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TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:32 PM Feb 2016

Will nominating Hillary hand the White House to the GOP?

I'm worried that if Hillary is the nominee she will lose in November. I know it's early, but all the polls have Consistently shown Hillary losing to most of the republican candidates in the general election. Another thing that concerns me is her negative favorability ratings. I just don't see how she's electable.

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Will nominating Hillary hand the White House to the GOP? (Original Post) TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 OP
Yes... TheProgressive Feb 2016 #1
Polls HillDawg Feb 2016 #2
I hope you're right, if she's the nominee. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #14
So what miracle will she perform... daleanime Feb 2016 #128
THIS Might Just Be The "Tonic" That Hillary Is Looking For... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #131
Yep... Ford F-150 Feb 2016 #3
Unless Cruz is the nominee.. she doesn't stand a chance. basselope Feb 2016 #4
Yes. peacebird Feb 2016 #5
on a silver platter. nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #6
Both are flawed TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #7
Bernie and Hillary are the same? daleanime Feb 2016 #130
Different flaws TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #137
Yes farleftlib Feb 2016 #8
the thought of a Socialist in the White House redstateblues Feb 2016 #18
That's not my experience farleftlib Feb 2016 #25
They've called Obama a socialist for 7 years now. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #36
Exactly. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #46
My gut agrees with you intrepidity Feb 2016 #9
In a lanslide libtodeath Feb 2016 #10
yes amborin Feb 2016 #97
In a manner of speaking. CentralMass Feb 2016 #11
Many will be "concerned" nt firebrand80 Feb 2016 #12
Hillary is our best chance to win redstateblues Feb 2016 #13
LOL. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #28
Those polls are worthless and should not be relied on Gothmog Feb 2016 #85
LOL, whatever. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #88
You will need something that is more realistic to show that Sanders is viable in the general Gothmog Feb 2016 #142
What Are They Going To Demonize Sanders For? Being Honest? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #133
These worthless polls do not help the claim that Sanders is electable Gothmog Feb 2016 #141
I agree, the GOP voters will love Hillary. nt Logical Feb 2016 #55
Good luck with that line of thinking. Beowulf Feb 2016 #61
The facts say otherwise: Lorien Feb 2016 #77
No. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #15
Yes. But the corporate masters don't care if a corporatist D or corporatist R is elected. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #16
true dat. kath Feb 2016 #41
Either one and the 1% are safe, which is all that matters. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #100
yep yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #17
YES! Check this out (TYT) Waiting For Everyman Feb 2016 #19
Yes. Punkingal Feb 2016 #20
Probably, but you never know. Broward Feb 2016 #21
Exactly nt dflprincess Feb 2016 #112
YES krawhitham Feb 2016 #22
Undoubtedly n/t whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #23
"Hillary will Lose the General" Thread #4 alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #24
Time to panic liberal N proud Feb 2016 #26
I will be if she's nominated. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #39
The polls say Hillary is a LOSER, especially against Trump. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #27
Yes. deathrind Feb 2016 #29
I'm still waiting for the FBI report... Purveyor Feb 2016 #30
They're waiting to see if she's the nominee. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #43
no. She has a better chance of winning than Bernie Lil Missy Feb 2016 #31
Why? TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #56
Simple - she has more national support than Bernie does. Lil Missy Feb 2016 #63
Oh hell NO she doesn't! Lorien Feb 2016 #73
Liberal Dems see her as disingenuous, and I get that. I don't know if they'll vote for her. YOHABLO Feb 2016 #87
It's not just "Liberal Dems"; heck, this bit of weirdness came all the way from Taiwan! Lorien Feb 2016 #122
I agree marions ghost Feb 2016 #99
No she doesn't. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #80
She's a disaster waiting to happen in the GE. hifiguy Feb 2016 #32
Yes. The young people will not vote for her. azmom Feb 2016 #33
Probably Rybak187 Feb 2016 #34
From everything I've read Nite Owl Feb 2016 #35
Yes, the head to head match up numbers are pretty bad Arazi Feb 2016 #37
It makes it more likely, in my opinion, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #38
Whoever wins the primary is the best chance to win the general Orangepeel Feb 2016 #40
Almost certainly. TransitJohn Feb 2016 #42
No doubt in my mind, especially in light of the GOP results in SC tularetom Feb 2016 #44
I think that you're right dana_b Feb 2016 #45
A Lot of Democrats Won't Vote for Another Clinton mckara Feb 2016 #47
My family won't vote for her. 840high Feb 2016 #62
Most likely. plus5mace Feb 2016 #48
I loved Carlin's take on it. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #50
Yes, you don't win with a 67% not honest and trustworthy rating jfern Feb 2016 #49
Nor all the other baggage ... which hasn't all been vetted by the GOP yet nt Jarqui Feb 2016 #57
YES SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #51
Absolutely (there were too many Yes) bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #52
yes NowSam Feb 2016 #53
It doesn't matter warrprayer Feb 2016 #54
I'm afraid you're right. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #58
I could not agree more... Ford F-150 Feb 2016 #59
Yes, the number one word associated with Clinton is liar onecaliberal Feb 2016 #60
The big money consider her to be a good as a Republican, they will be happy to have Todays_Illusion Feb 2016 #64
Exactly. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #65
Short answer? bvar22 Feb 2016 #66
There are many people who will not vote for Clinton, I am fairly certain that Clinton will not ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #67
Look on the bright side. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #69
there is no bright side to clinton as nominee Robbins Feb 2016 #81
Well, Bernie is still in this thing, so lets not let that happen. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #96
bernie can't win Robbins Feb 2016 #98
We have 47 states left, and a week until South Carolina. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #105
SC is lost cause Robbins Feb 2016 #108
A lot can happen in a week, and think of how far he's come with everything rigged against him. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #109
if bernie couldn't win neva he won't SC Robbins Feb 2016 #110
It is the number of delegates that matter. Right now Bernie is only down one pledged delegate. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #126
I dont know, Eko Feb 2016 #68
Struck a nerve? n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #71
Yeah, Eko Feb 2016 #76
I'll tell you what's stupid, believing Hillary is going to be able to win the general election, TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #92
Well well, Eko Feb 2016 #117
She's awful enough that the Taiwanese made one of those trippy videos about her: Lorien Feb 2016 #70
Disturbing. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #72
Wow. Just OMG, make this an OP please? Arazi Feb 2016 #104
Feel free to make it an OP Lorien Feb 2016 #121
Lol, I have one hide so I have slack. I'll do it in the am Arazi Feb 2016 #123
We're certainly a great source of entertainment for them! Lorien Feb 2016 #124
Guaranteed. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #74
Millenials juajen Feb 2016 #93
Try winning without them. Le Taz Hot Feb 2016 #120
No mcar Feb 2016 #75
No Depaysement Feb 2016 #78
IMO, yes, it will hand the Presidency to Trump. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #79
Absolutely NOT! Why would you say something like that> nt napi21 Feb 2016 #82
I hope you're right. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #86
It sounds to me Nonhlanhla Feb 2016 #83
True. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #90
I know democrats who won't vote for her and I'm not talking about people on the forums either but craigmatic Feb 2016 #84
The idea of a Trump presidency should be embarrassing enough to make people vote, TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #91
Not necessarily but she will have a harder time winning than Bernie would. totodeinhere Feb 2016 #89
Yes, Bernie is definitely still in this thing. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #95
Yes. rosesaylavee Feb 2016 #94
Yes it would. Absolutely. Ino Feb 2016 #101
I don't know. cheapdate Feb 2016 #102
I don't know Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #103
no asuhornets Feb 2016 #106
Yep. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #107
Only against Rubio. PeteSelman Feb 2016 #111
Rubio, interesting, I think he would have the toughest time. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #115
No LW1977 Feb 2016 #113
Yes because she is a liability Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #114
Not to mention that she has alienated at least half of the democratic base. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #116
Only if she wins the nomination, and it's not too late to stop that travesty. Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #118
Exactly, we have 47 states to go. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #119
Yes. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #125
Yes. daleanime Feb 2016 #127
Any dem will crush Trump Jon Ace Feb 2016 #129
If it's Hillary vs. Trump, the White House is handed to the entrenched big money interests. begin_within Feb 2016 #132
No. It will hand it to Trump. He's not the GOP. Kablooie Feb 2016 #134
Yeah, he has his own agenda, and I don't want to find out what it is. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #135
Yes. Republicans will cut off their trigger fingers to vote against her, & progressives would rather GoneFishin Feb 2016 #136
Yes, and it may be a good thing. hollowdweller Feb 2016 #138
Stop worrying workinclasszero Feb 2016 #139
I'm sure most of the people polled don't even know what a socialist is. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #140

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
128. So what miracle will she perform...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

to get people to support more war, more bad 'trade' deals, and, most importantly, a person they don't trust?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
131. THIS Might Just Be The "Tonic" That Hillary Is Looking For...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016


Her compulsion...
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TTUBatfan2008

(3,623 posts)
7. Both are flawed
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:34 PM
Feb 2016

I think the Republicans have some built-in advantages this year. Enthusiasm gap is definitely favoring the GOP so far based on primary voting.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
18. the thought of a Socialist in the White House
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

would have Republicans turning out in droves. I know a lot of Republicans - they don't like Hillary- Mention Bernie and they start screaming "Bernie Sanders is a Socialist". Much more passion about that.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
25. That's not my experience
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:44 PM
Feb 2016

It's a reflex with them to foam at the mouth when they hear that last name. With Bernie, they just shrug and say 'meh'.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
13. Hillary is our best chance to win
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie has a good message but he has so many things that make him unelectable. The Republicans would much rather face Bernie for a good reason.

Gothmog

(147,275 posts)
85. Those polls are worthless and should not be relied on
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:30 PM
Feb 2016

Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.


The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

Gothmog

(147,275 posts)
142. You will need something that is more realistic to show that Sanders is viable in the general
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:20 PM
Feb 2016

I keep asking this question but have yet to receive a good answer. How will Sanders compete in the general election where the Kochs will be spending $887 million, the RNC candidate may spend another billion dollars and Bloomberg (who will only run if Sanders is the nominee) will be spending another billion dollars.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
133. What Are They Going To Demonize Sanders For? Being Honest?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:24 AM
Feb 2016

As compared to THIS...

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Gothmog

(147,275 posts)
141. These worthless polls do not help the claim that Sanders is electable
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

If you really believe this, then open an Irish brokerage account and buy an option agreement based on Clinton losing the general election. You would get great odds http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-democratic-nomination The odds of Hillary Clinton being the nominee went up by several percentage points last night after the Nevada results

Beowulf

(761 posts)
61. Good luck with that line of thinking.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:41 PM
Feb 2016

You've got no data to support it. Just a lot of magical thinking.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Yes. But the corporate masters don't care if a corporatist D or corporatist R is elected.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016

DWS's orders are to make sure a liberal populist isn't elected, not to ensure a Democrat winning.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
19. YES! Check this out (TYT)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016


If the Democratic Party got behind Sanders instead of fighting him, we could not only elect him, we could have a Democratic Congress as well. But the Party doesn't want that, because then, they'd have no choice but to vote for their own party's reforms that they don't want to happen.

That's the problem in a nutshell. The current Dem Party is the billionaires' firewall.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
21. Probably, but you never know.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

One thing's for sure though. In a Hillary v. Repub matchup, TPTB win and most people lose.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
63. Simple - she has more national support than Bernie does.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:46 PM
Feb 2016

And frankly, I don't care why - I just care that we win the Presidency.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
73. Oh hell NO she doesn't!
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

Repus will turn out in droves to crush her, liberal deems will write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein, and Independents don't trust her. No candidate with a negative rating even half as high as hers is as ever won the Presidency. She's a disaster for the party!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/18/1487044/-Qunnipiac-National-Poll-Bernie-beats-all-Republicans-Hillary-loses-to-all

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
80. No she doesn't.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

Only among likely democratic primary voters, and she's losing that support day by day. If you don't want a republican in the White House, support Sanders.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
32. She's a disaster waiting to happen in the GE.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

A Hindenburg/Titanic type of disaster. Completely turns off the left/liberal base. Zero appeal to independents, and the Repig base will do everything short of coming out of graves to vote against her. She's worth somewhere between 1 and 3 million additional Repig votes nationwide. Well-earned, very Nixon-like ratings for honesty and trustworthiness.

She will lead the party off a cliff to a Goldwater-like stomping.

How ironic.

And that is assuming she isn't indicted before the election.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
35. From everything I've read
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 08:51 PM
Feb 2016

it seems that way. It's hard to overcome the not trustworthy thing. What she says now will change if she becomes President and most people know that.

Orangepeel

(13,935 posts)
40. Whoever wins the primary is the best chance to win the general
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

Whatever reason a Hillary/Bernie has that Hillary/Bernie would have a better chance at beating the republican doesn't hold water if she/he can't even beat the other.

The nominee might lose, but if so, I don't believe that it will be because we nominated the wrong person. If Hillary loses to Bernie, it means she was a lousy candidate. If Bernie loses to Hillary, it will mean that the enthusiasm that was supposed to propel his campaign wasn't enough.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
42. Almost certainly.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:01 PM
Feb 2016

She being the nominee will be the trifecta of bad. It'll depress Democratic turnout (especially among the young), turn away Independents, and energize the Republicans, greatly increasing their turnout. Her unfavorables alone right now should be cause for alarm, not to mention how bad the email shit will be in the Fall.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
44. No doubt in my mind, especially in light of the GOP results in SC
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:02 PM
Feb 2016

I've heard Trump blame the entire Iraq mess on Bush, I haven't heard Hillary Clinton do it, or Obama.

People are sick of all this mealy mouthed centrist bullshit, they want something different.

Bernie Sanders could offer it. Trump can offer it, whether we like him or not. Clinton is more of the same. Plus theres all that Clinton baggage.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
45. I think that you're right
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:06 PM
Feb 2016

she will lose to them if she is nominated. But for some reason, people are still voting for someone that they don't trust. Look at the polls in NV on trust. Maybe some people will just go along and vote for the name that they know without thinking about the issues. I don't get it.

With that being said, EVERYONE knows Trumps name.

plus5mace

(140 posts)
48. Most likely.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

If it makes you feel better remember life is absurd and meaningless. Everything man builds will eventually turn to dust, and all our efforts will eventually be in vain. So when President Trump puts Judge Judy on the Supreme Court, it is just the natural process of entropy. You can fight it, but you can't expect to win.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
54. It doesn't matter
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:26 PM
Feb 2016

That Bernie has a better chance against the GOP.
The party is going to make sure she gets the nomination.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
64. The big money consider her to be a good as a Republican, they will be happy to have
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:48 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary in the White House they don't care which party label she wears.


And that is why I support Bernie Sanders.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
67. There are many people who will not vote for Clinton, I am fairly certain that Clinton will not ...
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

win the GE if she is the nominee.





TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
69. Look on the bright side.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016

If we have a republican president, they will probably be in office for only one term. If Hillary wins, that's at least 8 years of a conservative in the White House.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
81. there is no bright side to clinton as nominee
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:27 PM
Feb 2016

she is sure loser In GE.once republicans have total control of government they will never lose it.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
98. bernie can't win
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:17 PM
Feb 2016

any state with a caucus instead of primary is lost cause.tonight proves it.

blacks are still voting heavily for her as nevada shows.them and senior citizens seem detmined to vote clinton no matter what.
SC is lost cause.so clinton will win 3 of first 4 states.MSM will scrub any details away from Iowa and nevada so they are wins no matter what.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
105. We have 47 states left, and a week until South Carolina.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016

He's been consistently climbing in the state and national poles. It would've been a tremendous help if he won Nevada, but it wasn't a landslide. Stay positive and don't help the corporate media control the narrative.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
108. SC is lost cause
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

best case sceniros is he loses by only 10%

like nevada black vote will break heavily for clinton.

soon clinton campagain and MSM will be able to say going into super tuesday she won 3 out of 4 states.noone will remember
contorvousy In Iowa and Nevada.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
126. It is the number of delegates that matter. Right now Bernie is only down one pledged delegate.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:14 AM
Feb 2016

He just needs to keep it close enough in delegate counts to hit the big states.

Eko

(7,586 posts)
68. I dont know,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:07 PM
Feb 2016

I left my crystal ball that could see into the future at work, Ill check it out for you when I get it back. Is this a real question? Its as stupid as asking the same thing about Sanders. Get a grip people.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
92. I'll tell you what's stupid, believing Hillary is going to be able to win the general election,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:52 PM
Feb 2016

without the youth or progressives showing up on election day.

Eko

(7,586 posts)
117. Well well,
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:20 AM
Feb 2016

I don't believe I ever said that though did I? Lets just stick to what we have said ok?

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
121. Feel free to make it an OP
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:00 AM
Feb 2016

I've had so many posts hidden lately (over truly minor things) that I'm keeping to FB for now.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
123. Lol, I have one hide so I have slack. I'll do it in the am
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:05 AM
Feb 2016

this late and it'll drop off.

In the morning though...



What shocks me is how clearly they see this election. They've blown through the bullshit and understand the corporate money/secret government bullshit.

If it's so apparent over there, it's just sickens me so many Americans can't see through the MSM propaganda and see it clearly here.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
74. Guaranteed.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:24 PM
Feb 2016

The millennials I've been talking to have almost to the person said they will NOT vote for Hillary.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
120. Try winning without them.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

And without the fucking retards. Her base are blind party loyalists and Wall Street. That's it. Not enough to win.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
83. It sounds to me
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

as if some Bernie supporters would LIKE Hillary to lose the GE.

She will only lose the GE if Bernie supporters don't vote for her. Just as Bernie would lose the GE if he were the nominee and Hillary supporters don't show up. We need each other, warts and all. In the end its us vs. the GOP.

In any case, it all depends on who they nominate. If it's Trump, which seems increasingly likely, Hilary will beat him. Given demographic shifts, he'd need about 42% of the Hispanic vote. He's very unlikely to get it.

If it's Rubio, it might be another story. But both Bernie and Hillary might have a harder time against him.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
90. True.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

I know a few Sanders supporters who refuse to vote for Hillary. They feel that Hillary will be more of the same, and they have nothing to lose. This wouldn't be a problem if we had a candidate who they knew would fight for the poor and working class, oh wait a minute, we do have one, Bernie Sanders.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
84. I know democrats who won't vote for her and I'm not talking about people on the forums either but
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
Feb 2016

on the bright side trump might just scare enough people into voting for Hillary.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
91. The idea of a Trump presidency should be embarrassing enough to make people vote,
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

but then again, they voted for Reagan twice, and W once.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
89. Not necessarily but she will have a harder time winning than Bernie would.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Feb 2016

She would benefit from the solid blue Electoral College wall. But the thing is, Hillary would not be good for this country. I am convinced of that. We need Bernie to win and that remains very possible.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
95. Yes, Bernie is definitely still in this thing.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:06 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary would probably squeak by, but we would be crushed down ticket.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
101. Yes it would. Absolutely.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:30 PM
Feb 2016

Depressed Dem turnout due to...
- lack of enthusiasm
- she's inevitable, why bother
- youth lose interest
- Bernie fans who stay home, write in, vote for third party, vote for Republican

Elevated Rep turnout due to...
- a Clinton
- Hillary

No votes from Independents

No votes from cross-over Republicans

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
103. I don't know
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

I've seen a lot of people who have said that they will not vote for her. I don't know if wounds would heal by November.

I just don't know.....

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
111. Only against Rubio.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

She'll beat Trump or Cruz.

Rubio is a little weasel putz but he'll win the general over Hillary because of generational politics. Cruz is young but he's such an asshole he can't win a general.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
115. Rubio, interesting, I think he would have the toughest time.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

When people see his record in the senate he's finished. I think he's in it for VP. I could be wrong, If you asked me six months ago I would have said Bush, Walker, or Paul would be the front-runners.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
114. Yes because she is a liability
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:59 PM
Feb 2016

She is probably the only candidate who is being investigated by the FBI. She has a barrel load of scandals and is a serial flip-flopper. She is not particularly liked world-wide. I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans try to get her to be the nominee so they can BBQ her.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
136. Yes. Republicans will cut off their trigger fingers to vote against her, & progressives would rather
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:41 AM
Feb 2016

eat a shit sandwich than vote for a dirty trickster.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
139. Stop worrying
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:42 AM
Feb 2016
In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates Least Appealing

by Justin McCarthy

Americans show most bias toward socialists (47%), atheists (58%)



http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

Looks like we escaped a sure defeat if Bernie was the nominee.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
140. I'm sure most of the people polled don't even know what a socialist is.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

Having Sanders in the GE will be a great opportunity to educate them.

That poll was conducted to continue the myth that America is a center-right country, I don't care how reliable Gallup is, I'm not buying it.

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