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[yourpaljoey]

1. you are funny

[Starry Messenger]

2. This is really appalling.

[bravenak]

5. He needs to denounce this

[Starry Messenger]

9. I hope he will.

Huerta is pretty much an icon not just to Latinos but to the labor movement. But what do I know?

[bravenak]

11. I posted a bernie needs to denounce this thread

We need to pressure him to say something

[Conch]

158. Why?

Does someone doing something because they are pressured to make them decent?

Doing something without pressure speaks to the type of person anyone is... waiting until there is an uproar to respond is a typical political move.

That said, I would need to see/hear audio/video to decide one way or the other. If it happened (as i have been lucky enough to have just returned from four days away from wifi!!!) I would have to know how many folks did it.

I could easily get a handful of friends to go to a rally and yell nonsense to cause trouble for the speaker. Proof requires a response... if you know it to be true them that is more than I do. Until i know it to be fact... it is hearsay to me.

[bravenak]

161. I deleted the other thread. Yr late

[sheshe2]

26. Sadly, I doubt he will.

[ellennelle]

160. actually, she is already walking it back

they were NOT chanting english only, but NEUTRAL!

why the intentional obfuscation?

totally unnecessary.

requires an apology, from huerta.

[bigtree]

3. omfg

...I witnessed. first hand. the disregard Sanders folks here showed for this great lady.

This is an absolute disgrace. You're not alone, Ms. Huerta.


Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.
— America Ferrera (@AmericaFerrera) February 20, 2016

I offered to translate & Bernie supporters chanted English only! We fought too long & hard to be silenced Si Se Puede! #ImwithHer #NVcaucus
— Dolores Huerta (@DoloresHuerta) February 20, 2016

[bravenak]

4. You SAW THIS!?

O
O
O
WTF?
This is terrible

[brooklynite]

25. Thanks for posting this...

...when I posted the twitter items, the response was "prove it".

[bravenak]

30. That 'prove it' shit is getting stale

[Peregrine Took]

77. I call B.S. on this HRC supporter. n/t

[bravenak]

81. Prove it.nt

[bobbobbins01]

115. Do tell. Especially since it has been disproven.

You have a great imagination. Maybe there was gunfire there too...and you had to run for cover instead of caucusing.

[bigtree]

126. I'll take Dolores Huerta's word

...and there's not a damn thing you can do about that.

[bobbobbins01]

130. Well you shouldn't have to take her at her word.

You said you saw it. So...yeah...you really got me tough guy.

[shawn703]

148. Did you also take GWB's word about WMD in Iraq like your candidate did?

There wasn't a damn thing we could do about that either.

[gwheezie]

151. How has it been disproven?

Are you basing that on the video?

[bobbobbins01]

154. The video and eye witness accounts.

Including Susan Sarandon, who was there. Her account matches several others. It didn't happen.

[mcar]

6. Very troubling

Bernie needs to denounce this immediately.

[bravenak]

29. He needs to do it immediately!

[tk2kewl]

7. thing is when a candidate employs a scumbag like Brock

no one's going to believe shit like this isn't a ratfuck

[Agschmid]

13. So she is lying?

[giftedgirl77]

34. The pretzel logic & mental gymansitics that occur here are

unbelievable.

[tk2kewl]

47. it takes willful blindness to not consider that it's a ratfuck

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511288699#post43

[giftedgirl77]

66. No, sometimes a duck is just a damn duck.

Not everything is a conspiracy or evil plot for gods sake.

[tk2kewl]

43. i don't know...

but it certainly wouldn't be hard to sens some dudes in Bernie Ts in there to do this for a few bucks.

Bernie's platform is damned clear on race and immigration. A real Bernie supporter is not likely to be so stupid as to not know his platform and the importance of the Latino vote in NV.

camp clinton has been pushing the Bernie Bro racist, misogynist crap from day one to try to put a dent in Bernie rather than advancing any sort of inspirational ideas.

i intend to vote based on the candidates ideas, not on what the internet tells me about their supporters

[Agschmid]

50. They booed Hillary at his rally in Nevada...

Was that also a "ratfuck"?

Doubtful.

[tk2kewl]

57. nope... they don't like her

neither do i.

but the reasons why i don't like her have nothing to do with her supporters and everything to do with her belligerent foreign policy, support for fracking, dog whistle campaign against obama, consideration of "constiutional" restrictions on abortion, weak support of a minimum wage hike, and ever changing positions on almost everything else.

boooo

[Agschmid]

63. Thanks for making my point.

#Boooo

Because why not.

[tk2kewl]

70. what point did i make for you?

that saying booo is bad? it's a way to show displeasure

i booed citibank when i marched passed it on my way to zuccotti park a couple of weeks ago too

booo to whoever is responsible for the "speak english" comment as well, ratfucker or otherwise

[tk2kewl]

93. looks like it was neither ratfuck nor "bernie bro"

but when hrc has brock on her team, people like me are going to expect ugliness from the campaign

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511289434

[Eric J in MN]

97. Dolores Huerta isn't lying, but she's mistaken.

On the stage, Dolores Huerta offered to translate.

Sitting a hundred feet away, a female voter shouted "Neutral" (the translator should be someone who hasn't publicly supported a candidate). Huerta couldn't tell what was shouted.

The moderator said that the caucus would be conducted in English-only. Huerta mistakenly assumed the woman a hundred feet away had shouted "English-only."

[nc4bo]

19. Exactly. Clinton people changed their tee shirts to look like the nurses union at caucus.

Why in the hell should ANYONE believe anything coming from Hillary's dirty campaign?

She has proven herself to be untrustworthy and so has her campaign. It was true in 2008 and is true in 2016.

[mcar]

67. ??

This is about alleged disgusting actions by BS supporters.

[tk2kewl]

72. are you that naive?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1289143

[mcar]

76. You linked to your own post

Is that supposed to prove that I am "naive."

[tk2kewl]

82. did you read it? i'm not going to answer the same question twice in the same thread

[tk2kewl]

95. here's a link to another one of my posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1289621

[Shandris]

8. I do hope the attached video is not the 'proof'.

Where is the video of this incident? I can see from the provided clip that there are more than sufficient numbers of people for this to be recorded.

Where is the video of the identified Bernie supporters shouting English Only?

[bigtree]

12. Dolores Huerta doesn't need a video to take her word

...for those of us who know and appreciate her legacy of service to her community and elsewhere.


But, you go with that.

[mcar]

68. I take her at her word

[Codeine]

16. I'll take Dolores Huerta's word.

There aren't many people who I would extend that much benefit of the doubt to, but she's one.

[AlbertCat]

157. Dolores Huerta is not infallible....

But we have people who can't wait for something to prove right wing memes about how Sanders and his supporters are just like the Tea Party

There's another post on this subject just positively gleeful over the outrage!

Quite frankly, the "neutral" explanation makes more sense. That's all I hear anyone calling out...twice (a chant?). I'd need more that Dolores Huerta's word in these circumstances.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

49. Here's the video somebody else provided.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511289127

I couldn't hear anyone saying 'English only', but my speakers suck so maybe it's there somewhere.

[Shandris]

60. Okay, that's the one I saw too.

I keep hearing a 'SSSSSS' that I think is 'Shhhhhh' (that or someone is trying to hiss her quiet, which...seems silly), and a few people speaking closer to the person holding the video, but the first description I saw said 'chanting'. There is NO chanting here, and I'm not about to give more than 3 seconds consideration to any accusation that ends up being about a couple of people, and I can do so without calling anyone a liar.

[William769]

10. Disgusting, but not unexpected.

[Agschmid]

14. What's disgusting is the accusation she is lying and made it all up.

Yet Twitter is used as a source all the time without question... But this time?

Nah it didn't happen.

Such spin.

[William769]

20. Agreed.

[frylock]

94. There's video evidence that it didn't happen.

Tell us at exactly which timemark people chant 'english only'

[Agschmid]

103. That's funny in another OP I heard the video was wiped.

Conspiracy theories everywhere.

[frylock]

104. Check it

[Agschmid]

107. Yes I've seen it.

Apparently not "wiped"...

[cui bono]

183. And not "English only" either, you 'forgot' to acknowledge that part. n/t

[BillZBubb]

58. Bullshit. Why is it not unexpected?

You Hillary fanatics are disgusting. There is nothing in Bernie's background or that of the vast majority of his supporters that would suggest they would back such a chant.

You've got David Friggin' Brock running dirty tricks for Hillary, yet not a peep about that. David Friggin' Brock.

[redstateblues]

182. Except maybe stealing data-

[cui bono]

184. Yup. Spreading misinformation to smear Sanders certainly is just that.

And making sites for the mere purpose of spewing hate towards people who choose a different candidate than you is that as well. Actually, it was unexpected since it's such a childish and vile thing to do.

.

[sunnystarr]

15. I don't buy it ...

There have been many dirty tricks by Hillary supporters today and I've just added this one to that list. It's what really turns me off about her. She's afraid of losing the Hispanic advantage and this is a way to turn it around.

http://usuncut.com/politics/the-nevada-caucus-is-a-complete-fiasco/

[bravenak]

21. .

[Starry Messenger]

28. Oh great.

You run with that. Huerta is like the Coretta Scott King of the labor and Latino community, but you do you.

[Agschmid]

31. So you are okay with Twitter as a source for those stories...

But not this one?

... Got it.

[mcar]

69. Well alrighty then

[speaktruthtopower]

17. Doesn't sound like something the progressive types would do.

[bravenak]

24. Thats what im sayin too

[LexVegas]

18. This is beyond disgusting. nt

[bravenak]

22. I am livid

[MohRokTah]

23. Despicable behavior. eom

[jfern]

27. Sounds like another made up anti Bernie story to me

When David Brock repeatedly makes up lies about your candidates, crap like this is false until proven true.

[bravenak]

33. Shameful!!!!!!

[jfern]

36. I'm glad you agree that David Brock is trash

[bravenak]

39. Yeah

[Agschmid]

38. ...

There are a whole lot of people who I had some respect for, who have lost it tonight.

The spin around this story is incredible.

It's not a huge deal, but calling the folks who tweeted it liars might make it one.

[jfern]

40. I'm saying false until proven true

Since it seems like we've had a lot of anti Bernie crap all over the entire media that turned out to be false before. David Brock knows how to fling his poo far and wide.

[Eric J in MN]

32. Bogus story. Video shows one woman shouting 'Neutral.' Nobody shouting 'English only.'

'Neutral' = Let's have a translator who hasn't publicly supported either candidate.

Video:
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/701195445637423106

[bravenak]

35. Oh? Bull

[Eric J in MN]

45. The caucus is on video. No video of people shouting "English only." NT

NT

[bravenak]

51. Why shout anything? Why no respect for brown civil rights LEGENDS?

No respecto.

[Eric J in MN]

59. Yes. One voter at that caucus wasn't respectful and should have been. NT

NT

[lumberjack_jeff]

61. ^^^^^ THIS - MUST READ. N/T

[mcar]

74. So we are supposed to believe Bernie supporters

But every HRC supporter is lying? OK.

[Eric J in MN]

99. Believe the video with nobody shouting "English only." NT

NT

[Peregrine Took]

80. This did not happen. Stop promoting this non-story. n/t

[ebayfool]

138. See for your self.

[Peregrine Took]

86. She is a HRC supporter.

https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/996165843773278

[Stargleamer]

37. It's curious that they would use a Hillary supporter as a translator

perhaps that's why they wanted her to speak in English?? I would think they would use a Spanish-speaking Bernie Supporter.

[bravenak]

44. Why does it matter who the translator supports? You think they cant translate uness they support

Bernie? If they lie he has other spanish speakers right there to say so. It was VERY disrespectful.

[Stargleamer]

65. Well then. . .

if there were other bilingual persons at that event like you indicate why wouldn't the Bernie campaign choose them? It only follows that you would trust your supporters more not to change (even if slightly) the gist of what Bernie was saying then you would a person who supports the opposing candidate. Also a supporter would more likely understand what Bernie was trying to convey rather than someone who supports the opposing candidate, having listened to Bernie on numerous prior occasions. If Huerta (and this is a big if) just jumped in and took it upon herself to translate, then she clearly overstepped her bounds since as you indicate there were numerous other bilingual persons there, probably some of them being Bernie supporters.

[bravenak]

71. Oh jesus

[rbrnmw]

41. that's fucking wrong

any of his supporters calling her a liar need to stop Dolores Huerta has no reason to lie

[bravenak]

46. There was no reason for them to yell anything

Rude

[lumberjack_jeff]

62. Sure there is. At a minimum, translators should be assured of their neutrality.

Which is what the only person who can be heard on the video is asking for.

[bravenak]

75. Oh please

I hope his supporters keep on questioning the integrity of civil rights legends

[lumberjack_jeff]

84. Here's what Huerta said... once video was shown of the incident.

“The fellow that was running the caucus said that the first person to come up to the stage could translate, so I went up. Nobody else did,” she said. “Then the Bernie people started yelling no, no, no. One of their people came up, and I suggested we both translate. But the moderator decided we would have no translation. So the Bernie people preferred we would have no translation just because I was going to do the translating. It’s ridiculous, because if I had said something that wasn’t accurate, I’m sure somebody would have corrected me.”

Do you intend to correct your OP? Huerta has backpedaled, so maybe you should too?

[bravenak]

88. My op is a direct verbatim posting of the article

I added nothing. Tell Vox to do whatever it is you want done

[lumberjack_jeff]

90. Catapult the propaganda. I get it.

[sheshe2]

42. Way to win

The Hispanic vote! Not!

[bravenak]

48. It will be in the spanish language news probably now. I'll go read it and see.

[sheshe2]

52. Thanks.

Just got home and am playing catch up.

[bravenak]

131. They are on it

Not playing well for Sanders

[sheshe2]

133. Good!

Awesome sig line as well brave.

[bravenak]

134. It's new! I got it for primaries!

If you ever need to give the blank stare come snatch it!

[frylock]

127. Let's hope that it is..

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[Jarqui]

53. Dolores Huerta lied about Sanders immigration record and

smeared him. She's lost all credibility and should not be trusted or believed. This could easily be another scam.

[jfern]

56. Exactly, why should we trust a liar?

There have seen so many lies from the Hillary campaign, that I don't believe a single word they say, unless it's proven to be true. Hillary has earned her 67% not honest and trustworthy rating.

[juxtaposed]

54. total bull crap. whats next

[ismnotwasm]

55. I am completly horrified.

This is terrible. I hope the many good Sanders supporters as well as the candidate himself will join us in rejecting these fools and their actions

[Agschmid]

64. Nope, not going to happen, but you knew that already.

[Todays_Illusion]

73. I don't believe that a Sanders supporter said that.

[bravenak]

85. Uh oh! Lets not get personal!!

[Karmadillo]

79. So many cellphones and yet no video of the alleged chant. Interesting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

180. Here you go, courtesy of latino rebels

https://www.facebook.com/LatinoRebels/posts/1106591792704703

Snopes has it too

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[KamaAina]

83. And we know they're Bernie supporters how, exactly?

I mean, it's not like KKKarl Rove or someone could have bought a bunch of Bernie T-shirts and given them to these creeps.

[Peregrine Took]

89. Absolutely. A total phony non story. n/t

[Jackilope]

87. I smell dirty tricks

Trump supporters I could see, but Bernie's message has always been "when we come together". Those who are Bernie supporters embrace this.

Definitely, if this happened, of course he should denounce it, but I would not put it past Clintons camp to put people up to this. It certainly isn't the first time they have used race to divide.

[Green Texan]

91. What a couple of people did does not represent all of Bernie's supporters

That type of behavior does not represent Bernie Sanders.

[Odin2005]

92. People there saying it never happened. People were demanding a politically neutral translator.

So Huerta was being less than truthful.

[AzDar]

96. ^THIS.

[Rose Siding]

98. Buzzfeed: 2 neutral sources unaffiliated with either campaign say it happened

LAS VEGAS — On Saturday, Bernie Sanders supporters chanted “English only!” at a longtime labor and Latina activist, two neutral sources unaffiliated with either campaign told BuzzFeed News.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sources-bernie-supporters-did-chant-english-only-at-latina-l?bftwnews&utm_term=.wjYgaOZVD#.lhayz0eP4

You might want to watch calling a revered labor leader a liar. Democrats really don't like that.

[Eric J in MN]

100. I believe video showing nobody shouting "English only." Not two anonymous people.

The moderator said the caucus would proceed in English only. The anonymous people may have been under the impression that was based on a woman shouting that, when she actually shouted "Neutral."

[Rose Siding]

102. Video's good when you can get it

https://twitter.com/hunterschwarz/status/701186886459523072

But I think I'll take Huerta's word on this. She has earned respect.

[frylock]

129. How about snopes?

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[Rose Siding]

146. Sorry, Sra Heurta has more cred with me

Do you think this will be the best way to appeal to minority voters?

[bravenak]

108. Creo que es la verdad

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

101. Bernie's really bad day just got worse. nt.

[bravenak]

106. Yep

[DesertRat]

105. k&r

[Matariki]

109. This turns out to be an untruth

a few people in the crowd were apparently yelling 'neutral' because it's against caucus rules for translators to be a supporter of any of the candidates.

Not that this will matter to any Clinton supporters.

[bravenak]

110. Im taking her at her word

[Matariki]

111. I'm believing my own ears after viewing the video.

[bravenak]

112. People should be more respectful to our civil rights heroes

[Matariki]

113. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say perhaps she misheard

There is proof Bravenak.

She should have known that the caucus rules call for a neutral translator.

[bravenak]

114. People should try to be culturally sensitive and not shout at old hispanic women

It looked bad and I will go read the spanish language news to see how it was taken

[Matariki]

116. That's a convenient thing to hang it on.

And it certainly doesn't give someone a licence to break caucus rules. Or stretch the truth.

[bravenak]

119. Keep thinking its not an issue

[Matariki]

122. It's proven to be a LIE

but keep beating this dead horse.

More bullshit from the Boomerang Factory.

[bravenak]

124. Call her a liar if you want too

[Matariki]

132. I have no idea what her motives are.

I don't care. She misheard or she's lying. One or the other. If she's lying, she's also stupid. EVERYONE has cell phones these days. Instant fact checking.

[Arazi]

139. Jesus, just like Capehart, doubling down in the face of irrefutable proof

Well, carry on with the destruction of your credibility

[bravenak]

142. Umm hmm

I think ill watch folks harass her on twitter.

[bobbobbins01]

120. Aww, who can we yell at then?

What if she were young and hispanic? Would it have been ok then? Maybe if she was old, but white? Maybe if she was just trolling like some other people?

[bravenak]

123. Umm hmm

[Arazi]

118. She lied. Here's video proof

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[Petrushka]

166. I was ready to post that link but you beat me to it!

[Odin2005]

125. Huerta is a liar.

[madfloridian]

117. Snopes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511290075

[bravenak]

121. Funny you trust snopes today

[Avalux]

128. It's disappointing that Dolores Huerta would lie like this for Hillary.

Say whatever you want, but this outrageous claim didn't happen and Dolores Huerta must retract it or risk damaging her own reputation.

[bravenak]

135. Keep calling her a liar

She's a living legend

[Avalux]

136. I don't care who or what she is. A lie is a lie. n/t

[bravenak]

137. Feel awesome now?

[Odin2005]

140. She's still a liar.

People were wanting a neutral translator, there was nobody shouting "English only".

[bravenak]

141. Feel better now? That you said it again?

[SidDithers]

143. I believe she knows what she heard...nt

Sid

[bravenak]

144. Me too.

[Matt_in_STL]

152. And now that she changed her story, who do you believe?

[bravenak]

153. Her

[Matt_in_STL]

155. Which version? Original or updated with video?

[bravenak]

156. Whichever

[silvershadow]

145. debunked. nt

[SusanLarson]

147. Snopes says false and has video showing them saying Neutral

Snopes False

www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

Watch the video, they are demanding a neutral translator be used.


https://www.facebook.com/juliorvarela/videos/10154599583908135/

[PonyUp]

149. I stand with Snopes. Credibility since 1995. nt

[Hiraeth]

150. DON'T STOP BELIEVING

[Fearless]

159. This is false. They were shouting "Neutral"

[Marr]

162. Looks like you were a little too eager to believe this. /nt

[bravenak]

164. I only report the news, I dont make it myself

[Marr]

167. Or rather, repeat the accusations (debunked or not).

Huerta has already walked her phony accusation back, but I notice downthread you're still saying she only 'might' have been 'mistaken'.

[bravenak]

168. I posted this before that

Right after it broke.

[Marr]

169. Yes, I know.

Too eager, as I said. And you're still sort of/kind of/wink wink promoting it, and suggesting that people who called out this incendiary lie are 'harassing her'.

C'mon, get serious.

[bravenak]

170. You know that kicking this thread keeps it alive and at the top, right?

[Marr]

171. Are you saying you'd prefer this thread disappear?

If so, I'll happily stop posting in it. I don't mean to keep the topic active if you want to just drop it.

[bravenak]

172. I could delete it

I am just busy elsewhere on another op I posted, having fun

[AlbertCat]

163. Dolores Huerta is mistaken.

No one chants and no one says "English Only" that I can hear. Someone yells "neutral" twice.

Y'know, all these hysterical cries of "wolf", that are easily debunked, makes it so no one believes anything like them. I mean, no wonder they wanted a neutral translator.

[bravenak]

165. Perhaps!!

[Logical]

174. Do you know what SNOPES is?

This story has been proven false!!!!!
http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[Electric Monk]

176. She has known for half an hour, yet she continues to kick this thread instead of delete it.

That speaks volumes about her character and why she posts on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1291277

[nadinbrzezinski]

178. Latino rebels is now running the video too

https://www.facebook.com/LatinoRebels/posts/1106591792704703

[Logical]

179. Thanks!! nt

[melman]

173. They don't care if it's real or debunked

only that it gets out there.

[Logical]

175. You need to self delete this! See this link.....

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[HassleCat]

177. I think you should stop now.

Some of the "Bernie Bros" have behaved badly, but this is incorrect. Huerta was mistaken.

[hay rick]

181. Some folks are more comfortable with the lie.

Character test- failed.