college level, 12 weeks of paid family leave, and providing millions of new jobs through investments in infrastructure are lofty goals, but the money to fund them is there if we were to simply cut the most wasteful and fraudulent corporate welfare packages that help a small wealthy few Americans while burdening the rest.

First, let’s add up the total annual cost of Sanders’ costliest policy proposals, using estimates provided by the Sanders campaign:

Medicare for All: $1.38 trillion
New WPA: $200 billion (5-year limit)
Free college: $75 billion
Paid family leave: $31 billion
Total annual cost: $1.49 trillion

That may seem like a lot on its own, but the funding can easily be raised by cutting the “free stuff” we currently lavish on the wealthy. Multiple entitlement programs that exclusively benefit multinational corporations (like tax breaks for hedge fund managers, rich kids’ inheritances, and CEO bonuses, handouts to the oil and pharmaceutical industries, costly weapons programs and unnecessary wars, subsidies for “too-big-to-fail” banks, handouts to corporate behemoths cemented in last year’s omnibus spending bill, and tax loopholes for multinational corporations can easily be sacrificed to benefit the other 99.9 percent of Americans. Here’s the annual cost breakdown of those programs:

Allowing Wall Street to trade tax-free: $352 billion
Extension of Bush tax cuts for the wealthy: $277.6 billion
Government contracts for the 200 wealthiest corporations: $176 billion
Lifting cap on Social Security taxing: $120 billion
Money lost to corporate tax havens: $100 billion
Wall Street welfare: $83 billion
Corporate welfare in omnibus spending bill: $65 billion
Surveillance-industrial complex: $52.6 billion
Tax breaks for wealthy investors: $51 billion (average over 5-year period)
War in Afghanistan: $35 billion
Oil company subsidies: $37.5 billion
Tax breaks for rich brats: $26.9 billion
New nuclear missiles: $18 billion
Ford-class aircraft carrier: $15 billion
Federal war on drugs: $15 billion
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter: $10 billion
Foreign war slush fund: $8 billion
Walmart subsidies: $7.8 billion
Tax breaks for CEO bonuses: $7 billion
Littoral Combat Ship: $2 billion
Unusable planes for Afghan Air Force: $800 million
Keeping the Guantanamo Bay detention center open: $454 million
Total annual savings: $1.46 trillion

As it stands right now, all of these aforementioned programs amount to $1.34 trillion every year in “free stuff” to those who need it the least. Eliminating these handouts would pay for 90 percent of Bernie’s policy platform. The remainder can be made up through nominal increases in the payroll tax (Sanders proposed a 0.2 percent increase to find paid family leave) and a slight increase in income taxes to fund Sanders’ sweeping healthcare program.
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It's NOT "Free Stuff" It's Using Taxes to Fund What We Actually Need (Original Post) amborin Feb 2016 OP
happy to be the first k and r restorefreedom Feb 2016 #1
so true Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #2
kick and Recco'd (NT) ghostsinthemachine Feb 2016 #3
Precisely. "Free wars" cost a lot more than most of DirkGently Feb 2016 #4
Exactly! well said Dirk. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #24
I like your handle too. DirkGently Feb 2016 #37
You nailed it. 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #40
WTF? $7.8 Billion in Walmart subsidies?? DiehardLiberal Feb 2016 #5
might be food stamps, etc, to keep their underpaid workers from starving eShirl Feb 2016 #9
PLUS the well-rewarded outsourcing that lets them own more than 42% of Americans MisterP Feb 2016 #25
Walmart subsidies - ebayfool Feb 2016 #11
Thanks for explanation! DiehardLiberal Feb 2016 #20
Most welcome :) n/t ebayfool Feb 2016 #38
things we need that affirm life rather than create death tk2kewl Feb 2016 #6
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Feb 2016 #8
K N R Faux pas Feb 2016 #7
Of course its not free, I just did the math, Bearnies health care plan will cost me extra 5k a year Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #10
What are you paying now? Please include any company contribution that you get in place of salary. Vincardog Feb 2016 #29
Im self employed, so I have no employer Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #34
So you have no health care now? Bernie's plan would cost you an addtional 5K how? Vincardog Feb 2016 #35
yes Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #48
So you think you are better off with no coverage. Vincardog Feb 2016 #50
I replied to the wrong post. i have coverage now Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #54
And even if none of this passes in 8 years, Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #12
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Feb 2016 #18
KnR GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #13
Exactly. It's how we allocate tax dollars. stillwaiting Feb 2016 #14
President Sanders wants us to invest in people. As he has stated, neglecting them has lead to jtuck004 Feb 2016 #15
knr so bad nt retrowire Feb 2016 #16
Right On - Spending The Money We Already Have For Better - More Appropriate - And Useful Purposes cantbeserious Feb 2016 #17
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #19
These are the genuine security issues: health, education, jobs, infrastructure suffragette Feb 2016 #21
K & R!!! Thespian2 Feb 2016 #22
As soon as he gets the nomination... TCJ70 Feb 2016 #23
So even if you tear apart the US miltary and Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2016 #26
Furthermore, those ships and planes create jobs. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2016 #41
It's not free, but the proposals from the Sanders campaign aren't accurately funded mythology Feb 2016 #27
The 'free stuff' meme is RW trash-talk, unbecoming for REAL Democrats to use 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #28
Bingo Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #31
K&R! Duval Feb 2016 #30
Thank you! avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #32
Bernie will increase my taxes DownriverDem Feb 2016 #33
Recommended! H2O Man Feb 2016 #36
"Free" is when oil companies and defense contractors which are insanely profitable get taxpayer GoneFishin Feb 2016 #39
Dwight Eisenhower loved Bernie's democratic socialism , so do I . Just read what IKE stood for and geretogo Feb 2016 #42
Our side should never use the word free. Universal health care, no tuition for college, that sort brewens Feb 2016 #43
and we have to fight this fight within our OWN PARTY now, that's the worst of it MisterP Feb 2016 #44
Next the corporatocracy will be telling us WAR is free, too. Well, it is to the WAR PROFITEERS. nt valerief Feb 2016 #45
Great list! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #46
MUST ALL SEE... zentrum Feb 2016 #47
This framing drives me bonkers. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #49
This should be headline news Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #51
EXACTLY! K&R'd! snot Feb 2016 #52
Hey, I loves me some free stuff: public schools, roads, bridges, Coast Guard, merrily Feb 2016 #53
Why not have all Americans contribute to the cost of these programs? MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #55
no one is insisting that; rather, it's that the. 1%, corps., etc. start paying taxes like amborin Feb 2016 #57
And yet: AzDar Feb 2016 #56
dem establishment has been exposed Robbins Feb 2016 #58

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
4. Precisely. "Free wars" cost a lot more than most of
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:47 PM
Feb 2016

what Sanders is proposing. All of this is just a matter of priorities. We have been persuaded / tricked / forced into choosing to spend our collective wealth on things that funnel that wealth upward. To defense contractors. To energy companies. To wealthy individuals interested in avoiding taxation.

We could quite easily choose to feed, educate, and care for the health of our population, improve our infrastructure, and pursue renewable energy rather than spend trillions flexing corporate and military power. Much poorer countries than ours manage to do so every day.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
37. I like your handle too.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

... having just looked it up! Do I have the reference right?

The hundredth monkey effect is a purported phenomenon in which a new behavior or idea is claimed to spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members of one group exhibit the new behavior or acknowledge the new idea.[1] The account of such a phenomenon originated with Lawrence Blair and Lyall Watson in the mid-to-late 1970s, who claimed that it was the observation of Japanese scientists. One of the primary factors in the promulgation of the story is that many authors quote secondary, tertiary or post-tertiary sources who have themselves misrepresented the original observations.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
5. WTF? $7.8 Billion in Walmart subsidies??
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

Can someome please enlighten me why we are paying Walmart??

I'm usually fairly well informed but have been overwhelmed the last few months liquidating my own small business. Govt never made it easier for me to stay in business...

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
11. Walmart subsidies -
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.americansfortaxfairness.org/files/Walmart-on-Tax-Day-Americans-for-Tax-Fairness-1.pdf

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-government-subsidies-study#51652

Walmart is the beneficiary of billions of dollars per year in federal subsidies, according to a new report [PDF] from the non-partisan, progressive group Americans for Tax Fairness.

The report estimates that Walmart and the Walton family—which co-founded the company and still owns a majority share—collectively profit from nearly $7.8 billion per year in federal subsidies and tax breaks.

“This report shows that our current system is anything but fair – rather it provides special treatment to America’s biggest corporations and richest families leaving individual taxpayers and small businesses to pick up the tab,” the report concluded.

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid. It also includes an estimated $70 million per year in “economic development subsidies” from state and legal governments eager to host Walmart in their cities.


 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
6. things we need that affirm life rather than create death
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:01 PM
Feb 2016

Total Cost of Wars Since 2001 $1,671,110,511,673

Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying
$8.36 million for Total Cost of Wars Since 2001.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
29. What are you paying now? Please include any company contribution that you get in place of salary.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

Then show how it will cost you 5K more.

Qutzupalotl

(14,334 posts)
12. And even if none of this passes in 8 years,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:17 PM - Edit history (1)

and I know most of it won't, I would at least know we'd have an honest presdient making decisions every day thinking about people like me and not continuing to stack the deck in favor of the wealthy.

If by some miracle there is progress on one of these fronts, that's still FAR better than what any other candidate is shooting for. So my choice is clear.

Now that the public knows what's possible, I think we will get there someday. I might not live to see it, but future generations will. But if you attempt only what you know you can achieve, you have compromised before you begin.

Bernie has changed the conversation, completely. Have you noticed these Republicans talking about poverty and wealth inequality? That's not by choice!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
14. Exactly. It's how we allocate tax dollars.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

If the politicians can get the people to not trust the government and not expect the government to ever do anything to help them, that allows for the wealthy and multinational corporations to Hoover up a larger and larger share of our tax dollars.

It's deliberate and purposeful. TPTB want corrupt politicians to continue to be elected to office so that the masses give up and never expect for the corrupt politicians to do anything to help them.

Bernie is the only current solution to beginning to end this corrupt system.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. President Sanders wants us to invest in people. As he has stated, neglecting them has lead to
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

precisely the outcome we have today.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
21. These are the genuine security issues: health, education, jobs, infrastructure
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

These impact most of us on a daily basis and have much more to do with our ongoing security than the funding and enormous waste in the other programs.

Excellent post!

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
22. K & R!!!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

"free" stuff is easily provided through intelligent asset management...as your figures clearly indicate...

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
23. As soon as he gets the nomination...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

...he needs to pivot his message to priorities and return on investment. Speak to Dems and Reps about how we're all getting screwed and have been denied nice things.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
27. It's not free, but the proposals from the Sanders campaign aren't accurately funded
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

He relies on incredibly optimistic growth numbers and savings to make the math look correct.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
28. The 'free stuff' meme is RW trash-talk, unbecoming for REAL Democrats to use
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

esp against each other.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
31. Bingo
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

Those that do are being useful idiots for republicans.

I wwasn't around then, but I'll bet the "free stuff" meme ( in so many words ) was used by those opposing FDR's New Deal.

DownriverDem

(6,232 posts)
33. Bernie will increase my taxes
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

My husband and I would have to pay over $2,000 more in taxes if Bernie could manage to get his legislation through the RWNJ repub House. Go to fivethirtyeight.com Then click on Primary Forecasts. The dropdown box allows you to pick whatever race you are interested in. Nate Silver is has an excellent reputation for predicting elections.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
39. "Free" is when oil companies and defense contractors which are insanely profitable get taxpayer
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

cash subsidies, and end up paying no taxes, and walk away with billions of taxpayer $ that they didn't earn.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
42. Dwight Eisenhower loved Bernie's democratic socialism , so do I . Just read what IKE stood for and
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

what he did for the country . Lies , lies and more lies from the evil right wing , F---k them .

brewens

(13,626 posts)
43. Our side should never use the word free. Universal health care, no tuition for college, that sort
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

of thing.

I'd like to see some research on just how much of our tax dollars go right to the top. I've been saying for some time, many of the 1% have to be way in the black on our tax dollars. A high ranking corporate office at a major defense contractor would be an easy one. Pretty much their entire salary and bonuses are courtesy of us taxpayers. But wealthy people invested in defense, oil and other industries that do a lot of business with state and federal governments probably come out ahead as well. It's why they can afford billions in lobbyist fees. It's now like the ruling class living off taxing the peasants in the middle ages.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
47. MUST ALL SEE...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:31 PM
Feb 2016

"Where To Invade Next", Michael Moore's new movie.

It's all about this tax issue, including how through paying private insurers etc. we actually are paying much much higher taxes than anyone else and getting little back for it.

Plus, it's about our racist prison system and how by never dealing with our true history, we are stuck in this endless cycle that's destroying democracy.
,
And much more.

The move is a profound experience.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
49. This framing drives me bonkers.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

The fucking military and big corporations suck us dry. All we want are sensible priorities for our tax money.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
53. Hey, I loves me some free stuff: public schools, roads, bridges, Coast Guard,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

all that stuff. I don't loves me some free wars and regime changes, though.

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
55. Why not have all Americans contribute to the cost of these programs?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:04 AM
Feb 2016

I love Bernies ideas for new programs, but why is the cost proposed to go almost entirely to the wealthy? Yes, they have money, but so do the rest of us (if maybe not as much).

Insisting that .1% of America exclusively pay for the benefits the rest of us will enjoy will just further entrench the us v. them mentality.

Besides, it's never good fiscal policy to have people insisting on new costs/expenditures that they themselves will never have to pay for. You're talking about 99.9% of America enjoying these benefits with no skin in the game.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
57. no one is insisting that; rather, it's that the. 1%, corps., etc. start paying taxes like
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:55 AM
Feb 2016

The rest of us, and get off the gov't subsidies gravy train. This article shows how the. 1% evades taxes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/business/economy/for-the-wealthiest-private-tax-system-saves-them-billions.html?_r=0

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
58. dem establishment has been exposed
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:02 AM
Feb 2016

they don't want to help anyone but top 1%

they went to right to attack bernie.what's next coming out for tax cuts.

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