Yo Bernie supporters: stop accusing Dolores Huerta of taking bribes.

[geek tragedy]

1) it only hurts Bernie;

2) it shows you are almost unfathomably ignorant about perhaps the greatest progressive Latina activist in US history. You're only insulting yourself.

3). It's repulsive.

Note: Most Bernie supporters here are not engaging in that kind of filth and reject it. Those few obnoxious tools that do might as well be working for David Brock.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. Good people sometimes do bad things

I would like to know the truth.

Gandhi freely talked about the times he did not do things he was proud of.

It happens - did it here?

[geek tragedy]

4. No she did not take a bribe. End of discussion.

It's a putrid accusation being made by hate mongering ignoramuses.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

5. you should be in the Olympics - that was a huge jump

You might want to be just a little realistic - She is a Clinton supporter.

[UglyGreed]

189. After the post about Bernie bros

the other day which was deleted I don't know what to make of the this post......

[notadmblnd]

28. You made that up.

No one has said she took a bribe. People have said she has received Clinton Foundation money in the past. The only one calling it a bribe is you. And you are correct- it is vile to call it a bribe.

[geek tragedy]

30. She did not get money.

A charitable foundation with her name on it did.

[notadmblnd]

37. Which she pays herself from.

I'm certain she is not a stupid woman and knows which side of her bread the butter goes on.

[geek tragedy]

42. I feel sorry for you. Nt

[notadmblnd]

44. You need to feel sorry for yourself.

[geek tragedy]

137. Not a penny of that money went into her pocket. You LIED about her.

LIED.

See page 8.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/912/912145992/912145992_201112_990.pdf

[notadmblnd]

142. Line 15 page 1

I did not lie.

[geek tragedy]

144. You blatantly did lie. lied, lied, lied.

And now you are lying by claiming that the form shows Huerta paying herself. It does not show any such thing, line 15 of page 1 shows that the foundation has employees.

Page 8 explicitly states that Huerta receives "$0" in compensation from the foundation.

Black and white.

You owe her an apology. For lying about her.

[notadmblnd]

151. I don't care how many times you say it.

[geek tragedy]

153. You don't care about the truth, as you got busted in a blatant lie.

You claimed Huerta pays herself from her charity.

That is unambiguously false.

See page 8.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/912/912145992/912145992_201112_990.pdf

You are obligated to recant the claim.

[notadmblnd]

155. See line 15

There's no compensation listed for anyone, yet someone got paid as line 15 proves it. Call me a liar all you want. It will not make it true.

[geek tragedy]

160. People other than Dolores Huerta. Regular employees.

The form says she received no compensation from the foundation.

Which makes your claim false.

You are obligated to admit that what you said was not true.

[platitudipus]

180. A charitable foundation that seems to have disappeared.

After searching for the Dolores Huerta Foundation a web site shows up, but clicking on it says 'unable to look up'. What happened to that dang derned thing?

[geek tragedy]

181. their facebook page is up and active. it's being trolled by--well, you can guess who

you may be amazed to learn this, but sometimes websites go down.

[platitudipus]

184. Thanks, you're probably right, I was just curious. eom.

[Lucinda]

6. You want truth?

Watch the last video and read the article here:
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

[SoLeftIAmRight]

14. this does not answer anything

To many there she was just another Clinton supporter - not a saint or a god or just a fine lady - what people saw was a Clinton supporter - serving as an unbiased speaker

nothing evil - nothing personal - simple balance was asked for

The issue would have ended there if a terrible thing did not follow

She tweeted a lie and has now taken it back

[Lucinda]

16. The third video in the link has a lady saying Bernie is English only, more than once

we dont know if it became a chant because the video cuts out - but the words WERE said.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. They were said by a Hillary supporter who was angry.

That is a small piece of one of the original videos, cut on purpose.

The woman says "It's Delores Huerta...goodness!" because she is angry that Sanders supporters were calling for a neutral translator (Huerta is head-to-to decked in Hillary). She then says,"Bernie is English only."

[senz]

106. Thanks.

[treestar]

174. So they assumed she would mis-translate?

That's a pretty big leap.

As she said, there were a lot of people there who could have caught her doing that, so there was no reason to.

This is typical of BS side - everyone is corrupt and we must assume that a Hillary supporter would mis-translate. You've created a crazy world in your heads.

[JRLeft]

223. No it's the caucus rules.

The translator has to be neutral.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

19. The real questions are...

Why did she tweet and why was she speaking

When normal people are in this type situation they make a plan that at least tries to accommodate fairly .

A major Clinton supporter taking that role without consensuses was a stupid move.

[treestar]

172. She repeats it!

And the people at the mic are the only ones who are clear. That video is full of noise otherwise and does not establish that anything from the crowd was NOT said.

[treestar]

170. She did not lie

that video is of many people and not that clear. It could easily have missed things people said.

Only the people at the mic are really clear. And one says "Bernie is English Only."

[passiveporcupine]

140. Sorry but that was not the truth.

Everyone jumped the gun and wrote about it before the truth was even known. Huerta admitted that the one person who said "English Only" was not a Sander's supporter, but was the moderator of the caucus.

You and many others here are pushing falsehood. Don't believe everything you read on-line.

Edited to add, I cannot watch the videos you linked to because my browser does not support their players, so if there is something I have not yet seen that will change what Huerta herself said, I will be happy to stand corrected.

I will try to find a way to watch your videos some other way tomorrow.

[passiveporcupine]

219. So I finally got to watch that third vido on the Crooks and Liars link

Boy did they get it wrong.

In the second and third video, the woman speaking is the woman who shot the second and third videos, Della Garcia. She was with the culinary union and she wanted Huerta to translate for her group. She is the one who said "Bernie is English Only" repeatedly, and that may be what Huerta heard, and what inspired her tweet. Although I'm not sure she said it loud enough to be heard up on the stage.

But Garcia is a Hillary supporter, not a Bernie supporter. She was pissed that the Bernie supporters where saying NO NO NO to Huerta, a translator who might be partisan. They were also shouting Neutral...asking for a non-partisan translator.

So now I'm thinking it's possible Huerta did NOT lie...she was confused by what Garcia shouted. She knows it was not Bernie supporters now though, and she should correct her tweet and make sure the Hispanic people she tweeted to do not Blame Bernie for this.

[w4rma]

157. Even Snopes says she's lying.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[MohRokTah]

2. Too late

Sanders supporters are savaging her on social media.

Ann Richards said it best, "In politics, your enemies can hurt you but your friends can kill you!"

[workinclasszero]

171. Sanders supporters are savaging her on social media.

Sickening shit.

Bernie's campaign is gonna pay for it too.

How did savaging John Lewis work out for the bros?

[treestar]

175. I know, claiming she's lying or even taking bribes

the Dystopia they have created in their heads has become real to them!

Or is it projection - maybe they are the ones who would cheat if they could? They seem to assume that Dolores would do a purposefully wrong translation- just because she supports Hillary!

[passiveporcupine]

220. Maybe they would stop "savaging" her

if she came out with the truth and an apology.

See my post 219 to find out what really happened.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1298501

[Autumn]

3. That then would make Bernie supporters employees of Hillary's campaign since David Brock

works for Hillary's campaign. It is repulsive and confusing!

Note: Most Bernie supporters here are not engaging in that kind of filth and reject it. Those few obnoxious tools that do might as well be working for David Brock.

Sorry, that part just cracked me up

[bobbobbins01]

7. If she's dirty, she gets called out.

Holding our tongues out of some fear that was put in place by the Clinton campaign to divide by race is not going to work. They're all clearly lying, they can deal with the consequences.

[geek tragedy]

10. She is not dirty. Those smearing her are.

Quite honestly, I expect every person making the accusations to be outed as Trump-loving trolls.

[bobbobbins01]

15. Did she lie?

Yes she did. Dirty. Whether or not she took money to lie is besides the point. I should hope she got paid for it, otherwise she's a liar and a sucker too.

[geek tragedy]

17. Lol. Lots of nobody haters have said worse about her.

[AzDar]

22. Did. She. Lie?

[geek tragedy]

25. No. She conveyed her perception.

Hillary thanks you for your efforts to scare Latinos away from Bernie.

[AzDar]

29. If one's perception is incorrect, and is presented as fact ... that is a LIE. SHE LIED.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

[geek tragedy]

32. ok Joe Wilson nt

[AzDar]

35. YOU owe me an apology.

[senz]

45. That you would say such things says a lot about you.

[frylock]

33. Has she retracted her misperception?

[bobbobbins01]

40. Her perception was wrong and damaging.

And her twitter account still reflects that perception. That makes it a lie. If that scares Latinos away, so be it but I think people are smarter than that and know when they're being played. I hope one day you have more faith in the Latin community and their ability to smell bullshit.

[Duckhunter935]

205. tweets can be deleted

Interesting she did not do that

[JimDandy]

48. Example of Purposeful Racial Divisiveness and Intimidation.

For later reference.

[geek tragedy]

52. All you while people hating on Dolores Huerta are not fooling

anyone into thinking you're the victims of a Latina-led conspiracy.

[JimDandy]

59. EofPRD with projection. n/t

[bobbobbins01]

62. Its a Clinton campaign led conspiracy.

The Latina is just the means to the end.

[geek tragedy]

64. Paranoid nonsense. nt

[senz]

69. So you don't think the Clinton campaign is capable of it?

Have you been paying attention lately?

Are you a Bernie supporter?

Why am I finding it so hard to trust you?

[geek tragedy]

73. Given that you think Dolores Huerta is a grifting, bribe-taking

Satanic operative, I'm in good company.

[senz]

83. How dare you put such words in my mouth?

That's disgusting. Now I'm sure you're not a Bernie supporter.

[geek tragedy]

99. Lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511293322#post41

[senz]

112. Laughs on you, geek tragedy.

I asked what was wrong with taking a good look into the situation.

I did not call Huerta a "grifting, bribe-taking Satanic operative," as you so wildly accused me of doing.

[snort]

130. The Devil is in the details:

[geek tragedy]

131. You should report this important piece of evidence to the FBI.

Surely donations to charities must be illegal!

[snort]

135. That's weak.

If someone had helped me or mine to the tune of 100k, I would likely tend to look upon them with favor. I'm not accusing Dolores Huerta or the Clinton Foundation of illegal activity, I'm just posting the information that makes you think I am.

[geek tragedy]

136. Huerta endorsed Clinton in 2008. The donation

was in 2010.

Their relationship is a lot deeper than a single transaction.

[snort]

143. Listen, I think we're supposed to be on the same team here.

It would be ridiculous to suggest that the charitable donation in question is somehow illegal. Illegal is not the word of choice for this situation. Do I blame Huerta? No. Having a friendly with the Pres has got to be good for business, right? But that doesn't make what she did okay. It was in fact rather sleazy.

[geek tragedy]

145. Neither of us were around her when this went down.

Neither were any microphones (being at the far end of the auditorium doesn't count). It's possible she did hers something like that. It's possible she didn't hear it but thought she did. It's possible she got confused. Or lost her temper, or let her partisan bias cloud her perception.

People's minds play tricks on them. Microphones don't catch all sounds.

More importantly, having a public food fight with Dolores Huerta is about the dumbest thing possible for Sanders supporters to do.

Latino voters won't automatically vote for Clinton because Huerta asks them to. But if they perceive that she is under attack from angry, white Bernie supporters, they are going to rally around her--they sing songs about her for goodness sake.

[passiveporcupine]

154. I agree with you to a point.

But...whether or not she said this deliberately, knowing it was not the truth, or mistakenly because she thought she heard something, and then tweeted it out...that is not the problem.

The problem is that she now knows it's not the truth and she needs to retract it so the Hispanic community knows it did not happen that way, and hold it against Bernie or his supporters.

If, as mentioned above, a Hillary supporter actually said that and she thought it was coming from a Bernie supporter, that would explain her tweet. But now she knows it was wrong. She needs to fix this.

I will not go along with all the conspiracy stuff here, driven by hate. And I thank you for speaking up about that.

[geek tragedy]

156. I suspect things need to cool down.

On both sides.

This is not a woman who backs down from a fight.

[passiveporcupine]

158. I wish things would cool down

But too many people let their emotions take them places they should not go. And once they do I don't think there is any undoing it.

[bobbobbins01]

149. Don't assume you're on the same team.

The Clinton people got their jab in, it made Sanders people look bad, and now they just want everyone to shut up. Its only when these things are actually scrutinized that people might learn the truth. So there is an agenda being pushed here.

[bobbobbins01]

107. They're not a Bernie supporter.

There is a lot of duplicitous shit going down around here recently.

[senz]

114. Seriously duplicitous.

I will never, ever be able to trust that person again, no matter what happens.

[pinebox]

216. Geek

I don't know man, I don't think she took a bribe but she did lie that's for sure. Unless she is hard of hearing. This whole thing is a mess

[zappaman]

217. Look who's talking.

[geek tragedy]

218. I'm sure you've seen Rashomon.

The cellphone camera (at the other end of the auditorium) is one observer--it hears some things but not others. Dolores Huerta (who is turns 86 in a couple of months) is another observer. There's no perfect observer. It's very, very possible that she misperceived what was going on. It's also possible that she heard things that camera didn't pick up on (crowded room, etc).

Huerta is the person who put Clinton's name into nomination at the 2008 Democratic National Convention. She's always--and certainly one can disagree with her choice--been in Camp Clinton. The idea that the reason she's advocating for Clinton--or pushing back hard against what she perceived to be mistreatment--because of donation to her charitable foundation--is just beyond the pale.

People are so quick to demonize and disregard a person's entire life's work because of a single disagreement.

[bobbobbins01]

23. I don't understand why you're deflecting.

She lied. Period. There is no defense.

[snort]

113. The pdf link is readily available I won't bother posting it.

I can read. Top of pdf page #33. I see it. It's there. Not making that up. No smearing required on that one. No need to fabricate, it's prefabricated. A dead Parrot, nailed to a perch.

[geek tragedy]

139. Yes a 2010 donation to a charity.

Which is evidence of the fact that Clinton and Huerta have a history of working together on Huerta's causes. Which is not something Bernie supporters want to emphasize.

[passiveporcupine]

147. I don't think that is it at all.

I have no problem with her working with Clinton, or her receiving money from Clinton's foundation (for her cause)...what I do have a problem with is her tweet that said a Bernie Supporter tried to shout her down with "english only" when in fact that did not happen.

She needs to correct that and apologize.

[amborin]

196. what are the expendables on p. 18

[FourScore]

8. Please provide links to support this allegation.

Also if one supporter does something stupid, it doesn't mean the whole crowd is bad.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. It is all over this Forum... this forum I swore I was taking leave of a few hours ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1292908
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568

[Mike__M]

9. Yes. Everybody, please back off

The discrepancies in the accounts are now widely known. There were at least two video recordings; there were hundreds of witnesses in the room; we haven't heard from the moderator or the others on the stage: the truth will get out. Reread item 1 from this OP. Follow Bernie's lead.

[brush]

11. Now it's progressed from calling the revered Delores Huerta a liar to a bribe taker?

To Sanders supporters that are putting out these memes why don't you just say that you don't want Latino American votes because that's going to be the end result of these smears.

And in that large space at the caucus, that poorly miked video is not proof that someone in that throng of people didn't say "English only" which Huerta could've mistaken for a Sanders supporter, no matter what Susan Surandon said.

And as far as the tweet, do you really think 85-year-old Huerta does her own tweeting?

[frylock]

36. Saint Delores Huerta of the Perpetually Fauxtraged?

[brush]

46. SMH.

[frylock]

53. She lied.

Shake your head all you want.

[brush]

63. Here's the video with the "English only" statement.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video then retract your "liar" smear at you own leisure.

[ScreamingMeemie]

79. Again, no boots in either camp (yet). That was said by a Hillary supporter.

She is angry that they don't accept her statement,"It's Dolores Huerta!! Goodness!!" Her full video is on here somewhere, and you see her canoodling with other Hillary supporters, which is what people do. The statement/Tweet should never have been made.

[brush]

96. Just admit Huerta didn't lie.

She heard the phrase. Assumed it came from the Sanders camp.

[ScreamingMeemie]

104. I can't do that.

Sorry. I truly don't think she heard it. I think she heard the moderator say it, and it was wrong of him to say it. He should have called for someone neutral. She's walked it back now. I'm fine with that, although I wish she would delete her Tweet. I really wish EVERYONE involved would cut it out. I feel like both sides are using her, and that what is truly wrong.

[w4rma]

159. Snopes says she's lying.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[frylock]

201. Assumed it came from the Sanders camp, and then slandered Sanders supporters on twitter.

Fail. She has yet to retract that statement. She. Lied.

[brush]

90. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

[w4rma]

161. Snopes says she's lying.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[brush]

165. Well, what are YOU going to believe?

Snopes or your lyin' ears?

Here's a link to the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

[treestar]

182. The entry does not say "she's lying"

and they've put up a very poor, rather partisan post there. It argues that it didn't happen as best it can, but in no way proves she was "lying."

[frylock]

203. That was a Hillary supporter saying "English only"

Huerta has not retracted her original statement, nor has she issued an apology. Until that happens, I'm going to believe that she is lying.

[treestar]

179. No she did not.

That you insist on saying that about her is very telling.

No criticism of St. Bernie's campaign allowed. No matter what a person's past history, they can be called the most extreme epithet possible if they dare support a candidate other than St. Bernie.

[frylock]

204. She lied.

She claimed Bernie supports CHANTED English only. She lied.

[treestar]

208. No she did not

she heard that and no video can prove she did not - there were too many people in the room.

[frylock]

209. She heard it and nobody else did.

You go with that.

[treestar]

210. very possible

there were a lot of people in that room.

[frylock]

211. An honorable person would issue a statement of clarification and an apology..

for the misunderstanding. Link to that please?

[treestar]

212. no one has to respond to your bullying

[frylock]

214. Yeah, okay. Fuck this.

Bye.

[brush]

80. Here's the video with the "English only" phrase.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Scroll down to the third video.

[w4rma]

162. Snopes says she's lying.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

[frylock]

206. 1) That was a Hillary supporter. 2) She claimed there were CHANTS of 'english only'

3) She lied.

[treestar]

178. +1, that video only makes clear what people with the mic said

that crowd could have said anything and it wouldn't get picked up. The video was done from farther back. Anything said closer to the stage by someone in the crowd would not get picked up.

[workinclasszero]

12. Way to win friends and influence people

For BS guise?

Hillary is really gonna kick ass March 1st after this Bernie fan meltdown

[Matariki]

20. Dirty trick politics are repulsive.

I'm getting disgusted by them

[senz]

43. +1000 I am nauseated by the accusations and smears against Bernie & his supporters.

[jsmirman]

21. Got my first post hidden, I think ever

for pointing this out, although I've been away for a long time, so perhaps saying that you're not a democrat if you would denigrate Dolores Huerta like that is verboten.

But thank you for your post. It really is disgusting, and it's good to know we can all agree it is a very low accusation.

[snagglepuss]

24. You're making that up. More smears. I haven't seen anyone accuse her of taking a bribe.

[geek tragedy]

26. Plenty of it in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1293322

[joshcryer]

31. This thread has many more recs:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568

[geek tragedy]

49. See also post 34.

Hate makes people stupid.

[geek tragedy]

60. You yourself accused her of taking a bribe from Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292568#post7

Speaking of people who just make stuff up.

[jsmirman]

93. Incredible

and people are cavalierly throwing around the word "liar"

[frylock]

27. Nobody is hurting any candidates by posting on DU ffs. This argument is laughable.

Ask 10 people at work on Monday if they've heard of DU.

[ScreamingMeemie]

57. although creepily enough,

I did run into a DUet on Twitter tonight.

[brush]

194. You think this "Huerta is a liar and bribe taker" meme stays here on DU only?

Whaddya think this is, Las Vegas?

But seriously, this meme that Sanders supporters are calling Huerta a liar and bribe taker is all over the internet now, and thus the country, and thus the Latino community.

No, it's not what happens on DU stays on DU.

[frylock]

207. She lied.

Spread it far and wide that I said it.

[Fearless]

34. You forgot 4). It's true.

And 5). Hillary's supporters often project when confronted with the truth.

[frylock]

39. bird up

[geek tragedy]

47. not a single intelligent person thinks Dolores Huerta takes bribes.

Those who make that claim deserve profound contempt.

[Fearless]

74. Good luck with this strategy.

The Clinton foundation gave her foundation $100000. Now she race baited Bernie supporters. You do the math.

[geek tragedy]

75. Simple minds crave simple explanations.

[Fearless]

77. Ohh ad hominem attacks! The last bastion of the person who has no argument.

[jsmirman]

98. Well, you seem to seek easy certainty in an uncertain world

it's not an ad hominem attack to point out that something is a simplistic assessment.

[Fearless]

225. Agreed. It is however such an attack when

Devoid of actual facts one attacks the character of its originator.

[jsmirman]

231. He called it a simplistic assessment

and then suggested you might have a simple mind. At best, it's a hybrid.

[Fearless]

232. Calling someone simple minded is an ad hominem attack

It is a negative attack on one's character. It's very simple.

[geek tragedy]

141. No, a simple observation that your unhinged claims

of bribery are the result of the inability to comprehend that anyone would support Clinton in the absence of corruption.

Just like you don't know the difference between putting cash in someone's pocket vs donating to a fucking charity.

A charity from which, by the way, Dolores Huerta did not receive compensation.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/912/912145992/912145992_201112_990.pdf

You think you know everything. Exactly the opposite.

[Fearless]

224. That is false.

[geek tragedy]

226. what is 'false?' nt

[Fearless]

228. The post to which I responded.

That's how this thing generally works.

[senz]

58. 5) Thank you. I'd noticed that before, and it's strange but true.

It helps to remember it. This whole thing is so shocking and ugly. I can't believe these people.

Thank you again.

[Number23]

38. I've been particularly floored by the self-avowed Hispanics here who have RACED to throw this woman

overboard.

[bravenak]

163. Me too. Indeed.

[senz]

41. Snopes declared Huerta's defamatory tweets FALSE.

http://www.snopes.com/sanders-english-only-huerta/

Explain that.

[frylock]

54. She lied?

[senz]

67. That's not the only explanation.

She could have been hoodwinked or otherwise misled. I would imagine she's pretty old, and we know from the large sums of money that Hillary has given her that it would be easy for Hill's "representatives" to put one over on her. Manipulators.

[frylock]

70. Unless she retracts her original tweet, and corrects that, I'm just going to assume the worst.

This is the measure of one's character. Hiding behind age or past accomplishments is not acceptable.

[senz]

50. If Huerta is honorable, she will apologize for tweeting those lies.

[AzDar]

51. Oh, the rank hypocrisy: OP calls for DU'ers to stop 'attacking' ... calls me a name when

challenged. Who is the 'obnoxious tool' here, Chief?
Yeah, we KNOW...

[geek tragedy]

56. It is hard to convey just how stupid a person has to be to accuse

Dolores Huerta of taking bribes.

If I thought the people who made that accusation were representative of Bernie's supporters and Bernie himself, I would contribute and volunteer for Hillary.

But fortunately it's just a few kooks.

[AzDar]

61. I don't give a flying fuck WHAT or WHOM you support... You are a ridiculous hypocrite.

[geek tragedy]

65. At least I'm not the kind of idiot who would accuse Dolores Huerta

of taking a bribe.

[AzDar]

72. No. You are an entirely DIFFERENT kind of IDIOT.

[In_The_Wind]

82. Ahem. Name calling does not help to make your point.

[Juicy_Bellows]

87. Your results.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1294018

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Rather obvious personal attack

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[senz]

92. Thank goodness.

That other person is baiting everyone on the thread.

[Juicy_Bellows]

95. I've been trying to avoid the fray.

Reading religiously but no sense in a hide for my opinion. Let me just say there are some seriously... well shit, that puts me in the fray.

[geek tragedy]

146. For the record, not my alert.

I dish it out, I take it.

[Dem2]

164. It was an obvious personal attack

For the sake of argument, imagine if the alert was against a Hillary supporter? 7-0 to hide?

[senz]

89. ...

I like you. Please change one word in that.

[AzDar]

100. I appreciate that- the OP called me 'Joe Wilson' upthread. Given that, I felt I was quite restrained

[bobbobbins01]

66. Can you explain why it is stupid please?

I would like to understand how having the suspicion that a proven liar might have lied because they had something to gain from it is so crazy.

[geek tragedy]

68. Sure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta

[bobbobbins01]

78. Because she did good things?

Well then. That is iron clad logic. Never before has someone held in high esteem by the community turned out to be not so clean. That has seriously never happened before ever in the entire history of the entire world. Not once. I'm completely stumped to even come up with a single example of someone that was thought to be squeaky clean and fighting for a good cause selling out. It's not like a similar scenario didn't just play out last week or anything...that must not have happened.

[geek tragedy]

84. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Shrieking rants from hyper partisan cultists in the heat of a primary race based on wild conjecture and speculation is not evidence of anything other than the mentality of said cultists.

[bobbobbins01]

91. Said the person denying facts.

But you're correct, cult mentality tends to skew reality a bit. Like thinking people are telling the truth when there is clear video evidence to the contrary.

[840high]

81. But she did lie. Get over it.

[snot]

55. Yo Hillary supporters,

Huerta jumped to and publicized the worst possible interpretations. Has she walked it back yet?

[lovemydog]

71. Thank you for your comment here geek tragedy.

There are a number of Sanders supporters who I like and admire, and a number of Clinton supporters who I like and admire. I appreciate each and every one of them as individuals. I honestly still don't know who I'm voting for yet (my state primary isn't until June) but I truly don't want to burn bridges with any fine people. We're going to need a a strong coalition to win the general election, regardless of the democratic candidate.

Sanders and his campaign have brought enormously important emphasis on genuinely liberal economic policy to the forefront. I hope his strong and growing coalition becomes a major player in politics going forward, whether it be through the nomination and presidency or through congressional and local and state politics too. I truly hope many of the younger ones continue the quest toward a more balanced society that recognizes the value of working people and taking care of those who cannot work!

[Ken Burch]

76. Agreed. There was no bribe. But she is acting out of unworthy motives.

1) She apparently bears a grudge against Bernie for not backing the bad, hopelessly conservative immigration bill she first supported(a bill that would have created a class of slave labor guest workers who would never, at any later date, have been protected under U.S.. labor laws). This is more about her losing face on Capital Hill than anything else, in my view.

2) She was likely getting payback because Bernie carried the Latino vote in NV...she probably hated the fact that Bernie showed that he will fight harder for Latinos than HRC ever would, and was no doubt infuriated that her own community defied her on this.

[840high]

85. +10

[senz]

103. Thank you, Ken.

I used to admire Huerta and didn't know this information. She did good work for a long time but even good people can fall into bad ways. However, it is horrifying that she, for whatever reason, maligned Bernie supporters and certain people here tried to capitalize on it.

Hill supporters and those pretending to support Bernie want us to ignore the huge sums of money the Clintons have given Huerta. I think it is wrong to ignore the money factor in Clintonian politics.

If Huerta still truly cared about Latinos first and foremost, she would appreciate Bernie.

[geek tragedy]

221. Oh god. Really? "If Huerta still truly cared about Latinos first and foremost, she would appreciate

Bernie."

[Beowulf]

86. You are missing the point.

This isn't about Dolores Huerta. She is a hero to me. This is about the Clinton Foundation and how the Clinton's use it. We know the FBI is looking into connections between decisions Sec. Clinton made and donations made to the foundation. We know how the Clinton's network, how they do favors for other influential people and call in favors in return. The fact is, the Clinton Foundation made a $100,000 donation to the Huerta Foundation. That's right in the tax filing. This isn't anything like David Brock making shit up. The donation happened and I'd like the Clintons, not Dolores Huerta, to explain it.

I wouldn't call it a bribe, it is a donation. If I ran a foundation that served the community that her foundation serves, I certainly wouldn't turn down a $100,000 donation. A foundation can do a lot of good with that sum of money. But, if the donor then asks me for a favor, it's going to be very difficult to say no without seeming ungrateful.

We know that Hillary raised a lot of money for the DNC and some of this money was offered to state parties under certain conditions. Over 30 state parties accepted those conditions and the Clinton campaign is now able to decide which candidates will receive that money. Are they using the Foundation funds in similar ways? This goes to transparency, this goes to the role of money in the political process, this goes to how the Clinton's do business.

[eilen]

198. And it is exactly what the Bernie Sanders Campaign wishes to eliminate-the role of money in politics

And how it undermines democracy.

Frankly it's slimy.

And honestly, she is not the only one who is getting her hands dirty for the Clintons this election cycle.

(as if we all didn't see House of Cards.... we can see how it is done, it is not explicit--you are either on the bus or off of it).

[Live and Learn]

88. I won't call it a bribe but it doesn't make her appear neutral either.

Get big money out of politics and end the shenanigans.

[geek tragedy]

94. This was a donation from one charity to another.

So, it wasn't money in politics.

[Live and Learn]

97. Then get politicians out of the charity business.They need to be above the suspicion of impropriety.

[senz]

122. Hillary will never be above suspician of impropriety.

She's wandered down too many crooked paths.

[jillan]

101. It's on her tax return Geek. Page 34 the very top. Facts are pesky little things, aren't they?

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

[geek tragedy]

102. You mean the 2010 donation from one charity

to another charity?


You should call the FBI with this important evidence of corruption.

[senz]

105. It's the largest donation on the return.

Your protectiveness of your candidate is quite something.

[geek tragedy]

108. Have you reported this important evidence of

criminal wrongdoing to law enforcement?

Maybe Fox News would bite.

[senz]

109. Well you know it's good to see

how animated you become about anything that might detract from your special candidate, Hillary.

It's very, very clear now, geek tragedy.

But ... why don't you do her the honor of removing the Bernie avatar you've been using?

[geek tragedy]

110. Because I prefer Bernie. I am not objecting to attacks

on Clinton.

Unlike you, I understand that blindly lashing out in rage and peddling moronic conspiracy theories about Dolores Huerta is counterproductive.

[senz]

116. I don't believe you

and I will never believe anything you say in the future.

And you can keep your wild, teeth-gnashing hyperbole to yourself.

[geek tragedy]

118. Given your scurrilous smears against Dolores Huerta, I am in good

company.

[senz]

124. False accusations seem to be the hallmark of the Clinton supporter.

Take it somewhere else.

[geek tragedy]

125. This is my thread. I respectfully reject your demand that i leave nt

[bobbobbins01]

111. Because then the illusion of support while casting doubt would be ruined!

Nothing does more to undermine a candidate than one of their own supporters expressing made up concerns about them that just so happen to fit the opponents narrative.

[Dem2]

115. March in lockstep

or else.

[senz]

117. It is truly vile and disgusting.

Those who do it are the lowest. They lose all credibility.

[bobbobbins01]

123. Yup, notice the OP even starts with a Yo...

Which is a nice subtle jab at Bernie supporters. Its bro-speak and we're all just a bunch of misogynist, racist Bernie bros!

[senz]

132. Oh, that's right. I'm so unused to be called a "bro"

that these things go over my head. As a woman, I have found it rather creepy to be a target of the peculiar anti-male sexism they spew.

Hillary and her followers are desperate to cast anyone who notices of her character flaws as either sexist or racist. I don't think they've gotten around to homophobic, maybe that will be next week's meme.

It's a nasty game they're playing, and I hope it comes back to bite them.

[geek tragedy]

119. The Clinton people are delighted with your behavior.

Tickled.

[bobbobbins01]

126. You have a good read on what delights the Clinton people.

Why is that not surprising?

[geek tragedy]

129. Because I am smart enough to see that angry white Bernie Sanders supporters

are not going to help the cause with Latinos by attacking Dolores Huerta.

This is not a fight Bernie and his supporters can win. The only way to win it is to refuse to fight it.

If people are not smart enough to understand that, they need to get smarter.

[bobbobbins01]

133. Yup, you're so smart. You have everyone fooled.

If only all Bernie supporters were as clever as you purport to be.

Shut up and take it Bernie! It worked so well for John Kerry!

[geek tragedy]

150. Discretion is the greater part of valor.

If you and a bunch of seething angry white Bernie supporters think you can win over Latino voters by calling Huerta names and accusing her of corruption, you are not living on planet earth.

[Kalidurga]

120. Most Bernie supporters here are not engaging in that kind of filth and reject it.

Maybe you should stick to lecturing the few instead of making an OP about an issue with just a few.

[geek tragedy]

121. There are several OPs one with dozens of recs.

The impression being given was that this was what Bernie supporters believe.

[Kalidurga]

127. I think we are all smart enough to know what is going on here.

[geek tragedy]

128. I would submit, given the large number of people claiming Dolores Huerta is taking bribes,

that very many are not smart enough to see what is going on.

But, hey, if you think Bernie Sanders supporters should acquiesce to these vile smears by keeping silent, that's your right.

I am making sure people understand that it's clear that the paranoid, ignorant idiots are not representative of Sanders supporters.

[Kalidurga]

134. Yeah I see you

I wouldn't call getting money for a charity a bribe. But, one hand does wash the other. So, it is not surprising if she is working charitable causes with Hillary she is going to be a Hillary supporter.

But, that isn't really the issue. The issue is she heard something wrong and reported what she heard in the worst possible way. For that she needs to be called out. She needs to apologize. And everyone else needs to calm the fuck down.

[geek tragedy]

222. or maybe she's supporting Clinton because they go way back, or maybe

because Clinton is a woman, or maybe any number of reasons besides a piddling contribution.

She was the person who put Clinton's name into nomination at the 2008 DNC. Two years before that donation.

Anyhow, it appears--unfortunately--that most Bernie supporters here believe Dolores Huerta is trading political favors for money.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=12511292568&info=1#recs

Those of us who object to such charges are dissidents.

[Kalidurga]

230. Who freaking knows

My theory is she heard the moderator saying English only and misinterpreted what she heard flew off the handle tweeted or had someone tweet for her what she thought and regretted it afterwards.

I don't give a flip about where her money for her charity came from. But, I reserve the right to allow for other people to make whatever conclusions they come to in good faith. It looks skeevy to them and that is their right to have that opinion.

Calling people racist or whatever for drawing those conclusions is not a good faith move.

[passiveporcupine]

138. thank you

[PatrickforO]

148. Huerta received $100K from the Clinton Foundation in 2010. It wasn't a bribe,

but money definitely changed hands.

[geek tragedy]

152. Ms. Huerta did not receive a penny.

Her charitable foundation--from which she receives no compensation--did.

In 2010, after Huerta had endorsed Clinton in 2008.

You will note that Obama supporters were smart enough to avoid tangling with her.

[Waiting For Everyman]

166. Huerta (Foundation) got money from Clinton (Foundation) - how cozy!

And Huerta did an obvious bullshit smear for Hillary last night: Fact.

Saints don't do obvious bullshit smears, and putting on the foundation gloves doesn't sanitize what anyone can see it is.

And the pressuring to shut up calling that out... only makes it twice as corrupt.

[geek tragedy]

167. you are entitled to your ignorant and misinformed opinion, but that does not make it valid nt

[Waiting For Everyman]

173. Federal filings aren't opinion, neither is eye-witness video.

Page 33, top.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf

[geek tragedy]

177. yes, it is a fact that the Clinton Foundation made a donation to a charity run by a

revered civil rights, labor, and Latina activist.

It is also a fact that this activist did not personally receive a penny of that money.

it is also a fact that this donation was made in 2010.

Dolores Huerta put Clinton's name into nomination at the 2008 convention. Their relationship goes a lot deeper than a single transaction between charities.

People who know things and understand things recognize how stupid your conspiracy mongering is.

[Waiting For Everyman]

183. What's conspiracy? Fact is fact.

$100K received is $100K received; deed done is deed done.

How do you know what Huerta did with the money? Maybe she bought some influence of her own, for all you know.

[geek tragedy]

186. a single transaction in a decades-long relationship, being inflated by bitter partisans to imply

that support was purchased

and now you're engaging in malicious speculation that Huerta's charity itself is corrupt and a slush fund.

True Believers tend to be viciously intolerant personalities.

[Waiting For Everyman]

187. Malicious is what Huerta did last night, she owns that.

And I don't have to tolerate smears from a supposed icon with feet of clay.

If she didn't want it talked about, she shouldn't have done it. It's not up to me to hide it for her.

[geek tragedy]

188. feel free to dispute her version of events last night.

acting like her loyalty was bought by a donation in 2010 just makes you look stupid and uninformed.

[Waiting For Everyman]

190. Fortunately I'm more interested in substance than image.

There's the $100K received in the past, and there's the attempted hit-job last night, connecting the dots doesn't even need doing, it's there all on its own.

For someone who attempted to smear innocent Sanders supporters' credibility last night, to turn around this morning and whine that HER image has been smudged by THEM, just makes the Irony Fairy's head explode.

[geek tragedy]

192. there are many more dots than the two you're trying to connect

in order to support your character assassination.

it is your own simplistic mindset that causes you to ignore the other dots, and to imagine a causal relationship between the donation and her reaction to being shouted down by Bernie supporters (she did get shouted down, regardless of whether the catcalls were "English only" or some other words being hurled at her by angry white people)

[Waiting For Everyman]

195. Her character committed suicide. nt

[geek tragedy]

199. lol, according to no one but anonymous Internet haters nt

[treestar]

168. or lying.

She may well have heard what she did, or been mistaken, but she was not lying. It's like anyone who doesn't bow down before Bernie is evil, no matter what their life history.

[George II]

176. Good post, thank you. One of the positive things about Sanders that has attracted many.....

....of his supporters was his open-minded class. Sad that some of this stuff has to come from some of those supporters.

[riversedge]

185. Good advice. Starting a smear campaign against a Latino activist is stupid.

[SidDithers]

191. DU rec...nt

Sid

[mcar]

193. K&R

[LittleBlue]

197. She is a liar who lied and got caught, regardless of what she's done in the past

Shame she's tarnished her career by inventing claims of racism, but that's on her.

"But she's the greatest Latina activist evarrr!" And? She's still a liar. This is on her. Defending the indefensible just because activist makes you look bad.

[awoke_in_2003]

200. +1000

Common sense in GDP- who would of thought that possible?

[giftedgirl77]

202. Bernie Bros are an angry little group.

[BainsBane]

213. OMG

Bribes? Unfucking believable.

[SusanCalvin]

215. Yes, please. I totally agree. nt

[democrattotheend]

227. Where have Bernie supporters made such an accusation?

Many of us are upset that she tweeted something that turned out not to be true, but this is the first I am hearing anything about bribes.

[jpb33]

229. Give me a Break

Oh give me a break. this is America, where just about everyone has price. Especially those who we put on a pedestal. The King family sells Dr. King's likeness to anyone. Are they not now fighting over who controls Dr Kings likeness? Rev Jackson sold out long ago, all of our congressman, senators are sold out.

Everytime Americans put people up as icons it turns out these icons are all too human and all to greedy.

The only people I know of in public life who have not sold out is Bernie Sanders an President Carter.